Posted: 6/5/2011 8:08:20 PM EDT
| Does it really make a difference if you use an actual food garde bucket or not if you're useing mylar bags? Would using a new Home Depot bucket work for instance? |
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All depends on how sure about food safety you want to be, really. Plastic offgasses. Mylar isn't a perfect seal, so some of the offgassing will, over time, get into the food. If the price difference between non-food grade and food-grade buckets is enough that you will store less food with food grade than non, I'd consider going with non. If not, pony up for the food grade.  For me, the storage space is more of a premium than the ~$10 a bucket & lid combo. I like the security of knowing that I'm using foodgrade buckets, which could be used for food storage w/o mylar if need be. |
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IIRC any HDPE bucket is a food grade bucket when new.
If something nasty has been stored in it then I would not use it to store food. Copied from another web site... What Is Food Grade Plastic?
The U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA) requires that plastics used in food packaging be of greater purity than plastics used for non-food packaging. This is commonly referred to as food grade plastic. Plastics used to package pharmaceuticals are held to an even higher standard than food grade. Food grade plastic does not contain dyes or recycled plastic deemed harmful to humans. However, this does not mean that food grade plastic cannot contain recycled plastic. The FDA has detailed regulations concerning recycled plastics in food packaging. Another aspect of food grade plastic is matching the appropriate type of plastic to the food in question. Foods that are highly acidic or that contain alcohol or fats can leach plastic additives from the packaging or container into the food. As a result, you should only use plastic containers that are FDA approved for the particular type of food the plastic will come into contact with. Finally, it should be noted that a plastic container can no longer be considered food grade if it has been used to store non-food items like chemicals, paint, or detergent. So by this, any white bucket is good for storing foods especially if your putting it in mylar first. |
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IIRC any HDPE bucket is a food grade bucket when new. If something nasty has been stored in it then I would not use it to store food. Copied from another web site... What Is Food Grade Plastic?
The U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA) requires that plastics used in food packaging be of greater purity than plastics used for non-food packaging. This is commonly referred to as food grade plastic. Plastics used to package pharmaceuticals are held to an even higher standard than food grade. Food grade plastic does not contain dyes or recycled plastic deemed harmful to humans. However, this does not mean that food grade plastic cannot contain recycled plastic. The FDA has detailed regulations concerning recycled plastics in food packaging. Another aspect of food grade plastic is matching the appropriate type of plastic to the food in question. Foods that are highly acidic or that contain alcohol or fats can leach plastic additives from the packaging or container into the food. As a result, you should only use plastic containers that are FDA approved for the particular type of food the plastic will come into contact with. Finally, it should be noted that a plastic container can no longer be considered food grade if it has been used to store non-food items like chemicals, paint, or detergent. So by this, any white bucket is good for storing foods especially if your putting it in mylar first. Not necessarily. HDPE is a type of plastic. The purity of it's original material that meets food grade requirements and whether or not the bucket is produced on a food-grade-certified production line determines whether or not an HDPE bucket is food grade or not. Having said that, I would have no problem using brand new, but not food grade buckets, to store food for long term inside mylar bags. |
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Sapper, as long as it is a new bucket that has not had anything in it to contaminate it, then yes I would store food in it with mylar bags.
The only "difference" I see between using a Home Depot bucket versus a clean food grade bucket is after you open up the mylar bag, you can still safely store food/water in a food grade bucket with out a mylar bag without worrying about toxic contaminants leaking into your food over time. While most of my FS is in food grade buckets, I have used Home Depot buckets with mylar when my local source of food grade buckets ran out and I found myself short. Cheers BT |
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Does it really make a difference if you use an actual food garde bucket or not if you're useing mylar bags? Would using a new Home Depot bucket work for instance? I use mylar and the HD bucket with no worries at all. J- This. $ 3.50 w/removable lid. Brand new. |
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Quoted: Quoted: IIRC any HDPE bucket is a food grade bucket when new. If something nasty has been stored in it then I would not use it to store food. Copied from another web site... What Is Food Grade Plastic? The U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA) requires that plastics used in food packaging be of greater purity than plastics used for non-food packaging. This is commonly referred to as food grade plastic. Plastics used to package pharmaceuticals are held to an even higher standard than food grade. Food grade plastic does not contain dyes or recycled plastic deemed harmful to humans. However, this does not mean that food grade plastic cannot contain recycled plastic. The FDA has detailed regulations concerning recycled plastics in food packaging. Another aspect of food grade plastic is matching the appropriate type of plastic to the food in question. Foods that are highly acidic or that contain alcohol or fats can leach plastic additives from the packaging or container into the food. As a result, you should only use plastic containers that are FDA approved for the particular type of food the plastic will come into contact with. Finally, it should be noted that a plastic container can no longer be considered food grade if it has been used to store non-food items like chemicals, paint, or detergent. So by this, any white bucket is good for storing foods especially if your putting it in mylar first. Not necessarily. HDPE is a type of plastic. The purity of it's original material that meets food grade requirements and whether or not the bucket is produced on a food-grade-certified production line determines whether or not an HDPE bucket if food grade or not. Having said that, I would have no problem using brand new, but not food grade buckets, to store food for long term inside mylar bags. Well what does food grade mean Lots of reading on the FDA web site..... If your using a bucket that previously held food ( ie: evil red plastic pickle buckets) or is new( ie: homer bucket) and your using mylar bags, your food will be fine. of course some one will now show up and say that mylar breaks down in the poison after a 200 year half life. are the rubber gaskets food grade in the buckets? did you use a food grade sealer? ohh the horror....we better not pack any food at all for fear of instant death.... who ate lunch with out washing their hands today? |
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Food grade means it's food grade, regardless of the material. It's defined by both the material and the way it's processed and manufactured and then subsequently used. Read the stuff you're quoting, it doesn't mention HDPE, it talks about material and how it's processed.
HDPE is a material. Which, depending on how it's processed and manufactured may or may not be food grade. Olive oil buckets will be food grade; paint buckets may or may not be food grade depending on what the manufacturer decides (probably not), plus it's subsequent use, for paint, makes it non-food grade. Hence, the statement that "new HDPE buckets are food grade" is not correct, which is what I was referring to. |
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And I also think when they say food grade, it means food actually being in contact with the plastic of the bucket, like whith the 5 gallon pickle buckets.
My opinion(yes I know the saying about those) is if your using a mylar bag inside a bucket , then any bucket will work unless something noxious was stored in it previously. |
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Quoted: And I also think when they say food grade, it means food actually being in contact with the plastic of the bucket, like whith the 5 gallon pickle buckets. My opinion(yes I know the saying about those) is if your using a mylar bag inside a bucket , then any bucket will work unless something noxious was stored in it previously. pick up a pickle bucket let me see the fda/usda/ food grade label ive seen one label/stamp on one piece of HDPE 2 plastic.........that was attached to a PET1 container...... the bold is what we all need to keep in mind when self packing food. clean/new bucket or clean used bucket that didnt hold anything toxic( ie pickle/icing buckets) |
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Quoted: Note the FDA wouldn't require food already packaged in mylar to be packed in food grade buckets. Similar, food packed in boxes does not have to be packed in food grade trucks (but the truck can't be carrying poison either) Are you saying you trust the government to be right about this?  |