[ARCHIVED THREAD] - To those without BOL... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/6/2011 6:35:51 AM EDT
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...where do you plan to go?
I've been thinking about this for awhile, if the time comes to leave, whether in a hurry or not, where can someone without BOL go? To be away from people etc. I live in a townhouse about 30minutes from a major city. There is allot of open land within 6 hours me but it's all privately owned. Do you drive out of your state until you find something that looks remote enough? |
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Its all situational for me at least, Ill most likely bug in. I have woods to my back and a small river about 200 yards from my back door.
Unless theres a meteor or nuclear disaster, then I know of a little cave Im going to crawl into for a couple days. To be realistic, your probably not going to be able to get away from people, because it sounds like your living situation is a lot like mine. You can go jump into that land near by, but with a big city next door, who else is? Probably best to stick it out in the protection of your 4 walls. If the economy collapses or something drastic like that, Ill stick it out here as long as I can. If it starts to get too ugly, well pack up what we can into the trucks and head north, if even possible. I imagine a lot of people will be as well, so I don't plan to stop until Im eating polar bear. Let the crazies kill themselves off and start heading back down in a year or two. Its all going to depend on the situation and the opportunities that present themselves to you. If your going to hide it out in the wilderness, your going to have to go DAYS into the wilderness before you don't have to worry about people stumbling into you, and even then. The wilderness will not be easy, so if your not prepared, you probably don't wanna go. |
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...where do you plan to go? I've been thinking about this for awhile, if the time comes to leave, whether in a hurry or not, where can someone without BOL go? To be away from people etc. I live in a townhouse about 30minutes from a major city. There is allot of open land within 6 hours me but it's all privately owned. Do you drive out of your state until you find something that looks remote enough? Don't try squating on my place. |
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Competing with countless others to stake out a spot in an area that you are unfamiliar with does not sound like much a plan to me.
We have family and friends spread out within a 1,000 mile radius of us. So in the event that we could not stay in place, we would go stay with one of them. |
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...where do you plan to go? I've been thinking about this for awhile, if the time comes to leave, whether in a hurry or not, where can someone without BOL go? To be away from people etc. I live in a townhouse about 30minutes from a major city. There is allot of open land within 6 hours me but it's all privately owned. Do you drive out of your state until you find something that looks remote enough? Don't try squating on my place. Easy to say, much harder to prevent. It most likely wont be one guy and his starving wife. IT will be many guys and their starving families. |
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No one I know well enough has the same mindset. Everyone in my age bracket is still partying or too uninvolved in politics etc.
I guess stayin in as long as possible in the only option. And if the time comes to leave it's "head north until I see nothing for a few days" and hope the land isn't privately owned. Kinda sucks. It seems BOL isn't a luxury of someone my age just yet. |
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No one I know well enough has the same mindset. Everyone in my age bracket is still partying or too uninvolved in politics etc. I guess stayin in as long as possible in the only option. And if the time comes to leave it's "head north until I see nothing for a few days" and hope the land isn't privately owned. Kinda sucks. It seems BOL isn't a luxury of someone my age just yet. I am not sure where you are (other than the U.S.). You might try your Hometown Forum to meet up with some other like minded folks in your area. A lot of areas have shoots, dinners, etc. My wife and I used to live down on the coast and got tired of bugging out for hurricanes, so we bought land and now live at our BOL. 
