[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Declared State of Emergency. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/5/2012 6:58:34 AM EDT
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For anyone who has never been through a declaration of state of emergency or seen the written order here is a copy of the one issued by my County (Cherokee County, NC – Town of Murphy) due to the tornado. We talk about post SHTF events and how the government and people will respond. The truth is that especially in most rural areas at least for a while there will be some limited government organization. I understand the need for the action to deter looting and such but look closely at the declarations. No sale of firearms or ammunition. You cannot carry them off your premise. I don’t want to sound paranoid but folks if the authority to establish “States of Emergency,” or “Martial Law,” does not specifically limit the actions it is not a far leap to imagine out right confiscation as was done in New Orleans post Katrina. Now we know that under DHS and FEMA, there are options to “Appropriate,” necessary supplies and reserves (Food, Fuel, Materials, and Medical supplies) this could be brought into play with the simple touch of pen to paper! How about the “conscription of able bodies for labor? Can anyone who claims to be a pepper and provide for their personal, family or group welfare, discount the possibility that their stockpile might be “appropriated,” for redistribution to the masses? This is one reason I strongly believe in “operational secrecy,” for your prepping actions. Why advertise your vast stockpiles of food, munitions and provisions. I’m reminded of the folks from the first Doomsday Peppers show that had an estimated 30 years supply of food for their group! Did they provide for their group or did they just increase the known reserves that the local/state or federal government may add to the common storehouse? In times of emergency or declared state of emergency or martial law, folks the seriousness of “bucking,” the system or defying governmental authority goes up astronomically! The protection of the Bill of Rights and others provided for in State and Federal documents goes out the window. What I’m trying to say here is, “GET REAL!” It’s OK to talk and imagine what if but see something like I did up close and personal, it can become ugly quick! Nothing like knowing that you can be arrested for going outside your house at 9:00 and get arrested and Heaven forbid that you’re worried about looters and carry your gun! Please stop and think about what I’ve described and plan accordingly! By the way, when you read the areas covered by this proclamation, the section of Candy Mountain Road is where my farm is located! Cherokee County, NC - Proclamation of a State of Emergency Section 1. Pursuant to Chapter 166A of the General Statutes and Article 36A Chapter 14 of the General Statutes, I have determined that a State of Emergency exists within Cherokee County, NC. Section 2. I, therefore, proclaim the existence of a State of Emergency within Cherokee County, NC. Section 3. I hereby order all county law enforcement officers and employees and all other emergency management personnel subject to my control to cooperate in the enforcement and implementation of the provisions of the county emergency ordinances which are set forth below. S Section 4. Curfew. Unless a member of the County's law enforcement agency or the emergency management program, every person who is located within: a) Peachtree Community incorporating Old U.S. 64 to the Cherokee-Clay County Line extending to new U.S. 64 to Hendrix Road and N.C. Hwy 141 from 64 Alt. to Rolling Hill Road b) Wehutty Road from Prince Road to Candy Mountain Road c) Candy Mountain Road from Shoal Creek Road to Liberty Road d) Texana from Joe Brown Highway to Joe Brown Highway This does not include travel to and from medical or emergency facilities. Members of these communities are to be inside a house dwelling from the hours of 6:30 pm to 7:00 am. These areas are without power and may pose a dangerous environment to homeowners, travelers and community members. Section 5. No Alcoholic Beverages. There shall be no sale, consumption, transportation, or possession of alcoholic beverages during the State of Emergency within Cherokee County, NC, except possession or consumption is allowed on a person's own premises. Section 6. No firearms, ammunition, or explosives. During the State of Emergency, there shall be no sale or purchase of any type of firearm or ammunition, or any possession of such items along with any type of explosive off owner's own premises. Section 7. Execution of Emergency Plan. All civilians and emergency management personnel are ordered to comply with the emergency reaction plan. Section 8. This proclamation shall become effective immediately. Proclaimed this the 03 day of March 2012 at 12:47 (p.m.) Signed (Lorraine M. Meltz) Chairman Board of Commissioners |
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Section 6. No firearms, ammunition, or explosives. During the State of Emergency, there shall be no sale or purchase of any type of firearm or ammunition, or any possession of such items along with any type of explosive off owner's own premises. So if you have a CHL it is not valid during the state of emergency??
