Posted: 9/1/2010 2:20:58 PM EDT
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I want to arm 4 people. We all need the same rifles, ammo, sights and/or optics, and accessories.
the budgets is $6000 My wife is one of the people the others are our kids. She wants to train together since I like to shoot. Figures it can be a family thing. edited: we are well prepared already. The kids are not of shooting age. I have long range rifles, ar, ak, shotguns, etc. food and ammo is GTG Im leaning toward 4 ars 2nd edit: one guy seems to think I am wanting to take my kids into combat. This is not what is going on. As stated, the wife wants to do more shooting and the kids want to also. I do have an ar that is custom but I want 4 that are alike so we can practice together and I can explain whats going on. ie.. clean together, fix together, shoot together. AK's will have to much recoil. I will get 22 conversions for all four. iorn sights, maybe red dot optics later. Im thinking 8 mag per person. The wife and I already have our chl's This is not just a pie in the sky dream. Planning to do this in the next two months. We |
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I want to arm 4 people. We all need the same rifles, ammo, sights and/or optics, and accessories. the budgets is $6000 My wife is one of the people the others are our kids. She wants to train together since I like to shoot. Figures it can be a family thing. Is your plan to buy guns just for target practice/range time or will you also be needing something for home defense/stopping bad guys? |
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You must have that following weapons to be a respectable survivalist: 1) An AR or AK for each member of the household capable of shooting (individuals over about 6 years of age). A 30-30 will not do. 2) A shotgun to go with each rifle in 1. It does not matter if you have no use for a shotgun. 3) A handgun to go with each rifle in 1 4) Ammo stocked for 1, 2 , and 3. 5) A long range rifle in 308—This really needs to be a bolt gun if you intend to be a tier one survivalist. SR25 or SPR can't count. 30-06, 300mag, 338mag, 270, etc. just will not do, and it doesn't matter that the terrain will not allow a clear 250 yard shot. 6) SKS handout guns. Nope can't count a 30-30 here either. It doesn't matter if you have nobody that you would trust to hand out to. 7) Ammo stocked for 5 and 6. |
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There is great merit in using one weapon platform, so that all members of your family are proficient in the use of all weapons. In addition, parts can be secured to repair firearms, and this is made easier by using the same platform.
You mentioned wife and kids. This likely means varied body sizes and shapes. Few firearms can equal the adaptability of the AR15 platform. The ergonomics are good, and the weapon is easily adapted to specifc users. The 6 position tele stock means that the rifle can be sized to suit short of tall individuals. Lighter barrelled uppers can be selected for smaller shooters. You get the picture. It would be hard to go wrong with a basic AR15, several magazines, and ammo. You can keep it simple initially. No need for acogs right off the bat. |
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I'd bet you can get decent ARs for around $700-750. CDNN has S&W M&Pss for around $599 in their flyer (after $100 rebate). You can get EOTechs for around $370-400. Let's just fudge high and say the total is $1200 for a complete flat top rifle and an EOTech.
$1200 X 4 = $4800. Spend $200 on as many quality mags as you can get. You should be able to get at least 20 if you run across a bulk deal. Spend the last $1000 on ammo. You should be able to get at least 2000 rounds, if not 3000 rounds of quality brass ammo or up to 4000 rounds of Wolf steel case ammo. If I were you, I'd contact a few of the ARFCOM industry partners and see if they'll cut you a deal on buying 4 complete rifles, 4 EOTechs, 20 mags and 3000 rounds of ammo. I'd bet they could hit the $6k mark, if not better. Just as an example, lets just go with CDNN Investments (www.cdnninvestments.com): (4) S&W M&P - $599 (4) EOTech 512 - $409 (40) GI Contract Mags - $6.99 (10 or more) (24 lots) Remington .223 - $69.99 (per 200) 4 rifles = $2400 4 EOTechs = $1640 40 mags = $280 4800 rounds of brass cased .223 ammo = $1680 This comes out to exactly $6000. You will have shipping, FFL fees, taxes, etc, so adjust your ammo or mags to compensate for your budget. I'd adjust further and get some type or rear sight for the rifle, in case your EOTech fails. I'd also adjust further and get some basic parts for your rifles, such an extra bolt for each rifle, a field repair kit for each rifle and a cleaning kit for each rifle. If you adjusted down to 30 mags and 4000 rounds, you would have an extra $350 to get the bolts, field kits and cleaning kits. No problem there. Bottom line, you can get 4 quality rifles, 4 quality optics, a bunch of mags and a mini mountain of ammo for $6000, from a variety of sources. ETA: Go the AK route and you'll end up with more ammo. |
Whatever you do, the first thing should be to drop down and hit your knees, then thank God for your wife. 
