Posted: 3/1/2010 1:40:19 PM EDT
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ok. i have used the comp m2 4moa, in the army. i liked it pretty well.......when i went to iraq i bought , and brought , a comp m3, 2moa, with me. i love it....................... loooong battery life, smaller dot for more precise shooting..................................... im going to have some $$ coming in a month or so, and i was seriously thinking about buying 2 more aimpoints, for my other 2 rifles that only have iron sights.
i was looking at the m4 sight, because it uses AA batteries, which i figured would be 100X easier to find, you can get rechargable ones as well, so years down the road you could still be using rechargable aa batteries, while the standard aimpoint batteries might be impossible to get...plus, you get 30,000 more battery hours....the only concern i have about the m4, is people reporting battery leakage from aa batteries destroying/ damaging their sights. if battery damage is not a real concern, id buy the m4 in a second..... either sight will be 2moa..... which sight should i buy??? 1. comp m3 2moa, standard aimpoint battery.... 50,000 hour 2. comp m4, 2moa, standard aa battery , 80,000 hour, |
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Use of lithium batteries should eliminate the leakage issue, from what I understand. Either sight would do well. I have an ML3 right now that I love. About to get a M4 because I need NV compatibility. Just a heads up. All of the Aimpoints will work with night vision devices, i.e. the low settings on the regular and "night vision" Aimpoints work about equally well. What the night vision Aimpoints have is a special lens coating that gives better low light/near IR light transmission so they give a brighter picture thru the sight. My suggestion is buy the night vision first and see how well it works with your existing Aimpoints before buying a night vision model. You may decide it is not needed. To the OP, I went with the standard Li battery version. Keep a few extra Li batteries as spares, they have a 10 year shelf life and if the day comes that you can't get replacement batteries you will run out of ammo long before you run out of battery time. |
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Use of lithium batteries should eliminate the leakage issue, from what I understand. Either sight would do well. I have an ML3 right now that I love. About to get a M4 because I need NV compatibility. Just a heads up. All of the Aimpoints will work with night vision devices, i.e. the low settings on the regular and "night vision" Aimpoints work about equally well. What the night vision Aimpoints have is a special lens coating that gives better low light/near IR light transmission so they give a brighter picture thru the sight. My suggestion is buy the night vision first and see how well it works with your existing Aimpoints before buying a night vision model. You may decide it is not needed. To the OP, I went with the standard Li battery version. Keep a few extra Li batteries as spares, they have a 10 year shelf life and if the day comes that you can't get replacement batteries you will run out of ammo long before you run out of battery time. I have a ML3 currently, and I have the night vision. The Aimpoint dot, even on the lowest setting, is just way too bright for the night vision. Instead of being a 2moa dot, it blooms out to take up about 50% of the sight picture. The NV capable Aimpoints do have a different coating like you said, but they also have settings that produce less light than even the lowest day setting will provide. |
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Use of lithium batteries should eliminate the leakage issue, from what I understand. Either sight would do well. I have an ML3 right now that I love. About to get a M4 because I need NV compatibility. Just a heads up. All of the Aimpoints will work with night vision devices, i.e. the low settings on the regular and "night vision" Aimpoints work about equally well. What the night vision Aimpoints have is a special lens coating that gives better low light/near IR light transmission so they give a brighter picture thru the sight. My suggestion is buy the night vision first and see how well it works with your existing Aimpoints before buying a night vision model. You may decide it is not needed. To the OP, I went with the standard Li battery version. Keep a few extra Li batteries as spares, they have a 10 year shelf life and if the day comes that you can't get replacement batteries you will run out of ammo long before you run out of battery time. I have a ML3 currently, and I have the night vision. The Aimpoint dot, even on the lowest setting, is just way too bright for the night vision. Instead of being a 2moa dot, it blooms out to take up about 50% of the sight picture. The NV capable Aimpoints do have a different coating like you said, but they also have settings that produce less light than even the lowest day setting will provide. The M3 is NV compatible. It's the same as your current sight but with extra NV settings. |
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I gave my opinion in another thread but i'm feeling talkative tonight so i'm giving it again. I'll never buy another high end piece of gear to use with aa's . I've tried doing the rechargeable aa thing twice now and have had shit results both times using what were supposed to be quality batts and chargers I know several people on hear have reported great luck with them but mine has been quite the opposite good luck if you go this route....... (i could have bought enough AA batteries to last me 10yrs for what i spent on rechargeables) I'm very satisfied with my M3 in a LaRue mount. Good luck with your decision. |