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Quoted: Section 6. No firearms, ammunition, or explosives. During the State of Emergency, there shall be no sale or purchase of any type of firearm or ammunition, or any possession of such items along with any type of explosive off owner's own premises. So if you have a CHL it is not valid during the state of emergency??What do you think? |
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Section 6. No firearms, ammunition, or explosives. During the State of Emergency, there shall be no sale or purchase of any type of firearm or ammunition, or any possession of such items along with any type of explosive off owner's own premises. So if you have a CHL it is not valid during the state of emergency??Section 6. No firearms, ammunition, or explosives. During the State of Emergency, there shall be no sale or purchase of any type of firearm or ammunition, or any possession of such items along with any type of explosive off owner's own premises. Of course some one with authority has to be there to enforce said Law. |
did this guy come with his own brownshirts of did the city council by them for him
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I'm sorry to hear about all the trouble, Murphy is my home town. I know that in the last few decades, a bunch of doggone Yankees have moved in and ruined our city/county. But I don't think that Sheriff Lovin (I think he is still the sheriff) is going to be knocking your door down to take your guns. I'ld call and see if concealed carry is OK, I bet you that it is. My aunts are telling me that Texana has been hit hard. Waynes Feed Store and Save a Lot are really messed up. I guess Wal-Mart is not as hard hit as originally thought. My prayers are with you and God's part of the world! I hope that Brasstown did not get hit. I have a bunch of family there. Amos1909 |
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Section 6. No firearms, ammunition, or explosives. During the State of Emergency, there shall be no sale or purchase of any type of firearm or ammunition, or any possession of such items along with any type of explosive off owner's own premises.
Interesting. I believe the Supreme Court ruled on this following the Katrina confiscations. Also does NC have State preemption? I don't think a County can countermand a State law. |
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Section 6. No firearms, ammunition, or explosives. During the State of Emergency, there shall be no sale or purchase of any type of firearm or ammunition, or any possession of such items along with any type of explosive off owner's own premises.
Interesting. I believe the Supreme Court ruled on this following the Katrina confiscations. Also does NC have State preemption? I don't think a County can countermand a State law. I believe you are correct. With that being said. If the the local LEO's put in their State of Emergency memo that you cannot carry a firearm outside of your premises and you are caught.Teling the local deputy as you are being stuffed into a squad that the Supreme Court ruled that legal permit owners can carry their firearms unimpeded does you little good. What you have done now is gotten yourself arrested and left your home and family unprotected. After the State of Emergency is lifted you will probably win a lawsuit...years later. |
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Section 6. No firearms, ammunition, or explosives. During the State of Emergency, there shall be no sale or purchase of any type of firearm or ammunition, or any possession of such items along with any type of explosive off owner's own premises.
Interesting. I believe the Supreme Court ruled on this following the Katrina confiscations. Also does NC have State preemption? I don't think a County can countermand a State law. whats listed in the OP is just a carbon copy of the states "state of emergency plan" with the county name added. it has been that way for as long as i can remember. the counties usually adopt the states policy so there is no "problems" legally down the road. |
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Section 6. No firearms, ammunition, or explosives. During the State of Emergency, there shall be no sale or purchase of any type of firearm or ammunition, or any possession of such items along with any type of explosive off owner's own premises.
Interesting. I believe the Supreme Court ruled on this following the Katrina confiscations. Also does NC have State preemption? I don't think a County can countermand a State law. This is where I'd take the trade off in neutered ballistics of a 7.5" 556 in exchange for concealability. I'd love to see pictures of someone letting a 7.5" hang against their chest with a single point sling just to see where abouts the muzzle falls. Maybe this would be a great reason for a SBR'd Draco with a folding stock 
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Section 6. No firearms, ammunition, or explosives. During the State of Emergency, there shall be no sale or purchase of any type of firearm or ammunition, or any possession of such items along with any type of explosive off owner's own premises.
