[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Survival 22 thread? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/15/2011 7:03:05 AM EDT
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I thought there was a recent thread canvassing opinions on a good survival 22lr. Can't find it. Help?
Looking to get one to train a new young shooter on, but also one I can keep around as a prep. Semi, bolt, lever, whatever. Just need it to be accurate and reliable. |
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I didn't see the thread, but you can't go wrong with a Ruger 10/22 or any of the Marlin bolt or semiautos. A Winchester 94/22 would also be good.
I've got two Rugers and a Crickett single shot bolt action. The Crickett is perfect for younger shooters and it will kill a squirrell. edited for spelling |
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10/22. Need to know nothing else. uhhh.. except that most modern 10/22s have crappy triggers from the factory. you can build a 10/22 and a packable "survival" gun or set one up as a more conventional rifle with features to make it more suited for "survival", but out of the box... meh. not so hot. the Savage Mark 2 or CZ 452 would be good bolt action options. and there's a few tohers that are decent. there are other semis, but none of them offer the options that are available for the 10/22, but then some people don't seem to want all the options. |
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I thought there was a recent thread canvassing opinions on a good survival 22lr. Can't find it. Help? Looking to get one to train a new young shooter on, but also one I can keep around as a prep. Semi, bolt, lever, whatever. Just need it to be accurate and reliable. Price range? "Survival" use? Game, defense? How young? Weight issue. The major brands are OK in general: Marlin, Ruger, etc. For defense, you should have a semi-auto with detachable magazines. For traveling convenience, a Marlin Papoose is a take-down .22, and rather light. If it helps any, I bought my 8yo daughter a Beretta Neos pistol/rifle kit. It has a stock and 16" barrel as a rifle, or take away the stock and put on a 4" barrel for a pistol. |
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I own 4 rimfires myself (ruger mkII 5.5" pistol, savage mkII bolt heavy barrel, marlin M60, and marlin 795) if I were limited to only one it would be either the ruger pistol or the marlin m60. I did a home trigger job on the marlin and just for kick's I mounted a cheap centerpoint 3-9x32 scope I had laying around(got it for free from a dicks sporting goods gift card I got from purchasing a rifle from them) I was able to muster up a 3/4" group at 50yds, 1 1/4" at 75yds, and right under 2" at 100yds(all 5 shot groups shot off my range bag). then for fun I made 11 out of 15 hits at 150yds on a 4 1/2" steel spin target (1 shot hit the frame just below which would have almost been a 12th hit) this was using bulk federal automatch from a rifle I've had since a little boy. this rifle typically is only shot with irons and there's no rabbit inside of 50yds that has made it alive. the tube feed magzine lessens the chance of damaging or losing mags. I'm by no means a competitive shooter, just your average joe out plinking. and i've only been "long range" 22 shooting for the last few months(with my savage usually)
thats my vote. marlin m60 closely followed by a good 22 pistol. oh and a side note. once you go past the 75yd mark shooting a 22 it's a whole different ball game. really forces you to hone in on the fundamentals, breath control, trigger control, learning elevation windage corrections. and it's suprisingly enjoyable. I love ringing my cheap $22 steel target from 150+yds. squeeze the trigger followed by a bang...pause.....the target rock in the scope....pause....tink! |
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I don't know if Taurus still makes it but they built a Winchester m62 clone that was sweet. It came with a full stock and a youth stock. Nice gun.
ETA- It fed and fired EVERYTHING so it became a dumping ground for a bunch of Remington Bulk Pack ammo I had been stuck with. |
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Quoted: ... the tube feed magzine lessens the chance of damaging or losing mags... Dent or otherwise damage the tube (or lose the plunger, etc.) and the tube-feeder becones a single-shot, at best. Damage or lose a magazine, you can quickly/easily replace it with another magazine (you aren't going to have just one or two mags for a "SHTF" .22, are you?). (Not condemning tube-feeders, FTR, I own several... just sayin'.  ) |
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If it helps any, I bought my 8yo daughter a Beretta Neos pistol/rifle kit. It has a stock and 16" barrel as a rifle, or take away the stock and put on a 4" barrel for a pistol. Just make sure you always put that long barrel on before you put the rifle stock on and/conversely take the stock off before putting the short barrel on. Wouldn't want to illegally make a SBR in the minds of the BATFE.  Another silly law brought to you by your all knowing Gov.
