Posted: 1/17/2011 4:15:19 PM EDT
Well I thought about posting this in another forum but this one seems to fit me well  . I was inventorying my ammunition today and I started to wonder something. For preps (not carry preSHTF) would you rather stock up on more FMJ bullets or have significantly less SD ammo? I have a three hundred HP rounds for my .45's (Winchester PDX1) and about 220 rounds for my wife's 9mm (CorBon DPX). Most of my rifle ammo is FMJ with a few boxes of Hornady TAP for my AR-15. I have what I think is a decent stock pile of FMJ for our pistols but am wondering if I should buy more FMJ or concentrate on HP ammo for our pistols?
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| I just started to reload, however the hollow point bullets are pricey too. Just wondering if it is worth the extra expense to have them in a SHTF scenario. I mean if mobs are trying to get on my farm and take my cows; having a bullet that might over penetrate won't be as big of a concern, right??? |
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I worry less about over penetration than I do about adequate internal damage to whatever needs to be shot. The 9mm and .45 Colt cast bullets above penetrated adequately per current standards and would have created far more damage to tissue than solids or FMJ. I haven't had time to test the others, but I suspect they will do the same. FMJ is better for penetration, HP is better for stopping threats or game animals. |
| I know that I will probably get flammed for this but - buy ammunition that goes bang when you pull the trigger and feeds and ejects flawlessly EVERY TIME. A high degreee of "consistency" (tight groups) is also desireable. Don't worry about HP vs FMJ - worry about missing... Take the money you may save buying FMJ (instead of JHP) and spend it on training. |
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JHP only cost a little more the FMJ if you know where to look! I can buy 1,000 230gr JHP for about $176.00 ! THIS IS FOR BULLETS NOT LOADED AMMO!
If you reload you will be spending as much money on your reloaded JHP as you would if you bought FMJ for the most part. When SHTF really having all the + in your place is the best way to go right!? Send me an IM if you like the price of the JHP above and I'll send you the link! Edited to add in red! |
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I know that I will probably get flammed for this but - buy ammunition that goes bang when you pull the trigger and feeds and ejects flawlessly EVERY TIME. A high degreee of "consistency" (tight groups) is also desireable. Don't worry about HP vs FMJ - worry about missing... Take the money you may save buying FMJ (instead of JHP) and spend it on training. don't worry so much about getting flamed in tech forums. this isn't the GD, we don't typically tolerate trolls and they don't typically come here to play. that being said, i agree with your analysis. i personally stock what feeds. i do keep some SD rounds, but i stock pile what feeds and what i can afford. |
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Quoted: I worry less about over penetration than I do about adequate internal damage to whatever needs to be shot. The 9mm and .45 Colt cast bullets above penetrated adequately per current standards and would have created far more damage to tissue than solids or FMJ. I haven't had time to test the others, but I suspect they will do the same. FMJ is better for penetration, HP is better for stopping threats or game animals. Agree with this. Something is better than nothing. But, the right tool for the job is better. We have both  (not-so) interesting story: We had a possum problem for a while. One time, medium sized possum, 16" AR w/ M193, about 15 yards: 12 shots (all hits) for him to stop moving. Next time, same sized possum, Sig P229 155gn .40 Hydroshock, about 12 yards: No movement after 2 shots I was amazed hot tough those damn things were. If you're shooting possums, I'd go HP  -Slice |
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I think it's going to be a function of how much money you have on hand.
For some people, HP vs JHP means having 250 rounds on hand instead of 500. For a lot of people in here, it means buying a few less cases of beer or passing up on some football tickets. Of course, as time goes by more guys are going to move from the latter to the former. |
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I buy what I can, I have "Grab me first can" (yes it is even written on the top, side , and front of the can to grab first) that has 180rds of 9mm FMJ, 300rds of 75gr BTHP, and 300rds of 62gr greentip. it is actually in a vietnam buttpack, but you get the idea. the reason it is HP is because i can shoot out to longer distances with it than my 55gr factory loads.