4 AR's with a 1/7 twist and a ton of 75 Grain Hornady ammo. You can get the practice ammo for a reasonable price. Then add a couple Remington 870's w/ Blackhawk Knoxx Stocks. |
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sticking with just the rifles and not knowing the age of the kids here's what i would do... 4x Spikes M4LE @ $799ea = $3196, you can order them with MBUS or a carry handle. add 2x Spikes .22lr kits @ $199ea = $398 bringing the total to $3594 for AR's and training kits. there is room there to add mags, ammo, slings and other kit. throw in a few K of ammo and you're good to go. that's just the *on the shelf* price, i'm sure if you walked into my / a gun shop and wanted to get 4 of everything that the price would be a bit lower all the way around. this kind of thing isn't as rare as some would think. |
| I'd change the rules and make it 2 ARs for the adults and 2 10/22s for the kids. Kids will appreciate the lighter weight of a 10/22 and recoil is light too which means they can focus on shot placement. Although the 22lr isn't great at stopping power on large animals, a hit with a 22lr beats a miss with a 223. Once the kids get older, you can upgrade to ARs for them. My boys both learned on a 10/22 and we all still enjoy shooting them. We have a contest we do at our country place where we shoot at a 3" spinner at 50 yards. Either of my boys can hit a 3 inch spinner 8 of 10 times at 50 yards. |
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4 ARs plus mags and ammo. You can get it from many sources. At that budget you will have to stick to irons for now. M4 type rifles for the womenz and kids. Yep. With that budget, no reason not to. Do you own AR's? I mean, you could do nice AK's if you liked that platform better, but I'd go AR first. |
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I want to arm 4 people. We all need the same rifles, ammo, sights and/or optics, and accessories. the budgets is $6000 My wife is one of the people the others are our kids. She wants to train together since I like to shoot. Figures it can be a family thing. Which way are you leaning? Your wife ROCKS!, by the way. I taught my wife and kids to shoot with open sites on everything. We are not an optics family yet. Once you are geared up, check out an appleseed shoot for some great instruction,camaraderie and learning your guns. Good luck and post results. |
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Sorry I can't get specific in a recommendation because I don't know the individual skill levels.
What I will say is the idea of taking the family into combat is about the last option on Earth I can think of so giving priority to ease of carry and distance very high. That would mean a division of tasks and not expect your wife orchildren to do the run and gun but yourself. My usual thought pattern on this is a rifle and handgun for each (handgun due to its practicality in most self defense scenaros due to its ease of carry and conceal ability) and longer range weapons for those who will be in support roles. Being such a small squad then as you surmised interchangeability is key, however I'd lean more to include the gun selection opting for light weight with longer range other than the smallest. An example, would be lean more to 20" rifles than carbines if the AR is your choice. In all, I have insured my family has access to handguns before rifles. A handgun in a purse is worth ten rifles at home. Tj |
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4 AR15s (20'' for you - 16'' mid length (since we're using iron sights) for the wife and children) - $2800 if you built it yourself
40 mags (10 per person) - $400 Total $3200 FLCs for each person (vest, pouches, etc.) 4 x $50 = $200 Total $3400 $2600 left over for ammo = 10,000 rounds |
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In all, I have insured my family has access to handguns before rifles. A handgun in a purse is worth ten rifles at home. Tj Quoted for truth Get yourself and mom a 24/7 ccw. No do not bother making them the same. If you pick what works for you and that type is inconvenient for mom; guess who will leave their ccw at home, guess who wont have backup if there is a gunman at the mall? Get some 22s for the kids. Teach the kids to hit what they aim at. |
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4 AR15s (20'' for you - 16'' mid length (since we're using iron sights) for the wife and children) - $2800 if you built it yourself 40 mags (10 per person) - $400 Total $3200 FLCs for each person (vest, pouches, etc.) 4 x $50 = $200 Total $3400 $2600 left over for ammo = 10,000 rounds this + 4 glock 17s.....then buy ammo everytime you pass a funshop or wally world... 