And to the OP, also look at the Henry Hoo1 lever action .22. I think they make a carbine or youth version. Short, lightweight, accurate, and will eat short, long or long rifle ammo. |
| I got my first 10/22 in 1976. Bought my wife one in 2003. I have one under the bed for the grandson when he gets older. Some people say to start your kid on a lever gun/single shot, have him develop skills in lieu of just pulling a trigger but a 10/22 can do the same thing just don't use a fully loaded mag. If SDHTF, these would be three guns I would definately keep. You can get different stock sizes for your needs and as his skills develop the gun can be modified to suit. |
| I bought a Ruger MKII last year and put a Tac Sol upper on it. Easily my most favorite 22 I've ever owned or shot. Accuracy is out of this world even when shot by inexperienced women and children. I sold all my other 22LR (but had to keep my 22 Mag lever gun...) |
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I'll be the odd man out in this discussion.
I like the Browning TakeDown 22 Automatic. Breaks down to fit in pack. Weighs less than five pounds. No magazine to loose. The magazine tube is protected in the stock. Good trigger. Accurate. Generation spanning reliability. It's the one 22 rifle I will never be without. |
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Quoted: Quoted: ... the tube feed magzine lessens the chance of damaging or losing mags... Dent or otherwise damage the tube (or loose the plunger, etc.) and the tube-feeder becones a single-shot, at best. Damage or lose a magazine, you can quickly/easily replace it with another magazine (you aren't going to have just one or two mags for a "SHTF" .22, are you?). (Not condemning tube-feeders, FTR, I own several... just sayin'. )I had to find a replacement plunger for a mod 60 after someone (brother) lost it in a field. |
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My Crickett survival .22
I have since modified the kit a little. I vacuum packed all the items to save space and waterproof them. I also replaced the Potable Aqua with Katadyn tabs for water purification. After testing some birdshot and realizing it was useless on anything larger than a mouse, I decided to replace them with more LR and short rounds. This kit isn't the end all, but it sure is a lot better than nothing and it takes up very little space. The Crickett is an absolute hoot to shoot as well! |
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... the tube feed magzine lessens the chance of damaging or losing mags... Dent or otherwise damage the tube (or lose the plunger, etc.) and the tube-feeder becones a single-shot, at best. Damage or lose a magazine, you can quickly/easily replace it with another magazine (you aren't going to have just one or two mags for a "SHTF" .22, are you?). (Not condemning tube-feeders, FTR, I own several... just sayin'. )
father in law had a tube disappear on him in the woods, from his remington .22 rifle.... its a single shot now. |
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the tube feed magzine lessens the chance of damaging or losing mags. however, if you do manage to damage the tube mag, you're screwed. if you lose or damage a detachable box mag you replace it with another one from your gear. both systems have things going for them... but of the 20-something rimfires i have i think i have one with a tube nag. everything else either has no mag at all, or a detachable box mag. |
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These are the top three, IMHO.
1. Ruger 10/22. They are rugged, reliable, long lasting. 2. Ruger Mark I, II, and III series of pistols. Small but reliable, good game getters. Easily concealable and easy to pack. 3. Springfield Armory M6 Scout rifle. .22 / .410. Dual sport, so-to-speak, best of both worlds. Really hard to go wrong with any one of the three. In true Arfcom fashion, get both, or in this case all three. I did. 