Interesting. I believe the Supreme Court ruled on this following the Katrina confiscations. Also does NC have State preemption? I don't think a County can countermand a State law. I believe you are correct. With that being said. If the the local LEO's put in their State of Emergency memo that you cannot carry a firearm outside of your premises and you are caught.Teling the local deputy as you are being stuffed into a squad that the Supreme Court ruled that legal permit owners can carry their firearms unimpeded does you little good. What you have done now is gotten yourself arrested and left your home and family unprotected. After the State of Emergency is lifted you will probably win a lawsuit...years later. I would hope with the precedence established, and what appears to be the County over stepping its authority vis-a-vis the State, that someone would bring a suit while the event was ocurring. At least get a temporary injunction. |
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My prayers go out to the folks in Murphy. In Texas, the county commish files a sect. 218 declaration that is usually pretty broad in it's scope. After Katrina and Rita, our state legislature made gun confiscation, ala Katrina, illegal. Remember, just because something is illegal doesn't mean it won't happen. 112 |
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So you can Manufacture all the firearms, alcohol, and explosives you want. NFA laws have been superseded, and BATFE is a memory for the time being. Why heck why your at it you might as well succeed from the county and start your own, heck maybe even your own country. There is a word for it...FREEDOM...enjoy. NOTE: The Above is not legal advise. If you do anything so stupid as to think I was serious it is at your OWN FREAKING RISK!!! |
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Can I ask how you got a copy of the order? I mean, is it in the paper's? Internet? It might be a good idea to have a copy with you if you ventured outside your property. No end date? That's really interesting ... No it would be a very bad idea. Ignorance of the law can be an effective defense when the law may be unknown to the general public. I've never heard of an innocent homeowner getting put in jail during a mandatory curfuw. Usually it's sufficient that 90% of the people obey, and the police can concentrate their attention on the other 10%, and that civil protections of the ones that are out are diminished. (Ie you may be comming back from checkign on your parrents. When pulled over, the pollice can pretty much search your car without permission (since you were using the car to violate curfew and/or so they can inventory it prior to seizure), and while you have the right to remain silent, everybody is going to be telling their story of why they had a reason to be out. With a decent story and an empty trunk, you will be on your way in minutes, while the police have acheved their goal of stopping the movement of looters. Having a copy of the rules in your car means you clear knew you were doing something illegal, and may be viewed by LE as a challange to their authority. And in an emergency LE is sleep deprivied and worried about their own familys back home. Much easier to say I was late leaving my mothers and wasn't sure when the curfew started or that it affected this area, vs saying that I am aware of the law and chose to ignore it. The odds of ending up in court are small, but you don't want to be the ***hole who clearly broke the law that causes the DA to think this would make LE' job easier next time if this guy spent a few days picking up trash. You do not want to be arrested during a disaster. |
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What the heck does everyone expect when a SOE is declared???? Why are you surprised? Remember who is in CONTROL! That you and your 'peers' ELECTED! 
Contrary to what you may believe, or what has been practiced in the past, limiting one's rights using the excuse of an "emergency" is never acceptable, nor constitutional. “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” Guess what, my need to protect me and mine outweighs your "need" to enforce frivolous and asinine declarations. Especially when an order like this contradicts state law. |
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What the heck does everyone expect when a SOE is declared???? Why are you surprised? Remember who is in CONTROL! That you and your 'peers' ELECTED!
Contrary to what you may believe, or what has been practiced in the past, limiting one's rights using the excuse of an "emergency" is never acceptable, nor constitutional. “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” That's right! Slave... Now be quiet and get back to work -for the common good. 