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Use of lithium batteries should eliminate the leakage issue, from what I understand. Either sight would do well. I have an ML3 right now that I love. About to get a M4 because I need NV compatibility. Just a heads up. All of the Aimpoints will work with night vision devices, i.e. the low settings on the regular and "night vision" Aimpoints work about equally well. What the night vision Aimpoints have is a special lens coating that gives better low light/near IR light transmission so they give a brighter picture thru the sight. My suggestion is buy the night vision first and see how well it works with your existing Aimpoints before buying a night vision model. You may decide it is not needed. To the OP, I went with the standard Li battery version. Keep a few extra Li batteries as spares, they have a 10 year shelf life and if the day comes that you can't get replacement batteries you will run out of ammo long before you run out of battery time. I have a ML3 currently, and I have the night vision. The Aimpoint dot, even on the lowest setting, is just way too bright for the night vision. Instead of being a 2moa dot, it blooms out to take up about 50% of the sight picture. The NV capable Aimpoints do have a different coating like you said, but they also have settings that produce less light than even the lowest day setting will provide. I have a CompMl-XD that works fine with gen 3 night vision. My CompM4s has more low level settings but the CompMl-XD does not bloom on the lowest setting. This has been discussed a few times in the night vision forum here and the general consensus was that the "regular' Aimpoint models work fine with night vision. There must be some models where this does not hold true based on your comments. |
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Use of lithium batteries should eliminate the leakage issue, from what I understand. Either sight would do well. I have an ML3 right now that I love. About to get a M4 because I need NV compatibility. if i was going to use night vision, i would use a head/helmet mount, and mount a ir laser to the rifle. its a lot faster than using the nv mounted on the rifle, and you have the extra visibility of being able to " look around you".....iv used this in iraq, and its awesome. the only way i would mount the nv to the rifle, is if it was a precision rifle, and shooting was going to be a long way off, such as a rifle scope, with nv mounted in front of the scope. ... ymmv |
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I myself am planning on getting the M3, just need to get the cash. If you are interested i found a place with brand new ML3's 4 or 2MOA for $416. PM ME. I found that place too. I ordered one when they has 3 in stock. Are they back in yet? I would like to order more...and also share the place with the rest of Arfcom... |
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I'll never buy another high end piece of gear to use with aa's . I've tried doing the rechargeable aa thing twice now and have had shit results both times using what were supposed to be quality batts and chargers No matter how "high-quality" your rechargeable batteries were, unless they were specifically designed for low self-discharge (Sanyo Eneloop or similar), you were doing it wrong... 
All conventional NiMH batteries will self-discharge in a very short time - typically just a couple of weeks. This makes them a poor choice for any device that sits unused for any significant amount of time - By the time you're ready to use your scope, flashlight or radio 3 months from now, the batteries will have already completely lost their charge. By contrast, low self-discharge NiMH cells will still have around 80 percent of their original charge after sitting unused for over a year. They are the only kind of NiMH AA or AAA cells to use in any device that you don't plan on using almost immediately after you've taken the cells off out of their charger. Most reflex and red-dot scopes have such a tiny current drain that it makes little sense to use rechargeable batteries in them - Conventional alkaline or lithium AA or AAA cells will run 'em for weeks or months on end. |
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Most reflex and red-dot scopes have such a tiny current drain that it makes little sense to use rechargeable batteries in them - Conventional alkaline or lithium AA or AAA cells will run 'em for weeks or months on end. Or in the case of an Aimpoint, years! |
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Most reflex and red-dot scopes have such a tiny current drain that it makes little sense to use rechargeable batteries in them - Conventional alkaline or lithium AA or AAA cells will run 'em for weeks or months on end. Or in the case of an Aimpoint, years! aimpoint claims 80,000 hours with aa batteries. im still using my original battery in my m3, and its been 3 years...... |
| I have never had a charged battery leak. The only AA batteries I have had leak were when they were discharged. I have an M4s because I wanted a bettery format that is compatible with other things I have AND I can find them anywhere. I leave it on 24/7/365. I replace the battery on election day whether it needs it or not, though I'm sure it does not really need to be if Aimpoints claims are close to correct. |