[ARCHIVED THREAD] - New Flu (Page 1 of 7)
Posted: 4/23/2009 4:29:41 PM EDT
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7 cases reported in the US - a mix of bird, swine, and human viruses. Non-verified reports of an extensive out break in Mexico. |
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I don't have great spanish skills, so I can't cipher much from these Mexican websites, but it appears Mexico city has declared a state of emergency.
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/593285.html Reuters says it is a mix of swine, avian, and human strains, with European and Asian genetic markers. http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE53N0RZ20090424 WHO is investigating: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/24/health-flu-mexico090424.html |
Another reason we need to stop illegal immigration...sigh...I wish I was president. Do everything in my power to take care of domestic issues first and not get my nose stuck in foreign affairs (Teddy Roosevelt and his big stick). I can't even run for office for at least 12 years, but by then we'll propbably be over run by illegals and their children and noone would vote for me 
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At least 60 deaths, at least 800 infected in Mexico:
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/04240903/H1N1_Swine_Mexico_Pandemic.html I don't want to be an alarmist, but this could be serious. |
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Yea, this one has me watching it close.
This site is good for finding news fast here |
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Quoted: most of the spanish language link is talking about a meeting of the health department to try to come up w/ a plan of attack and possible treatment. what's disconcerting is the last line of the article:I don't have great spanish skills, so I can't cipher much from these Mexican websites, but it appears Mexico city has declared a state of emergency. http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/593285.html Reuters says it is a mix of swine, avian, and human strains, with European and Asian genetic markers. http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE53N0RZ20090424 WHO is investigating: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/24/health-flu-mexico090424.html Hasta el momento, en la capital del paÃs se tienen registradas 13 muertes, y de los 23 casos confirmados, 20% se encuentra hospitalizado en terapia intensiva. it states that up to now, in the capital of the country, there are 13 known dead and of the 23 confirmed cases 20% our hospitalized in intesive care. rough translation, my spanish is not what it used to be. |
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most of the spanish language link is talking about a meeting of the health department to try to come up w/ a plan of attack and possible treatment. what's disconcerting is the last line of the article:
I don't have great spanish skills, so I can't cipher much from these Mexican websites, but it appears Mexico city has declared a state of emergency. http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/593285.html Reuters says it is a mix of swine, avian, and human strains, with European and Asian genetic markers. http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE53N0RZ20090424 WHO is investigating: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/24/health-flu-mexico090424.html Hasta el momento, en la capital del paÃs se tienen registradas 13muertes, y de los 23 casos confirmados, 20% se encuentra hospitalizadoen terapia intensiva. it states that up to now, in the capital of the country, there are 13 known dead and of the 23 confirmed cases 20% our hospitalized in intesive care. rough translation, my spanish is not what it used to be. That it is pretty much how I translated it too. 13 dead is NBD. Still not a bad strain. 20% hospitalization is probably more to do with dehydration than anything. My oldest brother has a job where he's the liason between FEMA, CDC and the state for emergencies. The last person that had the job was completely inefficient. He is setting up a system where they can provide mass innoculations in many different locations across the state depending on what the disease is. |
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I don't have great spanish skills, so I can't cipher much from these Mexican websites, but it appears Mexico city has declared a state of emergency. http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/593285.html Here is the Google translation of that page to English: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eluniversal.com.mx%2Fnotas%2F593285.html+&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0= edited for terrible grammar 
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Its the perfect bio attack. Instead of a plauge spread by rats. It will be spread to all corners of our country by illegals. In atleast in this area they cram them selves into housing well beyond the capacity of the structure in less then healthy conditions.