The only hollowpoint stuff i really buy or load is for my longrange rigs. I'm of the new school training that carbines are for cqb and fighting and handguns are or "digging" targets out from behind cover or to cover your ass if your primary goes down. So my handgun is almost always loaded with 147gr FMJ (it is the only stock 9mm that stays subsonic with out being a backed off round). Now, all that being said I shoot probably more than 90% on this forum excluding he IPSC/IDPA guys. I very well know my platforms, what range i can use them, and exactly what mediums they will go through and won't. I train under the highest stress level I can in order to push myself. Shot placement s more important then bullet type. In the words of a very good friend of mine who has spent more time in firefights than I may of been on the earth, "you kill someone by loss of blood. Sure i can make one, pretty, medium sized hole, or I can pepper his ass untill he bleeds from lots of holes. A wounded man can patch one hole. try patching 6." SO.... In short, buy good quality, brass cased (steel case stuff rust in combat conditionsgreat for training though) and buy a lot of it. |
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You know the question you just asked exemplifies the beauty of the .45 caliber more than about anything.
The guns reputation and history is based on the FMJ and its known to be a man stopper. What that means to us is when it comes to ammo stashes we have way more latitude on ammo selection. Tj |
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(not-so) interesting story: We had a possum problem for a while. One time, medium sized possum, 16" AR w/ M193, about 15 yards: 12 shots (all hits) for him to stop moving. Next time, same sized possum, Sig P229 155gn .40 Hydroshock, about 12 yards: No movement after 2 shots I was amazed hot tough those damn things were. If you're shooting possums, I'd go HP
-Slice Try it with a .22 pistol. Two 10 round mags and the little $#!* was still crawling toward me. A .38 loaded with FMJ loads did better on another possum, but the first hit only made him twitch, then slowly turn his head to the side while snarling at me with blood trickling out of his mouth (must have clipped his windpipe). The second hit broke his shoulder, and really made him mad. The remaining four rounds finished him off. The next possum will probably get a 12 gauge slug. I'm through with being conservative when dealing with possums. But 230 grain JHP .45acp will drop a groundhog in it's tracks, with a single shot to the neck, just under the jaw. |
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(not-so) interesting story: We had a possum problem for a while. One time, medium sized possum, 16" AR w/ M193, about 15 yards: 12 shots (all hits) for him to stop moving. Next time, same sized possum, Sig P229 155gn .40 Hydroshock, about 12 yards: No movement after 2 shots I was amazed hot tough those damn things were. If you're shooting possums, I'd go HP
-Slice Try it with a .22 pistol. Two 10 round mags and the little $#!* was still crawling toward me. A .38 loaded with FMJ loads did better on another possum, but the first hit only made him twitch, then slowly turn his head to the side while snarling at me with blood trickling out of his mouth (must have clipped his windpipe). The second hit broke his shoulder, and really made him mad. The remaining four rounds finished him off. The next possum will probably get a 12 gauge slug. I'm through with being conservative when dealing with possums. But 230 grain JHP .45acp will drop a groundhog in it's tracks, with a single shot to the neck, just under the jaw. Bullet placement is everything. A .22 LR will kill a possum in one shot if you hit it correctly. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: (not-so) interesting story: We had a possum problem for a while. One time, medium sized possum, 16" AR w/ M193, about 15 yards: 12 shots (all hits) for him to stop moving. Next time, same sized possum, Sig P229 155gn .40 Hydroshock, about 12 yards: No movement after 2 shots I was amazed hot tough those damn things were. If you're shooting possums, I'd go HP -Slice Try it with a .22 pistol. Two 10 round mags and the little $#!* was still crawling toward me. A .38 loaded with FMJ loads did better on another possum, but the first hit only made him twitch, then slowly turn his head to the side while snarling at me with blood trickling out of his mouth (must have clipped his windpipe). The second hit broke his shoulder, and really made him mad. The remaining four rounds finished him off. The next possum will probably get a 12 gauge slug. I'm through with being conservative when dealing with possums. But 230 grain JHP .45acp will drop a groundhog in it's tracks, with a single shot to the neck, just under the jaw. Bullet placement is everything. A .22 LR will kill a possum in one shot if you hit it correctly. Hey Lump, agree, but their brain is about the size of a pea. Anything other than that pretty much just pisses them off until they bleed to death. OP, sorry for the hijack. -Slice |