However, since we don't know 100% what will happen, my best friend has a place 4hrs away. We are each others "backup location". |
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No one I know well enough has the same mindset. Everyone in my age bracket is still partying or too uninvolved in politics etc. I guess stayin in as long as possible in the only option. And if the time comes to leave it's "head north until I see nothing for a few days" and hope the land isn't privately owned. Kinda sucks. It seems BOL isn't a luxury of someone my age just yet. "my age yet" That lets me think that you're still 'flexible". if so you can go anywhere and get by. M |
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No one I know well enough has the same mindset. Everyone in my age bracket is still partying or too uninvolved in politics etc. I guess stayin in as long as possible in the only option. And if the time comes to leave it's "head north until I see nothing for a few days" and hope the land isn't privately owned. Kinda sucks. It seems BOL isn't a luxury of someone my age just yet. What state do you live in? I live in up state ny and have really only talked to one person in my area who I believe to be a prepper/survivalist. I met him via 2M. I know several people who are semi prepared but just because their lifestyle leads them to it... Not many though that would have a similar mindset to those that frequent the survival forum here. I wouldn't mind to network with some like minded folks myself. If your in ny shoot me a PM... |
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...where do you plan to go? I've been thinking about this for awhile, if the time comes to leave, whether in a hurry or not, where can someone without BOL go? To be away from people etc. I live in a townhouse about 30minutes from a major city. There is allot of open land within 6 hours me but it's all privately owned. Do you drive out of your state until you find something that looks remote enough? Don't try squating on my place. Yeah trespassers are met with hostility and an armed man here. I'm sure my level of hostility would probably be higher given SHTF. I treat my pond as an emergency food supply. My friends and family are the only welcomed guests out here.
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You should plan for different events.
Take a look at most of the large evacuations that have taken place recently. Most due to tropical storms, tornadoes, floods, earthquakes, etc. That is going to cover the majority of what you'll need to escape. Some cash handy to put yourself up in a hotel outside of the damaged area for a week or so wouldn't be a terrible plan. "Drive until you see street lights on, then keep driving for 30 mins" to find a relatively safe spot to hang for a while. You should deeply assess the need to "scramble into the wilderness" if something happens. Prep for it, but don't put yourself at a disadvantage in communication, distance and resources because it sounds cool. |
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There are many different types of BO. There are many different reasons to BO. Some types holiday inn BO––go to a hotel. This is valid and effective if there is a neighborhood event like a pipeline leak. Larger events like hurricanes fill hotels quickly, so the holiday in BO may not be best for larger events. Camping BO––go camping. This is like the holiday in BO but allows you to use public and private campgrounds. The number of locations this adds to your list of locations available makes the camping BO attractive. Camping BO can also be used by those on tight budgets where holiday inn BO is not economically wise. Refugee BO––placing yourself into the care of the .gov. Usually set up for larger events. In-law BO––see holiday BO inn for description, and your in-laws for location. Hobo BO––might be called squatting, trespassing, vagrancy, or other things with unpleasant legal consequences. |
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I am in the same situation. Currently no BOL to go to if things got that bad. I have the skills and preps, but no where to go. Now that being said, I have chosen this for now, because I am debt free and saving to buy a decent BOL when the funds have been saved up to buy it with all cash. I figure within 5 year I can have enough cash to buy exactly what I want. Trouble is, do we have 5 years before anything happens?
Bill On the same note, I would love to get together with a network of people (likeminded, of course) to see about joining together to pool resources. |
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There are many different types of BO. There are many different reasons to BO. Some types holiday inn BO––go to a hotel. This is valid and effective if there is a neighborhood event like a pipeline leak. Larger events like hurricanes fill hotels quickly, so the holiday in BO may not be best for larger events. Camping BO––go camping. This is like the holiday in BO but allows you to use public and private campgrounds. The number of locations this adds to your list of locations available makes the camping BO attractive. Camping BO can also be used by those on tight budgets where holiday inn BO is not economically wise. Refugee BO––placing yourself into the care of the .gov. Usually set up for larger events. In-law BO––see holiday BO inn for description, and your in-laws for location. Hobo BO––might be called squatting, trespassing, vagrancy, or other things with unpleasant legal consequences. PA you can come to my place..and Bug in...with your 4 kids, I got LOTS to keep them little hands busy.. CHEF 
