Posted: 1/7/2010 7:21:57 PM EDT
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I would like to take some training courses. I am NOT interested in square range training and learning how to shoot drills. I am already pretty competant at that and can work on that with my shooting partners here.
I AM intersted in training that covers tactics, patrolling, survival, logistics, combat medicine etc. I am interested in having the training as realistic as possible and as hands on as possible. (Think Tactical Response High Risk Civilian Contractor Shooting Package) So instead of posting this in the training forum I posted it here as this forum tends to have people who are most aligned with my goals. So, the million dollar question: What courses would you suggest and why? If you have attended the course I would love to hear your feedback on it. |
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I would like to take some training courses. I am NOT interested in square range training and learning how to shoot drills. I am already pretty competant at that and can work on that with my shooting partners here. I AM intersted in training that covers tactics, patrolling, survival, logistics, combat medicine etc. I am interested in having the training as realistic as possible and as hands on as possible. (Think Tactical Response High Risk Civilian Contractor Shooting Package) So instead of posting this in the training forum I posted it here as this forum tends to have people who are most aligned with my goals. So, the million dollar question: What courses would you suggest and why? If you have attended the course I would love to hear your feedback on it. You answered your own question. |
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Darc1 is good training!! But it may hurt... a little!
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o176/gregdswain/darc1.jpg |
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I would like to take some training courses. I am NOT interested in square range training and learning how to shoot drills. I am already pretty competant at that and can work on that with my shooting partners here. I AM intersted in training that covers tactics, patrolling, survival, logistics, combat medicine etc. I am interested in having the training as realistic as possible and as hands on as possible. (Think Tactical Response High Risk Civilian Contractor Shooting Package) So instead of posting this in the training forum I posted it here as this forum tends to have people who are most aligned with my goals. So, the million dollar question: What courses would you suggest and why? If you have attended the course I would love to hear your feedback on it. What square range training have you been to? Could you score high shooter in one of Pat Rogers' courses, for example? Mind you, you'll be competing against real life contractors, .mil, LE, etc. that seem to get some good experience out of the square range. If you havn't taken any real training, you have no idea what you are talking about. |
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Tactical Response is a good school and the contractor class is great for contractors, but I don't know that it's what your looking for. Look into this one;
Recondo Training The cost is high, but it's the real deal. Private is what you're looking for
This is the best way to go if you can. PM me if you want...I may be able to help you find someone. |
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Darc1 is good training!! But it may hurt... a little! http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o176/gregdswain/darc1.jpg LOL - Looks like you got Blue Falconed a few times or didn't place the threat side leg forward during minimum exposure PM/HB. You must be an AUW grad: Did you find your "cheese"? Still having nightmares from the porno intersection/cubicle room..... |
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I fully understand the urge to get quality training.
are you going to do this for a career or is this for "personal" knowledge. if it's the latter, your most likely wasting your time, but hey it's a free country, and there are all sorts of "hobbies" out there from mild to wild. get references whatever you do from folks that have actually been to the schools. some are just masochistic hurt farms with very little in real world training applicable to real life. |
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Darc1 is good training!! But it may hurt... a little! http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o176/gregdswain/darc1.jpg Damn... That looks fun. 
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This probably isn't what you are looking for, but for shooting look here.
I can personally speak for Jeff's classes, both content and instructor ability. I do not know about his other instructor cadre, but HE is a great instructor. High round count, repetition, and focus on fundamentals. I would take more classes from him, but alas not enough funds right now. 
Again, I think his classes focus on shooting and tactics. Don't know if he covers the other stuff you're looking for (it's been a while since I took one of his classes). Maybe you've got the shooting covered (after I went back and read your OP for a second time)... H_M |
Go to the Marines and say I want to be an 03! 6 months training 19 months over in Iraq and you should be good!
