[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Would You Loot ? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/26/2009 1:25:38 PM EDT
| In the event of a real catastrophy, ie: Katrina or worse, would you go in your neighbor's homes for food if you knew that they wouldn't be returning. I'm sitting here looking in my "everyday pantry" , it seems to me that the average american household would have enough canned goods and dry goods to help a family for a good while. I would do this, providing I knew for sure that they wouldn't be needing it. I consider this constantantly " stocking up " . What would you do ? |
| I would go into my neighbors house for food and supplies if I know they wouldn't return until things cleared up. I don't consider that looting. I wouldn't go into a public store or anywhere else to take things. Just houses of people I know and who know me, as I expect they would do the same thing if the situation were reversed. |
| I think there is a big difference between looting and scavenging, for lack of a better term. In a complete breakdown type situation I'd have no problem going through abandoned houses looking for stuff of use. Like Will Smith did in I Am Legend. If you know for sure they are dead or not coming back and you need it to survive, why let it go to waste. Otherwise I would rely on my own stuff. |
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I used to work with a guy who had a seemingly endless supply of really nice silk neckties. For the two plus years I worked with him he never wore the same one twice-and that's a lot of neckties. Out of curiosity one day I asked him once where he buys his ties, and his response was the LA riots.
Looting was a "shitload of fun", he said 
His sense of personal entitlement was very strong. Someone like that would steal whatever they felt they needed. This guy was educated, articulate, and made very good money-more than I did at the time, in fact. Turns out he was a bigot too, as he didn't like blacks or Koreans. |
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I think there is a big difference between looting and scavenging, for lack of a better term. In a complete breakdown type situation I'd have no problem going through abandoned houses looking for stuff of use. Like Will Smith did in I Am Legend. If you know for sure they are dead or not coming back and you need it to survive, why let it go to waste. Otherwise I would rely on my own stuff. +1 on this, I like the word scavenging better. Looting makes me think of assholes who take from the helpless and vandalize every building/home they find. You can scavenge and be respectful of homes at the same time. |
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Yes I would loot... only to provide food for me and my family. Don't even start about being prepared with plenty of food stocks... because eventually that 1 year supply of your food stocks will run out and you'll have to consider looting. no you should plan ahead to be slef reliant and produce yourown food by that time frame. dont try and justify the fact that youve already made up your mind to drop your morals to that of a common thug all in the excuse of 'feeding" your family. You will be the kindof person those that HAVE prepared will have to fend off when even your "looted" supplies run out. pretty freaking sad! 
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I think there is a big difference between looting and scavenging, for lack of a better term. In a complete breakdown type situation I'd have no problem going through abandoned houses looking for stuff of use. Like Will Smith did in I Am Legend. If you know for sure they are dead or not coming back and you need it to survive, why let it go to waste. Otherwise I would rely on my own stuff. I agree with this, I would not steal (loot) from anyone if I thought they would return and want their stuff. I would responsibly scavenge (loot) anything I could, from anywhere I could, if the event was severe enough that I truly needed to, or if no people would ever return to miss it. |
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If it were my neighbors I would be helping them pack, and be asking permission.
