Posted: 5/10/2009 6:59:24 PM EDT
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hey guys i found these locally for 40$ a pop and was wondering if they would make a decent mask to have. i found a little info on them but was wondering what the hive thought. http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/cbrd/ip/mcu2ap.htm http://www.olive-drab.com/od_soldiers_gear_gasmask_mcu2p.php looks like they were in service for a little bit but were replaced because of a easily damaged mic. they were also susceptible to blistering agents.. do they take the standard nato 40mm filter? the mask would be used in a SHTF situation...locally we have a large presence of rail cars that have lots of dangerous chemicals. we have had spills in the past where they have evacuated certain parts of town. we also have 3 refineries in the area.. |
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Yes they take the standard filter... and the basic mask design is still in service with AF, and IIRC USN and the FBI.
It's a good mask with great visibility, the external shields are a superb feature, and very comfortable. Be aware the sizing WILL make a difference in mask fit with that mask design, they make small medium and large for different face sizes. Surplus ones whether new or used are suspect unless you can verify their date of manufacture... there were a large number surplussed many years ago due to the previously mentioned adhesive failure. Permeability to blister agents is inherent in using silicone for the mask material. The M40/M42 type masks are the same material with the same susceptibility - for battlefield NBC use they use an overmask or hood to add protection from those agents. As a practical matter as a civilian protective mask it's really a non issue IMO, if it concerns you then look for an MSA "Millennium" mask sold for LE use, it's the same design but in a nitrile type rubber instead of silicone. Silicone lasts a lot longer, is more comfortable to wear, and is odorless so I prefer the MCU2. |
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hey guys i found these locally for 40$ a pop and was wondering if they would make a decent mask to have. i found a little info on them but was wondering what the hive thought. http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/cbrd/ip/mcu2ap.htm http://www.olive-drab.com/od_soldiers_gear_gasmask_mcu2p.php looks like they were in service for a little bit but were replaced because of a easily damaged mic. they were also susceptible to blistering agents.. The MCU-2A/P masks are good to go, but be sure to check the lot number dates on them (on the rubber straps bear the chin, should either be purple writing or stamped into the rubber) anything over ten, maybe fifteen, years old I might pass. Also the face shield had a bad habit for turning yellow over time and getting scratched badly. Just be sure to check it closely before buying. Never heard about the blistering agent thing do they take the standard nato 40mm filter? Yes the mask would be used in a SHTF situation...locally we have a large presence of rail cars that have lots of dangerous chemicals. we have had spills in the past where they have evacuated certain parts of town. we also have 3 refineries in the area.. Most military NBC masks won't protect you from toxic industrial chemicals and require a SCBA instead. However, this is dependant on concentration levels, time of exposure, temperature, etc. But the filters just aren't designed to work against industrial stuff, but rather military style agents. But they are better than nothing at all. I would say go for it |
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thanks for the replys. i have a couple of the OM10 masks and after i got them i found out how ill practical they are. anything else i should look for on these masks before i buy them? whats a good date of manufacture? ill check out the font shield for separation. and ill check the other parts out as well... |
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thanks for the replys. i have a couple of the OM10 masks and after i got them i found out how ill practical they are. anything else i should look for on these masks before i buy them? Just be sure to check the head harness for proper tension. Over time the harness tendsd to lose elasticity whats a good date of manufacture? Anything post 2000 should be okay as long as there is no disbonding (seperation of the mask pieces from each other) but just like with food, the later date, the better ill check out the font shield for separation. Not just the front shield, but the outlet valve under the nose cup. Most critical part of the whole mask and where disbonding is most likely. and ill check the other parts out as well... With the USAF going to the new M50 mask, a lot more of these should be showing up on the surplus market. Or at least they SHOULD be. |
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i found these on ebay are they the same just the civilian version? MSA CS CN Advantage 1000 Gas Masks http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=280351422647 |
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i found these on ebay are they the same just the civilian version? MSA CS CN Advantage 1000 Gas Masks http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=280351422647 It is similar but not the same. Advantage masks use the twist-lock Advantage commercial cartridges, not the 40mm threaded kind. There is an adapter that would allow a 40mm threaded filter to be used with an Advantage mask, along with a port cover. It's intended for the law enforcement version of the Advantage mask which has a single side riot control agent filter and a port cover for the off-side. That's the configuration that is in that ebay sale, with the adapter and port cover in place. MSAs Advantage 1000 and Millenium civilian market masks use their "hycar" rubber which I find to have a strong rubber odor which is kind of annoying. For most purposes a commercial filter is probably a better choice, as fresh commercial filters are much more widely available along with inexpensive particulate-only filters for non-chemical threats. |
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I bought one of these last week
MSA mask Not cheap but has good ratings. Im not to concerned about blister agents as if somebody is dumping mustard gas you could just leave the area- besides unless your wearing a full suit your gonna get it anyways. Interested in the mask mainly for radioactive fallout particles or other type situations. |
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I bought one of these last week MSA mask Not cheap but has good ratings. Im not to concerned about blister agents as if somebody is dumping mustard gas you could just leave the area- besides unless your wearing a full suit your gonna get it anyways. Interested in the mask mainly for radioactive fallout particles or other type situations. Millenium masks are hycar rubber which isn't permeable to blister agents like silicone. There are WAY, WAY less expensive options to buying anything from that particular website. |
