Posted: 12/24/2009 11:22:39 AM EDT
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Went to feed store asked for Wheat (feed). Lady says they only have wheat bran.
Then tells me ALL whole wheat has gets planted each fall. (Then how do we get wheat for bread and feed? Guess farmers only plant/ harvest/replant over and over  )
Anyway, is the Bran type feed wheat what I need to store for food use? Or do I need tyo go to a different feedmill? I used to help farm corn and beans never wheat and NEVER have cooked with any grains. Any help is appreciated... |
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WheatMontana
There is a huge underground of people who bake their own bread. These dealers will order what you want (Spring/winter hard/ soft white or red) wheat. This is extremely high quality wheat. I have never seen a foreign object in it, and I have purchased over four hundred pounds. I buy "Prairie Gold" it makes a much lighter bread, what Americans are use to, while still having the excellent nutritional value. |
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Be careful!! Some grains bagged for feed have been fumigated and is not fit for human consumption. It can only be fed to certain types of animals. It will say on the bag if it has been treated. Unless you get it straight from the farm or grain elevator that collects it from the fields it would be better to buy the bagged cleaned wheat specifically for human consumption.
Merry Christmas to all. |
| Here is where I bought my wheat. Great price and can't beat the shipping! |
| Holy Cow!!!! I'm sitting on several hundred bushels of USDA certified organic hard red winter wheat. I've been thinking about going online and selling it, and may do just that. Mine has been cleaned and all I need to do is package and ship it. I could sure beat those prices. Send me an IM. |
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Consider going to the LDS for grain. WWR, you're in Ohio. The LDS has two Home Storage Centers there. They will sell you the bulk grain... cost is very reasonable. The 2009 price is $5.90 for a sack of 25 pounds. They'll help you can (#10 cans) or bag it (mylar pouches) as well.
The two local HSC's for you are: OH - Brecksville Phone (440) 526-4001 6900 Southpointe Pkwy Brecksville, Ohio 44141 OH - Groveport (Columbus) (614) 836-2627 4431 Marketing Place PO Box 367 Groveport, Ohio 43125 You can find their order form *here*. |
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Be careful!! Some grains bagged for feed have been fumigated and is not fit for human consumption. It can only be fed to certain types of animals. It will say on the bag if it has been treated. Unless you get it straight from the farm or grain elevator that collects it from the fields it would be better to buy the bagged cleaned wheat specifically for human consumption. Merry Christmas to all. Whitewater, Just make sure they understand you want feed wheat. If it's seed wheat it'll say so on the label. Don't worry about it, it's the same wheat that gets marketed for human consumption. The wife and I have been using wheat from the feed store to bake great bread. We have about 400 lbs put back. It works fine. gk |
| I couldn't get good wheat from my feed mill either. Being in Ohio check your local Amish bulk food store. If you have any amish around there probably is one, however small. That's what I did. Last month I bought some for $29 per 50 lb.bag. They ordered it to the store and I picked it up. They had alot of other neat items in the store as well. HTH, jeff |
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You want WHOLE wheat, not wheat bran. Wheat bran usually has been processed.
Be careful of these "great" internet deals with "free shipping" - it's just marketing BS guys. $10. worth of wheat that costs $25-30. to ship sold for $49.95 with "free" shipping Now a days everyone bi$%hes about shipping costs, but don't fall into the retard trap of thinking someone is really giving you "free shipping" when the product is marked up to include the costs of shipping (usually and THEN some).
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Be careful!! Some grains bagged for feed have been fumigated and is not fit for human consumption. It can only be fed to certain types of animals. It will say on the bag if it has been treated. Unless you get it straight from the farm or grain elevator that collects it from the fields it would be better to buy the bagged cleaned wheat specifically for human consumption. Merry Christmas to all. Whitewater, Just make sure they understand you want feed wheat. If it's seed wheat it'll say so on the label. Don't worry about it, it's the same wheat that gets marketed for human consumption. The wife and I have been using wheat from the feed store to bake great bread. We have about 400 lbs put back. It works fine. gk Even feed wheat can be treated with fungicides and insecticides that are harmful to humans. Some animals are able to eat it and don't store dangerous levels in their bodies. It is best to buy the stuff for human consumption or from a farmer as it comes out of the field. Be cautious. Gregg |
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Be careful!! Some grains bagged for feed have been fumigated and is not fit for human consumption. It can only be fed to certain types of animals. It will say on the bag if it has been treated. Unless you get it straight from the farm or grain elevator that collects it from the fields it would be better to buy the bagged cleaned wheat specifically for human consumption. Merry Christmas to all. Whitewater, Just make sure they understand you want feed wheat. If it's seed wheat it'll say so on the label. Don't worry about it, it's the same wheat that gets marketed for human consumption. The wife and I have been using wheat from the feed store to bake great bread. We have about 400 lbs put back. It works fine. gk Even feed wheat can be treated with fungicides and insecticides that are harmful to humans. Some animals are able to eat it and don't store dangerous levels in their bodies. It is best to buy the stuff for human consumption or from a farmer as it comes out of the field. Be cautious. Gregg +1 When I worked in a feedmill 20 yrs ago we would bomb the wheat bin w/ all kinds of nasties to kill weevle. It was all safe for livestock, but nothing I'd want to eat. -Slice |