i'd be Bugging Out with them, or making a deal to watch their place, in return for being able to help myself should my stomach start growling. If it were me, I'd rather give away food & goods that I couldn't carry, to my friends and neighbors, because you can bet some low-life's are gonna steal your stuff and burn your house down if everyone Bugs Out in SHTF. If not SHTF, then it's stealing as in a crime, as in being arrested. This is why Bugging Out is such a critical decision, If everyone goes from your street or neighborhood, just plan on returning to a burnt down structure, that way your hopes won't be dashed, and if the structure is still standing there when you come back, you'll be happy. There will be people hunkered down who will shoot thier family and friends by mistake during a SHTF scenario, just because they are so dang scared. There will be others who leave a Rat trap/12 ga. shell "surprise" for you in their pantry. Only if it looks like Stalingrad during WW2, would I look around. Big difference between scavenging, and Looting/Stealing. |
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If you won't do whatever you HAVE to do in a survival situation then you won't make it in a TEOTW situation. Bob Bullshit. I will do whatever it takes now. That is what a man does. Not turn into a wolf to serve his own interests. I have no problem with scavenging over the long term. We are talking months and months of the neighbors not returning and complete breakdown. The problem is that houses in urban settings will get looted very quickly so the pickens will be pretty slim before things calm down enough to allow scavenging. Lots of folks figuring on food that may not even be there. |
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I think I would loot the body of a looter that just got caught looting. Search his pockets for a Subway card or something. God I love Subway. I don't what is is about their bread, but combined with their fresh toppings it's a sandwich that can't be beat. Plus their combos are priced reasonably and you get a lot of food for your money. I'm very hungry.
Subway, Eat Fresh. |
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If you won't do whatever you HAVE to do in a survival situation then you won't make it in a TEOTW situation. Bob Bullshit. I will do whatever it takes now. That is what a man does. Not turn into a wolf to serve his own interests. I have no problem with scavenging over the long term. We are talking months and months of the neighbors not returning and complete breakdown. The problem is that houses in urban settings will get looted very quickly so the pickens will be pretty slim before things calm down enough to allow scavenging. Lots of folks figuring on food that may not even be there. Then we agree. I said in a TEOTW situation. Otherwise I would talk to my neighbors as I was helping them move out. Maybe I was unclear. Bob |
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No , I will do what I can do honestly for my family , thats why I prep .
Now salvaging is a thin line that would have to be weighed in a per case event . For example in a text book survivalist nut wet dream : there is a shot up car in the road that looty tried to drive though a road block with , I would have no problem pushing the car to reinforce the road block and removing all usfull items from the car. In a realistic case : I tornado passes threw the nieghbor hood damaging part of my house with more rain on the way . The nieghbor has a big canvas on his _____ in the yard but is out of town and I cannot contact him . I would leave a note on his door ,try to contact family and use the tarp to keep the rain out the house then return it to him , if it gets damaged I would buy him a new one to replace it. |
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After all the low life's pick over everything and break out all the windows,
I can see scavenging a deserted house. Look for survival and barter items that those dummies would over look. Nails, rope, candles, that kinda stuff. If their door is still locked, and windows are still intact, then it's still their house ,property, and belongings. |
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In the event of a real catastrophy, ie: Katrina or worse, would you go in your neighbor's homes for food if you knew that they wouldn't be returning. I'm sitting here looking in my "everyday pantry" , it seems to me that the average american household would have enough canned goods and dry goods to help a family for a good while. I would do this, providing I knew for sure that they wouldn't be needing it. I consider this constantantly " stocking up " . What would you do ? I would enter my neighbor's house, in their absence, to secure their food goods in the hope of their eventual return. If they didn't come back after a year, and our stocks were exhausted, I would consider eating their food.....if there was still anything there that was palatable. As others have mentioned........I prep so I don't have to eat my neighbor's food. 
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Ya know, this is a nice theoretical discussion, but the likelihood of needing to do this is slim. What is more likely is that you are out hiking, hit bad weather, and have to break into a cabin in order to get out of a freezing snowstorm. Then you find food inside, and eat it in order to live. That gentlemen is much more likely to happen. Now, is that an acceptable action to take if dying is the other alternative? I ask this based on an experience in North Georgia that happened about 25 years ago and no, not my experience. However, a hiker got separated from his group, bad snow hit (12"), cold (20degrees F with wind), and the hiker broke into a cabin to survive. Is this right or is it wrong? I'll give you the full story once you all weigh in.
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I often have the opportunity to see kitchens and such for work. I think you would be amazed at how little food the average household has in it. Maybe a week at best.
