Posted: 1/26/2012 8:18:03 PM EDT
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http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19018266&title=new-lds-bishops-central-storehouse-opens-for-business
Is 570,000 sq. feet over 36 acres enough to suit your needs? 
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Egads, that's a rather large building! So, for the ignorant, LDS members may buy provisions there, as well as store them? I will try and answer this without messing up too badly. The Bishop's Store house is setup to provided necessities for people in need. There is no buying that happens here. This ware house is used to store the humanitarian supplies the LDS church sends around the world. The LDS church does operate canneries where members and non-member may purchase bulk food items and can them in number 10 cans for cost. There are several threads bout this. |
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Egads, that's a rather large building! So, for the ignorant, LDS members may buy provisions there, as well as store them? I will try and answer this without messing up too badly. The Bishop's Store house is setup to provided necessities for people in need. There is no buying that happens here. This ware house is used to store the humanitarian supplies the LDS church sends around the world. The LDS church does operate canneries where members and non-member may purchase bulk food items and can them in number 10 cans for cost. There are several threads bout this. Thank you, that is very cool! |
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Egads, that's a rather large building! So, for the ignorant, LDS members may buy provisions there, as well as store them? I will try and answer this without messing up too badly. The Bishop's Store house is setup to provided necessities for people in need. There is no buying that happens here. This ware house is used to store the humanitarian supplies the LDS church sends around the world. The LDS church does operate canneries where members and non-member may purchase bulk food items and can them in number 10 cans for cost. There are several threads bout this. The cannery and home storage center is a great place. The people there are very friendly and helpful, I go there often. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I believe that would be the biggest stash we are ever gonna see on the SF. Even some of the best ain't gonna touch that. wow. I work in a food facility that is larger and uses vertical space about double what they do (from what I can tell). We also have a full variety of stuff ... not just apples and bananas. What do I win? 
ETA - I am somewhat baffled as to why and how they have this facility. They stockpile all this stuff ... and then give it away? Who pays for the cost of all the supplies? Wtf? It's not cheap to operate a facility this size ... the power bill alone at my facility is a few million dollars a year ... That's a whole lot of change collected on Sunday to pay for all that. I guess the concept of charity work is lost upon me. They don't turn a profit at all? How do they survive monetarily? Do they get huge government aid or something? The entire concept just does not compute. I'm supposed to believe that they are paying millions upon millions of dollars to have and operate that facility, only to give everything away ... in the name of helping the poor? 
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http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19018266&title=new-lds-bishops-central-storehouse-opens-for-business Is 570,000 sq. feet over 36 acres enough to suit your needs? I think your math is a little fuzzy, 36 acres? My calculation indicates 13 acres (570,000 ft2 / 43,560 ft2) =13 Acres 36 acres under roof would quite a complex. ETA: Although 13 acres is still very impressive. |
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The entire concept just does not compute. I'm supposed to believe that they are paying millions upon millions of dollars to have and operate that facility, only to give everything away ... in the name of helping the poor?
Why is this a stretch? Have you ever read the Bible? Some people believe that God has blessed them so they turn around and tithe 10% to the Church so that blessings can be multiplied. The Mormons do awesome work and an awesome job of taking care of each other and those less fortunate than us. |
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I believe that would be the biggest stash we are ever gonna see on the SF. Even some of the best ain't gonna touch that. wow. I work in a food facility that is larger and uses vertical space about double what they do (from what I can tell). We also have a full variety of stuff ... not just apples and bananas. What do I win?
ETA - I am somewhat baffled as to why and how they have this facility. They stockpile all this stuff ... and then give it away? Who pays for the cost of all the supplies? Wtf? It's not cheap to operate a facility this size ... the power bill alone at my facility is a few million dollars a year ... That's a whole lot of change collected on Sunday to pay for all that. I guess the concept of charity work is lost upon me. They don't turn a profit at all? How do they survive monetarily? Do they get huge government aid or something? The entire concept just does not compute. I'm supposed to believe that they are paying millions upon millions of dollars to have and operate that facility, only to give everything away ... in the name of helping the poor? There are some partial answers above but I'd like to add that the church has hundreds of farms and ranches throughout the USA/and abroad that grow and raise food. I'm not LDS so I'm not sure how this works but I have spoke with a few neighbors on "Church Assistance" and I'm told that in order for them to receive help they are required to put in time at these and other facilities. Also, my wife's folks (LDS) volunteer several times a year at several different facilities. To my way of thinking, the LDS have an outstanding "welfare" system. Can you imagine the welfare rats at your local walmart having to work for the help they receive? |
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I believe that would be the biggest stash we are ever gonna see on the SF. Even some of the best ain't gonna touch that. wow. I work in a food facility that is larger and uses vertical space about double what they do (from what I can tell). We also have a full variety of stuff ... not just apples and bananas. What do I win?