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(not-so) interesting story: We had a possum problem for a while. One time, medium sized possum, 16" AR w/ M193, about 15 yards: 12 shots (all hits) for him to stop moving. Next time, same sized possum, Sig P229 155gn .40 Hydroshock, about 12 yards: No movement after 2 shots I was amazed hot tough those damn things were. If you're shooting possums, I'd go HP
-Slice Try it with a .22 pistol. Two 10 round mags and the little $#!* was still crawling toward me. A .38 loaded with FMJ loads did better on another possum, but the first hit only made him twitch, then slowly turn his head to the side while snarling at me with blood trickling out of his mouth (must have clipped his windpipe). The second hit broke his shoulder, and really made him mad. The remaining four rounds finished him off. The next possum will probably get a 12 gauge slug. I'm through with being conservative when dealing with possums. But 230 grain JHP .45acp will drop a groundhog in it's tracks, with a single shot to the neck, just under the jaw. Bullet placement is everything. A .22 LR will kill a possum in one shot if you hit it correctly. A .22 pistol with a 3.5" barrel doesn't have much in the way of muzzle velocity or projectile weight. Yes, a hit in the right spot will kill a possum, but one of those shots with the .22 pistol did hit it's head, and it was still crawling. |
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(not-so) interesting story: We had a possum problem for a while. One time, medium sized possum, 16" AR w/ M193, about 15 yards: 12 shots (all hits) for him to stop moving. Next time, same sized possum, Sig P229 155gn .40 Hydroshock, about 12 yards: No movement after 2 shots I was amazed hot tough those damn things were. If you're shooting possums, I'd go HP
-Slice Try it with a .22 pistol. Two 10 round mags and the little $#!* was still crawling toward me. A .38 loaded with FMJ loads did better on another possum, but the first hit only made him twitch, then slowly turn his head to the side while snarling at me with blood trickling out of his mouth (must have clipped his windpipe). The second hit broke his shoulder, and really made him mad. The remaining four rounds finished him off. The next possum will probably get a 12 gauge slug. I'm through with being conservative when dealing with possums. But 230 grain JHP .45acp will drop a groundhog in it's tracks, with a single shot to the neck, just under the jaw. Bullet placement is everything. A .22 LR will kill a possum in one shot if you hit it correctly. Hey Lump, agree, but their brain is about the size of a pea. Anything other than that pretty much just pisses them off until they bleed to death. OP, sorry for the hijack. -Slice It's still related to the original question. Different calibers will be handicapped less differently by using FMJ ammo. So some calibers might get by with using FMJ for self-defense purposes, while other calibers might just severely annoy the target if you use FMJ. |
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I buy in small, but consistent quantities.
For 9mm, I usually buy 4 to 1. For every 200 rds. of F.M.J, I buy 50 rds. of J.H.P. For 5.56, my ratio is much greater. For every 1k rds. of M-193 type, I buy 100 rds. of 5.56 TAP (when I can find it). I place a greater emphasis on quality pistol ammo, rather than rifle. The theory is that I will probably have plenty of "premium" ammo for any real world issues that may arise. In case of TEOTWAWKI, I'll be thankful for the 115 gr. F.M.J. 9mm, or the M-193 type 5.56. Good luck. |
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Thanks for the opinions, and for the possum antidotes . I think a this point I am going to set an arbitrary limit of 500 rounds of JHP for pistol rounds. I will then start buying some JHP bullet components to make more if need be. I appreciate the advice.