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Quoted: Quoted: There are many different types of BO. There are many different reasons to BO. Some types holiday inn BO––go to a hotel. This is valid and effective if there is a neighborhood event like a pipeline leak. Larger events like hurricanes fill hotels quickly, so the holiday in BO may not be best for larger events. Camping BO––go camping. This is like the holiday in BO but allows you to use public and private campgrounds. The number of locations this adds to your list of locations available makes the camping BO attractive. Camping BO can also be used by those on tight budgets where holiday inn BO is not economically wise. Refugee BO––placing yourself into the care of the .gov. Usually set up for larger events. In-law BO––see holiday BO inn for description, and your in-laws for location. Hobo BO––might be called squatting, trespassing, vagrancy, or other things with unpleasant legal consequences. PA you can come to my place..and Bug in...with your 4 kids, I got LOTS to keep them little hands busy.. CHEF Slavedriver I don't have a BOL, so I'm not bugging out as long as my house is standing
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There are many different types of BO. There are many different reasons to BO. Some types holiday inn BO––go to a hotel. This is valid and effective if there is a neighborhood event like a pipeline leak. Larger events like hurricanes fill hotels quickly, so the holiday in BO may not be best for larger events. Camping BO––go camping. This is like the holiday in BO but allows you to use public and private campgrounds. The number of locations this adds to your list of locations available makes the camping BO attractive. Camping BO can also be used by those on tight budgets where holiday inn BO is not economically wise. Refugee BO––placing yourself into the care of the .gov. Usually set up for larger events. In-law BO––see holiday BO inn for description, and your in-laws for location. Hobo BO––might be called squatting, trespassing, vagrancy, or other things with unpleasant legal consequences. PA you can come to my place..and Bug in...with your 4 kids, I got LOTS to keep them little hands busy.. CHEF
Slavedriver I don't have a BOL, so I'm not bugging out as long as my house is standing That would be Mr Child SlaveDriverr to you....
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No one I know well enough has the same mindset. Everyone in my age bracket is still partying or too uninvolved in politics etc. I guess stayin in as long as possible in the only option. And if the time comes to leave it's "head north until I see nothing for a few days" and hope the land isn't privately owned. Kinda sucks. It seems BOL isn't a luxury of someone my age just yet. Your're not alone my friend. |
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My two cents. I live in the 3rd largest city in the U.S. Its a terror target & Obamas back yard.
Fact is I have nowhere to BO I have enough Beans, Bullets & bandaides to last a while. hunker down, I have a few friends that I know will be heading my way WHEN it goes down. It wouldn't make sense to me to leave UNLESS I must. Here I have my belongings & Shelter. to go pack up the car and be a refugee isn't logical or safe I will only leave when I must. On the flip side people will fllee the city & I will help myself to whatever may be left behind for survival. Watch your six & have watch set up 24/7. People will come together. |
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...where do you plan to go? I've been thinking about this for awhile, if the time comes to leave, whether in a hurry or not, where can someone without BOL go? To be away from people etc. I live in a townhouse about 30minutes from a major city. There is allot of open land within 6 hours me but it's all privately owned. Do you drive out of your state until you find something that looks remote enough? Don't try squating on my place. How is this helpful? Or are you trying to be obnoxious? |
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No one I know well enough has the same mindset. Everyone in my age bracket is still partying or too uninvolved in politics etc. I guess stayin in as long as possible in the only option. And if the time comes to leave it's "head north until I see nothing for a few days" and hope the land isn't privately owned. Kinda sucks. It seems BOL isn't a luxury of someone my age just yet. Your're not alone my friend. Definitely not. |
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itsARanchrifle is simply pointing out people should be polite. Many folks from the cities act as though anything in the country is public property and that they are free to take whatever they wish. Ranchers have already met the idiot tourist that thinks the pasture is a petting zoo. Lets just idiots mess things up for everyone. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ...where do you plan to go? I've been thinking about this for awhile, if the time comes to leave, whether in a hurry or not, where can someone without BOL go? To be away from people etc. I live in a townhouse about 30minutes from a major city. There is allot of open land within 6 hours me but it's all privately owned. Do you drive out of your state until you find something that looks remote enough? Don't try squating on my place. How is this helpful? Or are you trying to be obnoxious? |
