Posted: 6/4/2010 10:17:41 AM EDT
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I was surfing through the internet looking for an inexpensive fuel tanks somewhere in the 50 gallon or so range, and I came across several in all different price ranges. But in doing this I see that some same not rates for gasoline and others say not rated for diesel fuel. I did not know that there was a difference in all metal fuel tanks.
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First off lets find out what your intended use is. Stationary storage or a transfer tank on the vehicle.
Transfer tanks for gasoline need to be a little stronger and contain adequate venting per federal DOT requirements. Gasoline has an expansion ability greater than diesel. Just go leave a plastic gas can in the sun someday and see. Also the transfer pump assembly has to be properly grounded to eliminate and chance of static spark more so than diesel. For stationary storage, the tank will beed an adequate vent pipe to off-gass any tank pressure. If it is portable it needs to be adequately secured so not to spill in an accident or roll over. Also large tanks need baffles to control fluid movement during transport. Personally I use a 100 gallon tank for gas storage with transfer pump and a 2 ft vent The tank and pump is grounded to a ground rod in earth an I have an open sided encousure over it to protect the tank. It serves the purpose well |
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If putting it in a pickup truck bed or something like that I would probably stick to what the tank was rated for. With diesel I want the big screw off filters and with gas I don't know if I would want much since I have never had a big tank for gasoline. I find it easy to find stuff rated for diesel but not so much for gasoline. I did buy one of those 15 gallon fuel station tanks when a store lost the hose and nozzle for it but I just want to use it for home storage for the quad and mower and what not. Its cap is not something I would really want on a trailer or truck from the looks of it but I have not had it in use yet so I am not positive what I think of it yet. I already have a better nozzle and just need to build a stand for it and buy some hose for the gravity feed to the nozzle and I will see what I think of it. To some extent with gasoline I would be more likely to go with something like what cars and trucks have these days for an in tank fuel pump setup maybe. And the post above talking about grounds is something I worry about with gasoline way more than diesel. |
My Father worked for a trucking company a while back and he managed to get some spare tanks off of the semi-trucks and we use them on the farm as stationary tanks. Like CTF250 states (I dont' know this for a fact but I also believe it to be true) they're built to a higher standard (or at least a different one). They work great and like you stated, they have the large fill holes for the big diesel nozzles. As far as the metal goes, you can fill them with any either gas or diesel. And, the truck tanks have bung holes of varying sizes and locations, so you put hoses anywhere you deem convenient  So, check out some large truck shops and the like, you may find some. Of note: Federal regulations state that you cannot carry more than 800lbs of a hazardous material (fuel)––-to include the weight of the carrying system (the tank, pump, hoses, etc)––-without the driver having a tank and hazmat endorsement on your CDL. And placards and. . . Anyways with fuel weighing about 7.?? a gallon, don't plan on carrying more than a 100 gallons without needing all the extra headaches. I'm not saying you wanted a tank that big, but they're out there––and cheaper than MFCs too! Also keep an eye out for houses upgrading or changing their heating system, you may be able to pick up a 275 gallon home heating tank for next to nothing. We were able to find a diesel tank that way too.
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i bought three big truck fuel tanks. two 150 gallon tanks, and a 100 gallon tank, for $50.00 bucks each. i took the original mounts, and made a frame for them,. i have one, 150 gallon half full of fuel right now, one 150 is empty, and one 100 gallon is for kerosene, and is empty right now. i keep staybil in the fuel, and after a year, i have been using it in my truck, and atv with no ill effects. im working on getting them full soon. also they are good for gasoline, as the tank is made of aluminum, and the cap is made of brass, to prevent sparks.
i bought a fuel caddy to get the fuel from the tanks to fill vehicles, and gas cans, it works great, and holds 30 gallons. fill it up at a gas station, and then crank the fuel into the big tanks, or use 5 gallon cans. use it to suck out gas, and roll it around to fill things up. works great. 