ETA - I am somewhat baffled as to why and how they have this facility. They stockpile all this stuff ... and then give it away? Who pays for the cost of all the supplies? Wtf? It's not cheap to operate a facility this size ... the power bill alone at my facility is a few million dollars a year ... That's a whole lot of change collected on Sunday to pay for all that. I guess the concept of charity work is lost upon me. They don't turn a profit at all? How do they survive monetarily? Do they get huge government aid or something? The entire concept just does not compute. I'm supposed to believe that they are paying millions upon millions of dollars to have and operate that facility, only to give everything away ... in the name of helping the poor? Charity, goodwill towards all, how does it work? 
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To my way of thinking, the LDS have an outstanding "welfare" system. Can you imagine the welfare rats at your local walmart having to work for the help they receive? Quotes on LDS welfare: “I believe that there is a growing disposition among the people to try to get something from the government of the United States with little hope of ever paying it back,” President Heber J. Grant (1856–1945) “Our able-bodied members must not, except as a last resort, be put under the embarrassment of accepting something for nothing. … Church officials administering relief must devise ways and means by which all able-bodied Church members who are in need, may make compensation for aid given them by rendering some sort of service." “Our primary purpose was to set up … a system under which the curse of idleness would be done away with, the evils of a dole abolished, and independence, industry, thrift and self-respect be once more established amongst our people,work is to be re-enthroned as the ruling principle of the lives of our Church membership.” President Heber J. Grant The recipients are rarely able to work enough to repay much of what they are given. The work is not part of it to pay for the production, that's done with donations and volunteered time... the work is there to help people work, gain experience, and not slide into laziness. Generally, when they are recipients of welfare for more than a short period of time, they are given work in places where vocational and occupational training can take place, so that they can move up in the world and make their own living, instead of staying on the welfare system. Furthermore, when someone asks for welfare of significant amount, their bishop will often have someone help them go over all of their finances, and see what they can do and how they can change their expenditures and budgeting to achieve self-sufficiency without having to go on welfare. The Church is there to help, but isn't there to be taken advantage of. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Egads, that's a rather large building! So, for the ignorant, LDS members may buy provisions there, as well as store them? I will try and answer this without messing up too badly. The Bishop's Store house is setup to provided necessities for people in need. There is no buying that happens here. This ware house is used to store the humanitarian supplies the LDS church sends around the world. The LDS church does operate canneries where members and non-member may purchase bulk food items and can them in number 10 cans for cost. There are several threads bout this. The cannery and home storage center is a great place. The people there are very friendly and helpful, I go there often. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Having a year's worth of emergency food storage is practice strongly encouraged by the church. The canneries are a means to help people economically purchase and store basic food items. They're staffed by church volunteers, but are open to the public and stock primarily staple food products. I just purchased 24 assorted #10 cans of rice, dehydrated apple slices, carrot cubes, potato flakes, refried beans, sugar, white flour, etc... for less than $100. For those new to prepping, a visit to a LDS cannery is a must. |
| Just wondering. Are there other faiths out there that ask members to get out of debt, have at least a 72 hour kit, heck even FEMA asks that we all do that and just get your life both temporally ans spiritually in order? I am Mormon and just wondering if there are others. To me growing up this way is the norm just interesting coming on the board there are many more but where did you get your start to prepare? |
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To my way of thinking, the LDS have an outstanding "welfare" system. Can you imagine the welfare rats at your local walmart having to work for the help they receive? Quotes on LDS welfare: “I believe that there is a growing disposition among the people to try to get something from the government of the United States with little hope of ever paying it back,” President Heber J. Grant (1856–1945) “Our able-bodied members must not, except as a last resort, be put under the embarrassment of accepting something for nothing. … Church officials administering relief must devise ways and means by which all able-bodied Church members who are in need, may make compensation for aid given them by rendering some sort of service." “Our primary purpose was to set up … a system under which the curse of idleness would be done away with, the evils of a dole abolished, and independence, industry, thrift and