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My two cents. I live in the 3rd largest city in the U.S. Its a terror target & Obamas back yard. Fact is I have nowhere to BO I have enough Beans, Bullets & bandaides to last a while. hunker down, I have a few friends that I know will be heading my way WHEN it goes down. It wouldn't make sense to me to leave UNLESS I must. Here I have my belongings & Shelter. to go pack up the car and be a refugee isn't logical or safe I will only leave when I must. On the flip side people will fllee the city & I will help myself to whatever may be left behind for survival. Watch your six & have watch set up 24/7. People will come together. Totally missed the lessons from Katrina, huh? Please take some advice from someone who use to live in Chicago and still travels there many times a year. Chicago goes down like Katrina, where you can help yourself, it will make New Orleans after the storm seem like a great vacation spot. Chicago has ten times the political corruption and inner city entitlements than New Orleans and I'm being very damn conservative on that ten times. Unlike, New Orleans that has natural barriers to its inner city entitlement people, Chicago has none, zero. There's no blocking this bridge and that one and its all contained. Its going to be coming right at you and decades of "They Owe Me" payback time and poor idiots need us to protect them time. Yeah, I know how easy it is there to live away from the trains and feel so safe and isolated. You're not. The minute those trains stop, the learning how to commute other than trains begins. Learned that one in Houston, which has no mass transit for all practical purposes. Their crooks all use cars. So will yours. That isn't going to take a katrina, that just takes hard enough times the trains stop or some of the trains stop. While you are helping yourself to other peoples shit, some guy who believes in the 2nd Amendment and laid low is going lay you and your buddies you joined for mutual defense six foot low, or some frustrated overworked cop/NG overwhelmed and had enough will either waste you or lock you up in Solider Field, all politically correct and not giving a damn what your color is. Your guns like at New Orleans will be in a trailer somewhere that will disappear forever. Believe me, when its time to go, Chicago, where isn't going to be the problem or I should stay the option. Help myself, is exactly who everyone on this forum is preparing against. If there was one thing I learned on 9/11 being stranded that morning via air in Chicago, was if anywhere on Earth I can think of it, 1,000 others will, that's Chicago. For every stupid person there, there's dozens that aren't. Yes, you got that part right. The smart ones will be gone. That just leaves you and a city full of stupid people with a massive Army trying to round them up trying protect them from themselves. "Hey look, a looter trying to help himself." 
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There are many different types of BO. There are many different reasons to BO. Some types holiday inn BO––go to a hotel. This is valid and effective if there is a neighborhood event like a pipeline leak. Larger events like hurricanes fill hotels quickly, so the holiday in BO may not be best for larger events. Camping BO––go camping. This is like the holiday in BO but allows you to use public and private campgrounds. The number of locations this adds to your list of locations available makes the camping BO attractive. Camping BO can also be used by those on tight budgets where holiday inn BO is not economically wise. Refugee BO––placing yourself into the care of the .gov. Usually set up for larger events. In-law BO––see holiday BO inn for description, and your in-laws for location. Hobo BO––might be called squatting, trespassing, vagrancy, or other things with unpleasant legal consequences. PA you can come to my place..and Bug in...with your 4 kids, I got LOTS to keep them little hands busy.. CHEF
Slavedriver I don't have a BOL, so I'm not bugging out as long as my house is standing That would be Mr Child SlaveDriverr to you.... Damn skippy,,kids want to eat, they need to earn it; food never came cheap 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There are many different types of BO. There are many different reasons to BO. Some types holiday inn BO––go to a hotel. This is valid and effective if there is a neighborhood event like a pipeline leak. Larger events like hurricanes fill hotels quickly, so the holiday in BO may not be best for larger events. Camping BO––go camping. This is like the holiday in BO but allows you to use public and private campgrounds. The number of locations this adds to your list of locations available makes the camping BO attractive. Camping BO can also be used by those on tight budgets where holiday inn BO is not economically wise. Refugee BO––placing yourself into the care of the .gov. Usually set up for larger events. In-law BO––see holiday BO inn for description, and your in-laws for location. Hobo BO––might be called squatting, trespassing, vagrancy, or other things with unpleasant legal consequences. PA you can come to my place..and Bug in...with your 4 kids, I got LOTS to keep them little hands busy.. CHEF Slavedriver I don't have a BOL, so I'm not bugging out as long as my house is standing That would be Mr Child SlaveDriverr to you.... Damn skippy,,kids want to eat, they need to earn it; food never came cheap I'll patch your boo-boos for beans or do I have to dig my damn potatoes myself too
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Unless you have established a place in advance, you are better off staying put, maintain a supply and think of how to fortify what you have. This is the correct answer . The Superdome is too far for me to drive to.. I am gonna stay home. If you are going somewhere you need to be prepping that place now. I have been looking at foreclosures with acreage and have found a few. |