Most of the stuff I see in there is crap stuff that even a college kid couldn't live off of for long. |
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If you won't do whatever you HAVE to do in a survival situation then you won't make it in a TEOTW situation. Bob Bullshit. I will do whatever it takes now. That is what a man does. Not turn into a wolf to serve his own interests. I have no problem with scavenging over the long term. We are talking months and months of the neighbors not returning and complete breakdown. The problem is that houses in urban settings will get looted very quickly so the pickens will be pretty slim before things calm down enough to allow scavenging. Lots of folks figuring on food that may not even be there. Then we agree. I said in a TEOTW situation. Otherwise I would talk to my neighbors as I was helping them move out. Maybe I was unclear. Bob All of the "no...I would be prepared ahead of time" guys kinda make me laugh. I too have tried to prepare and think of everything and am pretty confident....but the reality of it is.....nobody can ever be prepared for EVERYTHING. Life will ALWAYS throw you a curve ball that you aren't totally prepared to deal with regardless of how prepared you THINK you are. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't spent much time in the real world. |
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Ya know, this is a nice theoretical discussion, but the likelihood of needing to do this is slim. What is more likely is that you are out hiking, hit bad weather, and have to break into a cabin in order to get out of a freezing snowstorm. Then you find food inside, and eat it in order to live. That gentlemen is much more likely to happen. Now, is that an acceptable action to take if dying is the other alternative? I ask this based on an experience in North Georgia that happened about 25 years ago and no, not my experience. However, a hiker got separated from his group, bad snow hit (12"), cold (20degrees F with wind), and the hiker broke into a cabin to survive. Is this right or is it wrong? I'll give you the full story once you all weigh in. Writer You are completely missing the point. We are not conversing about a winter storm scenario. We are talking about a non specific situation that involves looting/scavenging on a large scale for survival, with the specific component of societal breakdown. Your example is definitely worth discussing, but irrelevant to this particular thread. No one said which situation was more probable. You are bringing up an entirely different situation. |
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If you won't do whatever you HAVE to do in a survival situation then you won't make it in a TEOTW situation. Bob Bullshit. I will do whatever it takes now. That is what a man does. Not turn into a wolf to serve his own interests. I have no problem with scavenging over the long term. We are talking months and months of the neighbors not returning and complete breakdown. The problem is that houses in urban settings will get looted very quickly so the pickens will be pretty slim before things calm down enough to allow scavenging. Lots of folks figuring on food that may not even be there. Then we agree. I said in a TEOTW situation. Otherwise I would talk to my neighbors as I was helping them move out. Maybe I was unclear. Bob All of the "no...I would be prepared ahead of time" guys kinda make me laugh. I too have tried to prepare and think of everything and am pretty confident....but the reality of it is.....nobody can ever be prepared for EVERYTHING. Life will ALWAYS throw you a curve ball that you aren't totally prepared to deal with regardless of how prepared you THINK you are. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't spent much time in the real world. You might need a little more time in the real world to realize that you can handle any curve ball thrown at you without becoming a wolf. Every time one of us comes out against becoming a thief or murderer to support our families during TEOTWAWKI, someone like you comes out and pretends to know more about real life than we do. If your fall back plan is to become a wolf, you better be a bad ass wolf, because lots of us are great sheep dogs. I am not saying that I "would" be prepared ahead of time. I am saying that I "am" prepared ahead of time. Right, fucking, now. Try to understand the difference. If you aren't, then you are part of the problem. |
