Posted: 5/18/2010 6:22:18 PM EDT
| I knw pwople arent going to explain what they have but I am looking a building one. a coimplete weather station, comms, and other goddies. I am looking thngs like a a ham radio map and other things. I am actually building a room for this. |
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Not a bad idea. Some may think this is a not a legitimate idea, but think about how vulnerable we all felt on 9/11 and how it would be nice to have somewhere to go monitor everything.
At least one TV maybe more you can have a tuned into different news stations Police Scanners Ham Emergency lighting Landline Cell phones Desktop with web. Be ready to monitor local/national/world media. Twitter and Facebook are also excellent ways to monitor news W.I.S.E.R. Program installed on desktop Fire extinguishers Have your personal/family SOP printed and in binders Contact list in binders. Include local law enforcement, public works, utilities (gas, electric,water,sewer, telephone, internet) family, friends, hotels. Place to store BOB's |
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Maps, local city, state, us and a world atlas. Most state tourism have maps for free. Topo and nautical maps including "pilot (boat) maps" the can tell you hazards of local chemical plants and release points of toxic chemicals (train yards etc)
Office supplies. Postet notes, pens pencils and mechanical pencils. Tape and staples. Make it a working home office. Ham sure! But don't forget AM/FM/TV and police band. A radioshack shortwave can be "fun". Buy more than one and headphones for each. folding table for working on plans and people. Batteries. Lots of batteries. Electric lanterns and watter in the room. Sleeping pills, pep pills, advil. Whiskey. Salty individual serving high carb snacks. Toilet paper and fem products. Racks for sleeping, tarps. Maybe even a tent. |
| Once I get into a house I actually own, I plan to build a room in the basement that would be shaped as to not stand out. This room would primarily be a gun room, but would be where I store all(or most) of my food, water, ammo and comm gear. I'd also like it to be large enough to sleep 6 on military cots/bunk-beds, have plumbing(shower and sink) and back-up and main power, but that would be space and money reliant. It would be great as I will bug in, not out, and would serve me well if a tornado comes roaring through, which is the most probable SHTF situation for me. |
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video cammeras We have a rather largish thread about that. |
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jeffers_mz : I'm glad I'm not the only one with a crazy home setup ; ) I'll post a picture of mine soon. I dont realy view it as having much "survival" value, but it is damn cool! Um, ours are sane home setups. If you want crazy, look here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve_price82/sets/72157623389907037/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve_price82/sets/72157615999415092/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve_price82/sets/72157619797123449/
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[http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/jeffers_mz/2010office.jpg
This for the win...
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where do you think i got the idea |
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Ok here we go, the first is the workstation. Its 1 of 3 workstations (the others are simpler) . They are setup in 3 points arround me in a "U" configuration. http://www.angryludwig.com/mediacenter/images/workstation.jpg Here is the server core. It’s sealed behind a glass-front storm door. The room has its own air conditioner, thermostat and ventilation system. I pre-wired my home with CAT5 so most everything is hardwired to the servers in the house. The power grid for the basement here consists of 6 20AMP breakers. Everthing is on UPS with a generator backup. http://www.angryludwig.com/mediacenter/images/servers.jpg BTW, the images in this post are being pulled from the hardware you see here. So if you see this hardware, you just accessed it! There are two separate broad-band connections and two separate networks in use here. One for external use, and another private network for internal use. That's a nice looking rack full of gear. I'm guessing it has some kind of commercial purpose. I know how big a drive array I need to support my family (40gb is near full but adequate so far) , and that ain't it, that's at least 100 times bigger. You have more network than an average family needs too. I'm also guessing you are using KVM switches. I have mixed feelings about them. For one thing, we got them to work at the datacenter, for all the various OSes, but we had a lot more resources to throw at the problem too. For another, we didn't have legacy systems at work, where at home, I am perfectly happy with Win 98se for most of my machines. I run XP in the studio, my kids also use XP, and my laptop and one weather analysis machine run Vista, and some of the Win98 machines use PS2 style KB/M while others use USB. I've got a couple decent KVMs here, but neither actually work with all the machines, at least, not with the time and effort I've been willing to put in so far. Getting rid of several mice and KBs would be nice, but I use all the monitors, and I haven';t decided whether