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My two cents. I live in the 3rd largest city in the U.S. Its a terror target & Obamas back yard. Fact is I have nowhere to BO I have enough Beans, Bullets & bandaides to last a while. hunker down, I have a few friends that I know will be heading my way WHEN it goes down. It wouldn't make sense to me to leave UNLESS I must. Here I have my belongings & Shelter. to go pack up the car and be a refugee isn't logical or safe I will only leave when I must. On the flip side people will fllee the city & I will help myself to whatever may be left behind for survival. Watch your six & have watch set up 24/7. People will come together. Totally missed the lessons from Katrina, huh? Please take some advice from someone who use to live in Chicago and still travels there many times a year. Chicago goes down like Katrina, where you can help yourself, it will make New Orleans after the storm seem like a great vacation spot. Chicago has ten times the political corruption and inner city entitlements than New Orleans and I'm being very damn conservative on that ten times. Unlike, New Orleans that has natural barriers to its inner city entitlement people, Chicago has none, zero. There's no blocking this bridge and that one and its all contained. Its going to be coming right at you and decades of "They Owe Me" payback time and poor idiots need us to protect them time. Yeah, I know how easy it is there to live away from the trains and feel so safe and isolated. You're not. The minute those trains stop, the learning how to commute other than trains begins. Learned that one in Houston, which has no mass transit for all practical purposes. Their crooks all use cars. So will yours. That isn't going to take a katrina, that just takes hard enough times the trains stop or some of the trains stop. While you are helping yourself to other peoples shit, some guy who believes in the 2nd Amendment and laid low is going lay you and your buddies you joined for mutual defense six foot low, or some frustrated overworked cop/NG overwhelmed and had enough will either waste you or lock you up in Solider Field, all politically correct and not giving a damn what your color is. Your guns like at New Orleans will be in a trailer somewhere that will disappear forever. Believe me, when its time to go, Chicago, where isn't going to be the problem or I should stay the option. Help myself, is exactly who everyone on this forum is preparing against. If there was one thing I learned on 9/11 being stranded that morning via air in Chicago, was if anywhere on Earth I can think of it, 1,000 others will, that's Chicago. For every stupid person there, there's dozens that aren't. Yes, you got that part right. The smart ones will be gone. That just leaves you and a city full of stupid people with a massive Army trying to round them up trying protect them from themselves. "Hey look, a looter trying to help himself."
Tj i'm talking TEOTWAWKI not a one month event. Indeed we learned a lot from Katrina. |
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Quoted: My two cents. I live in the 3rd largest city in the U.S. Its a terror target & Obamas back yard. Fact is I have nowhere to BO I have enough Beans, Bullets & bandaides to last a while. hunker down, I have a few friends that I know will be heading my way WHEN it goes down. It wouldn't make sense to me to leave UNLESS I must. Here I have my belongings & Shelter. to go pack up the car and be a refugee isn't logical or safe I will only leave when I must. On the flip side people will fllee the city & I will help myself to whatever may be left behind for survival. Watch your six & have watch set up 24/7. People will come together. Dude! I bugged out of Chicago in 1987! I went back a couple of times a year for awhile to see if it was getting any better, but it never did. SHTF there when Jane Byrn was mayor and only got worse when Harold Washington ran based on the number of black registered voters because he "refused to run a racist campaign" (seriously, I kid you not!) My advice to you is to bug out now! Avoid the rush. Find a place that's more survivable before the depth of the shit gets up over your chin. For myself, I'm lucky to be in an area where the opportunities for SHTF to run me out are pretty small. Terrorist activity or nuclear war are about it. Flash floods are a problem, but the water goes away pretty quick. Okay, there's the Yellowstone caldera, but, seriously, that thing blows my problems are pretty much over  So I don't really have a viable bugout plan. Everything points to an event hardcore enough to blast me out of my primary turning me into a refugee. |
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I would suggest you try and hook up with some other like minded people who has a BOL. What do you bring to the table? Taking out on your own with no where to go is a really bad idea. How do you find someone like that? I'm assuming most people will go "OMG, OPSEC!!!!111" and not offer to team up. Our plan is to go join family, as we do not have a BOL of our own. We do, however, have some weapons, ammo, and financial resources. Would you consider us good partners? |
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I would suggest you try and hook up with some other like minded people who has a BOL. What do you bring to the table? Taking out on your own with no where to go is a really bad idea. How do you find someone like that? I'm assuming most people will go "OMG, OPSEC!!!!111" and not offer to team up. Our plan is to go join family, as we do not have a BOL of our own. We do, however, have some weapons, ammo, and financial resources. Would you consider us good partners? Do you have provisions for you and family? What else do you bring to the table? Are you a gardner, carpenter, plumber, machinest? Are you prior Mil ? Medical training? willing to work? These are all things that would be considered. Personally I would take you in...