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What the heck does everyone expect when a SOE is declared???? Why are you surprised? I'm thinking most people have not experienced a legitimate State of Emergency being declared. The thought of the restrictions such as the curfew seem more like totalitarianism then the govt helping them to clean up and/or rebuild. Depending on the AO and event, restrictions on curfew, weapons and alcohol are just a few one might have to face, and far from being the worst out there. Having no prior knowledge of this could appear rather scary to the mis or uniformed. For the GD dwellers it somewhat interferes with the internet wet dream of wearing all the HSLD operator gear they have been buying for said Mad Max fantasy. |
| I think its time you elected new county commissioners and then have the new ones rewrite the county emergency orders bringing them inline with the Constitution. While waiting for an election, time permitting given the circumstances, call for the removal of the current commission. I am sorry you folks are going thur all this and I wish I could help. |
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I think its time you elected new county commissioners and then have the new ones rewrite the county emergency orders bringing them inline with the Constitution. While waiting for an election, time permitting given the circumstances, call for the removal of the current commission. I am sorry you folks are going thur all this and I wish I could help. the county has nothing to do with it. it is NC state law that the county has also adopted. electing new county people wont change a thing. |
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Contrary to what you may believe, or what has been practiced in the past, limiting one's rights using the excuse of an "emergency" is never acceptable, nor constitutional. “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” Guess what, my need to protect me and mine outweighs your "need" to enforce frivolous and asinine declarations. Especially when an order like this contradicts state law. So you think it's unacceptable to shut down a public highway to protect first responders working an accident? To establish a no fly zone over a disaster area (this is usually directed at news helicopters)? To fail to provide prisoners air conditioning, because portable generators are needed at hospitals? I'm seen threats of legal action against the prision system because they fed the prisoners MRE's for 4 days straight instead of hot meals (the facility was on lock down due to absorbing inmates from evacuated prisons, while many guards were still working transportation details. Is it unacceptable to have burn bans during high fire danger times? Sorry in any society that has risen from anarchy there are some limits on rights. Most people think in an emergency, it IS acceptable to limit rights to a greater degree. I think the posted declaration is over the top, but I do think Curfew are "acceptable" in limited cases (ie in an area where 99% of the residents including all or almost all LEO have evacuated. Most any flooded neighborhood is a good candidate also.) I don't think it is acceptable for you to be not allowed outside your dwelling, nor should transporting an otherwise legal substance (alcohol) be illegal. Since the state/local government does have an interest in HAZMAT transport, I don't think the explosives transport is a big deal and when roads are closed, stop lights out, and likely there are more blind intersections and one lane stretches of road, it's not the best time to be moving a Hazmat load,, but I'm still thinking WTF- did she even read that? I kind of prefer the Fob James implementaiton- Shoot on site order for looters with curfews limited to extreme cases (Gulf Shores, Dauphin Island, for example where roads were burried in the sand, or there were no vehicles in DI's case) Quoted:
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I think its time you elected new county commissioners and then have the new ones rewrite the county emergency orders bringing them inline with the Constitution. While waiting for an election, time permitting given the circumstances, call for the removal of the current commission. I am sorry you folks are going thur all this and I wish I could help. the county has nothing to do with it. it is NC state law that the county has also adopted. electing new county people wont change a thing. Sure it does. All she had to do was strike out the portions dealing with possession of firearms, transportation of Alcohol, limit you to your own property (vs dwelling) and keep what they need: Curfew, shutting down the sale of alcohol. I write all kinds of stuff like this at work. High level management is supposed to edit the document before sending it out For example we have different security conditions at work. If we loose a major facility for any reason, we increase the security condition of the adjacent facilites, not because the threat increases, but because the loss/exposure goes up. So for example we will increase the guard force, more random searchs, 100% touch ID checks, but we will not implement some of the features that are more oriented towards riots, protests or civil insurection, such as putting a PR person on sites, or requiring vehcile stickers to come off. On the technical side, we will increase staffing, but not do anything with vehicles (fuel, service, verify radios, park in protected locaton, ensure a central key is available) You also need to read this like a lawyer. If elsewhere in the NC code on CHLs, it gives you permission to carry the gun conceled and overrides local ordinances, then this act only applies to those without a CHL, and to open carry. Without reading it that way, it would also prohibit armed private security, judges, DA, retired LEOs, maybe even city police departments. |
