[ARCHIVED THREAD] - One Second After... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/9/2009 9:32:00 PM EDT
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So I finally pulled the trigger on this book.
I have had my eye on it at Barnes & Noble and went to pick it up today. I was sad when I got there and it was not on the shelf where it was. I went and asked the guy at the counter about it and he said,"Yea we have it, it is on the 50% off endcap." So just a heads up to anyone wanting it, it was just $12. |
| I bought it and burned through it in a few days. Great book. I admit to being a little misty eyed at parts. Several here have ripped on the books portrayal of EMP effects, but the author did consult with an expert in the field. I would think its better to plan for the worst and end up somewhere better than expected. |
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I finished it last week. A good read for sure. The book really shines on the importance of stockpiling food and medical supplies, imo. +1 Very good read. Very eye opening to just how dependent we are to the "just in time" inventory system most stores, pharmacies, etc. use to keep supplies on hand. It makes one realize just how fragile we really are. |
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I thought it was pretty good but several premises are faulty IMO. For instance- I do not think there would be a mass movement of people from one location to another on foot. The tendency of most folks- esp. in lazy America- would be to hunker down. I just don't think there would be tens of thousands heading west on 40 like the book depicted. Lots of thought-provoking concepts though: the implications of martial law, medical issues, the us vs. them mentality, willingness to use deadly force to protect oneself and others, setting priorities, etc. Overall a worthwhile read. 4073 |
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The part I have trouble with is 1500-2000 marauder army.
It takes alot of command and control for such a force. Other then that part I loved the book.It has me really reviewing my preps for an EMP event. I'm Going to build some Farday boxes before the summer is up. John |
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I thought it was pretty good but several premises are faulty IMO. For instance- I do not think there would be a mass movement of people from one location to another on foot. The tendency of most folks- esp. in lazy America- would be to hunker down. I just don't think there would be tens of thousands heading west on 40 like the book depicted. Lots of thought-provoking concepts though: the implications of martial law, medical issues, the us vs. them mentality, willingness to use deadly force to protect oneself and others, setting priorities, etc. Overall a worthwhile read. 4073 I believe that there will definitely be a mass exodus of people from the cities. They will become death traps. Once the food runs out, they would slowly, but surely start heading out into the countryside. |
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I thought it was pretty good but several premises are faulty IMO. For instance- I do not think there would be a mass movement of people from one location to another on foot. The tendency of most folks- esp. in lazy America- would be to hunker down. I just don't think there would be tens of thousands heading west on 40 like the book depicted. Lots of thought-provoking concepts though: the implications of martial law, medical issues, the us vs. them mentality, willingness to use deadly force to protect oneself and others, setting priorities, etc. Overall a worthwhile read. 4073 I thought about that also, but look at all the people that were walking out of New Orleans after Katrina. Now add a lack of transportation with a lack of food on top of that and you have a mass migration on foot. There are so many sheeple out there that believe that the "country" has plenty of food on farms that people would leave the "starving city". |
| Americans are mobile. I bet anyone traveling and stranded would try to get home. I would. The gangs and criminals would band together for sure for the easy pickin's. City's without a ready water supply would empty pretty quick. Some city's government would disintegrate while others would pull together. Great book. In one regard, it's a continuation of Lights Out in another town and from another perspective. Good to 'talk' about it, too. |
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I understand the 'why' of people wanting to seek better environs.
I just think that fat, lazy-ass, unprepared people are going to die in place hoping someone will come rescue them. Go to the mall and watch how many out-of-shape whales walk past. Then add to the fact they have no idea where they are going or what they will find or do once they get there- I just don't see it. Now surely some WILL wander looking to scavenge and possible pillage. I have no doubt about that. I just don't think in the masses the book portrayed. I did take heed to the reminder of how many people are medically dependent on prescriptions, advanced medical care, services etc. and how fast they would die off without it. 4073 |
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I actually have a question that someone here might be able to answer. Has anyone tried putting beer in a moving stream to keep it cool? I wonder if that technique would have helped to keep the insulin cool for better shelf life?