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i bought three big truck fuel tanks. two 150 gallon tanks, and a 100 gallon tank, for $50.00 bucks each. i took the original mounts, and made a frame for them,. i have one, 150 gallon half full of fuel right now, one 150 is empty, and one 100 gallon is for kerosene, and is empty right now. i keep staybil in the fuel, and after a year, i have been using it in my truck, and atv with no ill effects. im working on getting them full soon. also they are good for gasoline, as the tank is made of aluminum, and the cap is made of brass, to prevent sparks. http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/shtftanks1.jpg http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/P3230042.jpg i bought a fuel caddy to get the fuel from the tanks to fill vehicles, and gas cans, it works great, and holds 30 gallons. fill it up at a gas station, and then crank the fuel into the big tanks, or use 5 gallon cans. use it to suck out gas, and roll it around to fill things up. works great. http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/12652.jpg depending on where you are....you can have fuel delivered....they may have restrictions as to what kind of tanks you can use.... 
nice setup though...I got 2 100gal gas tanks...and a 50 gal kero tank.....both with hand pumps. |
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i bought three big truck fuel tanks. two 150 gallon tanks, and a 100 gallon tank, for $50.00 bucks each. i took the original mounts, and made a frame for them,. i have one, 150 gallon half full of fuel right now, one 150 is empty, and one 100 gallon is for kerosene, and is empty right now. i keep staybil in the fuel, and after a year, i have been using it in my truck, and atv with no ill effects. im working on getting them full soon. also they are good for gasoline, as the tank is made of aluminum, and the cap is made of brass, to prevent sparks. http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/shtftanks1.jpg http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/P3230042.jpg i bought a fuel caddy to get the fuel from the tanks to fill vehicles, and gas cans, it works great, and holds 30 gallons. fill it up at a gas station, and then crank the fuel into the big tanks, or use 5 gallon cans. use it to suck out gas, and roll it around to fill things up. works great. http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/12652.jpg depending on where you are....you can have fuel delivered....they may have restrictions as to what kind of tanks you can use....
nice setup though...I got 2 100gal gas tanks...and a 50 gal kero tank.....both with hand pumps. We have three 1,000 gallon tanks on our farm for gas, diesel and red diesel there is a local bulk fuel supply company that probably supplies 75% of all fuel to the farms in this are as well as 2 gas stations in town. The people down the road from me contacted the fuel company they wanted 2 small fuel tanks one for there small diesel tractor and another for their lawnmower and other yard gas powered equipment. I found it kind of funny that the tanks that were supplied to them from the fuel company were one 100+ gallon tank that was just two 55 gallon oil barrels welded together on a stand with a gravity feed hose and the gas tank is just a 55gallon drum with a hand pump in it on steel pallet painted a tan/off white color. I know the laws are different in other states but the tanks have been working fine and it’s not like the company that supplied the tanks does not have an idea of what they are doing. |
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My Father worked for a trucking company a while back and he managed to get some spare tanks off of the semi-trucks and we use them on the farm as stationary tanks. Like CTF250 states (I dont' know this for a fact but I also believe it to be true) they're built to a higher standard (or at least a different one). They work great and like you stated, they have the large fill holes for the big diesel nozzles. As far as the metal goes, you can fill them with any either gas or diesel. And, the truck tanks have bung holes of varying sizes and locations, so you put hoses anywhere you deem convenient So, check out some large truck shops and the like, you may find some. Of note: Federal regulations state that you cannot carry more than 800lbs of a hazardous material (fuel)––-to include the weight of the carrying system (the tank, pump, hoses, etc)––-without the driver having a tank and hazmat endorsement on your CDL. And placards and. . . Anyways with fuel weighing about 7.?? a gallon, don't plan on carrying more than a 100 gallons without needing all the extra headaches. I'm not saying you wanted a tank that big, but they're out there––and cheaper than MFCs too! Also keep an eye out for houses upgrading or changing their heating system, you may be able to pick up a 275 gallon home heating tank for next to nothing. We were able to find a diesel tank that way too.Are you talking about total fuel including the vehicles fuel tanks or just the actual cargo of fuel? There are a lot truck on the road that requires a CDL to drive will have a minimum of two 100 gallon tanks on each side which would mean that all of those drivers would need a hazmat endorsement on their CDL just because of the fuel the truck needs to run. |