Lowdown , you have a good point about anything being free. Someone ultimately pays the bill. Buckets with lids cost something, freight costs something and the product has a value. If it didn't have a value, you, the buyer, wouldn't be buying it. Then someone has to package it and get it ready for shipment. Often the product is the cheapest part of the cost. The product price per pound goes down with the size of the shipment. I just looked up the cost to ship a bucket of wheat to the midwest, the shipping was more than the cost of the wheat in the bucket. Need a semi load? Want to come to the farm and pick it up? It'll be alot cheaper
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Be careful!! Some grains bagged for feed have been fumigated and is not fit for human consumption. It can only be fed to certain types of animals. It will say on the bag if it has been treated. Unless you get it straight from the farm or grain elevator that collects it from the fields it would be better to buy the bagged cleaned wheat specifically for human consumption. Merry Christmas to all. Whitewater, Just make sure they understand you want feed wheat. If it's seed wheat it'll say so on the label. Don't worry about it, it's the same wheat that gets marketed for human consumption. The wife and I have been using wheat from the feed store to bake great bread. We have about 400 lbs put back. It works fine. gk Even feed wheat can be treated with fungicides and insecticides that are harmful to humans. Some animals are able to eat it and don't store dangerous levels in their bodies. It is best to buy the stuff for human consumption or from a farmer as it comes out of the field. Be cautious. Gregg +1 When I worked in a feedmill 20 yrs ago we would bomb the wheat bin w/ all kinds of nasties to kill weevle. It was all safe for livestock, but nothing I'd want to eat. -Slice Okay guys, if you're gonna scare us, let's here some specifics. Exactly what chemicals did you use 20 years ago and IF that's true, are they using them today? Something different? Or not at all? Inquiring minds want to know. gk |
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Be careful!! Some grains bagged for feed have been fumigated and is not fit for human consumption. It can only be fed to certain types of animals. It will say on the bag if it has been treated. Unless you get it straight from the farm or grain elevator that collects it from the fields it would be better to buy the bagged cleaned wheat specifically for human consumption. Merry Christmas to all. Whitewater, Just make sure they understand you want feed wheat. If it's seed wheat it'll say so on the label. Don't worry about it, it's the same wheat that gets marketed for human consumption. The wife and I have been using wheat from the feed store to bake great bread. We have about 400 lbs put back. It works fine. gk Even feed wheat can be treated with fungicides and insecticides that are harmful to humans. Some animals are able to eat it and don't store dangerous levels in their bodies. It is best to buy the stuff for human consumption or from a farmer as it comes out of the field. Be cautious. Gregg +1 When I worked in a feedmill 20 yrs ago we would bomb the wheat bin w/ all kinds of nasties to kill weevle. It was all safe for livestock, but nothing I'd want to eat. -Slice Okay guys, if you're gonna scare us, let's here some specifics. Exactly what chemicals did you use 20 years ago and IF that's true, are they using them today? Something different? Or not at all? Inquiring minds want to know. gk gk, I'm not trying to scare anybody. I'm just telling you what I did when I was much younger. We used chloropic, a REALLY nasty fumigant that would burn your eyes just preparing it, then we'd run like hell when we dumped. Sometimes we’d bomb the whole damn mill to kill rats. Walk in on Sunday (closed) to air it out and find 100’s if not 1000’s of dead rat-bastards… We did a lot of stuff there that might freak you out if you’re a cityboy. We never did anything that would hurt someone’s animal because that would a) cause a lot of legal problems and b) much worse, cause damage to the company’s reputation. But… the foodchain requirements for livestock are a lot different than those for humans. I have no idea what people do today –– the feedmill I worked in is closed and fortunately I have a desk job nowadays... And I don’t keep track of that kind of stuff anymore. Don’t expect the girl up-front to know the entire chain of possession of the grain either. Nobody does. Bottom line: based on my experience I’d buy something labeled for human consumption. I don’t know you, and I’m not sure what you big bold “IF” above is about. Go hang out at a feedmill or grain elevator for a while and tell us what YOU find… -Slice |