I do know that emerging soda in plain ice does not cool it down nearly as fast as if there is melted water in the ice. |
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The part I have trouble with is 1500-2000 marauder army. It takes alot of command and control for such a force. Other then that part I loved the book.It has me really reviewing my preps for an EMP event. I'm Going to build some Farday boxes before the summer is up. John Imagine how the Armies of the past controlled thousands, there are battles of 100k soldiers, before telephones, laptops. I think in some ways modern communications is over rated. Hate to think a server crashing would result in a lost battle. |
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I thought it was pretty good but several premises are faulty IMO. For instance- I do not think there would be a mass movement of people from one location to another on foot. The tendency of most folks- esp. in lazy America- would be to hunker down. I just don't think there would be tens of thousands heading west on 40 like the book depicted. Lots of thought-provoking concepts though: the implications of martial law, medical issues, the us vs. them mentality, willingness to use deadly force to protect oneself and others, setting priorities, etc. Overall a worthwhile read. 4073 I thought about that also, but look at all the people that were walking out of New Orleans after Katrina. Now add a lack of transportation with a lack of food on top of that and you have a mass migration on foot. There are so many sheeple out there that believe that the "country" has plenty of food on farms that people would leave the "starving city". If it were the right time of year, they could be put to work harvesting it. Instead of letting it rot on the vein. Gee you mean people might have to do real work, get blisters, sore backs. Damn....Welcome to reality. |
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Americans are mobile. I bet anyone traveling and stranded would try to get home. I would. The gangs and criminals would band together for sure for the easy pickin's. City's without a ready water supply would empty pretty quick. Some city's government would disintegrate while others would pull together. Great book. In one regard, it's a continuation of Lights Out in another town and from another perspective. Good to 'talk' about it, too. I plan to get it, I just, the one thing that turns me off on Patriots, and I am not finished. There is another one in electronic form. It reads as an advertisement, they go out of their way to say this type of weapon, ammo, sights, etc etc... Heck in a real world collapse, it will be like the Night of the Living Dead, nails, boards, hammer, pistol, with some loose rounds, shotgun with a dozen shells. I know we types have 1k rounds in various sizes, but I don't want to read a book that says, colt ar15, or LWRC, or FNFAL. Patriots seemed unrealistic because I have never known anyone in their age group, who planned long range survival. Hell that would be sort of depressing to go and drop 75k on a college education, only to plan for total chaos. Good luck though. |
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The part I have trouble with is 1500-2000 marauder army. It takes alot of command and control for such a force. Other then that part I loved the book.It has me really reviewing my preps for an EMP event. I'm Going to build some Farday boxes before the summer is up. John Imagine how the Armies of the past controlled thousands, there are battles of 100k soldiers, before telephones, laptops. I think in some ways modern communications is over rated. Hate to think a server crashing would result in a lost battle. Sparks, I concede on the battles of the past but those 100k armies had discipline. I would think a maruader army would be ruled by an Alpha male, sort of like a war chief. while i'm sure in time that could happen, I just find it more likely to see smaller bands of 50 or less. Just my thoughts John |
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The part I have trouble with is 1500-2000 marauder army. It takes alot of command and control for such a force. Other then that part I loved the book.It has me really reviewing my preps for an EMP event. I'm Going to build some Farday boxes before the summer is up. John Imagine how the Armies of the past controlled thousands, there are battles of 100k soldiers, before telephones, laptops. I think in some ways modern communications is over rated. Hate to think a server crashing would result in a lost battle. Sparks, I concede on the battles of the past but those 100k armies had discipline. I would think a maruader army would be ruled by an Alpha male, sort of like a war chief. while i'm sure in time that could happen, I just find it more likely to see smaller bands of 50 or less. Just my thoughts John I think your probably right, there will be 1000's of bands of 50 or less. I also agree that in what might be our future, it will be that way. Any functioning government entities would ban together, i.e. LEO's, National Guard, Army Marine Units. In an attempt to preserve order. But they all have families too. Armies must be reinforced, resupplied or it falls apart and disentegrates. So we will have to deal with those that prey on the weak. Your right there will be no discipline in the future, just pure chaos. Hell the world is heading that way now. |
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Got the book also for 50% off at Barnes and Noble. Thought is was an Ok read. I have spent some time in Black Mountain and stayed across the street from tiny Montreat college.