Our idiot gov't that ignores the flood of illegals and even puts ranchers to trial for detaining bands of illegals passing thru their property for the border patrol. Theese empty suites will kill us yet yay
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Its the perfect bio attack. Instead of a plauge spread by rats. It will be spread to all corners of our country by illegals. In atleast in this area they cram them selves into housing well beyond the capacity of the structure in less then healthy conditions. Our idiot gov't that ignores the flood of illegals and even puts ranchers to trial for detaining bands of illegals passing thru their property for the border patrol. Theese empty suites will kill us yet yay If there is a pandemic [I sorta dobt it] it will be another crisis [of several right now] that the O admin "never waste a good crisis" will use as a guise to steal even more of our freedoms as they turn the structure of this country uopside down and guarantee their -socialist/or worse- majority at the voting booth indefinately. |
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517737,00.htmlMexico Links Sickness, Deaths to Swine FluFriday, April 24, 2009  An outbreak of flu deaths in Mexico in recent days was caused by swine flu, Health Minister Jose Angel Cordova said Friday. "It is a virus that mutated from pigs and then at some point was transmitted to humans," he told the Televisa network. The virus has sickened 800 and killed at least 20, according to the Mexican government. Other reports put the death toll closer to 60. The never-before-seen virus is comprised of bird, swine and human influenza strains, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Mexico City has suspended classes at schools and universities to contain what could be a new strain of influenza. Health Secretary Jose Cordova says private and public schools in this metropolis of 20 million have been ordered to remain closed Friday. The measure could be extended in coming days. Cordova says the flu is a "new, different strain that can attack anyone." He says authorities are investigating whether it is related to an influenza strain reported in Texas and California. U.S. public health officials said on Thursday that seven people had been diagnosed with a new kind of swine flu in California and Texas. Dr. Anne Schuchat of the CDC said officials believe it can spread human-to-human, which is unusual for a swine flu virus. Because of intensive searching, it's likely health officials will find additional cases, said Schuchat, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. CDC officials detected a virus with a unique combination of gene segments that have not been seen in people or pigs before. The bug contains human virus, avian virus from North America and pig viruses from North America, Europe and Asia. Health officials have seen mixes of bird, pig and human virus before, but never such an intercontinental combination with more than one pig virus in the mix. Scientists keep a close eye on flu viruses that emerge from pigs. The animals are considered particularly susceptible to both avian and human viruses and a likely place where the kind of genetic reassortment can take place that might lead to a new form of pandemic flu, said Dr. John Treanor, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Rochester Medical Center. The virus may be something completely new, or it may have been around for a while but was only detected now because of improved lab testing and disease surveillance, CDC officials said. The virus was first detected in two children in southern California — a 10-year-old boy in San Diego County and a 9-year-old girl in neighboring Imperial County. The cases were detected under unusual circumstances. One was seen at a Navy clinic that participates in a specialized disease detection network, and the other was caught through a specialized surveillance system set up in border communities, CDC officials said. On Thursday, investigators said they had discovered five more cases. That includes a father and his teenage daughter in San Diego County, a 41-year-old woman in Imperial County (the only person hospitalized), and two 16-year-old boys who are friends and live in Guadalupe County, Texas, near San Antonio. The Texas cases are especially puzzling. One of the California cases — the 10-year-old boy — traveled to Texas early this month, but that was to Dallas, about 270 miles northeast of San Antonio. He did not travel to the San Antonio area, Schuchat said. The two 16-year-olds had not traveled recently, Texas health officials said. The swine flu's symptoms are like those of the regular flu, mostly involving fever, cough and sore throat, though some of the seven also experienced vomiting and diarrhea. U.S. health officials are consulting with Mexican and Canadian health officials, and the CDC is beginning to receive samples from Mexico for testing, a CDC spokesman said. The ethnicity of the seven confirmed cases was not disclosed. The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report. |
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Thanks for the link. All I can say is that this is defiantly something to keep an eye on. |
