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5/27/2015 8:15:09 AM EDT
i am interested in getting some real survival equipment. my focus for the past year has solely been guns and ammo.. I'm good there.





Now as i wise up a bit i am realizing (hopefully its not toooo late) that there is a lot more to it than just guns and ammo. i am here to ask..what is the most sensible thing i can now do to up my chances of long term survival in a worse case scenario. Buy MRE's?... um buy mre's? that is really all i have got right now... hints my post here.












 


 
5/27/2015 8:31:25 AM EDT
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get the lds manual it is a great way to start and has a lot of ideas and basic plan, as you found out it is not all guns and ammo.

http://thesurvivalmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/LDS-Preparedness-Manual.pdf

alex
5/27/2015 8:31:53 AM EDT
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I'm no expert, but food and water should be awfully high on your list.

Water: Do you have public water or well water? How much water do you have stored? Do you have a filter?
- You should have 1 gallon of water per person per day (minimum) for whatever timeframe is your goal.

Food: Start with storing 1 month of food (slowly.) Then up to 3 months, then 6 and up to whatever point is your goal.
- Store what you eat and eat what you store. Rotate, Rotate, Rotate!

After that, I would start looking at things like boots, gloves, a BOB (Bug Out Bag) or GHB (Get Home Bag) setup, tools, wood, fasteners (screws & nails), cordage and literature.
5/27/2015 8:40:02 AM EDT
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I'd make some decisions first... conditions and indicators of when to ::::  stay in place vs. temporary evacuation vs. bug out
protection from elements
first aid, trauma
weather alert radio, communication with family
emergency lighting
water.. on hand storage and filtering capabilities
food preparation... multi fuel cooking options...no fuel solar oven.. perishable food storage
electrical power options... 12v chargers, portable solar
comfort... battery fans

for long term food storage, I changed my thinking after watching the Wendy DeWitt video, and switched from vacuum sealing in pouches to vacuum sealing in canning jars... it is long, her recommended system is well thought out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOLuIApyNPc
5/27/2015 8:44:23 AM EDT
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I'm no expert, but food and water should be awfully high on your list.



Water: Do you have public water or well water? How much water do you have stored? Do you have a filter?

- You should have 1 gallon of water per person per day (minimum) for whatever timeframe is your goal.



Food: Start with storing 1 month of food (slowly.) Then up to 3 months, then 6 and up to whatever point is your goal.

- Store what you eat and eat what you store. Rotate, Rotate, Rotate!



After that, I would start looking at things like boots, gloves, a BOB (Bug Out Bag) or GHB (Get Home Bag) setup, tools, wood, fasteners (screws & nails), cordage and literature.
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hmmmmm that helps with my priorities. thanks you

 



i am asking because i have faced some power outages lately that have lasted up to three days. Its pretty unnerving to me when i flip the light switch and it doesn't come on. In my mind i know at this point in time eventually that light switch will start working again, but if one day that light never comes back on.. what do I do? currently i live in a large city because i attend a university. Hopefully in a couple years time ill be on a bit of my own land away from the hustle bustle of the city.. would you suggest anything different knowing i am currently living in a city and hopefully transitioning into a more rural area in the not to far away future?




 




god i hate the city.    
5/27/2015 8:46:55 AM EDT
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what is the most sensible thing i can now do to up my chances of long term survival in a worse case scenario.
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First of all, realize that most SHTF will NOT result in TEOTWAWKI. What are your most likely "survival" scenarios?

Job loss. You need to feed yourself and your family; start there.

Power/other utility loss. You will need to be able to heat/cool your home, cook  your food, etc. You will need to light your house. You will need to listen to the news. You will need to recharge your radio and cell phone. You will need to exercise basic hygeine, i.e. bathing, poo and pee disposal.

You've checked into the right forum; there is plenty of info about what you need to do and can do.

Have you stored any water? Even if you buy it, water at the store is, what, eighty cents a gallon? Less than a 16-oz bottle, actually! I GUARANTEE you will want and need water if you lose utilities.

You talk about 'worst case scenario.' ALL of the above needs will be present in the worst case. So start preparing for them right here.
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WAY down the list is civil unrest, to the point where your guns and ammo are needed. You hear of stuff on the TV every day, but you must realize that these are actually few and far between, and usually orchestrated. The last two (Baltimore and Ferguson) were artificially inflamed for political reasons; the people in both cities are blaming the news media for inflaming a situation that would have died down after a few hours.

5/27/2015 9:12:01 AM EDT
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First of all, realize that most SHTF will NOT result in TEOTWAWKI. What are your most likely "survival" scenarios?



