[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Concertina wire.... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/7/2011 8:49:01 AM EDT
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I had never considered it before, but now that I got some in at the shop I am considering taking about 5 rolls home.
I live in a neighborhood that has one road in and out, and 2 rolls could block the road well enough to stop anyone on wheels, yet be pulled aside if needed to allow traffic in and out. It would allow a couple armed people to much better secure the entrance to the neighborhood. Same goes for my driveway, and the lower entrance for the home. What do you guys think- reasonable prep, or going overboard? Would it give a message of "move on, don't fuck with these folks" or "Must be good stuff there, work harder to get in"? |
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If you do get some make sure to get at least two pairs of gauntlets to go with it. Yes there are handles on the ends but you will need to bounce it out in the middle and that shit is like a dull knife that you always seem to cut yourself with. Ohh yeah. I have the guantlets- 18 years in a Combat Engineer Bn, so I learned that lesson long ago. When we unloaded it all here at the shop they were quite priceless, and I have warned everyone who purchased some the same thing. |
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I saw that on your site. Was thinking about some myself. Was wondering - how many feet in a roll? By the book you can stretch it out 50 feet, but that gives 18 inches between rolls. A more realistic number is about 35 feet per roll, giving you 10-12" between loops. |
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I'm not so sure about across the road, but establishing a close perimeter I could see. BTW, I like you on-line store's new look. Don't know when you did that but it looks great Thanks. Did that a few weeks ago, I am slowly learning what the hell I am doing... |
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I'm not so sure about across the road, but establishing a close perimeter I could see. BTW, I like you on-line store's new look. Don't know when you did that but it looks great Thanks. Did that a few weeks ago, I am slowly learning what the hell I am doing... We were trying to send someone in GD there for nech gaitors this morning and I was  . It really makes a difference.
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I would definitely have and use some concertina wire - can't beat it.
For stopping/limiting traffic, I have an old volvo that will block my driveway. You may want to use a car/truck to block have the road and the concertina wire for the other half. If it's TEOTWAWKI, then I plan on dropping cars and trees across the local roads to limit access. Many of my neighbors, and me, have tractors, so moving cars and logs won't be a problem. |
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Quoted: Just had a flashback to cutting that tangled stuff out from under a HUMVEE... I hated that shit. It stops vehicles pretty good, but unless it's stacked pretty high, it's easy to just step on the part that's welded/soldered together and walk right over it. Wow. Experience is everything. I'd have done it completely wrong. Thanks for the info. |
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Question from a non military guy What is the difference between concertina wire and the rolls of barbed wire that you use for livestock fencing? Is it that it stays in "loop" form? Fencing wire is just one strand, concentina wire is several strands tacked together to make a "tube" that will stand by itself with out any support. 
Hope that makes sense. maybe someone else can describe it better. |
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In times of peace it seems overboard. In times of survival it seems a bit militant. In times of war I'd want twice what you could get your hands on.
If its free to you I'd take a roll or 3 home and stash it in the back of the garage, why not? I sure wouldnt pull it out and string it up just because we lost power for a day, it'd have to be pretty frickin bad but if it was that bad I'd probably be glad for it. |
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I'm not so sure about across the road, but establishing a close perimeter I could see. BTW, I like you on-line store's new look. Don't know when you did that but it looks great Got a link? Old Grouch Surplus It's the OP's sig line 
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Question from a non military guy What is the difference between concertina wire and the rolls of barbed wire that you use for livestock fencing? Is it that it stays in "loop" form? Fencing wire is just one strand, concentina wire is several strands tacked together to make a "tube" that will stand by itself with out any support. http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad314/Lungbuster_photos/040527-F-4539R-002.jpg Hope that makes sense. maybe someone else can describe it better. Concertina wire also has some razor-sharp two-pronged blades on it instead of the plain barbs regular barbed wire has. Concertina is MUCH worse to mess with than barbed wire. |
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In times of peace it seems overboard. In times of survival it seems a bit militant. In times of war I'd want twice what you could get your hands on. If its free to you I'd take a roll or 3 home and stash it in the back of the garage, why not? I sure wouldnt pull it out and string it up just because we lost power for a day, it'd have to be pretty frickin bad but if it was that bad I'd probably be glad for it. My thoughts are more along the lines of post disaster when the looters come out more than anything. As other have said, this stuff will stop a vehicle with ease. And it is as much, in my eyes, about the image it projects to looters as it is the physical barrier. Looters and thugs want weak targets, concertina backed up by a few armed men at the neighborhood entrance says "move on to some other place" to me.... |
| I can't see any reason not to have some. It will absolutely shut down vehicle traffic, or in worst case if you have to screen any vehicles coming into the neighborhood, you can easily set up a road block with some. It's amazing that it only takes four layers of that stuff to stop just about any track vehicle in the world. |
| Well worth having. The same with barb wire. A good method for a road block that is permanent is drop two tree from other sides of the road into each other and leave them connected to the stump. Oaks work great for this especially if you add barb wire to the mix. For temporary road blocks that can be opened or closed use vehicals in the arrow head position this stop most vehicals. |
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ok.. here is buck19delta's class on concertina wire...... this should answer some questions. first wire examples.