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don't leave out the Henry collapsible 22. it is SWEET http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-survival-ar7.cfm So how does this one compare to the original AR7? Did Henry arms work out the bugs? Are these pretty robust? So far my plan for the .22 part was to take the Browning buckmark and my sons cricket since it was so small. But if these are pretty robust and work then I will look into one of these. |
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Quoted: Quoted: don't leave out the Henry collapsible 22. it is SWEET http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-survival-ar7.cfm So how does this one compare to the original AR7? Did Henry arms work out the bugs? Are these pretty robust? So far my plan for the .22 part was to take the Browning buckmark and my sons cricket since it was so small. But if these are pretty robust and work then I will look into one of these. My only experience with the Henry Survival rifles was with two very early examples, when they first started selling them. Those two were utter crap, especially compared to my two older examp[les of that design (Armalite and Charter Arms, respectively). My understanding is that they have improved over time and the current ones are on a par with other Henry products (excellent, IMO, I am a big fan of the company), but I don't have any first-hand experience with recent/current ones. |
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the tube feed magzine lessens the chance of damaging or losing mags. however, if you do manage to damage the tube mag, you're screwed. if you lose or damage a detachable box mag you replace it with another one from your gear. both systems have things going for them... but of the 20-something rimfires i have i think i have one with a tube nag. everything else either has no mag at all, or a detachable box mag. ok ok. you pushed me over the edge. time to pick up a marlin 795.  been on the fence about one for the last few months. nice thing is short of the mags nearly all the parts are interchangable. so if both went down for some reason I could possibly make one good rifle out of the two. but I highly doubt both would fail.....but you never know.
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Wow, thanks for the input, guys! I should've clarified: the 'youth' I spoke of is a 15 year old who's taller than I am. It's just that he's never shot before and I want to give him the fundamentals on a 22...a 22 that i can also justify as a prep.
Leaning toward the 10/22...but let's say I just go to Wally World and pick up their stock 10/22. What am i going to want to replace on it. One of you mentioned a crap trigger group. Anything else that needs to be upgraded for it to be 'prep-worthy'? I don't don't want ANY bells and whistles. Just a good action, accurate barrel and sights, reliable rifle. And, Hardshell, WHAT was that first collapsible beast you posted? Curiosity very peaked. You might have me filing form 4's again.
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I just put this little package together this week. I have already taken a couple of rabbits with it.
For a 15 y/o, I would go with a an M&P15-22 or an AR w/ .22 conversion. If he's a gamer, he'll want something a bit more tacticool.
eta: $50 blem AGP stock with Krylon Tan and OD painted The sight ($50 T-1 replica) is attached to the front piece of a two piece steel picatinny/weaver rail that a friend gave me. |
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Quoted: ... And, Hardshell, WHAT was that first collapsible beast you posted? Curiosity very peaked. You might have me filing form 4's again. That's just a 10/22, threaded of course, and sporting an old Butler Creek "Packer" stock which allows it to brerak down/reassemble in seconds with no tools (and which was, sadly, discontinued long ago  ). |
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Leaning toward the 10/22...but let's say I just go to Wally World and pick up their stock 10/22. What am i going to want to replace on it. One of you mentioned a crap trigger group. Anything else that needs to be upgraded for it to be 'prep-worthy'? I don't don't want ANY bells and whistles. Just a good action, accurate barrel and sights, reliable rifle. it depends on what you wnat the trigger to be like and what your idea of accuracy is. also what sights you want. unless you get VERY lucky with the trigger, or are just not pickey about triggers you'll probably want to do somehting to upgrade the trigger. just an aftermarket drop in hammer will do it for some people, others want more. just a hammer starts at about $35, a hammer and an adjustable sear is about $60 and if you want to be able to actually adjust the sear without tearing it all apart you'll want the matching trigger blade which takes it up to about $90. iRimfire Tech and Power Custom make drop in parts with adjustable sears ...and i've heard the adjustable sear is needed to get a good pull with the polymer trigger group. if you get the Rimfire Tech parts, they have a torsion spring for the trigger blade for another $8 or so. the OEM return spring is kinda heavy and the system