Got a kick out of the author's/protagnist's comment in the book about the other college in Swannanoa that wouldn't hire him and that it was ok because the students would starve. Well my Niece went to that college - Warren-Wilson. One of the only work program colleges left in the US, a left over from the 1800's Triad concept. All students have to work in various work details in the school. They have a large working farm and sell the meat from the livestock, raise corn, barley, etc. Have a 600+ acre forest and a large organic garden. The students are required as part of their education to work the land. If anything they wouldn't starve. I liked Lights Out also but thought that the premise of EMP was flawed in both books but understand why they chose that type of disaster for their books. Testing has shown that EMP couldn't do as much damage as either book portrays and that most cars would function fine. I'm more concerned about Osama blowing suitcase Nukes in 8 major cities in the US. |
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The part I have trouble with is 1500-2000 marauder army. It takes alot of command and control for such a force. Other then that part I loved the book.It has me really reviewing my preps for an EMP event. I'm Going to build some Farday boxes before the summer is up. John Imagine how the Armies of the past controlled thousands, there are battles of 100k soldiers, before telephones, laptops. I think in some ways modern communications is over rated. Hate to think a server crashing would result in a lost battle. Sparks, I concede on the battles of the past but those 100k armies had discipline. I would think a maruader army would be ruled by an Alpha male, sort of like a war chief. while i'm sure in time that could happen, I just find it more likely to see smaller bands of 50 or less. Just my thoughts John I think your probably right, there will be 1000's of bands of 50 or less. I also agree that in what might be our future, it will be that way. Any functioning government entities would ban together, i.e. LEO's, National Guard, Army Marine Units. In an attempt to preserve order. But they all have families too. Armies must be reinforced, resupplied or it falls apart and disentegrates. So we will have to deal with those that prey on the weak. Your right there will be no discipline in the future, just pure chaos. Hell the world is heading that way now. I think there were a few realistic fights in the book. When they kicked in his back door at night while he and Family were sleeping is one example. For the most part i kind envision there being alot of CQB. I think alot of fights could resemble the small unit actions in the French Indian war. |
| Both "Lights Out" and "One Second After" got the loss of power grid, no communication, and the loss of public utilities (except for maybe natural gas) correct. In effect, it probably doesn't matter if most cars are still running as all this will mean is we'll burn up the remaining gas supplies quite quickly. Then, there won't be cars running since the refineries and pumping stations won't be running. In effect, it's the same with the possible exception of still having tractors to bring in the harvest and still having trains to move large food supplies to the cities. You'd still have to manually turn the railroad switches though; so, it certainly won't be fast. I really think that once the water's out, as it will be in a few hours in most cities, people will have to be on the move. They're going to have to go get water. Most houses aren't sitting beside a ready water source, and most surface sources will become contaminated quickly. |
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I liked Lights Out also but thought that the premise of EMP was flawed in both books but understand why they chose that type of disaster for their books. Testing has shown that EMP couldn't do as much damage as either book portrays and that most cars would function fine. This question is for anyone and I know One Second After is a piece of fiction, but help me understand this: Is the EMP effect overstated? The tests results, are they published? What would be effected; cars, radios, motors, transformers, computers, etc? In the Cold War day's I remember hearing that a first strike would be an air burst just for disabling communication. |
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Let me start off by saying I'm not a nuclear scientist but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express. From what I've read, Oakridge laboratories did testing years ago and found that most cars survived. The metal cars form a Faraday cage that diverts the charge to ground just like lightning. Since no one has experienced a many megaton airburst no one knows for sure, but the science seems to indicate that some electronics that don't have an "antenna"will survive. It's the square of the distance as far as effect so the falloff is exponential.
Generators. Vacuum tubes, motors and many cars may be OK. The grid would most probably be knocked out because of the thousanda of miles of overhead wire. Hopefully nuclear plants are EMP hardened. Heres an example of lightning hitting a car that demonstrates the Faraday effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve6XGKZxYxA Here is a plane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmxqSnjfIEs&NR=1 I would guess that to generate the type of EMP that would knock everything out we would have to be hit with a massive nuclear attack and EMP problems would be secondary to the blast and fallout. |