I'd rather have the extra desk space, or just let things go as they have been. I see survival aspects to this sort of set-up. I think situational awareness can be a function of how many different data feeds you have at any given time. Anyone surfing a place like AR15.com during a developing situation is going to be better off than a person glued to CNN. There are questions of scale, and also questions of bias. Scalewise, this forum can and does devote more manpower to ferreting out news on a single topic than even the largest networks. Sure, CNN or Fox has more people, but they are already heavily tasked, where, almost by definition, people here are free to go where the wind or their interests take them. When events break big enough, I'll have this and several other forums like this going, and the cross-feed amplification, second sourcing, etc of this setup puts me lightyears ahead of any of the networks. It actually gets boring waiting for HEADLINE NEWS to catch up to where we have been for tens of minutes or even hours. (LOL, the MSM STILL thinks some trader in Chicago fat fingered the market crash a couple weeks ago. There are downsides however. Just like a climber on Everest who loses O2 at altitude, it can be a lot worse to get used to certain levels of support, then lose them, than it is to never have had them in the first place. I've already noted what happens when the grid drops out from under me during a crisis(no UPS). I've taken some steps to keep the data flowing, the gennie, using wireless instead of a hardwired feed to the net, but I could take that a lot further. Odds are 50-50 that my wireless access point will go down when the grid drops at my home. Only about 2 miles between here and there, both of us depend on rural utility lines, not known for stability, or redundancy. I could add sat links to the net and avoid some of that, except for regional or global problems, but the returns on the investment just suck. I'd have to pay more than I do for wireless, basically a T up and down, to get a (part time) fractional T with sat, that I never use unless real SHTF. The minute real SHTF though, I will go into fuel conservation mode, and the home network is not a high priority at that point. I'd be paying for crap ser5vice, on top of good service, just to have access when SHTF, and due to fuel concerns, I'd bring the net down anyway, so sat is a waste from where I sit. For the most part, priorities change when the grid goes down far enough that I need sat feeds to the net. Instead of worrying about what may be happening in Istanbul, I'm more likely to be interested in who is moving across the county road network, especially in this direction, and ...well you know....fields of fire, choke points, available assets, etc. I think going to full solar (for the network, anyway) would eliminate the fuel concerns, and when and if that happens, I'll look into backup access to the net. I still have dial-up available, and could strengthen that with a cell link, but cell systems are vulnerable too. In a perfect world, solar power, plus a sat account, with zero allocated bandwidth, (and therefore zero or near zero monthly fees), but with a T's worth of burst bandwidth, would get me where I need to be. Unlikely I'll find that, (Qwest used to offer service like that, if you knew who to talk to, but I bet they don't anymore), but defining the perfect is the first step towards implementing the possible. Edit...a PDA would be a nice addition for a SHTF setup, easy to power on solar, but reliable, quality internet service, after SHTF, that doesn't killl my wallet BEFORE SHTF, is still the bottleneck. |
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just grabbed that wiser app for my phone.... that is freaking AWESOME!!! It is a useful program that can do a lot. They are really good at updating it as well. It's not an excuse for a properly trained hazmat team, but if SHTF it could prove helpful. yep, it's a lot faster than trying to find the hazmat book, and or trying to train impromptu first responders on proper triage procedures. |
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http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3272/commandcenter1.jpg http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/150/commandcenter2.jpg Complete with Aeron chair... and a Yaesu man too. |
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We are putting together our operations center at the BOL.
It will have our field phone switchboard, shortwave, UHF/VHF base station, and CB, scanner, etc.....It will also have the monitors for the cameras. We have the solar charger system for the batts....but the draw from the monitors is a killer.....it is a quad-split screen that cycles between all the cameras....we hope to have this switched over to a LCD monitor....but need to find a camera input board.....now it's attached to the monitor. The lighting is all LED....ran off a seperate deep cycle batt and inverter.....they are banks of christmas lights drill into a peice of plywood....remarkably bright. The room we have selected for this is about 12 x 14.....the window overlooks the 100yrds of driveway to the gate....so it'll probably have a good set of binocs and or one of our NVDs. lot to do...but were making headway every week. |
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I can definitely see the value in this for groups at a BOL...