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i bought three big truck fuel tanks. two 150 gallon tanks, and a 100 gallon tank, for $50.00 bucks each. i took the original mounts, and made a frame for them,. i have one, 150 gallon half full of fuel right now, one 150 is empty, and one 100 gallon is for kerosene, and is empty right now. i keep staybil in the fuel, and after a year, i have been using it in my truck, and atv with no ill effects. im working on getting them full soon. also they are good for gasoline, as the tank is made of aluminum, and the cap is made of brass, to prevent sparks. http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/shtftanks1.jpg http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/P3230042.jpg i bought a fuel caddy to get the fuel from the tanks to fill vehicles, and gas cans, it works great, and holds 30 gallons. fill it up at a gas station, and then crank the fuel into the big tanks, or use 5 gallon cans. use it to suck out gas, and roll it around to fill things up. works great. http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/12652.jpg depending on where you are....you can have fuel delivered....they may have restrictions as to what kind of tanks you can use....
nice setup though...I got 2 100gal gas tanks...and a 50 gal kero tank.....both with hand pumps. there is a fuel place about 5 miles from my house, that would fill the tanks..... i just dont usually have that much $$ at once. i usually go and buy 50 gallons at most, then keep adding to it. slower, but easier to afford. |
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holy crap......I'll post pics tomarrow.....but I went over to the truck and trailer repair place in my little complex today.....jokingly asked how many free aluminum fuel tanks they had laying around....one guy I had done some little welding projects for, pulled me over to the side and asked why I needed them....I told him..and well...
HE GAVE ME 2...COUNT THEM.....2....BRAND NEW 150 GAL ALUMINUM TANKS....NEVER HAD A DROP OF FUEL IN THEM....BRAND NEW....
I guess not charging him for the 5 and 10 minute jobs really paid off....
I'll post pics tomarrow.....but damn....I'm giddy. |
| Weight will be tanks size multiplied by weight of the liquid per gallon. Are you filling them with gas or diesel? I think diesel is around 7 pounds per gallon so it would be 150x7=1,050 pounds plus what ever the weight of the tank is would be your total weight of liquid and container. |
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My Father worked for a trucking company a while back and he managed to get some spare tanks off of the semi-trucks and we use them on the farm as stationary tanks. Like CTF250 states (I dont' know this for a fact but I also believe it to be true) they're built to a higher standard (or at least a different one). They work great and like you stated, they have the large fill holes for the big diesel nozzles. As far as the metal goes, you can fill them with any either gas or diesel. And, the truck tanks have bung holes of varying sizes and locations, so you put hoses anywhere you deem convenient So, check out some large truck shops and the like, you may find some. Of note: Federal regulations state that you cannot carry more than 800lbs of a hazardous material (fuel)––-to include the weight of the carrying system (the tank, pump, hoses, etc)––-without the driver having a tank and hazmat endorsement on your CDL. And placards and. . . Anyways with fuel weighing about 7.?? a gallon, don't plan on carrying more than a 100 gallons without needing all the extra headaches. I'm not saying you wanted a tank that big, but they're out there––and cheaper than MFCs too! Also keep an eye out for houses upgrading or changing their heating system, you may be able to pick up a 275 gallon home heating tank for next to nothing. We were able to find a diesel tank that way too.Are you talking about total fuel including the vehicles fuel tanks or just the actual cargo of fuel? There are a lot truck on the road that requires a CDL to drive will have a minimum of two 100 gallon tanks on each side which would mean that all of those drivers would need a hazmat endorsement on their CDL just because of the fuel the truck needs to run. Fuel "services' tanks are not considered hazmat because they are part of the truck. Any diesel tank larger than 119 gallons is required to be labeled with a placard. Any hazardous material carried for hire requires a hazmat endorsement. Any placardable amount carried by any driver must have a CDL and hazmat endorsement. People carrying fuel in the bed of their pickup for their equipment are not required to have a hazmat endorsement. |