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Got the book also for 50% off at Barnes and Noble. Thought is was an Ok read. I have spent some time in Black Mountain and stayed across the street from tiny Montreat college. Got a kick out of the author's/protagnist's comment in the book about the other college in Swannanoa that wouldn't hire him and that it was ok because the students would starve. Well my Niece went to that college - Warren-Wilson. One of the only work program colleges left in the US, a left over from the 1800's Triad concept. All students have to work in various work details in the school. They have a large working farm and sell the meat from the livestock, raise corn, barley, etc. Have a 600+ acre forest and a large organic garden. The students are required as part of their education to work the land. If anything they wouldn't starve. I liked Lights Out also but thought that the premise of EMP was flawed in both books but understand why they chose that type of disaster for their books. Testing has shown that EMP couldn't do as much damage as either book portrays and that most cars would function fine. I'm more concerned about Osama blowing suitcase Nukes in 8 major cities in the US. I live in the area and I noticed that, too. WWC would have been a big food provider. The other thing omitted in the book was the presence of a very large (800,000 sq ft) food distribution center in Swannanoa. Other than that, I really enjoyed the book. The local alternative paper, Mountain Xpress, just featured Forstchen and "One Second After" in this week's edition. I'm a little surprised as they are usually all hippies, all pro-Obama, all the time. http://www.mountainx.com/news/2009/070809apocalypse_wnc |
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Let me start off by saying I'm not a nuclear scientist but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express. From what I've read, Oakridge laboratories did testing years ago and found that most cars survived. The metal cars form a Faraday cage that diverts the charge to ground just like lightning. Since no one has experienced a many megaton airburst no one knows for sure, but the science seems to indicate that some electronics that don't have an "antenna"will survive. It's the square of the distance as far as effect so the falloff is exponential. Generators. Vacuum tubes, motors and many cars may be OK. The grid would most probably be knocked out because of the thousanda of miles of overhead wire. Hopefully nuclear plants are EMP hardened. Heres an example of lightning hitting a car that demonstrates the Faraday effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve6XGKZxYxA Here is a plane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmxqSnjfIEs&NR=1 I would guess that to generate the type of EMP that would knock everything out we would have to be hit with a massive nuclear attack and EMP problems would be secondary to the blast and fallout. Thanks for sharing that info. |
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Let me start off by saying I'm not a nuclear scientist but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express. From what I've read, Oakridge laboratories did testing years ago and found that most cars survived. The metal cars form a Faraday cage that diverts the charge to ground just like lightning. Since no one has experienced a many megaton airburst no one knows for sure, but the science seems to indicate that some electronics that don't have an "antenna"will survive. It's the square of the distance as far as effect so the falloff is exponential. Generators. Vacuum tubes, motors and many cars may be OK. The grid would most probably be knocked out because of the thousanda of miles of overhead wire. Hopefully nuclear plants are EMP hardened. Heres an example of lightning hitting a car that demonstrates the Faraday effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve6XGKZxYxA Here is a plane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmxqSnjfIEs&NR=1 I would guess that to generate the type of EMP that would knock everything out we would have to be hit with a massive nuclear attack and EMP problems would be secondary to the blast and fallout. Lighting is not even close to the same thing as an EMP. Those videos have nothing to do with EMP. The body of a car is the ground. Everything that is electrically connected is connected to it. I would rather expect them not to work and get pleasantly surprised. |
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Here a excerpt about autos tested from the April 2008 EMP commission report. These were 37, 1986 -2002 autos:
We tested a sample of 37 cars in an EMP simulation laboratory, with automobile vintages ranging from 1986 through 2002. Automobiles of these vintages include extensive electronics and represent a significant fraction of automobiles on the road today. The testing was conducted by exposing running and nonrunning automobiles to sequentially increasing EMP field intensities. If anomalous response (either temporary or permanent) was observed, the testing of that particular automobile was stopped. If no anomalous response was observed, the testing was continued up to the field intensity limits of the simulation capability (approximately 50 kV/m). "Automobiles were subjected to EMP environments under both engine turned off and engine turned on conditions. No effects were subsequently observed in those automobiles that were not turned on during EMP exposure. The most serious effect observed on running automobiles was that the motors in three cars stopped at field strengths of approximately 30 kV/m or above. In an actual EMP exposure, these vehicles would glide to a stop and require the driver to restart them. Electronics in the dashboard of one automobile were damaged and required repair. Other effects were relatively minor. Twenty-five automobiles exhibited malfunctions that could be considered only a nuisance (e.g., blinking dashboard lights) and did not require driver intervention to correct. Eight of the 37 cars tested did not exhibit any anomalous response. Based on these test results, we expect few automobile effects at EMP field levels below 25 kV/m. Approximately 10 percent or more of the automobiles exposed to higher field levels may experience serious EMP effects, including engine stall, that require driver intervention to correct. We further expect that at least two out of three automobiles on the road will manifest some nuisance response at these higher field levels. The serious malfunctions could trigger car crashes on U.S. highways; the nuisance malfunctions could exacerbate this condition. The ultimate result of automobile EMP exposure could be triggered crashes that damage many more vehicles than are damaged by the EMP, the consequent loss of life, and multiple injuries." The report did say that electrical generation capability would be in serious danger in areas affected by EMP and controls such as SCADA and PLCs and of course computers would be in danger. I think the country would be in serious danger if we faced a large scale EMP attack, but we'd probably still have our BOVs. I'd also hope (and like to think ?) that our military has already hardened their equipment to EMP attack. |