| yeah but my point was that I dont have a chemical suit that I will store, just the mask and some Potassium Iodide so the mask for me is for radioactive dust, or maybe biological. I dont see blistering agents being widely used anyways. I originally wanted the 3M M40 type mask but nobody has them in stock. Have you had any negatives dealing with the site I listed? Ive never orderd off them before but saw a link by somebody here before. How are they? |
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I bought one of these last week MSA mask Not cheap but has good ratings. Im not to concerned about blister agents as if somebody is dumping mustard gas you could just leave the area- besides unless your wearing a full suit your gonna get it anyways. Interested in the mask mainly for radioactive fallout particles or other type situations. Millenium masks are hycar rubber which isn't permeable to blister agents like silicone. There are WAY, WAY less expensive options to buying anything from that particular website. Any places you'd recommend? |
| i have one of the OP's posted mask. i emailed MSA asking about the mcu-2p, specifically if there was any way for me to tell when the actual mask expires and stops being effective. whoever emailed me back said they had never heard of the mcu-2p, and couldn't provide me any support. |
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ive been searching ebay for masks but is there a better place to find good prices? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300316246219 This is one of the best masks and filters that you can find. Unless you're specifically looking for the MCU-2A/P, which is going to be hard to find as they were never really sold commercially. |
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ive been searching ebay for masks but is there a better place to find good prices? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300316246219 This is one of the best masks and filters that you can find. Unless you're specifically looking for the MCU-2A/P, which is going to be hard to find as they were never really sold commercially. Do those take the standard threaded nato filters? I'd prefer one with the filter on the cheek instead, but i'd buy one of these for my girlfriend. |
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Quoted: Quoted: ive been searching ebay for masks but is there a better place to find good prices? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300316246219 This is one of the best masks and filters that you can find. Unless you're specifically looking for the MCU-2A/P, which is going to be hard to find as they were never really sold commercially. wow price is defiantly right only thing is does it accept the standard nato filter? EDT: im pretty sure they do. looks like it mentioned a 40mm thread in the instructions and the filters he is selling are also 40mm filters. he is also selling pre filters. they must be for larger particles? |
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Quoted: well i just ordered 2 masks and a few extra filters. ill check them out and post when they get here. just a heads up for anyone who is interested in these masks. the guy who is selling them is super nice and very helpful. i ordered 2 plus 4 filters and he cut me a little deal. they have not arrived yet because of paypal taking its sweet ass time but as soon as they do ill post pics and give a little review. |
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I bought one of these last week MSA mask Not cheap but has good ratings. Im not to concerned about blister agents as if somebody is dumping mustard gas you could just leave the area- besides unless your wearing a full suit your gonna get it anyways. Interested in the mask mainly for radioactive fallout particles or other type situations. Millenium masks are hycar rubber which isn't permeable to blister agents like silicone. There are WAY, WAY less expensive options to buying anything from that particular website. Any places you'd recommend? I would recommend a Scott M-95 Mask from Botach Tactical.* I consider the M95 a very good quality mask, and excellent for the price. I haven't seen anything that offers a better bang for the buck. They seem to be on sale now too. If you might have the need to fire a rifle (or shotgun) while wearing the mask, I would get a mask like the M40 or M95 that has separate eyepieces and should allow a better cheekweld, rather than the MCU-2/P. * This company seems to have upset some people, but I have ordered from them for years with no problems at all. |
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I bought one of these last week MSA mask Not cheap but has good ratings. Im not to concerned about blister agents as if somebody is dumping mustard gas you could just leave the area- besides unless your wearing a full suit your gonna get it anyways. Interested in the mask mainly for radioactive fallout particles or other type situations. Millenium masks are hycar rubber which isn't permeable to blister agents like silicone. There are WAY, WAY less expensive options to buying anything from that particular website. Any places you'd recommend? I would recommend a Scott M-95 Mask from Botach Tactical.* I consider the M95 a very good quality mask, and excellent for the price. I haven't seen anything that offers a better bang for the buck. They seem to be on sale now too. If you might have the need to fire a rifle (or shotgun) while wearing the mask, I would get a mask like the M40 or M95 that has separate eyepieces and should allow a better cheekweld, rather than the MCU-2/P. * This company seems to have upset some people, but I have ordered from them for years with no problems at all. I actually really like the M-95 masks. Was looking at one of them on approvedgasmasks. Only real downside I see is having to buy the voice emitter and hydration adapter. Botach has a good price, but it looks like the only size in stock is small...and small isn't going to fit me. |
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ok my masks came today and i gotta say there pretty nice. for what i paid i think they are a great deal and i would recommend them to anyone. my only question now is is there any way to get them to seal well with a beard? i put it on and did a pressure test and i was getting a slight leak right by my chin. my beard is trimmed and not super long. any help? i dont want to shave it just for this. |
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Quoted: damn didnt think so. ill have to try the mask on next time i trim up and see what happens. i havnt done that in a while so its a little longer than usual. Quoted: my only question now is is there any way to get them to seal well with a beard? Nope. i know that leak will make a difference.. any ideas on any other options? carrying a razor, trimmer etc? |