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I would suggest you try and hook up with some other like minded people who has a BOL. What do you bring to the table? Taking out on your own with no where to go is a really bad idea. How do you find someone like that? I'm assuming most people will go "OMG, OPSEC!!!!111" and not offer to team up. Our plan is to go join family, as we do not have a BOL of our own. We do, however, have some weapons, ammo, and financial resources. Would you consider us good partners? Do you have provisions for you and family? What else do you bring to the table? Are you a gardner, carpenter, plumber, machinest? Are you prior Mil ? Medical training? willing to work? These are all things that would be considered. Personally I would take you in...
Not yet (we are new to this and just getting started - 72 hour BOB's are in process). Not much other than a nice BOV. No, we are 40-yr-old techies w/2 little kids. No. No. Yes. In my estimation, we bring liabilities (kids) and not a lot of benefits, other than being smart (learn quickly) and hard working. We have a half dozen pistols, 1 AR, and about 3-4k rounds of ammo. We also have $2k in cash on hand and $10k in silver. Our net worth is pretty good, but most is tied up in retirement. We have access to family land (about 600 acres with cows and some crops), but it's not far outside a reasonable sized town. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would suggest you try and hook up with some other like minded people who has a BOL. What do you bring to the table? Taking out on your own with no where to go is a really bad idea. How do you find someone like that? I'm assuming most people will go "OMG, OPSEC!!!!111" and not offer to team up. Our plan is to go join family, as we do not have a BOL of our own. We do, however, have some weapons, ammo, and financial resources. Would you consider us good partners? Do you have provisions for you and family? What else do you bring to the table? Are you a gardner, carpenter, plumber, machinest? Are you prior Mil ? Medical training? willing to work? These are all things that would be considered. Personally I would take you in... Not yet (we are new to this and just getting started - 72 hour BOB's are in process). Not much other than a nice BOV. No, we are 40-yr-old techies w/2 little kids. No. No. Yes. In my estimation, we bring liabilities (kids) and not a lot of benefits, other than being smart (learn quickly) and hard working. We have a half dozen pistols, 1 AR, and about 3-4k rounds of ammo. We also have $2k in cash on hand and $10k in silver. Our net worth is pretty good, but most is tied up in retirement. We have access to family land (about 600 acres with cows and some crops), but it's not far outside a reasonable sized town. In my opinion, honest people willing to work hard to earn their keep is the best sort of people. |
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...where do you plan to go? I've been thinking about this for awhile, if the time comes to leave, whether in a hurry or not, where can someone without BOL go? To be away from people etc. I live in a townhouse about 30minutes from a major city. There is allot of open land within 6 hours me but it's all privately owned. Do you drive out of your state until you find something that looks remote enough? Don't try squating on my place. Easy to say, much harder to prevent. It most likely wont be one guy and his starving wife. IT will be many guys and their starving families. I know , that's why I have friends coming. |
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...where do you plan to go? I've been thinking about this for awhile, if the time comes to leave, whether in a hurry or not, where can someone without BOL go? To be away from people etc. I live in a townhouse about 30minutes from a major city. There is allot of open land within 6 hours me but it's all privately owned. Do you drive out of your state until you find something that looks remote enough? Don't try squating on my place. How is this helpful? Or are you trying to be obnoxious? He said he was just going to find some land to stay on . Some land owners don't take kindly to that. Are trying to be obnoxius? |