A central location to coordinate security and defensive property applications: maybe video, wireless MURS alert systems, monitor outside CB/GMRS/HAM traffic and coordinate whatever security elements you would have. Just depends so much on what resources you have available and if something this complex would be a benefit or a resource drag... |
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I usually mention this in threads of this nature, but for some reason it falls on deaf ears. Set yourself up with FTA (free to air TV) basicly its really easy and pretty inexpensive to setup. I tell people its like having a TV version of a short wave radio.Link
Just one more thing to have, for SA |
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I usually mention this in threads of this nature, but for some reason it falls on deaf ears. Set yourself up with FTA (free to air TV) basicly its really easy and pretty inexpensive to setup. I tell people its like having a TV version of a short wave radio.Link Just one more thing to have, for SA No deaf ears here Ridge... Excellent idea. What size dish is needed, what receiver, what programming is available? |
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Ok here we go, the first is the workstation. Its 1 of 3 workstations (the others are simpler) . They are setup in 3 points arround me in a "U" configuration. http://www.angryludwig.com/mediacenter/images/workstation.jpg Here is the server core. It’s sealed behind a glass-front storm door. The room has its own air conditioner, thermostat and ventilation system. I pre-wired my home with CAT5 so most everything is hardwired to the servers in the house. The power grid for the basement here consists of 6 20AMP breakers. Everthing is on UPS with a generator backup. http://www.angryludwig.com/mediacenter/images/servers.jpg BTW, the images in this post are being pulled from the hardware you see here. So if you see this hardware, you just accessed it! There are two separate broad-band connections and two separate networks in use here. One for external use, and another private network for internal use. Are you located near Troy? |
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Ok here we go, the first is the workstation. <snip> Here is the server core. It’s sealed behind a glass-front storm door.The room has its own air conditioner, thermostat and ventilation system. The power grid for the basement here consists of 6 20AMP breakers. Everthing is on UPS with a generator backup. this is an interesting setup which probably belongs in the Urban Commandos forum but IMHO it is completely useless for the type of SHTF situations typically discussed here in the SF –– the most common being long term lack of commercial power. the fact that your large immense server/disk farm has a separate air conditioning system indicates that it is all but impossible to run the server and network infrastructure without supplying gross amounts of power (6x20A + air conditioning!). moreover, by the looks of it there is lot of manual work to load-shed; in other words, to adapt to lower power operation a lot of reconfiguration of disks and networking is required. and finally, the single point failure of the air conditioning system will cripple your entire computing/networking facility. Quoted:
BTW, the images in this post are being pulled from the hardware you see here. So if you see this hardware, you just accessed it! same here... except my total server load (LCD monitor off) is 16 watts (about 1.3A at 12Vdc). this setup will run for about 4 hours with a tiny UPS, and about 4 days directly powered by an external 105AH deep cycle marine battery. connecting a 100 watt solar panel and getting 4hrs of sunlight a day allows operation almost indefinitely. efficiency is very high because the server motherboard requires no external inverter –– it operates directly from any 12Vdc input. due to the extreme low power this server also does not require any forced air cooling whatsoever. no fans translates to higher system reliability. as for operating system and functionality –– when connected to the outside world via the internet, this system collects email (via postfix), serves web pages (apache/php/etc), allows secure webmail access (squirrelmail over ssl) and imap access (courier w/ cram-md5), permits remote login (ssh), serves up pictures such as you see below (gallery2), and also allows web-based remote access to my security and environmental monitoring systems. for example, i can check the house temperature and status of the heating system from anywhere there is a web browser. finally, a mirrored pair of 320GB drives provide plenty of online storage with high reliability. an external 500GB USB-drive is used for backups (both of itself and the household laptops), and duplication of security video. all of this happens with as little as 16 watts. when not connected to the outside world via my service provider i can send email and short messages locally/regionally/worldside via HF radio using Winmor and/or PSK31. all communications and computing equipment below can operate from the same 12Vdc supply –– whether it be derived from commercial AC power, from a deep cycle battery, from a tiny generator like my Honda Eu2000i, or even when umbilical'd to a vehicle outside. when your system is draws very little current there are a lot of SHTF options; e.g., a single 12V DeWalt driver-drill battery will provide about 5 hours of operation! the LCD monitor (21" samsung) brings the total power needed to about 34 watts, but this is only on when i need to be in front of it. the other thing i like about this setup is that it can be ready to be moved in about 30 seconds, in case of the need to bug-out. honestly i'm awed when folks have immense in-home systems UNLESS their employer is bearing the total cost of both powering it and cooling it –– or you are self-employed and can itemize and write off the electric bill. if not, you are paying twice over. gaming for a few hours on a high power system is one thing, but a 24x7x365 high power server is a waste of resources in SHTF situations. ar-jedi ps: http://www.mini-box.com/M350-universal-mini-itx-enclosure