has some friction to it. while you can clean this up by swapping the spring and polishing the plunger, the torsion spring seems like a simpler solution. you don't need to adjust the set screw once you get it dialed in... it just makes setup simpler. do you want iron sights, a scope, or a red dot? if you want irons, i like the Tech Sights, butthat won't work well with a magnified scope, but you could mount he front half of a Picatinny rial on the front of the reciever and mount a micro red dot on that. MWG also sells a mini rail that will work the same. this should co witness, and you get the increased sight radius of having the rear sight on the back of the reciever and not on the back of the barrel. almost every aftermarket barrel will eliminate the sights on the barrel. (unless you go to some lengths to add the front sight base back on the aftermarket barrel you can't run the Tech Sights. unless you run a .920 bull barrel and then there are adapters to mount the front sight. if you're planning on running a decent scope, the OEM iron sights may not be a big issue. as much as i love backup irons, a magnified option on a 10/22 and good iron sights don't seem to coexist well. if you get a bull barrel you'll need to modify the OEM stock or replace it. many people find they get better accuracy without the barrel band. thre are bolt mods that can improve reliability with reduced power ammo and clean up the head space. aftermarket extractors are popular, but if you're not having extraction problems, don't worry about it yet. the oirginal barrel can be reworked to improve accuracy. the normal chamber is quite long to allow use of Stingers and to let it continue running when dirty. some report that the reworked barrels are almost as accurate as the aftermarket "match" barrels and less picky about what ammo they shoot well with then they were before the rework. if you're running ascope, get a bolt buffer. the 10/22 tends to kill scopes without it... and it's nice even on an iron sighted gun. for a KISS rifle, upgraded trigger is $35 to $125 (and up) Tech Sights are $60, the WMG mini rail is $20, or you could chop doen the OEM rial or buy a $12 Picatinny rail, and a Primary Arms micro red dot is $80. there's two sellers on rimfire central with bolt buffers, one has 3 for $12 and the other has 4 for $5. both of those include shipping in the price. |
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I recently sold my 10/22 and replaced it with an M&P 15-22 MOE. My 15-22 is just as accurate as my 10/22 was. The reason for my change in weaponry was to use my 15-22 as an inexpensive work training rifle. I have it set up almost completely identical to my AR. The price of the weapon was very reasonable and is (in my oppinion) way more fun to shoot than my 10/22 ever was. With that said, I still really enjoyed my 10/22 and it is never a bad idea to pick one up.
I am currently looking into purchasing a Ruger 45-22 and suppressing it as a "hiking/backpack" gun in the instance I might need to procure food. I know its highly unlikely, but not impossible. |
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I have recently started the move into .22 rifles and pistols. I have puchased in the last two weeks a Sig 522 and a GSG 1911 in .22. The sig eats any thing that you load into it and has not had a problem thru with around 1K of all kinds of ammo. I shoot quite a bit of .45 in my Kimbers or other guns. With my GSG it has the same size and feel of my 45s and is much cheaper to shoot in practice. With using both of these at the range I find myseld shooting much more often. So I am working on stocking a very large supply of .22 in my ammo cabinets. At about 10K right now and working on more.
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I just put this little package together this week. I have already taken a couple of rabbits with it. http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy322/NVCapCop/10-22tac3.jpg For a 15 y/o, I would go with a an M&P15-22 or an AR w/ .22 conversion. If he's a gamer, he'll want something a bit more tacticool.
What stock is that? |
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I just put this little package together this week. I have already taken a couple of rabbits with it.
For a 15 y/o, I would go with a an M&P15-22 or an AR w/ .22 conversion. If he's a gamer, he'll want something a bit more tacticool.
Awesome!! How is that sight mounted? |
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i emailed AGP Arms about a month ago asking if they had any plans for a tan or FDE stock. i got a reply back that said no... no plans in for anything other than black in the foreseeable future. i don't see anything other than black on their site. is that actually tan/FDE or did you paint it? if it's actually tan/FDE, where did you get it? |
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I just put this little package together this week. I have already taken a couple of rabbits with it. http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy322/NVCapCop/10-22tac3.jpg For a 15 y/o, I would go with a an M&P15-22 or an AR w/ .22 conversion. If he's a gamer, he'll want something a bit more tacticool.