self-respect be once more established amongst our people,work is to be re-enthroned as the ruling principle of the lives of our Church membership.” President Heber J. Grant The recipients are rarely able to work enough to repay much of what they are given. The work is not part of it to pay for the production, that's done with donations and volunteered time... the work is there to help people work, gain experience, and not slide into laziness. Generally, when they are recipients of welfare for more than a short period of time, they are given work in places where vocational and occupational training can take place, so that they can move up in the world and make their own living, instead of staying on the welfare system. Furthermore, when someone asks for welfare of significant amount, their bishop will often have someone help them go over all of their finances, and see what they can do and how they can change their expenditures and budgeting to achieve self-sufficiency without having to go on welfare. The Church is there to help, but isn't there to be taken advantage of. Would that our government might learn and apply this lesson. |
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Egads, that's a rather large building! So, for the ignorant, LDS members may buy provisions there, as well as store them? I will try and answer this without messing up too badly. The Bishop's Store house is setup to provided necessities for people in need. There is no buying that happens here. This ware house is used to store the humanitarian supplies the LDS church sends around the world. The LDS church does operate canneries where members and non-member may purchase bulk food items and can them in number 10 cans for cost. There are several threads bout this. The cannery and home storage center is a great place. The people there are very friendly and helpful, I go there often. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Having a year's worth of emergency food storage is practice strongly encouraged by the church. The canneries are a means to help people economically purchase and store basic food items. They're staffed by church volunteers, but are open to the public and stock primarily staple food products. I just purchased 24 assorted #10 cans of rice, dehydrated apple slices, carrot cubes, potato flakes, refried beans, sugar, white flour, etc... for less than $100. For those new to prepping, a visit to a LDS cannery is a must. Wow, that's a great price for so much food. How much does a #10 can hold? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Egads, that's a rather large building! So, for the ignorant, LDS members may buy provisions there, as well as store them? I will try and answer this without messing up too badly. The Bishop's Store house is setup to provided necessities for people in need. There is no buying that happens here. This ware house is used to store the humanitarian supplies the LDS church sends around the world. The LDS church does operate canneries where members and non-member may purchase bulk food items and can them in number 10 cans for cost. There are several threads bout this. The cannery and home storage center is a great place. The people there are very friendly and helpful, I go there often. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Having a year's worth of emergency food storage is practice strongly encouraged by the church. The canneries are a means to help people economically purchase and store basic food items. They're staffed by church volunteers, but are open to the public and stock primarily staple food products. I just purchased 24 assorted #10 cans of rice, dehydrated apple slices, carrot cubes, potato flakes, refried beans, sugar, white flour, etc... for less than $100. For those new to prepping, a visit to a LDS cannery is a must. Wow, that's a great price for so much food. How much does a #10 can hold? A #10 is the size of a large coffee can. Volume is about 13 cups. .8 gallons Price list |
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Massive OPSEC fail.  Not really, "the church" has It's own security services that would make Hugo Chavez green with envy... It will still be interesting to see if the Gov will try to take it for the "common good" when SHTF... I'm LDS and if I am ever asked to help the Church retain their goods, I'll be there. |
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Massive OPSEC fail. Not really, "the church" has It's own security services that would make Hugo Chavez green with envy... It will still be interesting to see if the Gov will try to take it for the "common good" when SHTF... I'm LDS and if I am ever asked to help the Church retain their goods, I'll be there. I'm not sure I understand your question? The way I understand it the storage of food and other items by the church is for the common good and is routinely shipped to areas where it is needed. Now, if the SHTF and .gov makes moves on the storage against the churches wishes/intentions, I as a non-Mormon will be standing shoulder to shoulder with you to prevent this. |