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Quoted: ...where do you plan to go? I've been thinking about this for awhile, if the time comes to leave, whether in a hurry or not, where can someone without BOL go? To be away from people etc. I live in a townhouse about 30minutes from a major city. There is allot of open land within 6 hours me but it's all privately owned. Do you drive out of your state until you find something that looks remote enough? Unclear of your location or demographics (married, kids, age, physical capability, medical problems, etc), so it's hard to say. Assuming, based on one of your other posts, that you're young, you've got time on your side. We're in the camp that doesn't have a BOL of our own, and for a lot of mostly financial reasons likely never will. What we have done is try to make our home as survivable as possible, and have tried within reason to have our finances in order, or at least not out of control. We have a well, pond w/ fish, small parcel of woods, a wood stove that'll keep the small house 70+ in sub-zero temps, garden, fuel tanks, large propane tank that'll run the house/fridge for a year, a generator, tractor, etc. All of this took 15+ years to accumulate, and we're nowhere near being able to afford to duplicate it at a remote location. We have a fixed rate 4.1% mortgage at a local bank, with auto-pay setup from a dedicated savings account at the same bank. We have managed to get 9 months of payments and 1 year of property taxes into this account, and we don't touch it. Every month we try to put in an extra $100-$200 if we can afford to, until it reaches a year. A townhouse near a major city may not be the best solution, especially if you have nowhere else to go. Taking off into the wilderness to live off the land will most likely lead to your (and your family, if applicable) demise. An alternative may not be quick in coming, but rather require some life changes. I don't put much thought to the "find somebody in the HTF to 'adaopt' you" philosophy. It's risky for both the adoptee and adopter. I'll tell you some of our story. Mrs. Slice and I both grew up in small-town Indiana, though different towns. 20 years ago, we lived in an apartment in a Chicago suburb. Drove 45 minutes 1-way to an OK job 7 miles away. Expensive place to live. No freedom or privacy. Hated life up there. Would've bailed at the first sign of trouble, to family. 18 years ago moved to Columbus, OH. Better job, smaller city. Rented a house on the south side. Slaved away for a few years, but mostly same issues. Didn't like it there. Would've bailed not long after first signs of trouble, still to family. 15 years ago moved to a small house on 10 acres outside a small town in IN, about 50 miles away from Cincinasty. Relatively good economic times then, and didn't have kids yet. Took a chance on a job at a small company that I thankfully still have. Won't ever get rich here, but not planning on bailing except in the event it's absolutely necessary. We did this not because of "survivability", but because it's the lifestyle we wanted, and we were young and willing to take the risks associated with the move and career change. After we started our family, we began to think about what we would do if SHTF. Not really organized thought, and didn't have places like this as a resource. Most of the things that would cause us to bug out of our little house are localized events –– house fire, train wreck w/ a chemical spill, tornado, etc. The most likely exception would be a large New Madrid event, which would likely leave us stranded because of destroyed infrastructure. We don't live in a flood plain, no significant risk of forest fire, etc. In one of our bug-out scenarios, we have family in 3 different directions ranging from 25-150 miles. That's plan "B". None of them are as prepared as we are for themselves, let alone guests. We'd have to bring a lot of stuff with us if it were for a long term. A dedicated BOL isn't something that will come either quickly or cheaply. A realistic plan "B" (and "C") on the other hand may be doable. You might also consider your current lifestyle, and if a townhouse is where you want to spend your next 20 years. If not, then start working on an alternative so "bug-in" is more realistic. Make your life plans to suit your lifestyle, and make longer term plans –– and work towards them every paycheck. There's no easy fix... </ramble> Hopefully this helps, -Slice |
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No bailout location, family far far away and now finishing a divorce with two wee kids.