By the way, when we have bad possum issues with our sizable garden, they get the Remington 700 treatment! They don't like getting hit with a 308, however I don't think most even know what happened. I know it is overkill but I want the others to shake in their trees! |
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Thanks for the opinions, and for the possum antidotes . I think a this point I am going to set an arbitrary limit of 500 rounds of JHP for pistol rounds. I will then start buying some JHP bullet components to make more if need be. I appreciate the advice.
By the way, when we have bad possum issues with our sizable garden, they get the Remington 700 treatment! They don't like getting hit with a 308, however I don't think most even know what happened. I know it is overkill but I want the others to shake in their trees! Overkill is underrated. 
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JHP only cost a little more the FMJ if you know where to look! I can buy 1,000 230gr JHP for about $176.00 ! If you reload you will be spending as much money on your reloaded JHP as you would if you bought FMJ for the most part. When SHTF really having all the + in your place is the best way to go right!? Send me an IM if you like the price of the JHP above and I'll send you the link! It all depends on how far you take hand loading. I can load a 50rd box of 45ACP, 38's or 44's for less than $4.00, because I cast my own lead bullets, and considering that some of my components I've gotten free "like a keg of Red Dot" and other powders and primers I'm really over stating my costs just to be fair. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Thanks for the opinions, and for the possum antidotes . I think a this point I am going to set an arbitrary limit of 500 rounds of JHP for pistol rounds. I will then start buying some JHP bullet components to make more if need be. I appreciate the advice. By the way, when we have bad possum issues with our sizable garden, they get the Remington 700 treatment! They don't like getting hit with a 308, however I don't think most even know what happened. I know it is overkill but I want the others to shake in their trees! Overkill is underrated. With the 45-70 thread going; I'd say that the minimum possum round would be 45-70 for CPC(ClosePossumCombat) 338LM for midrange and 50BMG for possums still in the trees. |
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Possums, ground hogs and Coons are tuff, but I have had good performance with Winchester Power Point 40gr .22lr.
I have had good results with my glock 19 with 124gr +gold dots tho. Every time so far, its DRT with the glock 19. XM193 is just going to poke tiny holes in them, they are big enough to give the bullet time to fragment. 45gr ballistic tips will turn the little critters into pieces if you want to see something devastating. |
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Thanks for the opinions, and for the possum antidotes . I think a this point I am going to set an arbitrary limit of 500 rounds of JHP for pistol rounds. I will then start buying some JHP bullet components to make more if need be. I appreciate the advice.
By the way, when we have bad possum issues with our sizable garden, they get the Remington 700 treatment! They don't like getting hit with a 308, however I don't think most even know what happened. I know it is overkill but I want the others to shake in their trees! Overkill is underrated.
With the 45-70 thread going; I'd say that the minimum possum round would be 45-70 for CPC(ClosePossumCombat) 338LM for midrange and 50BMG for possums still in the trees. see dat possum in dat tree.....I'll get him.... 
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Thanks for the opinions, and for the possum antidotes . I think a this point I am going to set an arbitrary limit of 500 rounds of JHP for pistol rounds. I will then start buying some JHP bullet components to make more if need be. I appreciate the advice.
By the way, when we have bad possum issues with our sizable garden, they get the Remington 700 treatment! They don't like getting hit with a 308, however I don't think most even know what happened. I know it is overkill but I want the others to shake in their trees! Overkill is underrated.
With the 45-70 thread going; I'd say that the minimum possum round would be 45-70 for CPC(ClosePossumCombat) 338LM for midrange and 50BMG for possums still in the trees. Holy cow we have a winner!!!! |
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The only 'handgun' HPs that I stock up on are those for my 'odd ball' calibers where factory hollowpoints are tough to find. Most of handgun ammo I produce is FMJ and is used for practice. I have a stash of factory hollowpoint using proven bullets for my standard caliber handguns.