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Massive OPSEC fail. Not really, "the church" has It's own security services that would make Hugo Chavez green with envy... It will still be interesting to see if the Gov will try to take it for the "common good" when SHTF... I'm LDS and if I am ever asked to help the Church retain their goods, I'll be there. I'm not sure I understand your question? The way I understand it the storage of food and other items by the church is for the common good and is routinely shipped to areas where it is needed. Now, if the SHTF and .gov makes moves on the storage against the churches wishes/intentions, I as a non-Mormon will be standing shoulder to shoulder with you to prevent this Correct, all of the food and goods go to help people around the world, as the Church feels fit to administer it (and they are very generous). I guess my statement was more around comments that I have seen in regards to the potential risk of .gov trying to use their "executive power" to seize others property in a time of great crisis. There was actually a post here just a few weeks ago around the Feds asking questions at a LDS storehouse about quantity of goods and also a list of members who utilize their facility. I don't think it is out of the relm of reason to foresee a time when the .gov is left with very little and looks upon the Church, and a lot of their members, as a source to secure that which they don't have. The Church as always preached self reliance and instructed their members to be prepared for the worst (1yr food storage, minimal debt and cash reserve). I know several people who have heeded this council and have been blessed in time of personal need (seems like mostly with employment issues and illness the last several years). If you ever feel like you are alone in your efforts to prep and in your concern about a SHTF situation here in the USA, go start talking to those crazy Mormons...chances are a lot of them feel the same and are as crazy as you
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| Also with the bishops storehouse.. Everytime that I have gone there to "buy" preps I have helped can hundreds of pounds of products that they need to either send out or stockpile in the warehouse for future shipments and when we had filled what they needed then we canned all of the stuff that we wanted.. We were also given the opertunity to purchase excess canned items but it is hit or miss because it is mostly overrun of others who have come before to help with canning.. Seriously if you ever get a chance to do this take the opertunity.. The people are very cool and very like minded.. The workers are over the top GREATFUL that you are there to help out.. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Massive OPSEC fail. Not really, "the church" has It's own security services that would make Hugo Chavez green with envy... It will still be interesting to see if the Gov will try to take it for the "common good" when SHTF... I'm LDS and if I am ever asked to help the Church retain their goods, I'll be there. I'm not sure I understand your question? The way I understand it the storage of food and other items by the church is for the common good and is routinely shipped to areas where it is needed. Now, if the SHTF and .gov makes moves on the storage against the churches wishes/intentions, I as a non-Mormon will be standing shoulder to shoulder with you to prevent this. .gov/FEMA maintains its own food storage facilities in warehouses and massive underground sites. So it would be unlikely the feds would make any move. But if a real SHTF or TEOTWAWKI were to occur, the local LDS canneries would be among the first sites overrun and plundered by the civilian population.  |
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Massive OPSEC fail. Not really, "the church" has It's own security services that would make Hugo Chavez green with envy... It will still be interesting to see if the Gov will try to take it for the "common good" when SHTF... I'm LDS and if I am ever asked to help the Church retain their goods, I'll be there. I'm not sure I understand your question? The way I understand it the storage of food and other items by the church is for the common good and is routinely shipped to areas where it is needed. Now, if the SHTF and .gov makes moves on the storage against the churches wishes/intentions, I as a non-Mormon will be standing shoulder to shoulder with you to prevent this. .gov/FEMA maintains its own food storage facilities in warehouses and massive underground sites. So it would be unlikely the feds would make any move. But if a real SHTF or TEOTWAWKI were to occur, the local LDS canneries would be among the first sites overrun and plundered by the civilian population.
Only if the sheeple were stupid enough to confront the ARMED members of its congregation.... I have had this very conversation with the associate pastor at my family's church (i am not religious but my folks are) and basically told her that anyone attempting to loot from the church while my father and I were there woudl be summarily shot particularly if they were armed |
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LDS members are urged to give a 10% tithe of all money earned, you might have heard ever since Romeny started catching flak about his family giving so much. On top of this tithe however, every month members are urged to participate in a church wide monthly fast, where they can also donate money for humanitarian aid. This fasting and monetary donation is where much of the bills are paid for. There is zero profit, as the whole church operates on volunteer basis, from the local preachers, up to the president of the church (there are exceptions for a few full time administrative jobs, such as teachers who teach weekly classes to college aged, young single adults, both member and non member (this is called Institute).