1. barbed wire. leather gloves for working with it.....uses... its easy to employ, its great to use for tanglefoot, ( running about 6-8 inches high, in a grid to stakes to trip people, should be used in grass to hide it. also good for fences, to slow advances of troops, its really best use is as tanglefoot. its poky, and will cause you a few scratches. 
2. concertina wire. .............steel reinforced gloves are needed to work with it safely. ..uses. great for limiting entry for people, AND vehicles. its in a tight coil, you grab it, and can quickly cover a road with it. concertina wire, actually closely resembles a slinky, yes, the toy. you open the compressed roll, and basically grab a end, and yank it up and down, and pull, kinda like you do a long gargen hose, it will unkink, and open up, like stretching out a slinky. its reasonably effective. when PROPERLY, emplaced, in a triple strand configuration, ( 3 rows stacked), its a bitch to cross, and you need to throw a heavy object, ( tree, log, 2x12, and walk across it, this is very difficult when barbed with is used to help support it), it will cut you, and give you nasty shallow cuts, and cuts your clothes into pieces. the worst obstical i EVER, encountered, was a row of concertina wire, which had blackberries growing thru it. it was impossible to pull, if the wire didnt grab me, the blackberry vines did. it was a bad day. this wire will stop a car, a truck, a apc, and even a tank. it will wrap around a axle, and tighten until it seizes the engine, or shreds the tires. 
3. razor wire............there are no gloves i know of, that can be used safely with this wire, it slices right thru the concertina gloves...... this is the really nasty one. IT CAN KILL YOU. its usually used on top of prison fences, it will cut you very deeply, and can actually cut you bad enough to bleed out. the army has it still around, in rolls like concertina. very, very nasty. 
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Quoted: ok.. here is buck19delta's class on concertina wire...... this should answer some questions. first wire examples. 1. barbed wire. leather gloves for working with it.....uses... its easy to employ, its great to use for tanglefoot, ( running about 6-8 inches high, in a grid to stakes to trip people, should be used in grass to hide it. also good for fences, to slow advances of troops, its really best use is as tanglefoot. its poky, and will cause you a few scratches. http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/barbedwire.jpg 2. concertina wire. .............steel reinforced gloves are needed to work with it safely. ..uses. great for limiting entry for people, AND vehicles. its in a tight coil, you grab it, and can quickly cover a road with it. concertina wire, actually closely resembles a slinky, yes, the toy. you open the compressed roll, and basically grab a end, and yank it up and down, and pull, kinda like you do a long gargen hose, it will unkink, and open up, like stretching out a slinky. its reasonably effective. when PROPERLY, emplaced, in a triple strand configuration, ( 3 rows stacked), its a bitch to cross, and you need to throw a heavy object, ( tree, log, 2x12, and walk across it, this is very difficult when barbed with is used to help support it), it will cut you, and give you nasty shallow cuts, and cuts your clothes into pieces. the worst obstical i EVER, encountered, was a row of concertina wire, which had blackberries growing thru it. it was impossible to pull, if the wire didnt grab me, the blackberry vines did. it was a bad day. this wire will stop a car, a truck, a apc, and even a tank. it will wrap around a axle, and tighten until it seizes the engine, or shreds the tires. http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/concertinewire.jpg http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/un-navy.jpg http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/Pyramid-Triple-Concertina-Coil.jpg 3. razor wire............there are no gloves i know of, that can be used safely with this wire, it slices right thru the concertina gloves...... this is the really nasty one. IT CAN KILL YOU. its usually used on top of prison fences, it will cut you very deeply, and can actually cut you bad enough to bleed out. the army has it still around, in rolls like concertina. very, very nasty. http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/razorwire.jpg Great info, thanks! |
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ok.. here is buck19delta's class on concertina wire...... this should answer some questions. first wire examples. 1. barbed wire. leather gloves for working with it.....uses... its easy to employ, its great to use for tanglefoot, ( running about 6-8 inches high, in a grid to stakes to trip people, should be used in grass to hide it. also good for fences, to slow advances of troops, its really best use is as tanglefoot. its poky, and will cause you a few scratches. http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/barbedwire.jpg 2. concertina wire. .............steel reinforced gloves are needed to work with it safely. ..uses. great for limiting entry for people, AND vehicles. its in a tight coil, you grab it, and can quickly cover a road with it. concertina wire, actually closely resembles a slinky, yes, the toy. you open the compressed roll, and basically grab a end, and yank it up and down, and pull, kinda like you do a long gargen hose, it will unkink, and open up, like stretching out a slinky. its reasonably effective. when PROPERLY, emplaced, in a triple strand