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Quoted: So if you had left yor house with your CCW at 12:00 and was on the way home from the stop and rob that was 45 min. away, with a six pack of beer and got pulled over at 12:50 you are now a criminal. Nice! Cherokee County, NC - Proclamation of a State of Emergency Section 1. Pursuant to Chapter 166A of the General Statutes and Article 36A Chapter 14 of the General Statutes, I have determined that a State of Emergency exists within Cherokee County, NC. Section 2. I, therefore, proclaim the existence of a State of Emergency within Cherokee County, NC. Section 3. I hereby order all county law enforcement officers and employees and all other emergency management personnel subject to my control to cooperate in the enforcement and implementation of the provisions of the county emergency ordinances which are set forth below. S Section 4. Curfew. Unless a member of the County's law enforcement agency or the emergency management program, every person who is located within: a) Peachtree Community incorporating Old U.S. 64 to the Cherokee-Clay County Line extending to new U.S. 64 to Hendrix Road and N.C. Hwy 141 from 64 Alt. to Rolling Hill Road b) Wehutty Road from Prince Road to Candy Mountain Road c) Candy Mountain Road from Shoal Creek Road to Liberty Road d) Texana from Joe Brown Highway to Joe Brown Highway This does not include travel to and from medical or emergency facilities. Members of these communities are to be inside a house dwelling from the hours of 6:30 pm to 7:00 am. These areas are without power and may pose a dangerous environment to homeowners, travelers and community members. Section 5. No Alcoholic Beverages. There shall be no sale, consumption, transportation, or possession of alcoholic beverages during the State of Emergency within Cherokee County, NC, except possession or consumption is allowed on a person's own premises. Section 6. No firearms, ammunition, or explosives. During the State of Emergency, there shall be no sale or purchase of any type of firearm or ammunition, or any possession of such items along with any type of explosive off owner's own premises. Section 7. Execution of Emergency Plan. All civilians and emergency management personnel are ordered to comply with the emergency reaction plan. Section 8. This proclamation shall become effective immediately. Proclaimed this the 03 day of March 2012 at 12:47 (p.m.) Signed (Lorraine M. Meltz) Chairman Board of Commissioners 
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I think its time you elected new county commissioners and then have the new ones rewrite the county emergency orders bringing them inline with the Constitution. While waiting for an election, time permitting given the circumstances, call for the removal of the current commission. I am sorry you folks are going thur all this and I wish I could help. the county has nothing to do with it. it is NC state law that the county has also adopted. electing new county people wont change a thing. Just because its a state law does not make it right. If you have to start at the county level to remove elected officals who do not support the constitution so be it, just don't tell me it won't change anything. |
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I think its time you elected new county commissioners and then have the new ones rewrite the county emergency orders bringing them inline with the Constitution. While waiting for an election, time permitting given the circumstances, call for the removal of the current commission. I am sorry you folks are going thur all this and I wish I could help. the county has nothing to do with it. it is NC state law that the county has also adopted. electing new county people wont change a thing. Just because its a state law does not make it right. If you have to start at the county level to remove elected officals who do not support the constitution so be it, just don't tell me it won't change anything. you would have to get rid of the people at the state level, not the local. local will do nothing because they still have to abide by state law. |
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I think its time you elected new county commissioners and then have the new ones rewrite the county emergency orders bringing them inline with the Constitution. While waiting for an election, time permitting given the circumstances, call for the removal of the current commission. I am sorry you folks are going thur all this and I wish I could help. the county has nothing to do with it. it is NC state law that the county has also adopted. electing new county people wont change a thing. Just because its a state law does not make it right. If you have to start at the county level to remove elected officals who do not support the constitution so be it, just don't tell me it won't change anything. you would have to get rid of the people at the state level, not the local. local will do nothing because they still have to abide by state law. You go after all of the leaders that don't follow the constitution it does not matter if they are local or state. All to often local leaders end up in state positions, so get them out before they move up and continue to violate the constitution. You have to start somewhere. Make local leaders stand up to the state for violating the constitution. Over in this part of the country we fight tooth and nail for our constitutional rights and it makes no matter wether its state or local government.You can't change anything unless you try. |
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"No such thing as try. Only do or not do."
Replacing local leaders is a pre-requisite for getting rid of nonsense like this. If you can't find someone to replace them with, consider running yourself. At the local level, it doesn't require the level of effort as it does for a state office. If the state officials are the problem, replace them too. When government officials chose not to adhere to the Constitution (or to common sense for that matter), they need to be replaced. Only then will we be able to roll back the tide against freedom that we are seeing. Did I read that if you go over to your neighbor's house for a beer, you're a criminal, particularly if you BYOB? That's just 
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Didn't this firearm issue come up last year with the hurricane? If I remember correctly if you had a CHL everything was fine. I'm on my phone so I can't search for the thread. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I think it was NC and the governor specifically clarified it. It appears some lefties got power in that county and are seeing how far they can wield/test it, as they do everywhere. |
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This is my take. If you don't like this stuff then make sure you vote down school bonds and underfund your local PD.
blue thunder, and the barecat can't come to town if . . . Honestly its time we make a honest assessment of the role of policing. The police in disaster/ riots have endless amounts of money, arrest you for curfew violations, spray you CS gas, and then drop charges. They can afford arresting a thousand people then paying them out $1000 dollars each. With a greying population and less crime do we really need the 2.3 police officers per 1000 citizens. Perhaps reducing the levels to 1.7 or 1.5 is more appropriate. If you want this crap the end. Get in a position of power and cut their budget. 