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Massive OPSEC fail. Not really, "the church" has It's own security services that would make Hugo Chavez green with envy... It will still be interesting to see if the Gov will try to take it for the "common good" when SHTF... I'm LDS and if I am ever asked to help the Church retain their goods, I'll be there. I'm not sure I understand your question? The way I understand it the storage of food and other items by the church is for the common good and is routinely shipped to areas where it is needed. Now, if the SHTF and .gov makes moves on the storage against the churches wishes/intentions, I as a non-Mormon will be standing shoulder to shoulder with you to prevent this. .gov/FEMA maintains its own food storage facilities in warehouses and massive underground sites. So it would be unlikely the feds would make any move. But if a real SHTF or TEOTWAWKI were to occur, the local LDS canneries would be among the first sites overrun and plundered by the civilian population.
Only if the sheeple were stupid enough to confront the ARMED members of its congregation.... I have had this very conversation with the associate pastor at my family's church (i am not religious but my folks are) and basically told her that anyone attempting to loot from the church while my father and I were there woudl be summarily shot particularly if they were armed While LDS church members do tend to have good preps and arm themselves, it's not like we have a militia. If someone needs food, they will find that all they need to do is ask for it and it will be given unconditionally. Now if someone tried to take it by force and was intent on harming others in the process, it will not bode well for them. Even if things were in chaos, I do not think that I could ever turn someone away who is seeking sustenance for himself and his family. Having food is a blessing from God - it was His in the first place. That said, I do not think God expects us to let ourselves be murdered by someone trying to take food from us by force. |
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Massive OPSEC fail. Not really, "the church" has It's own security services that would make Hugo Chavez green with envy... It will still be interesting to see if the Gov will try to take it for the "common good" when SHTF... I'm LDS and if I am ever asked to help the Church retain their goods, I'll be there. I'm pretty sure you would have plenty on non members (myself included) willing to help the church out with an issue like that. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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To my way of thinking, the LDS have an outstanding "welfare" system. Can you imagine the welfare rats at your local walmart having to work for the help they receive? Quotes on LDS welfare: “I believe that there is a growing disposition among the people to try to get something from the government of the United States with little hope of ever paying it back,” President Heber J. Grant (1856–1945) “Our able-bodied members must not, except as a last resort, be put under the embarrassment of accepting something for nothing. … Church officials administering relief must devise ways and means by which all able-bodied Church members who are in need, may make compensation for aid given them by rendering some sort of service." “Our primary purpose was to set up … a system under which the curse of idleness would be done away with, the evils of a dole abolished, and independence, industry, thrift and self-respect be once more established amongst our people,work is to be re-enthroned as the ruling principle of the lives of our Church membership.” President Heber J. Grant The recipients are rarely able to work enough to repay much of what they are given. The work is not part of it to pay for the production, that's done with donations and volunteered time... the work is there to help people work, gain experience, and not slide into laziness. Generally, when they are recipients of welfare for more than a short period of time, they are given work in places where vocational and occupational training can take place, so that they can move up in the world and make their own living, instead of staying on the welfare system. Furthermore, when someone asks for welfare of significant amount, their bishop will often have someone help them go over all of their finances, and see what they can do and how they can change their expenditures and budgeting to achieve self-sufficiency without having to go on welfare. The Church is there to help, but isn't there to be taken advantage of. Well all that took a flying leap out the window w/ LBJ's idiotic "great society" pgm. Just one more way to destroy the USA so the Socialists/Marxists can steal it right from under our stupid blind noses. |
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http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19018266&title=new-lds-bishops-central-storehouse-opens-for-business Is 570,000 sq. feet over 36 acres enough to suit your needs? I think your math is a little fuzzy, 36 acres? My calculation indicates 13 acres (570,000 ft2 / 43,560 ft2) =13 Acres 36 acres under roof would quite a complex. ETA: Although 13 acres is still very impressive. The video said the entire complex is 36 acres. I'm pretty sure all those employees and semi trucks need a place to park. Not to mention how many trailers I'm sure they have stored on-site. Grove |
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I believe that would be the biggest stash we are ever gonna see on the SF. Even some of the best ain't gonna touch that. wow. I work in a food facility that is larger and uses vertical space about double what they do (from what I can tell). We also have a full variety of stuff ... not just apples and bananas. What do I win?