Job loss. You need to feed yourself and your family; start there.



Power/other utility loss. You will need to be able to heat/cool your home, cook  your food, etc. You will need to light your house. You will need to listen to the news. You will need to recharge your radio and cell phone. You will need to exercise basic hygeine, i.e. bathing, poo and pee disposal.



You've checked into the right forum; there is plenty of info about what you need to do and can do.



Have you stored any water? Even if you buy it, water at the store is, what, eighty cents a gallon? Less than a 16-oz bottle, actually! I GUARANTEE you will want and need water if you lose utilities.



You talk about 'worst case scenario.' ALL of the above needs will be present in the worst case. So start preparing for them right here.

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WAY down the list is civil unrest, to the point where your guns and ammo are needed. You hear of stuff on the TV every day, but you must realize that these are actually few and far between, and usually orchestrated. The last two (Baltimore and Ferguson) were artificially inflamed for political reasons; the people in both cities are blaming the news media for inflaming a situation that would have died down after a few hours.
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what is the most sensible thing i can now do to up my chances of long term survival in a worse case scenario.




First of all, realize that most SHTF will NOT result in TEOTWAWKI. What are your most likely "survival" scenarios?



Job loss. You need to feed yourself and your family; start there.



Power/other utility loss. You will need to be able to heat/cool your home, cook  your food, etc. You will need to light your house. You will need to listen to the news. You will need to recharge your radio and cell phone. You will need to exercise basic hygeine, i.e. bathing, poo and pee disposal.



You've checked into the right forum; there is plenty of info about what you need to do and can do.



Have you stored any water? Even if you buy it, water at the store is, what, eighty cents a gallon? Less than a 16-oz bottle, actually! I GUARANTEE you will want and need water if you lose utilities.



You talk about 'worst case scenario.' ALL of the above needs will be present in the worst case. So start preparing for them right here.

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WAY down the list is civil unrest, to the point where your guns and ammo are needed. You hear of stuff on the TV every day, but you must realize that these are actually few and far between, and usually orchestrated. The last two (Baltimore and Ferguson) were artificially inflamed for political reasons; the people in both cities are blaming the news media for inflaming a situation that would have died down after a few hours.
Excellent advice and points. thank you. I've never even considered job loss. Power outage and utility loss is my biggest concern currently. Civil unrest is way down on my list, but in this time, i don't think it should be completely at the bottom.. maybe right before nuclear winter and slightly after a things to wipe my ass with shortage. hehe.  

 



so water/food storage, heat/light, first aid, toilet paper.  
5/27/2015 12:16:40 PM EDT
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You need to look at your situation and run risk assessment. Most likely multiplied by severity if it happens.



Here is an excerpt from my "book" I am writing (still in rough draft, un-edited or cleaned up):


Most survivalists,
preppers, etc., make judgements based on the Rule of 3's. The rules
are: 3 minutes without air, 3 hours without shelter (in extreme
environments), 3 days without water, 3 weeks without food. Those are
basically the limits of how long you have before you are dead. Now
keep in mind that that is how long before you die. While I may
physically survive for 3 minutes without air, I can tell you that I
can only hold my breath about 45 seconds, and much less if doing
anything physical. You may be alive at 3 days without water, but
after 24 hours you are a hurting unit, and brain damage starts at
about 48 (less if you are physically active or in a hot environment).
Yes, you can live for 3 weeks without food, but you will be very
miserable after day 1, and extremely weak within 3-4 days. Alive?
Yes, but not effective, not to mention miserable. Still, it is a good
way to look at priorities.



Best way to start
out in basic preparedness is to assess your situation. No two
households are exactly alike, no two situations are exactly alike,
and no two emergency plans are exactly alike. Some questions you may
want to ask yourself include: What is most likely to happen to cause
disruption? What is the closest hazard (nuclear plant, train tracks,
fertilizer plant, etc. Something that would cause significant
problems) to you. Are you rural, urban, or suburban? What level or
preparedness do you feel is appropriate? What is your financial
ability to start preparedness? What lifestyle do you want to live?
What is your work commute, and what if you cannot come home as normal
from work due to an emergency? Do you travel a lot? Do you move a
lot? Can you hide your preps, so visiting company does not see them?
Who depends on you? What do YOU depend on? Do you have electric heat,
natural gas, or city water that you are dependent on, for example?



Once you establish
a list of risks and dependencies, you can use a crude equation to
calculate what you should prepare for first. To score an event, you
take the event, multiply its likeliness of occurring to its severity
if it occurs, both on a 0-10 scale. This is called Risk Assessment.
This particular scale and the calculations are very crude, but is easy to
do.