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Quoted: your brother's job sounds interesting and at the same time possibly very frustrating - dealing w/ all of the bureaucracy. Quoted: Quoted: most of the spanish language link is talking about a meeting of the health department to try to come up w/ a plan of attack and possible treatment. what's disconcerting is the last line of the article:I don't have great spanish skills, so I can't cipher much from these Mexican websites, but it appears Mexico city has declared a state of emergency. http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/593285.html Reuters says it is a mix of swine, avian, and human strains, with European and Asian genetic markers. http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE53N0RZ20090424 WHO is investigating: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/24/health-flu-mexico090424.html Hasta el momento, en la capital del paÃs se tienen registradas 13muertes, y de los 23 casos confirmados, 20% se encuentra hospitalizadoen terapia intensiva. it states that up to now, in the capital of the country, there are 13 known dead and of the 23 confirmed cases 20% our hospitalized in intesive care. rough translation, my spanish is not what it used to be. That it is pretty much how I translated it too. 13 dead is NBD. Still not a bad strain. 20% hospitalization is probably more to do with dehydration than anything. My oldest brother has a job where he's the liason between FEMA, CDC and the state for emergencies. The last person that had the job was completely inefficient. He is setting up a system where they can provide mass innoculations in many different locations across the state depending on what the disease is. |
| Not really. All influenza originates in birds. It mutates over 1 million times in every host. anywhere from 1000 to 10,000 mutatiuons are viable in the host. It adapts to the new host quickly for a virus. Being called a swine flu means nothing other than it is a mutation that had adapted well in pigs. A human influenza means nothing more than a strain that had adapted well in people. All influenza comes from the bird population originally. H1N1 was the 1918 pandemic virus. This new one is also H1N1 but a different strain, different enough to call it novel. Having sequences from different parts of the world and different adapatations to different animals is normal for influenza. |
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Email I received today from avianflutalk:
Greetings again all,
It's time for another pseudo warning for you. As most of you are aware by now, over the last few days a handful of swine flu cases have popped up in Southern California and in Texas. There are seven confirmed cases, one of which required hospitalization. The WHO has confirmed that this is a "new" swine flu strain that is spreading by human-to-human transmission. The WHO has also confirmed that there is a swine flu outbreak underway in Mexico, which has killed 60 people out of 800 cases resulting in a rather high fatality rate. The WHO is currently matching the swine flu samples in Mexico with the U.S. cases to see if the strains match. If they do match, then it "could" mean the next pandemic is beginning. For anyone interested in following the latest developments, you can click on the following link to visit the Latest News section. |
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Guys, viruses mutate. Viruses swap genes like we trade baseball cards. They also run through generations very fast and outnumber humans by a ridiculous degree. Based on the info available right now there's no reason to believe this is an attack or an engineered virus. |
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oh my... Thankfully it appears that this virus is nothing worse than the standard seasonal strain. Does anyone know the mortality rate for "normal" flu? With the numbers reported so far, this one is about 7%. Influenza is tracted along with pnuemonia to the mortality rates include pneumonia + influenza which tend to go together anyways. Average mortality rates are about 7% (6%-9%) also. This number is tricky sense it includes the young, sick, and old in it. Those who are young, old, or sick have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher mortality rate than middle aged healthy individuals. This issue is nonexistent. Those who are most at risk are again the young, sick, and old. |
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Guys, viruses mutate. Viruses swap genes like we trade baseball cards. They also run through generations very fast and outnumber humans by a ridiculous degree. Based on the info available right now there's no reason to believe this is an attack or an engineered virus. True, but either way we may be looking at the beginning of a pandemic. |
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Guys, viruses mutate. Viruses swap genes like we trade baseball cards. They also run through generations very fast and outnumber humans by a ridiculous degree. Based on the info available right now there's no reason to believe this is an attack or an engineered virus. True, but either way we may be looking at the beginning of a pandemic. Even if it becomes a pandemic it shouldn't be something to worry about. It's virility does not appear to be any worse than Influenza A or B. There are far worse nasties hanging around to worry about. |
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your brother's job sounds interesting and at the same time possibly very frustrating - dealing w/ all of the bureaucracy.