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My Father worked for a trucking company a while back and he managed to get some spare tanks off of the semi-trucks and we use them on the farm as stationary tanks. Like CTF250 states (I dont' know this for a fact but I also believe it to be true) they're built to a higher standard (or at least a different one). They work great and like you stated, they have the large fill holes for the big diesel nozzles. As far as the metal goes, you can fill them with any either gas or diesel. And, the truck tanks have bung holes of varying sizes and locations, so you put hoses anywhere you deem convenient So, check out some large truck shops and the like, you may find some. Of note: Federal regulations state that you cannot carry more than 800lbs of a hazardous material (fuel)––-to include the weight of the carrying system (the tank, pump, hoses, etc)––-without the driver having a tank and hazmat endorsement on your CDL. And placards and. . . Anyways with fuel weighing about 7.?? a gallon, don't plan on carrying more than a 100 gallons without needing all the extra headaches. I'm not saying you wanted a tank that big, but they're out there––and cheaper than MFCs too! Also keep an eye out for houses upgrading or changing their heating system, you may be able to pick up a 275 gallon home heating tank for next to nothing. We were able to find a diesel tank that way too.Are you talking about total fuel including the vehicles fuel tanks or just the actual cargo of fuel? There are a lot truck on the road that requires a CDL to drive will have a minimum of two 100 gallon tanks on each side which would mean that all of those drivers would need a hazmat endorsement on their CDL just because of the fuel the truck needs to run. Just the fuel that is cargo. If it's part of the fuel system of the vehicle, it doesn't count. You're right, almost every OTR truck out there would otherwise require a hazmat endorsement just to transport their own fuel––the govt somehow stopped short of being that stupid. ETA––-Echo2 that's an AWESOME score! They're very similar to what we have. |
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holy crap......I'll post pics tomarrow.....but I went over to the truck and trailer repair place in my little complex today.....jokingly asked how many free aluminum fuel tanks they had laying around....one guy I had done some little welding projects for, pulled me over to the side and asked why I needed them....I told him..and well... HE GAVE ME 2...COUNT THEM.....2....BRAND NEW 150 GAL ALUMINUM TANKS....NEVER HAD A DROP OF FUEL IN THEM....BRAND NEW....
I guess not charging him for the 5 and 10 minute jobs really paid off....
I'll post pics tomarrow.....but damn....I'm giddy. Get as many as you can and sell them on e-bay. Those things are not cheap. I'll take two for the advice.
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My Father worked for a trucking company a while back and he managed to get some spare tanks off of the semi-trucks and we use them on the farm as stationary tanks. Like CTF250 states (I dont' know this for a fact but I also believe it to be true) they're built to a higher standard (or at least a different one). They work great and like you stated, they have the large fill holes for the big diesel nozzles. As far as the metal goes, you can fill them with any either gas or diesel. And, the truck tanks have bung holes of varying sizes and locations, so you put hoses anywhere you deem convenient So, check out some large truck shops and the like, you may find some. Of note: Federal regulations state that you cannot carry more than 800lbs of a hazardous material (fuel)––-to include the weight of the carrying system (the tank, pump, hoses, etc)––-without the driver having a tank and hazmat endorsement on your CDL. And placards and. . . Anyways with fuel weighing about 7.?? a gallon, don't plan on carrying more than a 100 gallons without needing all the extra headaches. I'm not saying you wanted a tank that big, but they're out there––and cheaper than MFCs too! Also keep an eye out for houses upgrading or changing their heating system, you may be able to pick up a 275 gallon home heating tank for next to nothing. We were able to find a diesel tank that way too.Are you talking about total fuel including the vehicles fuel tanks or just the actual cargo of fuel? There are a lot truck on the road that requires a CDL to drive will have a minimum of two 100 gallon tanks on each side which would mean that all of those drivers would need a hazmat endorsement on their CDL just because of the fuel the truck needs to run. Just the fuel that is cargo. If it's part of the fuel system of the vehicle, it doesn't count. You're right, almost every OTR truck out there would otherwise require a hazmat endorsement just to transport their own fuel––the govt somehow stopped short of being that stupid. SSHHHHHHHH!!! Don't give them any ideas. My job is hard enough as it is. |
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i've been offered $400.00 for one....no sale.