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IF if had to outfit 4 adults at a minimum I would want
Two .22LR iron sights Two 12 gauge shotgun 26-28in barrel modified choke. ( good for standard rifled slugs- small game loads one bolt action centerfire rifle in something like 30-06 or .308 with bolth iron sights and mounted optics ( incase optics fail) ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- four semi automatic rifles in a common caliber. While one might sutomatically say AR-15!!! For the cost of ammunition you might be better finding AK-74s in 5.45. Ammo is 1/2 the price , they are rugged , simple and proven. Not to mention alot cheaper. four side arms. Id be more worried about eating than a zombie invasion though..... |
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4 AR15s (20'' for you - 16'' mid length (since we're using iron sights) for the wife and children) - $2800 if you built it yourself 40 mags (10 per person) - $400 Total $3200 FLCs for each person (vest, pouches, etc.) 4 x $50 = $200 Total $3400 $2600 left over for ammo = 10,000 rounds this + 4 glock 17s.....then buy ammo everytime you pass a funshop or wally world... I went with the AR15, Glock 17 combo as well. |
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4 CMMG bargin bin AR's $600ea = $2400 40 GI mags $10ea = $400 4K 5.56 $300 per k = $1200 totals to around $4,000 not including tax, shipping. Leaving you around 2k left over to equip your family with pistols, sights, slings, mag carriers, spare parts, etc This is pretty close to what I'd recommend, but ditch the GI mags and go the PMAG route. I'd also opt for fewer than 40 of them; you really don;t need 10 mags per person. Combat load of 7 mags per will do fine, you can probably actually get away with 5 per. I would also recommend perhaps slightly better quality rifles like BCMs or something, but if you like the idea of staying under budget then the CMMGs will do. Also, if you're looking at getting sidearms that extra 2K in the quoted post will pretty much cover that. I'd recommend getting some decent optics (RDS - Aimpoints preferably) for the rifles before sidearms. Also... Are the kids ready for AR15s? If not then perhaps a couple of 10/22s would do the trick for them? Useful to have around anyway... |
| seems like you should make some phone calls to see if you cant get a big package deal since your spending so much, im sure a local business would jump on the chance to help you outfit your family even if you pay full price on the rifles maybe they can throw in nice cases, 50% off optics, slings, cleaning kits, ect. this is what customer service is for. |
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Bought my nephew a DPMS flattop AR and that is one nice rifle for the money. Think I paid 600 for it. Thats $2400 leaving you $3600 for ammo, mags, slings, mag holders etc.
I really like the 3 pack mag shingles I bought from tactical tailor. Top of the line stuff but you'll be using it for years. We threw an MOE handguard on the DPMS and a magpul foregrip. Thing is sweet. He is in love and zeros it in 9 rounds at age 11. For pistol we bought him a Sig Sauer Mosquito and I regret the hell out of that. At any rate he is getting really good at clearing malfunctions and did his first pistol match last month. |
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4- M&P 15 - You can get them from $699-899 and then get $100 per gun rebate= $2600-3000 4- Glock 17 or 19- You can pick up 3rd Gen used for $380= 1600 30 GI M-16 Mags= $150 ( you can get them on this site for $4.50 shipped) 3000 rds of 5.56= $800-900 1000 rds of 9mm= 215 Ar-15 .22 conversion kit- ( I just picked up a stainless steel for $100 shipped) Just my .02 and it is working for me, Matthew |
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i would look at getting 4 wasr-10 from aim for 379 each 1520
5k 7.62x39 1100 40 mags 400 new/ used 240 3020 buy 2 22lr for the kids till they can use the ak and use for small game 300 for both marlins 5500rd 22lr 150 450 4 used gen 3 glock 19 360each 1440 3k 9mm 600 2040 =5510 and if you wanted a good scope gun i would look into a fudd gun that is 223/7.62x39 so you can use the same ammo and could get a good used tikka for 280-310 and scope for less than 190 for a good hunting one. |
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Quoted: Quoted: 30 GI M-16 Mags= $150 ( you can get them on this site for $4.50 shipped) Matthew Would you mind posting the link or name of the sponsor for/to that deal? Thanks, -Slice You really have to be on the lookout, They go fast. Here are some examples.. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=24&t=797871 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=24&t=797189 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=24&t=779695 I've tried to find an add that had 51 Okays for $4.75 each. I guess the title has been removed.. I have never paid more than $5 each for all of my GI Mags (175+). I have paid as little as $2.75 for used and as much as $5 for new..... Feel free to hit me back... Amos1909 |