Yes they make great slave workers or as my son proved today, a beekeeper. That being said, i will bug in until absolutely neccasary. Short of a bail out trailer, I could never transport two kids six plus months of food, and other stuff. So add to the transport plan b, c and d.... I can only bug in. I might raise a small army and train them though. :) Bailing to the woods is a bad idea as you can never ruck in enough food to survive if it's anymore then one. Even if you made it to some national forest, how many other campers, bikers, hunters are having the same idea and heading to that remote cabin? How long till the wildlife also e&e out of your ao because they re being hunted to extinction? |
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Quoted: I understand your point, I don't want anyone on my place either.Quoted: ...where do you plan to go? I've been thinking about this for awhile, if the time comes to leave, whether in a hurry or not, where can someone without BOL go? To be away from people etc. I live in a townhouse about 30minutes from a major city. There is allot of open land within 6 hours me but it's all privately owned. Do you drive out of your state until you find something that looks remote enough? Don't try squating on my place. I have visions of a parade of squatters in series and can't imagine what to do when push comes to shove. One can't SSS that often without poisoning the groundwater and having Bosnian and Serbian style mass graves being unearthed in time. I figure it'll be like Sutter's Mill in 1849. You own the land, but get crowded out til it doesn't matter. |
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Yes I am in my mid twenties. Yes I have an SO.
I have a 4x4 BOV, supplies at my current residence for three months. Gas water etc. I am an office worker, I am generally smart and have allot of physical capability as well as theory and smarts involving basic human needs and survival. I am not a codger nor am I a loner who will loot or act inappropriately. I believe mostly in the good nature of certain other humans and would have no problem forming a mutual situation with others. Quoted:
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No one I know well enough has the same mindset. Everyone in my age bracket is still partying or too uninvolved in politics etc. I guess stayin in as long as possible in the only option. And if the time comes to leave it's "head north until I see nothing for a few days" and hope the land isn't privately owned. Kinda sucks. It seems BOL isn't a luxury of someone my age just yet. What state do you live in? I live in up state ny and have really only talked to one person in my area who I believe to be a prepper/survivalist. I met him via 2M. I know several people who are semi prepared but just because their lifestyle leads them to it... Not many though that would have a similar mindset to those that frequent the survival forum here. I wouldn't mind to network with some like minded folks myself. If your in ny shoot me a PM... I currently reside in central Florida. It is mostly owned or built out. The nearest "nowhere" is northern Georgia. I have not found like minded individuals as of yet, in any case it is the ultimate last resort for any of this to come to fruition. I am prepared for the more realistic scenarios such as hurricane and natural disasters, as accommodation elsewhere should be available through a commercial entity. |
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Just some thoughts:
Network. No, don't go to survivalist-match.com. Actually, take the time to get to actually know people. VFW/am legion, scouts, SCA, 4H, masons etc. etc. ad nauseum. Be invovled get to know folks and watch and listen. You might just find some one with similar attitudes. Also, don't limit this to your immediate area. Be willing to travel a few hours and/or work with district councils etc. This lets you meet people outside your immediate area. Actually talk to people and get to know them. you know that guy at the farmers market you buy produce from? he might just have a farm. Chat him up be friendly, ask intelligent questions, if you show up late help him pack up or if early help him set up. My mother does not buy fresh produce in season. A friend of hers from a crafting group has a large farm. Mom helps out with picking flowers she just started out being nice. Now, she gets the run of the fields to pick veggies, corn squash etc. Work your hobbies. Do you like archery? Join your states traditional archery group. Go to the meetings get to know folks. Maybe go hunting with them. Offer to host work shops at your place etc. Hotrods? Same thing. YEs this can take years to develop the right contacts. Yes, at first you will screw up on figuring out who to "break opsec" with. Hence the emphasis on listen and watch folks. Yes, it takes time and effort that you could spend at the range, cleaning your guns or reading the zombie survival guide for 30th time. Yes, you will spend some money on some non-cool stuff. No it isn't easy. But neither is survival and it beats fighting a dozen hells angels for a good camping spot at refugee central. But it also has benefits outside of a possible BOL. I hung out at the same gunshop for years. After a couple years, I got asked to help put some stuff up. It progressed from there to I helped if they were busy, helped the owner put in a wall and covered vacations. I could also buy 2-3K worth of stuff with no money down, no interest just a reciept stapled to a note card in a box. Note––don't be over eager, obsessive etc. You can quickly go from that nice guy to stalker. |