configuration, ( 3 rows stacked), its a bitch to cross, and you need to throw a heavy object, ( tree, log, 2x12, and walk across it, this is very difficult when barbed with is used to help support it), it will cut you, and give you nasty shallow cuts, and cuts your clothes into pieces. the worst obstical i EVER, encountered, was a row of concertina wire, which had blackberries growing thru it. it was impossible to pull, if the wire didnt grab me, the blackberry vines did. it was a bad day. this wire will stop a car, a truck, a apc, and even a tank. it will wrap around a axle, and tighten until it seizes the engine, or shreds the tires. http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/concertinewire.jpg http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/un-navy.jpg http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/Pyramid-Triple-Concertina-Coil.jpg 3. razor wire............there are no gloves i know of, that can be used safely with this wire, it slices right thru the concertina gloves...... this is the really nasty one. IT CAN KILL YOU. its usually used on top of prison fences, it will cut you very deeply, and can actually cut you bad enough to bleed out. the army has it still around, in rolls like concertina. very, very nasty. http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/razorwire.jpg Thanks Buck! |
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What is the stored size of a roll of this stuff? Whats the cost? Once unrolled is it easy to repack? This is 18 rolls of factory new stuff on my trailer. When you use it like anything it never packs up quite as tight as it did new, maybe twice as thick for a repacked roll if you are not used to handling it, less with practice. 
As for cost check the survival gear forum of the EE 
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http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-06-29/1246227146087.jpg I think that about sums it up. 
I was driving for the company XO once, and he didn't want to get out and ground guide, and I as a boot didn't think to make him. Took us 1 1/2 hours to cut the humvee out. this is a perfect example of how to use the wire, and what happend when you get to close to it... i have actually had to physically cut guys out of the wire. they got tangled like the pictured soldier, kept trying to get lose, panacked and fell down/ tripped, then were trapped like a rat. we had to cut a lot of wire, with small bolt cutters to get them out. if your being shot at, and trying to cross it, without the proper tools,... your fucked.......... and by the way, the size of the wire pictured, you would need to put a telephone pole onto it, to squish it enough to walk across the pole. anyone know the best, most awesome method to cross a wire obsticle PROPERLY, during a attack? anyone? anyone..... here is one example. this is also a way we clear a path thru a minefield. a rocket fires, dragging a long tube of c4. the charge is about 100 meters long, when it deploys and hits the ground, BOOM, cuts a hole through ANY wife obsticle large enough to drive thru, and destroys all mines along its path.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jab7rnIL0 ESPECIALLY 1.41 PERFECT SHOT. the USUAL way grunts get thru wire, for a assault. is you sneak up, and slide a bangalore torpedo, thru the wire. its a pipe, filled with c4, you screw as many as needed together, and slide them thru the wire, then set the charge. it will blow a nice big hole right thru any amount of wire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOC-E3qIsUQ start watching at 2;50 minutes.. shows exactly how they are used. perfect example of a bangalore torpedo in use. from saving private ryan. |
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Quoted: The slow sneaky way?Quoted: http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-06-29/1246227146087.jpg I think that about sums it up. I was driving for the company XO once, and he didn't want to get out and ground guide, and I as a boot didn't think to make him. Took us 1 1/2 hours to cut the humvee out. anyone know the best, most awesome method to cross a wire obsticle PROPERLY, during a attack? anyone? anyone..... 1-2 guys crawl under it, and poke it up with thier rifles for everyone else to crawl under. (Done this plenty of times in training) The fast way? Sacrifice. You take a flying leap, cover your face, and everyone runs across you. (Never did it) Makes it a real bitch if there's tanglefoot in front of it (regular barbed wire laid on the ground in front to snag feet and land people in the triple strand). My Platoon carried a strand tied off to the hood of every vehicle and we practiced setting it up all the time. The more you work with it, the easier it is to work around. |
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From the picture the razor wire looks like it's sharp along the entire length rather than just the barbs. This correct? It isn't really sharpened like a razor, but the barbs are thin enough that it can cut. The points are the main cutting point, and the barb being much bigger it will cut much deeper than regular concertina when you get hung up in it. |