Example 1:




Power outage (within the year);
Likeliness of 4 (on a 0-10 scale). Severity of 2. Score is 8.



HAZMAT spill at
train tracks ½ mile away, prompting evacuation; Likeliness of 2.
Severity of 10. Score is 20.



Even though a
power outage is twice as likely, the severity of a HAZMAT spill is
much more severe, thus you should FIRST have plan to deal with the
hazmat spill (which is usually to leave, or "bug out”).



Example 2:



Zombie Apocalypse;
Likeliness: 0.001. Severity of 10. Score is .01



Flu outbreak;
Likeliness of 6. Severity of 3. Score is 18



Even though a
Zombie Apocalypse is much more severe, it is far better to prepare
for a flu epidemic. These numbers are just generalizations and not
scientific, but you get the idea.



Remember in your
risk assessment the rules of 3. The first rule is 3 minutes without
air. In the event of that HAZMAT spill a half mile away, you need to
evacuate the area because toxic substance X is airborne. You can only
hold your breath for 3 minutes, less when stressed and being
physically active (like running for your life). If you lived ½ mile
from the tracks, you may want to consider NBC (Nuclear Biological
Chemical) full respirators for every member of the family, plus a few
spares. You still need to evacuate the area, but you are breathing
filtered air while you are getting out, possibly saving your life, or
cancer later.



Re-considering
example #1, what if you are completely dependent on electricity for
heat, water and keeping your livestock alive, and you live in an ice
storm prone area? Likelihood goes up to 6, as you KNOW you will be
without power at least for a weekend every winter. Since you don't
like freezing to death and your plumbing freezing up, the severity is
now a 7. That now scores at 42. If you live in, say, Florida, you
know a hurricane will take out power eventually and it may be years
off, but you have a hand pump shallow well in your yard, and don't
keep much for frozen/refrigerated food. No power is no big deal, just
no air conditioning. Likelihood of 3, severity of 2. Score is 6. Same
event, but different circumstances warrant a different preparation
response. All households are different, even in how they respond to the same situation.


I find you can
give yourself a more honest response by going down your list of
possible events, and only fill in the likelihood first. Then go back,
cover up your likelihood answers, and fill in the severity. Even do
this a couple days later. This just promotes more reality, instead of
manufacturing results by calculating the scores in your head.
Obviously, this should be done with your spouse as a team
questionnaire  







What is most likely to happen first? Usually, this is a personal SHTF: Financial; job loss, illness, something expensive breaks. All of those are usually fixed with money. This means have financial savings: at LEAST 3 months NORMAL expenses in CASH. Ideally, you should strive for an additional 6-12 months expenses in the bank in a separate savings account than your normal transaction account.







Then rule of 3s. Remember: food is actually last on the priority list.

5/27/2015 12:27:44 PM EDT
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5/27/2015 1:01:18 PM EDT
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You need to look at your situation and run risk assessment. Most likely multiplied by severity if it happens.



Here is an excerpt from my "book" I am writing (still in rough draft, un-edited or cleaned up):


Most survivalists,preppers, etc., make judgements based on the Rule of 3's. The rulesare: 3 minutes without air, 3 hours without shelter (in extremeenvironments), 3 days without water, 3 weeks without food. Those arebasically the limits of how long you have before you are dead. Nowkeep in mind that that is how long before you die. While I mayphysically survive for 3 minutes without air, I can tell you that Ican only hold my breath about 45 seconds, and much less if doinganything physical. You may be alive at 3 days without water, butafter 24 hours you are a hurting unit, and brain damage starts atabout 48 (less if you are physically active or in a hot environment).Yes, you can live for 3 weeks without food, but you will be verymiserable after day 1, and extremely weak within 3-4 days. Alive?Yes, but not effective, not to mention miserable. Still, it is a goodway to look at priorities.





Best way to startout in basic preparedness is to assess your situation. No twohouseholds are exactly alike, no two situations are exactly alike,and no two emergency plans are exactly alike. Some questions you maywant to ask yourself include: What is most likely to happen to causedisruption? What is the closest hazard (nuclear plant, train tracks,fertilizer plant, etc. Something that would cause significantproblems) to you. Are you rural, urban, or suburban? What level orpreparedness do you feel is appropriate? What is your financialability to start preparedness? What lifestyle do you want to live?What is your work commute, and what if you cannot come home as normalfrom work due to an emergency? Do you travel a lot? Do you move alot? Can you hide your preps, so visiting company does not see them?Who depends on you? What do YOU depend on? Do you have electric heat,natural gas, or city water that you are dependent on, for example?