My intention is to build a stand to hold one over the other to save space....and enough space on the bottom to store my NATO cans....this means I will be able to fill the NATO cans with gravity. I plan to have both for gas.....this frees up one of my 100gal tanks for K-1....and the other 100gal for disel.....I'll keep the 50gal K-1. If I have them at my home....and they are for personal use....are there any permits required for stored fuels? gonna be some heavy suckers....
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Quoted: i've been offered $400.00 for one....no sale. My intention is to build a stand to hold one over the other to save space....and enough space on the bottom to store my NATO cans....this means I will be able to fill the NATO cans with gravity. I plan to have both for gas.....this frees up one of my 100gal tanks for K-1....and the other 100gal for disel.....I'll keep the 50gal K-1. If I have them at my home....and they are for personal use....are there any permits required for stored fuels? gonna be some heavy suckers.... Well, I just heard you were planning on building a skinny shed...... I wonder what you could put in it..... |
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i've been offered $400.00 for one....no sale. My intention is to build a stand to hold one over the other to save space....and enough space on the bottom to store my NATO cans....this means I will be able to fill the NATO cans with gravity. I plan to have both for gas.....this frees up one of my 100gal tanks for K-1....and the other 100gal for disel.....I'll keep the 50gal K-1. If I have them at my home....and they are for personal use....are there any permits required for stored fuels? gonna be some heavy suckers.... Well, I just heard you were planning on building a skinny shed...... I wonder what you could put in it..... my thoughts too....
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Pics as promised....2 tanks....150gals each....new.... http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4024/4696165599_49dd5d99ff.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4696810308_a59595472b.jpg Question though......how much will these weigh when full? SCOOOOOOOORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You should be doing the Happy Dance for the next few months for that deal!! Congrats! |
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Pics as promised....2 tanks....150gals each....new.... http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4024/4696165599_49dd5d99ff.jpg http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4696810308_a59595472b.jpg Question though......how much will these weigh when full? SCOOOOOOOORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You should be doing the Happy Dance for the next few months for that deal!! Congrats! Now I gotta build the racks for them.....  .....oh well.....maybe I'll do a thread ion the construction.
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I have a rolling machine and am right across the way from a conveyor belt company....1/4" x 5" wide rubber belt....I got the drop....about 30ft....should be enough to make the saddles.
I have a couple 6", I-beams and some 3" sq tube steel to build the frames out of....and some 3" x 1/4" flat bar to roll the saddles. They shouldn't go anywhere....