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So I finally pulled the trigger on this book. I have had my eye on it at Barnes & Noble and went to pick it up today. I was sad when I got there and it was not on the shelf where it was. I went and asked the guy at the counter about it and he said,"Yea we have it, it is on the 50% off endcap." So just a heads up to anyone wanting it, it was just $12. Thanks for the heads up! My local B&N had 1 copy left and $12 is cheap enuff.. |
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Bought it the other day and burned through it in less than 2 days. It's a great book and will definately rejuvinate your survival/SHTF paranoia.....now where did I put my tinfoil. Agreed. Great book. The book motivated me to do a number of things I'd been putting off for quite some time. In the process, I discovered that my food plan was all fucked up because I had less calories in my food stores than the concentration camp folks got in WWII and we all saw what happened to them. And, I spent an extra few bucks to get some things that could help a lot of people an a widespread SHTF emergency... things like pool shock to treat water, extra big berkey water filter elements, etc. Instead of just buying 100 count OTC meds like aspirin, tylenol and vitamins for me and mine, I spent twice the money and got the pair of 250 or 500 count bottles. Stuff like that. I'd rather be a part of a group of people the authorities see as part of the solution or at least helpful than just another bunch of desperate refugees. It's also done wonders for motivating others I know as well. John |
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Got the book also for 50% off at Barnes and Noble. Thought is was an Ok read. I have spent some time in Black Mountain and stayed across the street from tiny Montreat college. Got a kick out of the author's/protagnist's comment in the book about the other college in Swannanoa that wouldn't hire him and that it was ok because the students would starve. Well my Niece went to that college - Warren-Wilson. One of the only work program colleges left in the US, a left over from the 1800's Triad concept. All students have to work in various work details in the school. They have a large working farm and sell the meat from the livestock, raise corn, barley, etc. Have a 600+ acre forest and a large organic garden. The students are required as part of their education to work the land. If anything they wouldn't starve. I liked Lights Out also but thought that the premise of EMP was flawed in both books but understand why they chose that type of disaster for their books. Testing has shown that EMP couldn't do as much damage as either book portrays and that most cars would function fine. I'm more concerned about Osama blowing suitcase Nukes in 8 major cities in the US. Perhaps not him directly, but those of his radical islam. There are 35 sites within the U.S. border.. Look at jihad watch.. |
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The Author's website has his Fox News interview and is absolutely right.
A) Nothing is being done to prepare our population for possible EMP or for that matter any likely nuclear attack. Ignorance is apparently the new civil defense strategy. Clinton dismantled Civil Defense in the 1990s after it had already been neglected for years. There is no attempt to educate the population. There is no attempt to coordinate with local and state officials or train them as was done throughout the Cold War. B) We need Missile Defense. There is a lot of talk right now that Obama made under the table deals with the Russian to slow significantly our missile defense shield's deployment and future development. The Boeing Airborne Laser program was killed even though it was progressing well. Multiple missiles that were to be added to the shield have been postponed. Our layering effect that was to be implemented with our missile defense shield are slowly being done away with without anyone seeming to notice or care. A slight failure of one power station caused the Great Black Out of the eastern United States of America just a few years ago. We could easily see an EMP attack disable multiple key parts of the electric grid even in a "best case" scenario causing this entire nation to go without power for weeks. I have to also question whether the United States would launch nuclear weapons in response to a counter attack? I seriously doubt President Obama's will to destroy a nation that attacked the United States with EMP weapons even though such an attack would result in loss of life. I think any U.S. response would be extremely restricted to probably convention air strikes at best. That would have the effect of thereafter destroying or at least harming the defense theory of deterrence since we will have signaled that are we are very reluctant to use our own nuclear weapons even when nuclear weapons on used against us. |