Rifles are a bit different. For them I load up defensive ammo which duplicates factory loads I buy, and of course long range precision ammo. The reloaded 75gr OTMs allow me to practice with the 'same' ammo I'll used for defense. Of course even with the rifle calibers most of the ammo I load is FMJ for inexpensive practice and plinking. |
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Quoted: Quoted: JHP only cost a little more the FMJ if you know where to look! I can buy 1,000 230gr JHP for about $176.00 ! If you reload you will be spending as much money on your reloaded JHP as you would if you bought FMJ for the most part. When SHTF really having all the + in your place is the best way to go right!? Send me an IM if you like the price of the JHP above and I'll send you the link! It all depends on how far you take hand loading. I can load a 50rd box of 45ACP, 38's or 44's for less than $4.00, because I cast my own lead bullets, and considering that some of my components I've gotten free "like a keg of Red Dot" and other powders and primers I'm really over stating my costs just to be fair. I'm not alone then. |
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Quoted: Possums, ground hogs and Coons are tuff, but I have had good performance with Winchester Power Point 40gr .22lr. I have had good results with my glock 19 with 124gr +gold dots tho. Every time so far, its DRT with the glock 19. XM193 is just going to poke tiny holes in them, they are big enough to give the bullet time to fragment. 45gr ballistic tips will turn the little critters into pieces if you want to see something devastating. Try a 50 or 55 grain Speer TNT. |
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Possums, ground hogs and Coons are tuff, but I have had good performance with Winchester Power Point 40gr .22lr. I have had good results with my glock 19 with 124gr +gold dots tho. Every time so far, its DRT with the glock 19. XM193 is just going to poke tiny holes in them, they are big enough to give the bullet time to fragment. 45gr ballistic tips will turn the little critters into pieces if you want to see something devastating. I've had good results on groundhogs with scoped .22 rifles using CCI Stingers, at ranges out to 60 or 70 yards, as long as I get the shot in the heart/lung area. Some drop within a foot of where they were shot, some go a little further. But there was one groundhog sitting on a log in an overgrown fencerow, that things didn't go so well. He was down on all fours facing toward me, and turned to get off the log at the exact moment I pulled the trigger. Instead of hitting him between the neck and shoulder and going into the lungs, the bullet hit him in the hip. He jumped off the log and disappeared. I looked around to see if I could find him laying in the bushes, to finish him off, but no luck. A few days later, the neighbor told me they had seen my groundhog limping across the field. That was the groundhog that I ended up killing with the .45, since I didn't want to take another chance on crippling him. He was sitting up in tall grass, on the other side of that same fencerow, and I used the fencerow for cover to move within 20 yards of him. The bullet went in one side of his neck and out the other (didn't leave a larger exit wound, so I doubt it had enough time for much expansion). As far as I could tell, it didn't damage the spine, but he dropped so fast that when the muzzle came down I couldn't see him. At first thought that I might have missed him and he ran, but I found him laying in the same spot he had been sitting when I pulled the trigger. But possums need at least a 12 gauge slug, at short ranges. For longer range possums, I might try the Garand, but I think I may need to look for a more suitable possum rifle. |
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Quoted: What 45 & 357 bullet mold do you use???I worry less about over penetration than I do about adequate internal damage to whatever needs to be shot. The 9mm and .45 Colt cast bullets above penetrated adequately per current standards and would have created far more damage to tissue than solids or FMJ. I haven't had time to test the others, but I suspect they will do the same. FMJ is better for penetration, HP is better for stopping threats or game animals. I've been using Lyman 158gn LSWC for the 357, and 225gn LRN (about 232gn to 234 when lubed). I've been looking for a decent 45 HP mold though. Any suggestions? |
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I worry less about over penetration than I do about adequate internal damage to whatever needs to be shot. The 9mm and .45 Colt cast bullets above penetrated adequately per current standards and would have created far more damage to tissue than solids or FMJ. I haven't had time to test the others, but I suspect they will do the same. FMJ is better for penetration, HP is better for stopping threats or game animals. Agree with this. Something is better than nothing. But, the right tool for the job is better. We have both