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OP, are you sitting out front of your house nursing a beer snuggling with a EBR yet or what?
Curfew is in effect right? For those that are there how about an update? In my AO it would be hard for the Libtard Governor to enforce such a order using State and County resources. If it was a big enough event they will all be busy out in the big Cities. The bigger the event the less likely we will see anybody. |
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This is my take. If you don't like this stuff then make sure you vote down school bonds and underfund your local PD. blue thunder, and the barecat can't come to town if . . . Honestly its time we make a honest assessment of the role of policing. The police haveendless amounts of money, arrest you for curfew violations, spray you CS gas, and then drop charges. They can afford arresting a thousand people then paying them out $1000 dollars each. If you want this crap the end. Get in a position of power and cut their budget. http://thanksbutnotanks.fr33agents.com/files/2012/02/Bearcat-Flyer-US-Letter31.jpeg That's a pretty broad brush your painting with there 
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This is my take. If you don't like this stuff then make sure you vote down school bonds and underfund your local PD. blue thunder, and the barecat can't come to town if . . . Honestly its time we make a honest assessment of the role of policing. The police haveendless amounts of money, arrest you for curfew violations, spray you CS gas, and then drop charges. They can afford arresting a thousand people then paying them out $1000 dollars each. If you want this crap the end. Get in a position of power and cut their budget. http://thanksbutnotanks.fr33agents.com/files/2012/02/Bearcat-Flyer-US-Letter31.jpeg That's a pretty broad brush your painting with there
Well, from when I was in LE, the citizens rights violations seem to have gone out of control with little accountablilty in a lot of places. I've never seen anything like the way even small dept's are being militarized and the reasons for it. I don't think I want one of those vehicles and the baggage that comes w/ them in my town, that's fo sure. |
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Section 3. I hereby order all county law enforcement officers and employees and all other emergency management personnel subject to my control to cooperate in the enforcement and implementation of the provisions of the county emergency ordinances which are set forth below.
S Section 4. Curfew. Unless a member of the County's law enforcement agency or the emergency management program, every person who is located within: a) Peachtree Community incorporating Old U.S. 64 to the Cherokee-Clay County Line extending to new U.S. 64 to Hendrix Road and N.C. Hwy 141 from 64 Alt. to Rolling Hill Road How do you guys think this affects volenteer programs such as members of CERT or a rural Search and Rescue? Must you abandon your family? |
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Section 3. I hereby order all county law enforcement officers and employees and all other emergency management personnel subject to my control to cooperate in the enforcement and implementation of the provisions of the county emergency ordinances which are set forth below. S Section 4. Curfew. Unless a member of the County's law enforcement agency or the emergency management program, every person who is located within: a) Peachtree Community incorporating Old U.S. 64 to the Cherokee-Clay County Line extending to new U.S. 64 to Hendrix Road and N.C. Hwy 141 from 64 Alt. to Rolling Hill Road How do you guys think this affects volenteer programs such as members of CERT or a rural Search and Rescue? Must you abandon your family? Doesn't look like it at all. They prolly would rather not be bothered w/ volunteers anyhow a lot of places unless things are really bad. You know, volunteers mostly aren't inside the inner super secret squirel group. |
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How do you guys think this affects volenteer programs such as members of CERT or a rural Search and Rescue? Must you abandon your family? The only people who can be forced by the government to work are the uniformed services (DOD, Coast Guard, Commisioned corps of the public health service, NOAA, etc) You can of course be fired. Some for volunteer services, the worse they could do is drop you from the rolls. You can be sued by individuals in theory if you were being paid and abandonded them even prior to being aware of the specific threat to that individual. In theory this could include not showing up for you assigned shift (since you continue to recieve health benefits for example.)P Never heard of this happening, but when Vol-FF/Rescue squad guys are paid, thay are paid on a per call basis, with no compensation for availability for this reason. Thus, there is no expectation on compensation until the indivifual has elected to respond (at which point he can now be sued, and no longer enjoys the good sameratian protection.) When I was a Vol FF and EMT, we had some concerns about this because at the extreme end of our coverage area (county, not my particular department) we were in the planning zone for a chemical weapons incenerator. It was clear we did not have to respond, but we had the PPE, and I would have. It would have been nothing like what is faced by a real Hazmat team, but I know a few members, specifically mothers of children, had some issues. |
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This is my take. If you don't like this stuff then make sure you vote down school bonds and underfund your local PD. blue thunder, and the barecat can't come to town if . . . Honestly its time we make a honest assessment of the role of policing. The police haveendless amounts of money, arrest you for curfew violations, spray you CS gas, and then drop charges. They can afford arresting a thousand people then paying them out $1000 dollars each. If you want this crap the end. Get in a position of power and cut their budget. http://thanksbutnotanks.fr33agents.com/files/2012/02/Bearcat-Flyer-US-Letter31.jpeg That's a pretty broad brush your painting with there
Well, from when I was in LE, the citizens rights violations seem to have gone out of control with little accountablilty in a lot of places. I've never seen anything like the way even small dept's are being militarized and the reasons for it. I don't think I want one of those vehicles and the baggage that comes w/ them in my town, that's fo sure. There is no doubt that LE is moving into more of a paramilitary role. LE in general has always been slow to adjust or keep up with the forces/problems they face. I understand that LE in general differs greatly throughout the country, hence the comment about painting with a broad brush. When we get stereotyped together my internet feeling gets hurt.