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i bought three big truck fuel tanks. two 150 gallon tanks, and a 100 gallon tank, for $50.00 bucks each. i took the original mounts, and made a frame for them,. i have one, 150 gallon half full of fuel right now, one 150 is empty, and one 100 gallon is for kerosene, and is empty right now. i keep staybil in the fuel, and after a year, i have been using it in my truck, and atv with no ill effects. im working on getting them full soon. also they are good for gasoline, as the tank is made of aluminum, and the cap is made of brass, to prevent sparks. http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/shtftanks1.jpg http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/P3230042.jpg i bought a fuel caddy to get the fuel from the tanks to fill vehicles, and gas cans, it works great, and holds 30 gallons. fill it up at a gas station, and then crank the fuel into the big tanks, or use 5 gallon cans. use it to suck out gas, and roll it around to fill things up. works great. http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/12652.jpg What are you using to pull the fuel out of new cells? |
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Are you talking about total fuel including the vehicles fuel tanks or just the actual cargo of fuel? There are a lot truck on the road that requires a CDL to drive will have a minimum of two 100 gallon tanks on each side which would mean that all of those drivers would need a hazmat endorsement on their CDL just because of the fuel the truck needs to run. Fuel "services' tanks are not considered hazmat because they are part of the truck. Any diesel tank larger than 119 gallons is required to be labeled with a placard. Any hazardous material carried for hire requires a hazmat endorsement. Any placardable amount carried by any driver must have a CDL and hazmat endorsement. People carrying fuel in the bed of their pickup for their equipment are not required to have a hazmat endorsement. [/quote] Couple of corrections. Any combination of tanks totaling over 1000 lbs if full requires a placard, placard requires a CDL w/Hazmat and paperwork. So 2 55 gal drums is OK, 3 is out if full. A placarded amount does not require a CDL and hazmat endorsement if not carried in commerce. This exemption is legal but rarely used except for security reason (fed government/SWAT teams carrying small amounts of explosives.) or because of the huge pain in compliance (moving generators with 125 gallon belly tanks) Similarly many states have Hazmat exemptions for farmers and there is a push for one for loggers. Finally carrying fuel in a pickup truck doesn't change a thing. Anything over 119 gals or 1000 lbs requires a placard. I am told (by DOT RSPA) that there is a rarely enforced 440 lb limit that requires paperwork and a copy of the ERG be carried, but no Placards or Endorsement for loads above 440 lbs and below 1000. This is not enforced in AL or GA. The minimum requirement for the paperwork is trivial (I have blank copies in my BOB), but you must have a 24/7 POC for response, and you can't use Chemtrec unless you have a contract with them ($675/year). |
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Are you talking about total fuel including the vehicles fuel tanks or just the actual cargo of fuel? There are a lot truck on the road that requires a CDL to drive will have a minimum of two 100 gallon tanks on each side which would mean that all of those drivers would need a hazmat endorsement on their CDL just because of the fuel the truck needs to run. Fuel "services' tanks are not considered hazmat because they are part of the truck. Any diesel tank larger than 119 gallons is required to be labeled with a placard. Any hazardous material carried for hire requires a hazmat endorsement. Any placardable amount carried by any driver must have a CDL and hazmat endorsement. People carrying fuel in the bed of their pickup for their equipment are not required to have a hazmat endorsement. Couple of corrections. Any combination of tanks totaling over 1000 lbs if full requires a placard, placard requires a CDL w/Hazmat and paperwork. So 2 55 gal drums is OK, 3 is out if full. A placarded amount does not require a CDL and hazmat endorsement if not carried in commerce. This exemption is legal but rarely used except for security reason (fed government/SWAT teams carrying small amounts of explosives.) or because of the huge pain in compliance (moving generators with 125 gallon belly tanks) Similarly many states have Hazmat exemptions for farmers and there is a push for one for loggers. Finally carrying fuel in a pickup truck doesn't change a thing. Anything over 119 gals or 1000 lbs requires a placard. I am told (by DOT RSPA) that there is a rarely enforced 440 lb limit that requires paperwork and a copy of the ERG be carried, but no Placards or Endorsement for loads above 440 lbs and below 1000. This is not enforced in AL or GA. The minimum requirement for the paperwork is trivial (I have blank copies in my BOB), but you must have a 24/7 POC for response, and you can't use Chemtrec unless you have a contract with them ($675/year).[/quote] So traveling with my two 150gal tanks....is a no no.....but if I have them at my house....and use my 100 gal portable tank to fill them.....I'm good to go... 
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