Once you establisha list of risks and dependencies, you can use a crude equation tocalculate what you should prepare for first. To score an event, youtake the event, multiply its likeliness of occurring to its severityif it occurs, both on a 0-10 scale. This is called Risk Assessment.This particular scale and the calculations are very crude, but is easy todo.





Example 1:





Power outage (within the year);Likeliness of 4 (on a 0-10 scale). Severity of 2. Score is 8.





HAZMAT spill attrain tracks ½ mile away, prompting evacuation; Likeliness of 2.Severity of 10. Score is 20.





Even though apower outage is twice as likely, the severity of a HAZMAT spill ismuch more severe, thus you should FIRST have plan to deal with thehazmat spill (which is usually to leave, or "bug out”).





Example 2:





Zombie Apocalypse;Likeliness: 0.001. Severity of 10. Score is .01





Flu outbreak;Likeliness of 6. Severity of 3. Score is 18





Even though aZombie Apocalypse is much more severe, it is far better to preparefor a flu epidemic. These numbers are just generalizations and notscientific, but you get the idea.





Remember in yourrisk assessment the rules of 3. The first rule is 3 minutes withoutair. In the event of that HAZMAT spill a half mile away, you need toevacuate the area because toxic substance X is airborne. You can onlyhold your breath for 3 minutes, less when stressed and beingphysically active (like running for your life). If you lived ½ milefrom the tracks, you may want to consider NBC (Nuclear BiologicalChemical) full respirators for every member of the family, plus a fewspares. You still need to evacuate the area, but you are breathingfiltered air while you are getting out, possibly saving your life, orcancer later.





Re-consideringexample #1, what if you are completely dependent on electricity forheat, water and keeping your livestock alive, and you live in an icestorm prone area? Likelihood goes up to 6, as you KNOW you will bewithout power at least for a weekend every winter. Since you don'tlike freezing to death and your plumbing freezing up, the severity isnow a 7. That now scores at 42. If you live in, say, Florida, youknow a hurricane will take out power eventually and it may be yearsoff, but you have a hand pump shallow well in your yard, and don'tkeep much for frozen/refrigerated food. No power is no big deal, justno air conditioning. Likelihood of 3, severity of 2. Score is 6. Sameevent, but different circumstances warrant a different preparationresponse. All households are different, even in how they respond to the same situation.





I find you cangive yourself a more honest response by going down your list ofpossible events, and only fill in the likelihood first. Then go back,cover up your likelihood answers, and fill in the severity. Even dothis a couple days later. This just promotes more reality, instead ofmanufacturing results by calculating the scores in your head.Obviously, this should be done with your spouse as a teamquestionnaire  
What is most likely to happen first? Usually, this is a personal SHTF: Financial; job loss, illness, something expensive breaks. All of those are usually fixed with money. This means have financial savings: at LEAST 3 months NORMAL expenses in CASH. Ideally, you should strive for an additional 6-12 months expenses in the bank in a separate savings account than your normal transaction account.
Then rule of 3s. Remember: food is actually last on the priority list.





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wow thanks. once again bringing to light things i have never even considered.

 



greatly appreciated.
5/27/2015 3:44:57 PM EDT
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I am in the camp of store what you eat.  The first affordable step is not buying buckets of freeze dried.  I actually don't care for freeze dried food like MTN house or wise.

We keep our pantry full of whatever we use.  Same goes for the fridge and our chest freezer.  We only have a small chest freezer but it allows us to buy extra when its on sale then we have it when we want it for cheaper.  We also store up venison from hunting season.  Our freezer is usually filled to the top.

Much like Rat_Patrol we would use what's in our regular fridge and freezer first, then start to use things from our chest freezer depending on the situation.  If for some reason I don't think we can run the generator or don't want to waste gas to keep the freezer cool we can start processing some of our stored meats to make salted/ smoked jerky.

Then it would be our regular use things in the kitchen cupboards/ pantry that are always rotated.

After that it would be my spare buckets which contain regular rice, pasta sides, rice sides, and freeze dried.  That would be about the 2~3 month mark of NO resupply, and not counting garden, chickens, wild edibles, wild game, or anything else we could scrounge up.  If things are that bad and not getting better, Its really bad!  

The only problem about storing regular food you use is rotation.  I have actually backed my "extra" storage down a bit because we end up with so much it gets tough to rotate it through.  A few months is more then enough prep for me, might not be for you?  I am more worried about getting out of debt and paying things off.