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gk, I'm not trying to scare anybody. I'm just telling you what I did when I was much younger. We used chloropic, a REALLY nasty fumigant that would burn your eyes just preparing it, then we'd run like hell when we dumped. Sometimes we’d bomb the whole damn mill to kill rats. Walk in on Sunday (closed) to air it out and find 100’s if not 1000’s of dead rat-bastards… We did a lot of stuff there that might freak you out if you’re a cityboy. We never did anything that would hurt someone’s animal because that would a) cause a lot of legal problems and b) much worse, cause damage to the company’s reputation. But… the foodchain requirements for livestock are a lot different than those for humans. I have no idea what people do today –– the feedmill I worked in is closed and fortunately I have a desk job nowadays... And I don’t keep track of that kind of stuff anymore. Don’t expect the girl up-front to know the entire chain of possession of the grain either. Nobody does. Bottom line: based on my experience I’d buy something labeled for human consumption. I don’t know you, and I’m not sure what you big bold “IF” above is about. Go hang out at a feedmill or grain elevator for a while and tell us what YOU find… -Slice HomeSlice, Perhaps I was being a bit too inflamatory with my challenge in bold type - please accept my apology. I did check out your link and based on that I would guess they're not using chloropic anymore. Only a guess. Common sense would also indicate to me that the stuff disapates to become harmless after a certain length of time anyway. Things have changed a lot in recent years and wide variety of commonly used chemicals in the past are no longer allowed in all aspects of our lives. One only has to go to the EPA's recent ruling that CO2 is a pollutant to know at least in some areas they've gone haywire. Soon we're all going to have to hold our breath or go to jail. I have not heard of any dangers associated with buying feed grains for human consumption. Quite the opposite - many people use & recomend it. As for me, I'm comfortable with it. With the way big brother is trying to look after my safety so well I figure if he were the least bit concerned he'd have put a "Not fit for human consumption" label on it by now. Best of luck. gk |
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Thanks for the good information. I will definitely stick to the stores/ types mentioned...did not know about the chemiclas! Merry Christmas to all! G-d bless! Where (general) in Ohio? There is a store near me that carries or if they are out, will order hard red winter wheat. |
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Consider going to the LDS for grain. WWR, you're in Ohio. The LDS has two Home Storage Centers there. They will sell you the bulk grain... cost is very reasonable. The 2009 price is $5.90 for a sack of 25 pounds. They'll help you can (#10 cans) or bag it (mylar pouches) as well. The two local HSC's for you are: OH - Brecksville Phone (440) 526-4001 6900 Southpointe Pkwy Brecksville, Ohio 44141 OH - Groveport (Columbus) (614) 836-2627 4431 Marketing Place PO Box 367 Groveport, Ohio 43125 You can find their order form *here*. +1 Where I go to get all my long-term stuff. Sugar, Wheat, Oats, etc. |
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gk, I'm not trying to scare anybody. I'm just telling you what I did when I was much younger. We used chloropic, a REALLY nasty fumigant that would burn your eyes just preparing it, then we'd run like hell when we dumped. Sometimes we’d bomb the whole damn mill to kill rats. Walk in on Sunday (closed) to air it out and find 100’s if not 1000’s of dead rat-bastards… We did a lot of stuff there that might freak you out if you’re a cityboy. We never did anything that would hurt someone’s animal because that would a) cause a lot of legal problems and b) much worse, cause damage to the company’s reputation. But… the foodchain requirements for livestock are a lot different than those for humans. I have no idea what people do today –– the feedmill I worked in is closed and fortunately I have a desk job nowadays... And I don’t keep track of that kind of stuff anymore. Don’t expect the girl up-front to know the entire chain of possession of the grain either. Nobody does. Bottom line: based on my experience I’d buy something labeled for human consumption. I don’t know you, and I’m not sure what you big bold “IF” above is about. Go hang out at a feedmill or grain elevator for a while and tell us what YOU find… -Slice ... Common sense would also indicate to me that the stuff disapates to become harmless after a certain length of time anyway. Things have changed a lot in recent years and wide variety of commonly used chemicals in the past are no longer allowed in all aspects of our lives. One only has to go to the EPA's recent ruling that CO2 is a pollutant to know at least in some areas they've gone haywire. Soon we're all going to have to hold our breath or go to jail. I have not heard of any dangers associated with buying feed grains for human consumption. Quite the opposite - many people use & recomend it. As for me, I'm comfortable with it. With the way big brother is trying to look after my safety so well I figure if he were the least bit concerned he'd have put a "Not fit for human consumption" label on it by now. Best of luck. gk You're correct. All fumigants are just that, fumigants. The chemicals break down and release a gas that kills pests. These gases dissipate over time. Some are fast release (minutes or hours, but usually no more than 2 days), and some slow release ( days, weeks, months). Currently I'm not aware of any chemical that is rated to protect wheat for longer than 9 months. So if you're nervous, put the wheat in the freezer to ensure that any bugs are dead, then store it sealed in mylars or something for at least 9 months and you should be perfectly fine. If the product is bagged, no matter if it is for animal feed, or human consumption, there should not be any traces of fumigants remaining in the wheat. The real concern is toxins from fungus problems (head scab is a big problem for wheat in Indiana). Animal feeds are allowed to be sold with higher concentrations of these toxins. For example, there is one (can't think of the name right now) that can be sold with up to 10 ppm for animal feed, but only 2 ppm for human consumption. That is 5 times the toxin level for animal feed vs human food. Now, most of these toxins aren't really "toxins" in the traditional sense that many think. They aren't likely to kill you; but they're likely to make you sick to your stomach (vomiting) and often times they will cause "feed rejection" in animals, where the animals know that the feed is what made them sick the first time so they stop eating completely and it is difficult to get them to eat again. |