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This question is for anyone and I know One Second After is a piece of fiction, but help me understand this: Is the EMP effect overstated? In the book, yep. Every test done points to cars surviving (95%+). Ditto for anything battery powered not connected to a large antenna (intentional or otherwise) The tests results, are they published? The biggest unclassified report was the one congress commisioned quoted above. There are lots of specific tested done on items not connencted to the grid. Many vendors have to prove EMP resistance on new systems (be it a radiation survey meter or Coast Guard cutter. Additionally some commerical items (ie Motorolla HT600 and HT360s) were tested by the government, but the results not made public since the government is reluctant to promote a single vendor's products. What would be effected; cars, radios, motors, transformers, computers, etc? In the Cold War day's I remember hearing that a first strike would be an air burst just for disabling communication. [red]Not as a first strike, prehaps as the only strike, but the first strike of a nuclear war is going to be against ICBM silos, which them selves are kind of a launch or loose asset. We can disperse, or launch bomber without actually striking, and the general concensus is the subs are all but undetectable, but the ICBMs would be like disabled by a large ground burst attack. Similarly knocking out our coms where we might not detect a follow on strike against the ICBM silos is likely to make planners recomend to the NCA that ICBMs be launched.[/red} |
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This question is for anyone and I know One Second After is a piece of fiction, but help me understand this: Is the EMP effect overstated? In the book, yep. Every test done points to cars surviving (95%+). Ditto for anything battery powered not connected to a large antenna (intentional or otherwise) The tests results, are they published? The biggest unclassified report was the one congress commisioned quoted above. There are lots of specific tested done on items not connencted to the grid. Many vendors have to prove EMP resistance on new systems (be it a radiation survey meter or Coast Guard cutter. Additionally some commerical items (ie Motorolla HT600 and HT360s) were tested by the government, but the results not made public since the government is reluctant to promote a single vendor's products. What would be effected; cars, radios, motors, transformers, computers, etc? In the Cold War day's I remember hearing that a first strike would be an air burst just for disabling communication. [red]Not as a first strike, prehaps as the only strike, but the first strike of a nuclear war is going to be against ICBM silos, which them selves are kind of a launch or loose asset. We can disperse, or launch bomber without actually striking, and the general concensus is the subs are all but undetectable, but the ICBMs would be like disabled by a large ground burst attack. Similarly knocking out our coms where we might not detect a follow on strike against the ICBM silos is likely to make planners recomend to the NCA that ICBMs be launched.[/red} I have yet to see a comparison for the power involved in those tests and how it relates to the actual power of a real nuclear EMP. The fact that there has never been an EMP does mean that their power levels are a best guess of what we would face. |
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So I finally pulled the trigger on this book. I have had my eye on it at Barnes & Noble and went to pick it up today. I was sad when I got there and it was not on the shelf where it was. I went and asked the guy at the counter about it and he said,"Yea we have it, it is on the 50% off endcap." So just a heads up to anyone wanting it, it was just $12. I was just like you , wanted to read it but $25 keep me from pulling the trigger. went to barnes&noble and just like you said 50% off . Thanks for the heads up 
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I got the One Second After Barnes & Noble discount yesterday and while I was there I found Patriots second edition (regular price) and a copy of Democracy in America by Alexis De Tocqueville for half off. Now all I have to do is finish Levin's Liberty and Tyranny and then start on the others.
I'm hoping for a power outage so all I can do is sit and read. LOL |
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Yeah, I got though the book over the weekend and it has charged the way I think…. Currently working on a friends cabin out in no man’s land and he’s able to power his whole house on solar and use rain water and I don’t know how an EMP will affect a solar panel… does anyone have any ideas to this?
So, because of this book, the next project that got me thinking was being able to make a solar powered portable cooler. You know the ones that you plug into your car, just need it to use a solar panel instead. There are a few plans here and there on the internet. But, I don’t like any I’ve seen, so I’ll have to think this one out. |
| Thanks for the heads up on 50% off. I've been reading the genre for 33 years and there is nothing new here. Good taught provoking read and worth $12. All these books seem to ignore that the perps may not break in but rather wait to snipe you when you walk out the front door. Good stuff to think about but a weak tactical approach to surviving. |
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yep, 50% off here, and plenty of them left.
Good book, good read, couldn't put it down. But he left out the Hams.  I don't care what happens or how bad it gets, the Hams WILL be on the air. For this books EMP scenario, the old tube type radios and equipment are called boat anchors and are very popular with Hams. They buy them, restore them, use them, admire them and are proud of them and keep them around and running for decades just for kicks (ask their wives). And CW can get through anything and reach the other side of the world.
Count on it. The Hams will be on the air. No matter what. |
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Quoted: yep, 50% off here, and plenty of them left. Good book, good read, couldn't put it down. But he left out the Hams. I don't care what happens or how bad it gets, the Hams WILL be on the air. For this books EMP scenario, the old tube type radios and equipment are called boat anchors and are very popular with Hams. They buy them, restore them, use them, admire them and are proud of them and keep them around and running for decades just for kicks (ask their wives). And CW can get through anything and reach the other side of the world.Count on it. The Hams will be on the air. No matter what. I just got a little misty after reading that post.  <––––––––––- see avatar |