Really if your going to go for any training remember something if you go for hand to hand and they don't have a Red man suit or something like it your wasting your time and money. If you go to some place to teach you how to shoot at people and they don't have simunitions or FX then your wasting your time and money(paintball is ok it's better then nothing). Can learn to fight someone if you have to go at 20% so no one gets hurt. Can't learn how to shoot at someone if all your shooting at is made of paper and does not shoot back! |
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I would like to take some training courses. I am NOT interested in square range training and learning how to shoot drills. I am already pretty competant at that O'Rly? Why does everyone want to be high-speed, low-drag without the basics? AKConvert, join the USMC and make sure you request infantry. You'll get your wish. John |
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I would like to take some training courses. I am NOT interested in square range training and learning how to shoot drills. I am already pretty competant at that O'Rly? Why does everyone want to be high-speed, low-drag without the basics? AKConvert, join the USMC and make sure you request infantry. You'll get your wish. John Geez, tough crowd tonight. Pat Rogers, Jeff Gonzales, Defensive Edge, Tactical Response, and yes, Gabe Suarez. Gabe will have classes on patrolling, small unit tactics, use of a SAW along with infantry squad (only one who does that), etc. Defensive Edge and Tac Response have "combat medicine" type of classes. Pat and Jeff teach excellent combat shooting/shoot on the move/lowlight stuff. |
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I would like to take some training courses. I am NOT interested in square range training and learning how to shoot drills. I am already pretty competant at that O'Rly? Why does everyone want to be high-speed, low-drag without the basics? AKConvert, join the USMC and make sure you request infantry. You'll get your wish. John Doesn't really matter. Every advanced course I'm familiar with has 'square range training' prerequisites. I don't even argue anymore, I just look sympathetic when people complain about having to take a solid handgun / carbine course at a minimum before trying to learn any sort of team tactics. I gave up arguing about such at about the same time that I gave up arguing that a basic physical fitness program was a necessary part of any such training regimen. Interestingly enough, I re-took handgun I and carbine I last year, after several years of progressively more advanced classes. I learned at least as much re-taking those basic courses as I have in any of the advanced courses. |
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I would like to take some training courses. I am NOT interested in square range training and learning how to shoot drills. I am already pretty competant at that O'Rly? Why does everyone want to be high-speed, low-drag without the basics? AKConvert, join the USMC and make sure you request infantry. You'll get your wish. John Doesn't really matter. Every advanced course I'm familiar with has 'square range training' prerequisites. I don't even argue anymore, I just look sympathetic when people complain about having to take a solid handgun / carbine course at a minimum before trying to learn any sort of team tactics. I gave up arguing about such at about the same time that I gave up arguing that a basic physical fitness program was a necessary part of any such training regimen. Interestingly enough, I re-took handgun I and carbine I last year, after several years of progressively more advanced classes. I learned at least as much re-taking those basic courses as I have in any of the advanced courses. After three or four years of carbine courses, I'm looking for a break there. I'm going to take some basic and intermediate handgun this year and see if I can continue to improve on my basics. And I'll be teaching rifle basics on the Appleseed trail this year and I'm optimistic I'll get some trigger time in there as well. I took my first knife class a week or so ago and had a great time and learned a ton. Might be spending more time learning about knives –– relevant and useful as I carry one everyday as it is. Might as well learn what the hell I'm doing with it. Basics is where it's at. You can't go wrong with them! Team tactics? I'm a civilian. Not even a cop civilian. I'm not gunning for a squad of villains. Just protecting me and mine. John |
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I would like to take some training courses. I am NOT interested in square range training and learning how to shoot drills. I am already pretty competant at that O'Rly? Why does everyone want to be high-speed, low-drag without the basics? AKConvert, join the USMC and make sure you request infantry. You'll get your wish. John Doesn't really matter. Every advanced course I'm familiar with has 'square range training' prerequisites. I don't even argue anymore, I just look sympathetic when people complain about having to take a solid handgun / carbine course at a minimum before trying to learn any sort of team tactics. I gave up arguing about such at about the same time that I gave up arguing that a basic physical fitness program was a necessary part of any such training regimen. Interestingly enough, I re-took handgun I and carbine I last year, after several years of progressively more advanced classes. I learned at least as much re-taking those basic courses as I have in any of the advanced courses. After three or four years of carbine courses, I'm looking for a break there. I'm going to take some basic and intermediate handgun this year and see if I can continue to improve on my basics. And I'll be teaching rifle basics on the Appleseed trail this year and I'm optimistic I'll get some trigger time in there as well. I took my first knife class a week or so ago and had a great time and learned a ton. Might be spending more time learning about knives –– relevant and useful as I carry one everyday as it is. Might as well learn what the hell I'm doing with it. Basics is where it's at. You can't go wrong with them! Team tactics? I'm a civilian. Not even a cop civilian. I'm not gunning for a squad of villains. Just protecting me and mine. John Team tactics can be something other then .mil stuff. I tend to take classes with some of my closest friends. If something does happen, especially anything of any sort of extended duration (Katrina, Mumbai...), they're the people I'm likely to be with. Having trained together and being on the same sheet of music could pay significant dividends. Truth though is that I wouldn't be investing the money / effort / time if it weren't also a hell of a lot of fun. Most of my focus for the past several months has been in Krav. I'll get a couple of firearms classes in this year though. |