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most of the spanish language link is talking about a meeting of the health department to try to come up w/ a plan of attack and possible treatment. what's disconcerting is the last line of the article:
I don't have great spanish skills, so I can't cipher much from these Mexican websites, but it appears Mexico city has declared a state of emergency. http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/593285.html Reuters says it is a mix of swine, avian, and human strains, with European and Asian genetic markers. http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE53N0RZ20090424 WHO is investigating: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/24/health-flu-mexico090424.html Hasta el momento, en la capital del paÃs se tienen registradas 13muertes, y de los 23 casos confirmados, 20% se encuentra hospitalizadoen terapia intensiva. it states that up to now, in the capital of the country, there are 13 known dead and of the 23 confirmed cases 20% our hospitalized in intesive care. rough translation, my spanish is not what it used to be. That it is pretty much how I translated it too. 13 dead is NBD. Still not a bad strain. 20% hospitalization is probably more to do with dehydration than anything. My oldest brother has a job where he's the liason between FEMA, CDC and the state for emergencies. The last person that had the job was completely inefficient. He is setting up a system where they can provide mass innoculations in many different locations across the state depending on what the disease is. My brother is extremely pragmatic and likes to get things done. The other agencies were going to him to get things done and leaving the last person who had the position out of the loop sometimes. The other agencies basically asked for my brother to replace the last person in the position. He doesn't get involved in politics, and is "mission oriented", and he likes to hire people with the same outlook. He hasn't had a day off in about the last 6 months. |
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Viruses and bacteria mutate rapidly. It's been a long time since my last microbiology class, but if memory serves me correctly, you can safely assume a generation approximately every 20 minutes or so (perhaps even faster). It is incredibly easy to mutate bacteria too. I did an experiment in the 10th grade where I exposed some cultures I harvested from the soil to a certain wavelength of UV light for 8-hrs a day for a week. I then tested that group against my control group again with (I think) 8 different antibiotic discs in the petri dish. My test group completely grew over some of the antibiotics where before, there was a clear ring around the disc.
I would love to be a lab nerd again and just play with that stuff all day. I'm stuck with playing with AutoCAD all day now. 
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Guys, viruses mutate. Viruses swap genes like we trade baseball cards. They also run through generations very fast and outnumber humans by a ridiculous degree. Based on the info available right now there's no reason to believe this is an attack or an engineered virus. True, but either way we may be looking at the beginning of a pandemic. Agreed. My comment was directed at the tinfoil crowd. This is definitely one to watch. |
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My oldest brother has a job where he's the liason between FEMA, CDC and the state for emergencies. The last person that had the job was completely inefficient. He is setting up a system where they can provide mass innoculations in many different locations across the state depending on what the disease is. So, ummm, before you run off to Colonel Kurtz forever to avoid a REAL pandemic, you WILL leave us a warning here, won't you? Please? |
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Thank you very much for posting this. Bigfeet |
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From the CDC site HERE
Human cases of swine influenza A (H1N1) virus infection have been identified in San Diego County and Imperial County, California as well as in San Antonio, Texas.
Human Cases of Swine Flu Infection State # of laboratory confirmed cases: California 5 cases Texas 2 cases Cases will be updated daily at 3 p.m. EST Investigations are ongoing to determine the source of the infection and whether additional people have been infected with similar swine influenza viruses. CDC is working closely with state and local officials in California and Texas and other health and animal officials on investigations into these cases. CDC has provided the following interim guidance for this investigation. Residents of California and Texas Clinicians State Public Health Laboratories Public Health/Animal Health Related Links Swine Influenza A (H1N1) Infection in Two Children – Southern California, March—April 2009 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) April 21, 2009 / Vol. 58 / Dispatch Interim Guidance on Infection Control and Antiviral Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed or Suspected Swine Influenza A Virus Infection, April 20, 2009 Guidance for health care workers and public health personnel… Swine Flu and You What is swine flu? Are there human infections with swine flu in the U.S.? … Key Facts about Swine Influenza (Swine Flu) How does swine flu spread? Can people catch swine flu from eating pork? … CDC Briefing on Public Health Investigation of Human Cases of Swine Influenza April 23, 2009 press briefing… **************************************************************** Residents of California and Texas CDC has identified human cases of swine influenza A (H1N1) virus infection in people in these areas. CDC is working with local and state health agencies to investigate these cases. We have determined that this virus is contagious and is spreading from human to human. However, at this time, we have not determined how easily the virus spreads between people. As with any infectious disease, we are recommending precautionary measures for people residing in these areas. Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it. Wash your hands often with soap and water, especially after you cough or sneeze. Alcohol-based hands cleaners are also effective. Try to avoid close contact with sick people. If you get sick, CDC recommends that you stay home from work or school and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them. Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs spread that way. There is no vaccine available at this time, so it is important for people living in these areas to take steps to prevent spreading the virus to others. If people are ill, they should attempt to stay at home and limit contact with others. Healthy residents living in these areas should take everyday preventive actions. People who live in these areas who develop an illness with fever and respiratory symptoms, such as cough and runny nose, and possibly other symptoms, such as body aches, nausea, or vomiting or diarrhea, should contact their health care provider. Their health care provider will determine whether influenza testing is needed. Clinicians Clinicians should consider the possibility of swine influenza virus infections in patients presenting with febrile respiratory illness who: Live in San Diego County or Imperial County, California or San Antonio, Texas or Have traveled to San Diego and/or Imperial County, California or San Antonio, Texas or Have been in contact with ill persons from these areas in the 7 days prior to their illness onset. If swine flu is suspected, clinicians should obtain a respiratory swab for swine influenza testing and place it in a refrigerator (not a freezer). Once collected, the clinician should contact their state or local health department to facilitate transport and timely diagnosis at a state public health laboratory. State Public Health Laboratories Laboratories should send all unsubtypable influenza A specimens as soon as possible to the Viral Surveillance and Diagnostic Branch of the CDC’s Influenza Division for further diagnostic testing. Public Health /Animal Health Officials Officials should conduct thorough case and contact investigations to determine the source of the swine influenza virus, extent of community illness and the need for timely control measures. More information about swine flu can be found on the CDC website at http://www.cdc.gov/flu/swine/index.htm. Anyone have any reports yet from the CDC news briefing today? |
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You are welcome, Bigfeet. This is what it's all about - sharing info.
I listened to the entire CDC conference. One additional case in the US has been reported, in San Diego. They are having trouble getting good info out of Mexico. They know several people have died, but they have not yet received samples to test to verify it was this new flu, and not something else. There have issued NO travel warnings for anywhere. They're pretty much waiting for more info before they can say much. They said the situation is changing rapidly though, and they are concerned. Not a lot of useful info, but a little something's better than nothing. Stay tuned. |
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You are welcome, Bigfeet. This is what it's all about - sharing info. I listened to the entire CDC conference. One additional case in the US has been reported, in San Diego. They are having trouble getting good info out of Mexico. They know several people have died, but they have not yet received samples to test to verify it was this new flu, and not something else. There have issued NO travel warnings for anywhere. They're pretty much waiting for more info before they can say much. They said the situation is changing rapidly though, and they are concerned. Not a lot of useful info, but a little something's better than nothing. Stay tuned. But they did say they were were mostly sure that the same flu in Mexico is what is in TX/CA.....it seemed almost like listening to a bad virus movie......I almost want to get some tin foil for my hat..... 
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You are welcome, Bigfeet. This is what it's all about - sharing info. I listened to the entire CDC conference. One additional case in the US has been reported, in San Diego. They are having trouble getting good info out of Mexico. They know several people have died, but they have not yet received samples to test to verify it was this new flu, and not something else. There have issued NO travel warnings for anywhere. They're pretty much waiting for more info before they can say much. They said the situation is changing rapidly though, and they are concerned. Not a lot of useful info, but a little something's better than nothing. Stay tuned. But they did say they were were mostly sure that the same flu in Mexico is what is in TX/CA.....it seemed almost like listening to a bad virus movie......I almost want to get some tin foil for my hat.....
No matter where the disease is located it still doesn't matter because the virility and mortality appears to be very low. Unless something dramatic changes this is going to be harmless. Remember that the child in San Diego did survive.... |
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My oldest brother has a job where he's the liason between FEMA, CDC and the state for emergencies. The last person that had the job was completely inefficient. He is setting up a system where they can provide mass innoculations in many different locations across the state depending on what the disease is. So, ummm, before you run off to Colonel Kurtz forever to avoid a REAL pandemic, you WILL leave us a warning here, won't you? Please? Why wouldn't I? I'd hope somebody would do that for me. I know that this will probably sound like BS according to what I've seen posted about the ATF here sometimes. But, I had a great run-in with an ATF agent the other day. He actually gave me about 80 rounds of 5.56 when I told him we were going to go shoot at the range this weekend. Nice guy. |