http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D945GSEJT-Mini-ITX-Motherboard
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same here... except my total server load (LCD monitor off) is 16 watts (about 1.3A at 12Vdc). this setup will run for about 4 hours with a tiny UPS, and about 4 days directly powered by an external 105AH deep cycle marine battery. connecting a 100 watt solar panel and getting 4hrs of sunlight a day allows operation almost indefinitely. efficiency is very high because the server motherboard requires no external inverter –– it operates directly from any 12Vdc input. due to the extreme low power this server also does not require any forced air cooling whatsoever. no fans translates to higher system reliability. as for operating system and functionality –– when connected to the outside world via the internet, this system collects email (via postfix), serves web pages (apache/php/etc), allows secure webmail access (squirrelmail over ssl) and imap access (courier w/ cram-md5), permits remote login (ssh), serves up pictures such as you see below (gallery2), and also allows web-based remote access to my security and environmental monitoring systems. for example, i can check the house temperature and status of the heating system from anywhere there is a web browser. finally, a mirrored pair of 320GB drives provide plenty of online storage with high reliability. an external 500GB USB-drive is used for backups (both of itself and the household laptops), and duplication of security video. all of this happens with as little as 16 watts. when not connected to the outside world via my service provider i can send email and short messages locally/regionally/worldside via HF radio using Winmor and/or PSK31. all communications and computing equipment below can operate from the same 12Vdc supply –– whether it be derived from commercial AC power, from a deep cycle battery, from a tiny generator like my Honda Eu2000i, or even when umbilical'd to a vehicle outside. when your system is draws very little current there are a lot of SHTF options; e.g., a single 12V DeWalt driver-drill battery will provide about 5 hours of operation! the LCD monitor (21" samsung) brings the total power needed to about 34 watts, but this is only on when i need to be in front of it. the other thing i like about this setup is that it can be ready to be moved in about 30 seconds, in case of the need to bug-out. honestly i'm awed when folks have immense in-home systems UNLESS their employer is bearing the total cost of both powering it and cooling it –– or you are self-employed and can itemize and write off the electric bill. if not, you are paying twice over. gaming for a few hours on a high power system is one thing, but a 24x7x365 high power server is a waste of resources in SHTF situations. ar-jedi http://wopr.losdos.dyndns.org/gallery2/d/16776-1/DSCN5640.JPG http://wopr.losdos.dyndns.org/gallery2/d/16801-1/DSCN5643.JPG http://wopr.losdos.dyndns.org/gallery2/d/16766-1/DSCN5644.JPG http://wopr.losdos.dyndns.org/gallery2/d/16781-1/DSCN5648.JPG http://wopr.losdos.dyndns.org/gallery2/d/16771-1/DSCN5649.JPG ps: http://www.mini-box.com/M350-universal-mini-itx-enclosure http://resources.mini-box.com/online/ENC-M350/moreimages/M350-Universal-Mini-ITX-enclosure-b2.jpg http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D945GSEJT-Mini-ITX-Motherboard http://resources.mini-box.com/online/MBD-I-D945GSEJT/moreimages/image1.jpg its funny, i was just looking at these today. thinking of building one of these for a "go box" for when i finally pick up a HF radio. |
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Ok here we go, the first is the workstation. <snip> Here is the server core. It’s sealed behind a glass-front storm door.The room has its own air conditioner, thermostat and ventilation system. The power grid for the basement here consists of 6 20AMP breakers. Everthing is on UPS with a generator backup. this is an interesting setup which probably belongs in the Urban Commandos forum but IMHO it is completely useless for the type of SHTF situations typically discussed here in the SF –– the most common being long term lack of commercial power. the fact that your large immense server/disk farm has a separate air conditioning system indicates that it is all but impossible to run the server and network infrastructure without supplying gross amounts of power (6x20A + air conditioning!). moreover, by the looks of it there is lot of manual work to load-shed; in other words, to adapt to lower power operation a lot of reconfiguration of disks and networking is required. and finally, the single point failure of the air conditioning system will cripple your entire computing/networking facility. Quoted:
BTW, the images in this post are being pulled from the hardware you see here. So if you see this hardware, you just accessed it! same here... except my total server load (LCD monitor off) is 16 watts (about 1.3A at 12Vdc). this setup will run for about 4 hours with a tiny UPS, and about 4 days directly powered by an external 105AH deep cycle marine battery. connecting a 100 watt solar panel and getting 4hrs of sunlight a day allows operation almost indefinitely. efficiency is very high because the server motherboard requires no external inverter –– it operates directly from any 12Vdc input. due to the extreme low power this server also does not require any forced air cooling whatsoever. no fans translates to higher system reliability. as for operating system and functionality –– when connected to the outside world via the internet, this system collects email (via postfix), serves web pages (apache/php/etc), allows secure webmail access (squirrelmail over ssl) and imap access (courier w/ cram-md5), permits remote login (ssh), serves up pictures such as you see below (gallery2), and also allows web-based remote access to my security and environmental monitoring systems. for example, i can check the house temperature and status of the heating system from anywhere there is a web browser. finally, a mirrored pair of 320GB drives provide plenty of online storage with high reliability. an external 500GB USB-drive is used for backups (both of itself and the household laptops), and duplication of security video. all of this happens with as little as 16 watts. when not connected to the outside world via my service provider i can send email and short messages locally/regionally/worldside via HF radio using Winmor and/or PSK31. all communications and computing equipment below can operate from the same 12Vdc supply –– whether it be derived from commercial AC power, from a deep cycle battery, from a tiny generator like my Honda Eu2000i, or even when umbilical'd to a vehicle outside. when your system is draws very little current there are a lot of SHTF options; e.g., a single 12V DeWalt driver-drill battery will provide about 5 hours of operation! the LCD monitor (21" samsung) brings the total power needed to about 34 watts, but this is only on when i need to be in front of it. the other thing i like about this setup is that it can be ready to be moved in about 30 seconds, in case of the need to bug-out. honestly i'm awed when folks have immense in-home systems UNLESS their employer is bearing the total cost of both powering it and cooling it –– or you are self-employed and can itemize and write off the electric bill. if not, you are paying twice over. gaming for a few hours on a high power system is one thing, but a 24x7x365 high power server is a waste of resources in SHTF situations. ar-jedi http://wopr.losdos.dyndns.org/gallery2/d/16776-1/DSCN5640.JPG http://wopr.losdos.dyndns.org/gallery2/d/16801-1/DSCN5643.JPG http://wopr.losdos.dyndns.org/gallery2/d/16766-1/DSCN5644.JPG http://wopr.losdos.dyndns.org/gallery2/d/16781-1/DSCN5648.JPG http://wopr.losdos.dyndns.org/gallery2/d/16771-1/DSCN5649.JPG ps: http://www.mini-box.com/M350-universal-mini-itx-enclosure http://resources.mini-box.com/online/ENC-M350/moreimages/M350-Universal-Mini-ITX-enclosure-b2.jpg http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D945GSEJT-Mini-ITX-Motherboard http://resources.mini-box.com/online/MBD-I-D945GSEJT/moreimages/image1.jpg AR jedi , salesman of the year yet again . |
| I'd say a 36 inch dish at a minimum (sometimes they can be had for free like the old primestars) a clear view of the un-obstructed sky, your gonna need a mpeg 4 reciever they can be had on ebay, also check these these guys they are the best website out there when it comes to FTA, they also have good sponsors you can trust. I also recomemend a motor, some retailers have package deals with dish, reciever and motor packages like this This is all for KU band there is a quite a bit out there and once you get your feet wet, you can even try C band. In terms of programming there is a ton out there, but also a ton of crap too. It ranges from tons of news and local feeds, sometimes you get lucky and an event of concert of some sort will be broadcast in the clear (not illegal to watch if its in the clear) You can also get lucky and find movies sometimes its hard for me to get into it here, but there is the stuff that can just show up with no rhyme of reason in the clear (there are websites that help you track this) and then there is the stuff that runs 24/7 like "retro tv" There is probably more foreign stuff out there since MPEG-4 seems to be the way things are done everywhere else in the world except here. I like it because when stuff starts going news feeds pop up. Plus you can watch different news organizations from around the world. For me FTA is like cross between a scanner and a shortwave receiver. Once you get it all figured out you'd be surprised at the amount of programming that is out there you can watch. |
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AR jedi , salesman of the year yet again . thats who im blaming. LOL. ![]() don't blame me! ps: my power results with this particular setup are in no way exceptional... http://www.homeserverhacks.com/2009/06/hands-on-whs-build-with-intel-d945gsejt.html http://www.silentpcreview.com/Intel_D945GSEJT_with_Morex_T1610 <–– see table, page 4 http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54161 <–– boots from USB memory fob http://www.intel.com/Products/Desktop/Motherboards/D945GSEJT/D945GSEJT-overview.htm btw, my experience on this platform is with Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty) –– there are no issues, everything works out-of-the-box including wireless. the *only* thing that is lacking is complete support for lm-sensors, which is infrastructure to read the temperatures and voltages off of the motherboard and (optionally) alarm if anything is out of range. ar-jedi |