(not-so) interesting story: We had a possum problem for a while. One time, medium sized possum, 16" AR w/ M193, about 15 yards: 12 shots (all hits) for him to stop moving. Next time, same sized possum, Sig P229 155gn .40 Hydroshock, about 12 yards: No movement after 2 shots I was amazed hot tough those damn things were. If you're shooting possums, I'd go HP
-Slice Similar story: I shot a full mag of FMJ from my Glock 19 one night at a Possum (mostyl hits LOL) and he just looked at me like "what was that for" and walked off. Fast forward a few years and the dog had a Possum cornered. One shot of critical defense ammo and he was done! |
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Different calibers will be handicapped less differently by using FMJ ammo. So some calibers might get by with using FMJ for self-defense purposes, while other calibers might just severely annoy the target if you use FMJ. This right here is the answer. In my 9mm I have found that quality hollow point ammo has very different (improved) terminal effectiveness over FMJ. Not so much with other calibers like 45. I have found that M193 just pokes holes thru skunks and they keep moving because the bullet doesn't have time to frag and just keeps going. If I use 40 grain very thin jacketed varmint bullets the whole scenario changes. We often talk about using the right gun for the job but forget to add that the right bullet is important as well. |
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JHP only cost a little more the FMJ if you know where to look! I can buy 1,000 230gr JHP for about $176.00 ! If you reload you will be spending as much money on your reloaded JHP as you would if you bought FMJ for the most part. When SHTF really having all the + in your place is the best way to go right!? Send me an IM if you like the price of the JHP above and I'll send you the link! It all depends on how far you take hand loading. I can load a 50rd box of 45ACP, 38's or 44's for less than $4.00, because I cast my own lead bullets, and considering that some of my components I've gotten free "like a keg of Red Dot" and other powders and primers I'm really over stating my costs just to be fair. I'm not alone then.
Agree 100% casting knocks the price down a lot more. I need to start casting I see now if you pay you can even get that die that will jacket your lead rounds with old brass. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: JHP only cost a little more the FMJ if you know where to look! I can buy 1,000 230gr JHP for about $176.00 ! If you reload you will be spending as much money on your reloaded JHP as you would if you bought FMJ for the most part. When SHTF really having all the + in your place is the best way to go right!? Send me an IM if you like the price of the JHP above and I'll send you the link! It all depends on how far you take hand loading. I can load a 50rd box of 45ACP, 38's or 44's for less than $4.00, because I cast my own lead bullets, and considering that some of my components I've gotten free "like a keg of Red Dot" and other powders and primers I'm really over stating my costs just to be fair. I'm not alone then. Agree 100% casting knocks the price down a lot more. I need to start casting I see now if you pay you can even get that die that will jacket your lead rounds with old brass. http://www.corbins.com/ If you're talking about the one I think you are, I would be hesitant to shoot those bullets through a gun I cared anything about. |
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JHP only cost a little more the FMJ if you know where to look! I can buy 1,000 230gr JHP for about $176.00 ! If you reload you will be spending as much money on your reloaded JHP as you would if you bought FMJ for the most part. When SHTF really having all the + in your place is the best way to go right!? Send me an IM if you like the price of the JHP above and I'll send you the link! Where? That is for the bullets only not loaded ammo. Still want the link I'll send it. |
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JHP only cost a little more the FMJ if you know where to look! I can buy 1,000 230gr JHP for about $176.00 ! If you reload you will be spending as much money on your reloaded JHP as you would if you bought FMJ for the most part. When SHTF really having all the + in your place is the best way to go right!? Send me an IM if you like the price of the JHP above and I'll send you the link! It all depends on how far you take hand loading. I can load a 50rd box of 45ACP, 38's or 44's for less than $4.00, because I cast my own lead bullets, and considering that some of my components I've gotten free "like a keg of Red Dot" and other powders and primers I'm really over stating my costs just to be fair. I'm not alone then.