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I want to arm 4 people. We all need the same rifles, ammo, sights and/or optics, and accessories. the budgets is $6000 My wife is one of the people the others are our kids. She wants to train together since I like to shoot. Figures it can be a family thing. CDNN has S&W AR15's for $699, and you can get a $100 rebate from Smith & Wesson until October 3rd 2010. Link ––––> CDNN Page 36-67 Link ––––> Smith & Wesson $100 rifle Rebate Prvi Partizan 5.56x45 62gr M855 for 5.99 per 20 if you buy 50 or more. Link ––––> Prvi Partizan M855 5.56x45 C Products 30rd AR15 magazines from AIM. $7.49 if you buy 50 or more. Link ––––> AIM 30rd AR Magazines |
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Quoted: Quoted: I want to arm 4 people. We all need the same rifles, ammo, sights and/or optics, and accessories. the budgets is $6000 My wife is one of the people the others are our kids. She wants to train together since I like to shoot. Figures it can be a family thing. CDNN has S&W AR15's for $699, and you can get a $100 rebate from Smith & Wesson until October 3rd 2010. Link ––––> CDNN Page 36-67 Link ––––> Smith & Wesson $100 rifle Rebate Prvi Partizan 5.56x45 62gr M855 for 5.99 per 20 if you buy 50 or more. Link ––––> Prvi Partizan M855 5.56x45 C Products 30rd AR15 magazines from AIM. $7.49 if you buy 50 or more. Link ––––> AIM 30rd AR Magazines The $699 M&P's are OR versions.. They do not have front or rear sights... So you have to add optics. When you look at the fact that you are able to get a quality Ar for $599 shipped, It Is a Little Bit of Heaven!! |
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Too bad you didn't do this exercise a few years ago...
My plan is simple but I did this a few years ago... 4 Rommy G AKMs - cost $60/ea + ~$30/ea compliance parts = $90x4 = $360 12 Mags (each kit came with 2 so this is 3 more per gun) = est $120 Ammo to fill all five mags = quick estimate $200 ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- Total = $680 Is the AK a better weapon then others... NO, but is it absolutely reliable, easy to learn, and deadly effective, HELL YES! If you really want to spend $6,000 just build four identical M4 Carbines. M4A3 with 1:7 twist barrel and add choice of optic, surefire light, etc. You should be able to build one for $1,500 easy enough so just build four at the same time. |
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Is the AK a better weapon then others... NO, but is it absolutely reliable, easy to learn, and deadly effective, HELL YES! It also has more recoil and the ergonomics are not as good. My wife hates them. I am sure that she would probably pick up a M1 before an AK. But she loves an AR soft recoil and accurate is what she likes. I like AKs but I will use an AR first. I suggest that you let her try both and let her decide what her firearm will be. Maybe she would love the AK, I might suggest she try a 7.62 and a 5.45. I am not sure why everyone expounds on the ease of an AK vs. an AR. A half intellegent person can learn basic functions in five minutes. Clearing and cleaning would take longer just like any other weapons. It's an AR not the puzzle box from Hellraiser. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Is the AK a better weapon then others... NO, but is it absolutely reliable, easy to learn, and deadly effective, HELL YES! It also has more recoil and the ergonomics are not as good. My wife hates them. I am sure that she would probably pick up a M1 before an AK. But she loves an AR soft recoil and accurate is what she likes. I like AKs but I will use an AR first. I suggest that you let her try both and let her decide what her firearm will be. Maybe she would love the AK, I might suggest she try a 7.62 and a 5.45. I am not sure why everyone expounds on the ease of an AK vs. an AR. A half intellegent person can learn basic functions in five minutes. Clearing and cleaning would take longer just like any other weapons. It's an AR not the puzzle box from Hellraiser. My wife hated the AK and Mini-14. She loves her M&P 15OR. She said that the Ak-47 weighed more and was muzzle heavy. She hated the Mini due to the fact she is Left-handed and the brass beaned her in the forehead. She felt it was muzzle heavy also... The only way I could get the M&P from her is to take it from her dead hands! She loves it and that is the most important thing!!!!