ETA - I am somewhat baffled as to why and how they have this facility. They stockpile all this stuff ... and then give it away? Who pays for the cost of all the supplies? Wtf? It's not cheap to operate a facility this size ... the power bill alone at my facility is a few million dollars a year ... That's a whole lot of change collected on Sunday to pay for all that. I guess the concept of charity work is lost upon me. They don't turn a profit at all? How do they survive monetarily? Do they get huge government aid or something? The entire concept just does not compute. I'm supposed to believe that they are paying millions upon millions of dollars to have and operate that facility, only to give everything away ... in the name of helping the poor? There are some partial answers above but I'd like to add that the church has hundreds of farms and ranches throughout the USA/and abroad that grow and raise food. I'm not LDS so I'm not sure how this works but I have spoke with a few neighbors on "Church Assistance" and I'm told that in order for them to receive help they are required to put in time at these and other facilities. Also, my wife's folks (LDS) volunteer several times a year at several different facilities. To my way of thinking, the LDS have an outstanding "welfare" system. Can you imagine the welfare rats at your local walmart having to work for the help they receive? I have come to believe that the average fat, lazy American welfare rat would NEVER "stoop" to working for their gain. They've been bred and raised to DEMAND everything, RIOT when/if they don't get it fast enough, and just give-up and sit-down to die if for some reason they aren't fed like a baby bird by its mother. Don't get me wrong... during the coming times, many hungry would-be wolves will find themselves motivated to rape, kill, and loot everything in their path. But I think that many of these people are like the average Katrina refugee... they've managed to breed themselves away from basic survival instincts to the point that they are truly helpless when the money supply is cut-off. It's going to be very interesting to watch when the spigot finally runs dry...
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Great facility and I have nothing but good things to say about my LDS experience (I actually enjoyed spending time sealing the #10 cans, filling them on the other hand isn't fun when it's powdered milk...). I will definitely be going back to round out my preps and to replace rotated items.
Quick question to those more familiar with the LDS food warehouses: In the front of the one I went to was a small "store" that had a nice selection of decent foodstuffs. People were walking around with what appeared to be a shopping list, filling up carts with food. I saw no cash registers or prices. From this, I assumed that they were receiving charitable hand-outs. Is this correct? Are the people receiving these free items asked to volunteer to pay it forward? Is there a maximum time limit on how long one can receive hand-outs? I agree with the LDS church's philosophy of helping those in need, but taking a look at the parking lot and the cars better than mine therein, most of these people receiving dole are not truly in need (compared to those in a lot of countries I travel to). Thanks in advance for your time. |
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ETA - I am somewhat baffled as to why and how they have this facility. They stockpile all this stuff ... and then give it away? Who pays for the cost of all the supplies? Wtf? It's not cheap to operate a facility this size ... the power bill alone at my facility is a few million dollars a year ... That's a whole lot of change collected on Sunday to pay for all that. I guess the concept of charity work is lost upon me. They don't turn a profit at all? How do they survive monetarily? Do they get huge government aid or something? The entire concept just does not compute. I'm supposed to believe that they are paying millions upon millions of dollars to have and operate that facility, only to give everything away ... in the name of helping the poor? I can understand your question. Besides tithing, LDS members often "fast" once a month and pay what is referred to as a "fast offering" to be used for welfare purposes. These fast offerings and other humanitarian offerings are used for such efforts as seen in the video. I've also seen local congregations buy toothbrushes, toothpaste, washcloths, and other toiletries to be then assembled into kits that then get distributed to disaster sites. I've seen LDS members volunteer at Church operated canning and meatpacking facilities. Volunteer work keeps a lot of expenses down. These facilities have supervisors and are very strict when it comes to safety and sanitation. Some people who work are of course paid professionals, such as the forklift operators and truck drivers in the video. At the meat packing facility I visited I know the-on site butchers were professionals. Some people just want to help their fellow man. |