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I started typing pretty much the same thing so I figured I would quote myself from this thread:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_17/681099_Best_way_for_a_food_storage_noob_to_start___.html

A few extra of what you already use is the best place to start...
5/27/2015 4:26:38 PM EDT
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Yes, typically water and food are the next preparations most people get into, however I can mention a couple things to consider.  

In any place that has cold winters, axillary heat is a big deal.  Something as simple as a Heater Buddy or kerosene tower can make the difference between having to bug out or not and potentially suffer home damage like frozen/broken water pipes.  Ice storms especially are unpredictable and very bad about taking out power over large areas.  

Don't be surprised once you accept this as a lifestyle, it extends to your financial planning.  Things like having six months living expenses put back for just in case and putting money into a retirement plan begin to make a lot more sense.  

Heck, even putting back food comes in awfully handy.  There's times you just don't want to have to run to the store and its really handy with some weather event coming and everyone's cousin is running to the store for the same things you will be.  That's why its a good idea on food storage to first look at short-term which is the foods you normally eat, just more of it.  Then look at long-term, things like freeze dried or MREs, etc. as a second priority.  

Welcome to the lifestyle which is what it is really.  Guns and ammunition are very common as our first step but after a while, its a way of life.

Tj
5/27/2015 5:18:46 PM EDT
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These guys will get you started right and say it better than I can. I'm just happy you are asking questions and want to head in the right direction.
5/27/2015 7:30:28 PM EDT
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Train your brain before you buy any junk.
Read books, take classes, network.
5/27/2015 9:06:45 PM EDT
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Start simple and expand to the level you deem prudent.

Some priorities to think about:
Shelter (clothes, temporary, and/or permanent structures)
Water
Food
Fire/heat
Cooking
Sanitation
Defense/security
Transportation
Financial

The basic (and government recommended) minimum is usually 72 hours.  Figure this as a storm, car breakdown away from help,  or utility interruption type event.  You will get help/get back home, but it may take a couple days for things to return to normal.  Usually a backpack or storage bin full of gear is plenty for this.  It really isn't that much. If the power went out for 3 days, or your car got stuck in a ditch and no noticed for 3 days, would you be prepared?  "Prepared" means different things to different people (or different things at different times).  There is "survival" level preparedness, where things may be very unusual or unpleasant, but you'll make it through alive. There are intermediate levels where things may be inconvenient, but are not close to life-threatening.  Then, there is the high-end where people really don't even have to change their routines much when disaster hits.  It is up to you to decide what level you want to be at.

After that, most people will expand to a week, then a month, and maybe more.  

There are several threads going for "BOBs" which are "bug out bags" and generally cover the 24-72hr type emergencies, although with skill (and extra weight/space) they could be extended substantially longer.  Most people planning extended preparations beyond that few day mark will include transportation or plan to stay at a fixed location.
5/27/2015 9:13:46 PM EDT
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welcome.... these guys will get you fixed right up.


I can say one thing, don't panic. The likelihood of some major emergency that you cant control is very low. Job loss or some major financial outlay is my major concern.  That's why I keep cash on hand, extra months food at home and a nice savings account.  These guys got me on the right track over the years.


It feels great to be able to feel great about "things happening".





One of our dearest members of this section, PA22-400 made a cool vid several years ago and I can never seem to find it.....  Perhaps he will post it soon.








Good Luck.


5/27/2015 9:19:22 PM EDT
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i really appreciate this guys. I'm taking notes.. on an actual note pad too.
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yeah that's important. You wont be able to get your notes if your PC wont turn on.
 

That's why I buy actual books when I buy survival/prepping materials.
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yeah that's important. You wont be able to get your notes if your PC wont turn on.

 
On that note, make sure you make an encrypted flash drive for your keychain with all your important info.

 
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On that note, make sure you make an encrypted flash drive for your keychain with all your important info.  


How to do that.

Use this copy of TC.
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_17/661411_Sandy____12_days_without_power__what_worked__what_didn_t____.html

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yeah that's important. You wont be able to get your notes if your PC wont turn on.

 
the false sense of security all these electronics create will be the downfall of many.

 





5/28/2015 1:48:13 AM EDT
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Water and Food

Water filters

Learn skills (gardening, medical info etc...)
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Pull my finger...Just cause I am in that kinda mood

Ok for reals no shit:

TJ has posted many many many times "prepare for the most likely first and the least likely last."

I had a big welcome post that was a start to understand what you may be getting into, I do not post it anymore, maybe should find a copy so I can start posting it again.
You can find it by googling "Welcome to the SF"

Oh and

Welcome to the SF

Camping gear, good water containers, and good ice chests have been some of the best items to have about.