I would agree with letting your wife and kids shoot diff. platforms and choose a common platform for all... In my experience, my younger brothers have preferred the AR platform for cleaning and weight, but everyone is different... Amos1909 |
| Go with 4 AR flattops with gas blocks and removable sights. If one breaks you can switch your already zeroed sights onto another rifle. You could also make it a family thing to build your own rifles for less. I want to get 4 consecutively numbered lowers and go this route. |
| You don't need optics on all your rifles. Get flat tops with detachable carry handles/sights, and get one good scope with a QD mount to put on the rifle of your best shooter (designated marksman concept). Now you have three riflemen and one DM...nice little fire team. |
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I want to arm 4 people. We all need the same rifles, ammo, sights and/or optics, and accessories. the budgets is $6000 My wife is one of the people the others are our kids. She wants to train together since I like to shoot. Figures it can be a family thing. CDNN has S&W AR15's for $699, and you can get a $100 rebate from Smith & Wesson until October 3rd 2010. Link ––––> CDNN Page 36-67 Link ––––> Smith & Wesson $100 rifle Rebate Prvi Partizan 5.56x45 62gr M855 for 5.99 per 20 if you buy 50 or more. Link ––––> Prvi Partizan M855 5.56x45 C Products 30rd AR15 magazines from AIM. $7.49 if you buy 50 or more. Link ––––> AIM 30rd AR Magazines The $699 M&P's are OR versions.. They do not have front or rear sights... So you have to add optics. When you look at the fact that you are able to get a quality Ar for $599 shipped, It Is a Little Bit of Heaven!! The $699 M&P AR's do have open sights! They have a detachable carry handle in the back and a normal fixed front sight. The $599 S&W's are the "optic ready" versions. Go to page 37 in the catalog. |
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Did something very similar - consolidated a PILE of non-standard gear and built/bought standardized gear for all.
The Stag group buy here was very handy (hint: Pete will still sell for that price). Probably came out right around your dollar amount for four very nice Stag M4's and mags. I don't regret it one bit. Did the same thing on pistols. As others have said, that's probably more important than the rifles initially. |
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I want to arm 4 people. We all need the same rifles, ammo, sights and/or optics, and accessories. the budgets is $6000 My wife is one of the people the others are our kids. She wants to train together since I like to shoot. Figures it can be a family thing. edited: we are well prepared already. The kids are not of shooting age. I have long range rifles, ar, ak, shotguns, etc. food and ammo is GTG Im leaning toward 4 ars Now that you have added the edit Your question is more like "I have permission from the wife to get some guns––so what should I get on my shopping spree?" If you have several good long guns then don't buy any long guns now. Make sure you have ccw hand guns for you, wife, kids, kid's spouses, grand-kids, grand-kid's spouses––take the long view. I'll also second Halffast, and others take a class with the wife. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I want to arm 4 people. We all need the same rifles, ammo, sights and/or optics, and accessories. the budgets is $6000 My wife is one of the people the others are our kids. She wants to train together since I like to shoot. Figures it can be a family thing. CDNN has S&W AR15's for $699, and you can get a $100 rebate from Smith & Wesson until October 3rd 2010. Link ––––> CDNN Page 36-67 Link ––––> Smith & Wesson $100 rifle Rebate Prvi Partizan 5.56x45 62gr M855 for 5.99 per 20 if you buy 50 or more. Link ––––> Prvi Partizan M855 5.56x45 C Products 30rd AR15 magazines from AIM. $7.49 if you buy 50 or more. Link ––––> AIM 30rd AR Magazines The $699 M&P's are OR versions.. They do not have front or rear sights... So you have to add optics. When you look at the fact that you are able to get a quality Ar for $599 shipped, It Is a Little Bit of Heaven!! The $699 M&P AR's do have open sights! They have a detachable carry handle in the back and a normal fixed front sight. The $599 S&W's are the "optic ready" versions. Go to page 37 in the catalog. I am using the price before rebate!!!!! |
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I want to arm 4 people. We all need the same rifles, ammo, sights and/or optics, and accessories.
the budgets is $6000 My wife is one of the people the others are our kids. She wants to train together since I like to shoot. Figures it can be a family thing. edited: we are well prepared already. The kids are not of shooting age. I have long range rifles, ar, ak, shotguns, etc. food and ammo is GTG Im leaning toward 4 ars I think your premise is a little off, and you have an AR? Try this: 3 AR 15s, one has a 4x ACOG, the others have cheap red-dot scopes and iron sites, or better as budget alows. One kid has a S&W MP 15-22 with red dot/irons. 1 Glock 26 one Glock 19 and 2 .22 pistols, as small as you can find. You are not a military unit; survival is the goal. The kids need guns they can grow into and learn with. Everyone needs a hidden weapon in a WROL world. |
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6K is a huge budget as long as you don't go nuts on a bunch of high end free floating custom barrel stuff. My first AR was an Olympic Arms Carbine with the carry handle upper, cost $550 at a local gun show. Later replaced the upper with an A2 flat top for mounting optics, the upper came from DPMS and was a special they ran on ARFCOM for $165.