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I had never considered it before, but now that I got some in at the shop I am considering taking about 5 rolls home. I live in a neighborhood that has one road in and out, and 2 rolls could block the road well enough to stop anyone on wheels, yet be pulled aside if needed to allow traffic in and out. It would allow a couple armed people to much better secure the entrance to the neighborhood. Same goes for my driveway, and the lower entrance for the home. What do you guys think- reasonable prep, or going overboard? Would it give a message of "move on, don't fuck with these folks" or "Must be good stuff there, work harder to get in"? Good stuff, get some heavy duty gloves. I still have my C wire gloves from Desert Storm. Make some "X" slats out of wood and attach them to the ends, makes them easier to move around and emplace. Staple gun some 550 cord loops for handles to move the ends around. |
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In times of peace it seems overboard. In times of survival it seems a bit militant. In times of war I'd want twice what you could get your hands on. If its free to you I'd take a roll or 3 home and stash it in the back of the garage, why not? I sure wouldnt pull it out and string it up just because we lost power for a day, it'd have to be pretty frickin bad but if it was that bad I'd probably be glad for it. My thoughts are more along the lines of post disaster when the looters come out more than anything. As other have said, this stuff will stop a vehicle with ease. And it is as much, in my eyes, about the image it projects to looters as it is the physical barrier. Looters and thugs want weak targets, concertina backed up by a few armed men at the neighborhood entrance says "move on to some other place" to me.... Yup, deterrence, he haz it. |
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http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-06-29/1246227146087.jpg I think that about sums it up.
I was driving for the company XO once, and he didn't want to get out and ground guide, and I as a boot didn't think to make him. Took us 1 1/2 hours to cut the humvee out. Damn, I posted before reading that! LOL |
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http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-06-29/1246227146087.jpg I think that about sums it up.
I was driving for the company XO once, and he didn't want to get out and ground guide, and I as a boot didn't think to make him. Took us 1 1/2 hours to cut the humvee out. this is a perfect example of how to use the wire, and what happend when you get to close to it... i have actually had to physically cut guys out of the wire. they got tangled like the pictured soldier, kept trying to get lose, panacked and fell down/ tripped, then were trapped like a rat. we had to cut a lot of wire, with small bolt cutters to get them out. if your being shot at, and trying to cross it, without the proper tools,... your fucked.......... and by the way, the size of the wire pictured, you would need to put a telephone pole onto it, to squish it enough to walk across the pole. anyone know the best, most awesome method to cross a wire obsticle PROPERLY, during a attack? anyone? anyone..... here is one example. this is also a way we clear a path thru a minefield. a rocket fires, dragging a long tube of c4. the charge is about 100 meters long, when it deploys and hits the ground, BOOM, cuts a hole through ANY wife obsticle large enough to drive thru, and destroys all mines along its path.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3jab7rnIL0 ESPECIALLY 1.41 PERFECT SHOT. the USUAL way grunts get thru wire, for a assault. is you sneak up, and slide a bangalore torpedo, thru the wire. its a pipe, filled with c4, you screw as many as needed together, and slide them thru the wire, then set the charge. it will blow a nice big hole right thru any amount of wire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOC-E3qIsUQ start watching at 2;50 minutes.. shows exactly how they are used. perfect example of a bangalore torpedo in use. from saving private ryan. I love bangalores. I thought they had Comp B though? It's been a while since I worked with them so I could be wrong. |
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http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-06-29/1246227146087.jpg I think that about sums it up.
I was driving for the company XO once, and he didn't want to get out and ground guide, and I as a boot didn't think to make him. Took us 1 1/2 hours to cut the humvee out. anyone know the best, most awesome method to cross a wire obsticle PROPERLY, during a attack? anyone? anyone..... 1-2 guys crawl under it, and poke it up with thier rifles for everyone else to crawl under. (Done this plenty of times in training) The fast way? Sacrifice. You take a flying leap, cover your face, and everyone runs across you. (Never did it) Makes it a real bitch if there's tanglefoot in front of it (regular barbed wire laid on the ground in front to snag feet and land people in the triple strand). My Platoon carried a strand tied off to the hood of every vehicle and we practiced setting it up all the time. The more you work with it, the easier it is to work around. We'd take the cammie netting fabric carrying pouch, roll it up, and use it to throw over the C wire to breach the line. Or the old wool blankets. Supply hated us. |
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It's an anti-personnel device, not anti-vehicle. Save it for its intended use. There are other obstacles you can use to restrict vehicle movement. Namely (in a neighborhood) other vehicles.
Save the razor wire for building or other antipersonnel use. And yeah, extra gauntlets are a must. They wear through fast. Personally, I hated working with the stuff. Do enough of it and you end up geting sliced up no matter how careful you are. |