I can tell you first hand that when dealing with a barricaded subject or active shooter having something like a armored vehicle to operate safely behind while extracting a downed officer/civilian sure is a heck of a deal. Serving a SW on a grow site with the occupants all being heavily armed and determined not to go back to jail, with a long open exposed driveway to make your entrance, yea that's a fun feeling making your approach in your patrol cruiser. Yes maintenance is a factor but so is repairing my shot up cruiser. It doesn't stop bullets very well. Having said that my Chief won't take up the DHS on their handouts, we don't like strings much either around here. I don't see the citizens rights violations or little accountability in my AO. We don't get very many legitimate complaints, legitimate being the operative word. Criminals can be a bunch of whinny little degenerates who know how to manipulate the system. At the end of the day they are just tools to utilize that have the possibility of making the job that much easier or safer. BT ETA: I've had people tell me how corrupt my Dept is, but considering the source and lack of actually information or details negates the cliams. |
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I may have a different perspective on this.
I've been part of the disaster relief response. One of the problems with disasters is they they draw sightseers and looters. Curfew keeps the lookie Lou's and the out of area looters out, and gives the responders a means of ensuring compliance. The inside the building requirement must be unique to NC, I've certainly never heard of it. All we could do was ask for voluntary compliance, and we got it. The town had suffered looting during an emergency before, and implemented a curfew to give the responder s a tool to use to cause folks who had no business being there to leave. The prohibition of sale of firearms and ammo is news to me as well. I can readily see why a curfew and for lack of a better term "exclusion zone" would stand. Depending on the nature of the emergency, downed electrical wires, gas leaks, and debris could pose a hazard. If common sense was indeed a common trait, there would be no need to call a state of emergency in the first place. I can also see the logic behind the sale of alcohol beverages, having to deal with someone who is not only stupid but drunk and stupid could pose a real problem for everyone. As far as it goes, reasonable responses get the respect of reasonable people. A town or county devastated by tornadoes is not the place to experiment with anarchy. I'd also challenge all the GD chest thumpers in this thread STFU and join a volunteer group that responds to disasters and be part of the solution, instead of being part of the problem. I hope you guys realize how fucking stupid you sound. Asking folks to abide by a curfew and not run all over town in their Rambo kit seems to be pretty reasonable given the alternative. Ops |
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That follows the NC state SoE laws IIRC. However when the Governor has declared a SoE she has specifically stated it does not include the ban on firearms in her Declaration. She is pretty pro-gun despite all her other issues. Hence my question about pre-emption. I don't believe the County has the authority to enact restrictions controlled at the State level simply because they use the same language as the State. |
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The order was terminated yesterday!
I live on a farm and must check and feed my animals. I don't go out my door without a Smith 638 in my hip pocket and if any distane from the house I usually have my old Stevens, 200 in 223 along for the occasional coyote, groundhog, etc. We have a lot of problems with varmints (both 2 and 4 legged ones) and also Rabies! Bottom line, I had a cow that was to come in any time. In the past she has had problem deliveries. With the way the order was written, I HAD to be in my dwelling, never mind the fact the farm is 239 acres and some distance between animals, feed, barn and dwelling. Again, I understand the need to keep folks civil and stop looters but I sincerely do believe that the order is written with a too broad brush for a rural county. |