Agree 100% casting knocks the price down a lot more. I need to start casting I see now if you pay you can even get that die that will jacket your lead rounds with old brass. http://www.corbins.com/ If you're talking about the one I think you are, I would be hesitant to shoot those bullets through a gun I cared anything about. I'm not sure if that is the company or not just have seen these dies a few time here on the reloading and at castboolits.com. What have you heard about them? |
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The gal (yes gal) who comes to butcher our beef uses a single .22lr. I cant emphasize enough how shot placement is the single most important factor. Everything else is just advertising... 
Really?  drops them like a hot rock. They hit the ground hard. You just have to know where to shoot them. I have put down a cow with a 17hmr before. She slammed into the ground like she got hit by a truck. |
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The gal (yes gal) who comes to butcher our beef uses a single .22lr. I cant emphasize enough how shot placement is the single most important factor. Everything else is just advertising...
Really? drops them like a hot rock. They hit the ground hard. You just have to know where to shoot them. I have put down a cow with a 17hmr before. She slammed into the ground like she got hit by a truck. I have no doubt she drops cattle with a .22. Just the BS that it is ALL shot placment and that there is no differnce other than advertising with the different bullets. |
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The gal (yes gal) who comes to butcher our beef uses a single .22lr. I cant emphasize enough how shot placement is the single most important factor. Everything else is just advertising...
Really? drops them like a hot rock. They hit the ground hard. You just have to know where to shoot them. I have put down a cow with a 17hmr before. She slammed into the ground like she got hit by a truck. I have no doubt she drops cattle with a .22. Just the BS that it is ALL shot placment and that there is no differnce other than advertising with the different bullets. I don't believe its all advertising. Just confirming the put down shots. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The gal (yes gal) who comes to butcher our beef uses a single .22lr. I cant emphasize enough how shot placement is the single most important factor. Everything else is just advertising... Really? drops them like a hot rock. They hit the ground hard. You just have to know where to shoot them. I have put down a cow with a 17hmr before. She slammed into the ground like she got hit by a truck. I have no doubt she drops cattle with a .22. Just the BS that it is ALL shot placment and that there is no differnce other than advertising with the different bullets. You can use the best bullet in the world and if it doesn't hit something important like arteries, the brain stem, heart, or lungs, it's no better than a bb gun at stopping humans or animals. |
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You can use the best bullet in the world and if it doesn't hit something important like arteries, the brain stem, heart, or lungs, it's no better than a bb gun at stopping humans or animals. Well no shit, nobody said otherwise. However using the best bullet I can destroy/damage such structers where using a lesser bullet (i.e. FMJ) will just pass through missing the important structures. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: JHP only cost a little more the FMJ if you know where to look! I can buy 1,000 230gr JHP for about $176.00 ! If you reload you will be spending as much money on your reloaded JHP as you would if you bought FMJ for the most part. When SHTF really having all the + in your place is the best way to go right!? Send me an IM if you like the price of the JHP above and I'll send you the link! Where? That is for the bullets only not loaded ammo. Still want the link I'll send it. Oh ok. I thought you were saying you were getting loaded ammo for 17 cents per round. No need to send a link. Thanks for the clarification. |
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I buy rather than reload; at this point I just don't have the free time to be able to do it.
My philosophy on ammo is that for your rifle you want the majority to be FMJ, with a few boxes of Hornady TAP for home defense. The rationale is that you'll be engaging targets at a greater distance or using your rifle occasionally for hunting. For pistolas, I think that the opposite holds true; the majority of your ammo should be HP or otherwise home defense rounds like Hydro-Shock or DPX, with a smaller amount of FMJ for target practice. My rationale here is that you will more than likely be using your weapon at close range against human targets, where maximum lethality with minimum barrier penetration is the goal. ETA: Forgot to add that the main point is to have reliable ammunition, and lots of it. For this reason, I stay away from Wolf et al, although I have frineds that say it is fine. |