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Great facility and I have nothing but good things to say about my LDS experience (I actually enjoyed spending time sealing the #10 cans, filling them on the other hand isn't fun when it's powdered milk...). I will definitely be going back to round out my preps and to replace rotated items. Quick question to those more familiar with the LDS food warehouses: In the front of the one I went to was a small "store" that had a nice selection of decent foodstuffs. People were walking around with what appeared to be a shopping list, filling up carts with food. I saw no cash registers or prices. From this, I assumed that they were receiving charitable hand-outs. Is this correct? Are the people receiving these free items asked to volunteer to pay it forward? Is there a maximum time limit on how long one can receive hand-outs? I agree with the LDS church's philosophy of helping those in need, but taking a look at the parking lot and the cars better than mine therein, most of these people receiving dole are not truly in need (compared to those in a lot of countries I travel to). Thanks in advance for your time. A bit of background. If a member or family of an LDS congregation is in need, they can go to their bishop for help. The bishop (and probably the relief society president who is a woman from the congregation) will evaluate needs and help put together a sort of shopping list for the family in need. The list is then taken to the bishop's storehouse where the groceries are retrieved without any cash or credit involved. Items which are collected from a bishop's storehouse include not only food but also toiletries, household cleaning supplies, etc. The person receiving the aid is generally given opportunities to serve in exchange for the aid that is given. Such opportunities often include giving time at a cannery or meat packing facility, working on one of the Church operated farms, etc. Generally speaking, the aid at the storehouse and the request for service in return are handled discretely. I don't know who in my local congregation is actually receiving aid, though as one gets to know neighbors well it might sometimes be guessed. As for whether people are truly in need or not, a lot of that is a judgement call involving the discression of the local ecclesiastical leaders. People who require aid over extended periods of time often receive counseling about lifestyle costs and changes. However, not everyone who works at a cannery or on a church operated farm is a recipient of Church aid or paid professional staff. Many are just volunteers. |
A few years ago upper management at my company decided to stockpile supplies to have on-hand for our employees in case of power outages, ice storms, and other emergencies. I was put in charge of the project and tasked with figuring out the scope of what was needed, and then acquiring and organizing the gear and consumables. Long story short, putting together a supply list for 150+ families in several offices across three states turned into a huge undertaking. Someone in the office suggested that I contact the LDS church for help, and they were amazing 
Those folks are organized, and they are genuinely happy to help. I suspect that in their eyes, every group they help to become self-sufficient will be one less group they'll have to take care of in an emergency. Even though I'm not a Mormon or affiliated with the LDS church in any way, the members who worked with us went way out of their way to get our project going. Their totally selfless action left an extremely positive impression, and I considered myself fortunate to have them in my corner. |
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Just wondering. Are there other faiths out there that ask members to get out of debt, have at least a 72 hour kit, heck even FEMA asks that we all do that and just get your life both temporally ans spiritually in order? I am Mormon and just wondering if there are others. To me growing up this way is the norm just interesting coming on the board there are many more but where did you get your start to prepare? I don't know of any faiths (vs particular congregations) that push self prepardness like the LDS, but there are plenty of faiths that either view debt as a sin (usery) or as something some people can not control, and thus drives their life, like alcohol or gambling, There are other faiths that make huge disaster relief efforts (Mennonites, Salvation Army, Southern Baptists, to name the big ones) The southern Baptists are the most amazing, and have it down to an art form. Thir crews are led (and mostly staffed by) trained tradesmen. They had dedicated trailers for thinks like carpentry and mucking (cleaning a house after flood waters.) FEMA has sent folks to southern baptist classes on chains saws to get them certified. The one thing thats sucks in disaster response is do gooders arriving to help with few skills, and not equiped to support themselves. No matter how bad they want to help they are a drain on resources within the event horizion. It's the difference between the Peace Corps and the Navy SeaBees. |
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I have come to believe that the average fat, lazy American welfare rat would NEVER "stoop" to working for their gain. They've been bred and raised to DEMAND everything, RIOT when/if they don't get it fast enough, and just give-up and sit-down to die if for some reason they aren't fed like a baby bird by its mother. Don't get me wrong... during the coming times, many hungry would-be wolves will find themselves motivated to rape, kill, and loot everything in their path. But I think that many of these people are like the average Katrina refugee... they've managed to breed themselves away from basic survival instincts to the point that they are truly helpless when the money supply is cut-off. It's going to be very interesting to watch when the spigot finally runs dry... Depend on it. When they are sure the government cheese is gone- and the police have deserted to protect their own families, our ARs will be needed. Afterward ,the world will be a more peaceful place. |
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I believe that would be the biggest stash we are ever gonna see on the SF. Even some of the best ain't gonna touch that. wow. I work in a food facility that is larger and uses vertical space about double what they do (from what I can tell). We also have a full variety of stuff ... not just apples and bananas. What do I win?