Awesome!! How is that sight mounted? ii'm guessing it's on a chopped down rail, perhaps on the OEM rail. MWG sells a short Picatinny rail for the front of the 10/22. i bought a Picatinny rail from Weaver that i'll be chopping down. Weaver part 430T... but Midway doesn't list it by that number... you've just gotta hunt thru the 10/22 rails. |
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10/22. if you think the trigger is "crappy" (they're not, incidently) then fix it. reliable, great gun. some are better than others. the one i got recently with the polymer trigger group housing was #10 or #12 or nastiness. the used Charger i got with the same housing and the crappy wrinkle paint on the receiver has a decent trigger... and i don't think the PO did anything to it, but it's possible. (never mentioned doing anything to the trigger when i bought it, but the stock screw was loose. i pulled the trigger apart to do an auto bolt release mod and it was all stock parts inside) it all depends on what you're used to. |
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No love for the Remington 597? I have had nothing but good luck with mine. Its cheap, accurate, and so far 100% reliable. Somewhere near 6 or 7 thousand rounds now. reports about the Rem 597 seem to vary greatly. Volquartsen offers a hammer for it, and Rem offers versions with different stocks and barrels including one with the Boyd's SS Evolution stock, but there don't seem to be many aftermarket parts for it. AFAIK, the only mags for it are factory 10rd ers... no hi cap mags. spare parts? 
evidently the rails that the bolt rides on need to be adjusted and they can affect performance. they sell a "tacticool" version, but it's got a 10rd mag and looks like crap IMHO.
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i emailed AGP Arms about a month ago asking if they had any plans for a tan or FDE stock. i got a reply back that said no... no plans in for anything other than black in the foreseeable future. i don't see anything other than black on their site. is that actually tan/FDE or did you paint it? if it's actually tan/FDE, where did you get it? 
$50 blem AGP stock with Krylon Tan and OD The sight ($50 T-1 replica) is attached to the front piece of a two piece steel picatinny/weaver rail that a friend gave me. |
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don't leave out the Henry collapsible 22. it is SWEET http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-survival-ar7.cfm So how does this one compare to the original AR7? Did Henry arms work out the bugs? Are these pretty robust? So far my plan for the .22 part was to take the Browning buckmark and my sons cricket since it was so small. But if these are pretty robust and work then I will look into one of these. My only experience with the Henry Survival rifles was with two very early examples, when they first started selling them. Those two were utter crap, especially compared to my two older examp[les of that design (Armalite and Charter Arms, respectively). My understanding is that they have improved over time and the current ones are on a par with other Henry products (excellent, IMO, I am a big fan of the company), but I don't have any first-hand experience with recent/current ones. Replacing the alloy barrel jacket with whatever flavor of the week plastic they used was the first mistake. Buying magazines from the lowest bidder was the second. I have an Armalite, a Charter, and have had a Survival and a Henry. The Armalite, made in the 60's is the only one worth a damn, and only if you find decent magazines for it. The Charters are a second, but just barely. Early ones were good, late ones were abysmal crap. Everything else are parts gun. The good? If you're going to pack the gun away as part of a sealed or rarely used kit, then the AR-7 is what you want. If you're going to shoot it a lot? Buy a Papoose or 10-22. |
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I need that stock for my take down 10/22. Removable barrel like an AR7 or Marlin Papoose. One day I'll get to finish it and add sights. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/bqnestle/gun%20work/takedown1.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/bqnestle/gun%20work/takedown4.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/bqnestle/gun%20work/takedown3.jpg Brad Awesome |
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Okay, Brad. School us on that barrel. i can't seem to find any QD barrel options that are still available for the 10/22. That and the folding stock would make one heck of a backpacker! It's a factory barrel that I turned down. The collar on the receiver is held on with the factory V block with a small cut through the top. The nut is from a Papoose. On the front of the collar you see that it's cut away on top, like an Uzi barrel. The ring on the barrel lines up with the cut away on the collar and indexes the barrel. You can kind of see the front sight cut on the muzzle end of the barrel. I haven't shot it yet but soon I'm adding a Nodak Spud rear sight/rail combo, building a front sight, and threading the muzzle. After actually seeing a good pic of the AGP stock, I think I'll pick one up for this gun and toss the stock I made in the closet. The stock is actually a factory birch stock with a wooded grip added to it, then an aluminum pig nose adapter screwed to the back of that. It still needs some finish work to fill in the grain and a good paint job but it's functional as is. thanks for the compliments. Brad |