Most recent AR is a full sized H-Bar model. The DPMS lower was picked up for $250 at the Harrisburg gun show, and the flat top Stag Arms Upper was $150 two rows over at another vendor. I had a spare bolt, so that saved me a buck or two. That is a first class full sized AR for $400, it would have run $100 more if I needed the bolt. It would have run a lot more if I had bought a complete AR from one of the vendors instead of looking around and shopping prices on the upper and lower as separate purchases. I still have a carbine upper looking for a new home, so have been checking out local gun shows. Two weeks ago I went to a show and they had complete Stag Arms lowers for $265. I almost pulled the trigger, but having recently purchased a new vehicle, I am doing more looking than buying right now. My point is that as you have one AR already, there is no reason you can not pick up three more for around $600 each. With some effort, a little looking around, and a lot of luck, you can do even better. That leaves a lot of your 6K intact for things like side arms, mags, optics, and training. My personal opinion is that it is best either saved or spent on ammunition, as that is the most likely venue of attack by the gun control crowd. For side arms, I say screw the full sized models. Get the compact Glocks or Sigs that are useful for concealed carry. A personal SHTF situation that involves firearms is most likely going to be up close and personal. If you are in a situation where you are breaking out the AR's, then the side arm is no longer a factor. So you will most likely be best served by something that can be concealed. How much you spend is up to you, but again, shop around and you will still have plenty of cash left over. Just some thoughts on your "dilemma" (sheesh, wish I had your problems  ).
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I'd normally say go with AK's, but the kids really aren't going to dig that recoil, and if I had kid old enough to shoot, I wouldn't want then that close to other shooters... My kids will get scopes and I want them hundreds of yards from any foe.
Given that, I'd probably pick up 6 of the CMMG bargain bin rifles, and 4 sets of spare parts. You have to anticipate that 1 or more rifles are eventually going to be left behind, bent, etc. I NEVER want there to be an issue, where we HAVE to select between getting out with a weapon, and getting out alive. Plus, you could also have magnified scopes on your 2 spare rifles. I'd probably put the kids on those, since they are smaller and can't entirely handle lots of quick shots, but are better suited to select, aimed, shots. Get some brass cased ammo you can reload, get some reloading supplies, and teach the kids how to reload, so they respect each shot they make and understand the work required to reload a single round. I really think you could realistically do this for a lot less than 6k... You really dont need 4000 rounds of ammo per gun... Is this a legit shopping spree, or are you just sort of pie in the sky day dreaming about a fantasy setup? If it were me, I'd want to get set up as cheaply as I could, without sacrificing quality. |
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I'd change the rules and make it 2 ARs for the adults and 2 10/22s for the kids. Kids will appreciate the lighter weight of a 10/22 and recoil is light too which means they can focus on shot placement. Although the 22lr isn't great at stopping power on large animals, a hit with a 22lr beats a miss with a 223. Once the kids get older, you can upgrade to ARs for them. My boys both learned on a 10/22 and we all still enjoy shooting them. We have a contest we do at our country place where we shoot at a 3" spinner at 50 yards. Either of my boys can hit a 3 inch spinner 8 of 10 times at 50 yards. why not skip the 10/22's and get some .22 LR conversion kits for the AR's? |
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Is it really necessary to post this in every single thread? I know it is kind of funny, but the joke is getting a little old
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You must have that following weapons to be a respectable survivalist: 1) An AR or AK for each member of the household capable of shooting (individuals over about 6 years of age). A 30-30 will not do. 2) A shotgun to go with each rifle in 1. It does not matter if you have no use for a shotgun. 3) A handgun to go with each rifle in 1 4) Ammo stocked for 1, 2 , and 3. 5) A long range rifle in 308—This really needs to be a bolt gun if you intend to be a tier one survivalist. SR25 or SPR can't count. 30-06, 300mag, 338mag, 270, etc. just will not do, and it doesn't matter that the terrain will not allow a clear 250 yard shot. 6) SKS handout guns. Nope can't count a 30-30 here either. It doesn't matter if you have nobody that you would trust to hand out to. 7) Ammo stocked for 5 and 6. |
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With the last edit, I would go for the M&P 15 platform. You could try the Optics ready Model for the kids and another model for you... I have a LMT, Noveske and a bunch of M&P's. I really like the M&P15T and will pick it up over the LMT.... I would get 10 mags per rifle... Amos1909 |