Posted: 1/13/2013 2:23:20 AM EDT
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What might be some options for a "Scope" for my M4.
Ruggedness is very important. If I decided to run to the hills for a couple years, type of Scope. I was thinking an acog but i would need batteries for some versions and the tritium will wear out in other versions. It is very rugged. Any other thoughts? Thanks. |
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Primary Arms Compact 3x
Absolutely love this scope, fired hundreds of rounds through it so far and it is seen hunting detail, took the abuse and still going strong. Plus it has a light up reticle for low light. |
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Trijicons with the BAC fiber optic will still work far beyond any tritium inside. So, you may loose night capabilities in some cases, but will still work great 50 years down the line.
If you are thinking "Survival" I would say that bombproof is mandatory. If it can't take a beating then it will be useless when you really need to make a shot. It's not like you will want to have to go to the range and rezero your scope because the reticule shifted on your or the mount got shifted. |
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Quoted: The tritium in an ACOG will last 15-20 years. How long do you intend to be up in the mountains? Tritium will last forever It will be half as bright every ~12.32 years; so in 50 years it will be ~ 1/16 of what it used to be I would make sure I had buis, but an acog is a good choice to add capability
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I was thinking an acog but i would need batteries for some versions and the tritium will wear out in other versions. It is very rugged. . ACOG would give you maximum ruggeness, tritium that is good for at least 12 years. And a fiber optic tube that allows the sight to work day, and bright nights - forever. Honestly there isn't a better choice. |
For the price the Viper PST 1-4x24 is a really good variable power scope that I've used from 3yds to 600yds. It uses CR2032 batteries, which are common batteries for PC CMOS. I wish I could find a rifle with the same reticle (just plain MOA or Mil, not load-calibrated stadia).
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ACOG would give you maximum ruggeness, tritium that is good for at least 12 years. And a fiber optic tube that allows the sight to work day, and bright nights - forever. Honestly there isn't a better choice. +1 for the ACOG If you are intent on a red dot then look at the Aimpoint Comp M4, I love mine. 8 years of continuous use from a single AA battery! (Of course it doesn't have the magnification of the ACOG......that may or may not be an issue for you) BT |
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What people forget is that optics like the ACOG have etched reticles and will still work even if not illuminated.
Personally my primary weapon is wearing an Elcan Specter. 1-4 power, etched reticle, huge FOV and bulletproof. It costs a lot but I don't have a problem spending money on something that I sourced to potentially defend my family and I. 
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My first ACOG ever bought was a TA01NSN that I got "used" here on Arfcom back in '96-'97. I have no idea how old it really is, but it still glows! It's not as bright as it was when it was new (new to me  ), but it is still glowing enough that I could at least get that first shot with a dark adapted eye. That's damn good in my book.
My last ACOG bought was an M150. It has tritium and fiber optic. It'll still be useful after I'm dead, barring a VERY close thermonuclear strike. 
If I had to have one magnified optic to take to the proverbial desert island, it'd be an ACOG. |
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What might be some options for a "Scope" for my M4. Ruggedness is very important. If I decided to run to the hills for a couple years, type of Scope. I was thinking an acog but i would need batteries for some versions and the tritium will wear out in other versions. It is very rugged. Any other thoughts? Thanks. I have a TA01 that is 15 years old. The tritium reticle has dimmed, but is still plenty bright and useable. I expect to get 15 more years of use from it before I would need to get the reticle replaced. ACOGs are about the most rugged and dependable scope out there. No batteries, long reticle life, clear optics, well worth the money. |
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What people forget is that optics like the ACOG have etched reticles and will still work even if not illuminated. True - in the daytime when you can see the etching - much like the TA01. But pretty much all scops have that capablity What makes the ACOGs desirable is the illuminated reticule makes shooting in low light possible and the BAC feature makes taking snap shops so much quicker/easier. Hence the focus on the illuminated reticle. The OP doesn't seem to realize the BAC equipped ACOGs still have an illuminated reticle - even after the tritium lamp is no longer viable - as long as the big nuclear lamp in the sky is still working...
BTW - I REALLY like that bang stick. |
| Whats the budget? I have scopes on both ends of the spectrum. Burris MTAC and Swaro z6i BRT. The MTac is a good scope, but the Swaro is the best 1-6 on the market. There are plenty of options inbetween. If your talking ACOG you can bet a Leupold 1-6 or Vortex 1-6 for similar money. |
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If you're set on the ACOG (GREAT CHOICE) I would look at the different models. I have a TA31F on a 16" barrel. From my understanding, the TA31 series is optimized for 14.5-20" barrels with a 62gr M855 bullet at 3050 fps as far as the ranging stadia are concerned. Some other models are set for different loads and barrel lengths.
I can tell you from personal experience in the Army from shooting known distance from 100-500 yds in SDM school from both M16A4's (20") and M4's (14.5") with a TA31F that I had to aim at the waist of the target to hit center mass (chest) at 500yds with the M16A4 and the M4 was close enough that it didn't matter for combat shooting. Make sure you get one with a reticule that is within the range of what you're going to shoot, both barrel length and load. |
| i will second the spectre dr. only cons are, it will eat up the better part of $2000.00, and it uses an uncomon battery for the lit reticle. but it is tough as nails and very capable. it will cover from point blank to 4-500m without compromise or dicking around with flip mounts and the like. optical quality is superb. worth every penny it costs, to me. |
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If you're set on the ACOG (GREAT CHOICE) I would look at the different models. I have a TA31F on a 16" barrel. From my understanding, the TA31 series is optimized for 14.5-20" barrels with a 62gr M855 bullet at 3050 fps as far as the ranging stadia are concerned. Some other models are set for different loads and barrel lengths. I can tell you from personal experience in the Army from shooting known distance from 100-500 yds in SDM school from both M16A4's (20") and M4's (14.5") with a TA31F that I had to aim at the waist of the target to hit center mass (chest) at 500yds with the M16A4 and the M4 was close enough that it didn't matter for combat shooting. Make sure you get one with a reticule that is within the range of what you're going to shoot, both barrel length and load. I've had both the T01 and TA31, but didn't care for the short 1.5 inch eye relief. The compact acogs (3x30) were perfect for me, and lighter/smaller, which may be better for a survival gun. |
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I have a millett DMS its a 1-4x20. I had one on a Remmy 700 sps tactical, and loved it. So I asked santa to bring me one for my A.R. for christmas, and he did. I got the Scope with the SS mount from SWFA, for around 250. Although since I got it after christmas and dont have a surplus of .223 ammo, I am scared to go shoot. So I havent had alot of time with it in the A.R.
Both Of the scopes I have had have been VERY clear, especially for under 200 bucks. It take s a cr2023 battery I believe, and even when the illum is off, or battery is dead, the reticle is black and very useable. |
| I can't believe nobody here has mentioned Nightforce. Prolly the most rugged brand of scope out there. As for a ret dot I don't think you can beat Aimpoint for rugedness and battery life. As much as I love my Eotech and find it super fast for target aquisition, the Aimpoint I never have to worry about turning on and off. AR sits in my safe loaded with aimpoint on and flip covers open. That's my my 870 is my 2nd go to because it has a Eotech EXPS 3-0 on top. But for your survival up in the mountains role I think a Nightforce 1-4 is very very hard to beat. S&B short dot would be the best option but its price is silly. |
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Primary Arms Compact 3x Absolutely love this scope, fired hundreds of rounds through it so far and it is seen hunting detail, took the abuse and still going strong. Plus it has a light up reticle for low light. +1 Great scope for the money. |