ETA - I am somewhat baffled as to why and how they have this facility. They stockpile all this stuff ... and then give it away? Who pays for the cost of all the supplies? Wtf? It's not cheap to operate a facility this size ... the power bill alone at my facility is a few million dollars a year ... That's a whole lot of change collected on Sunday to pay for all that. I guess the concept of charity work is lost upon me. They don't turn a profit at all? How do they survive monetarily? Do they get huge government aid or something? The entire concept just does not compute. I'm supposed to believe that they are paying millions upon millions of dollars to have and operate that facility, only to give everything away ... in the name of helping the poor? There are some partial answers above but I'd like to add that the church has hundreds of farms and ranches throughout the USA/and abroad that grow and raise food. I'm not LDS so I'm not sure how this works but I have spoke with a few neighbors on "Church Assistance" and I'm told that in order for them to receive help they are required to put in time at these and other facilities. Also, my wife's folks (LDS) volunteer several times a year at several different facilities. To my way of thinking, the LDS have an outstanding "welfare" system. Can you imagine the welfare rats at your local walmart having to work for the help they receive? Living in Fresno, Calif., "the raisin capital of the world" I had several Mormon friends. They were "required" to work at the church owned grape farm every year picking the grapes and laying them out to dry into raisins. To keep their temple remit they are required to tithe 10% of their income. Look at Romney's tax returns, he tithed his 10%. Too bad he didn't do more, that would have been generous. Not just what was required of him. "Can you imagine the welfare rats at your local walmart having to work for the help they receive? " Hell no. |
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I believe that would be the biggest stash we are ever gonna see on the SF. Even some of the best ain't gonna touch that. wow. I work in a food facility that is larger and uses vertical space about double what they do (from what I can tell). We also have a full variety of stuff ... not just apples and bananas. What do I win?
ETA - I am somewhat baffled as to why and how they have this facility. They stockpile all this stuff ... and then give it away? Who pays for the cost of all the supplies? Wtf? It's not cheap to operate a facility this size ... the power bill alone at my facility is a few million dollars a year ... That's a whole lot of change collected on Sunday to pay for all that. I guess the concept of charity work is lost upon me. They don't turn a profit at all? How do they survive monetarily? Do they get huge government aid or something? The entire concept just does not compute. I'm supposed to believe that they are paying millions upon millions of dollars to have and operate that facility, only to give everything away ... in the name of helping the poor? There are some partial answers above but I'd like to add that the church has hundreds of farms and ranches throughout the USA/and abroad that grow and raise food. I'm not LDS so I'm not sure how this works but I have spoke with a few neighbors on "Church Assistance" and I'm told that in order for them to receive help they are required to put in time at these and other facilities. Also, my wife's folks (LDS) volunteer several times a year at several different facilities. To my way of thinking, the LDS have an outstanding "welfare" system. Can you imagine the welfare rats at your local walmart having to work for the help they receive? Living in Fresno, Calif., "the raisin capital of the world" I had several Mormon friends. They were "required" to work at the church owned grape farm every year picking the grapes and laying them out to dry into raisins. To keep their temple remit they are required to tithe 10% of their income. Look at Romney's tax returns, he tithed his 10%. Too bad he didn't do more, that would have been generous. Not just what was required of him. "Can you imagine the welfare rats at your local walmart having to work for the help they receive? " Hell no. 
You're criticizing him for giving up 10% of his income to tithes as not being generous enough? Didn't he give $1.5 million beyond that to charitable causes last year? I find it interesting that a Freemason would criticize another person's church/charitable offerings, amounting to 14% of their income that year, as insufficient. I'm curious, MikeSH, if you want to detail for us the percentage of your own income that you gave away to church and/or charity? As for your friends working at church owned farms, they were probably asked, but I can promise that they weren't required...unless it was a part of them receiving welfare aid. At which point, I'm curious what your objection to that is? |