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Ya know, this is a nice theoretical discussion, but the likelihood of needing to do this is slim. What is more likely is that you are out hiking, hit bad weather, and have to break into a cabin in order to get out of a freezing snowstorm. Then you find food inside, and eat it in order to live. That gentlemen is much more likely to happen. Now, is that an acceptable action to take if dying is the other alternative? I ask this based on an experience in North Georgia that happened about 25 years ago and no, not my experience. However, a hiker got separated from his group, bad snow hit (12"), cold (20degrees F with wind), and the hiker broke into a cabin to survive. Is this right or is it wrong? I'll give you the full story once you all weigh in. Writer The hiker lived right. Life or death, you break in and live. I would leave my name, number and short note to explain so I could pay for everthing and thank them. (once you're saved you can find out who owns it to contact them before they show up and find some of their supplies missing) If I owned the cabin I would not want somebody to die when they could survive in my cabin. We're not talking about punks just stealing your stuff to be stealing, survival. |
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I'm prepped and continue to improve that daily. In all out shtf, anything goes. bam, there it is. So sniping fellow ARFCOMMERS for their supplies is ok? I figured as much. You did say "anything". Hopefully, your violent, needless death happens sooner rather than later. That way you can hurt less innocent people. I will do what I can for your wife and children, but you could have done better for them if you had survived. You picked stupid and deserve the darwin award you receive. |
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If you won't do whatever you HAVE to do in a survival situation then you won't make it in a TEOTW situation. Bob Bullshit. I will do whatever it takes now. That is what a man does. Not turn into a wolf to serve his own interests. I have no problem with scavenging over the long term. We are talking months and months of the neighbors not returning and complete breakdown. The problem is that houses in urban settings will get looted very quickly so the pickens will be pretty slim before things calm down enough to allow scavenging. Lots of folks figuring on food that may not even be there. Then we agree. I said in a TEOTW situation. Otherwise I would talk to my neighbors as I was helping them move out. Maybe I was unclear. Bob All of the "no...I would be prepared ahead of time" guys kinda make me laugh. I too have tried to prepare and think of everything and am pretty confident....but the reality of it is.....nobody can ever be prepared for EVERYTHING. Life will ALWAYS throw you a curve ball that you aren't totally prepared to deal with regardless of how prepared you THINK you are. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't spent much time in the real world. You might need a little more time in the real world to realize that you can handle any curve ball thrown at you without becoming a wolf. Every time one of us comes out against becoming a thief or murderer to support our families during TEOTWAWKI, someone like you comes out and pretends to know more about real life than we do. If your fall back plan is to become a wolf, you better be a bad ass wolf, because lots of us are great sheep dogs. I am not saying that I "would" be prepared ahead of time. I am saying that I "am" prepared ahead of time. Right, fucking, now. Try to understand the difference. If you aren't, then you are part of the problem. WHOA WHOA WHOA turbo.....back the fuck up. I don't give a shit WHAT you've done to prep....things don't always go according to "plan" and you'll never be fully prepared. With that said...I made a comment earlier in this thread that I would take corn from a corn field or apples from an apple orchard. I wouldn't be mugging people and breaking into houses. As far as me spending time in the real world....I'd be WILLING to bet I've seen more of it than you. That is all. |
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Ya know, this is a nice theoretical discussion, but the likelihood of needing to do this is slim. What is more likely is that you are out hiking, hit bad weather, and have to break into a cabin in order to get out of a freezing snowstorm. Then you find food inside, and eat it in order to live. That gentlemen is much more likely to happen. Now, is that an acceptable action to take if dying is the other alternative? I ask this based on an experience in North Georgia that happened about 25 years ago and no, not my experience. However, a hiker got separated from his group, bad snow hit (12"), cold (20degrees F with wind), and the hiker broke into a cabin to survive. Is this right or is it wrong? I'll give you the full story once you all weigh in. Writer You are completely missing the point. We are not conversing about a winter storm scenario. We are talking about a non specific situation that involves looting/scavenging on a large scale for survival, with the specific component of societal breakdown. Your example is definitely worth discussing, but irrelevant to this particular thread. No one said which situation was more probable. You are bringing up an entirely different situation. I respectfully disagree. I'm not missing the point at all. The real point is that when you are faced with complete personal annihilation, people get very basic, very quickly. They will loot, Hurricane Katrina underscores this message. Nonetheless, I get that you are talking about a "non specific situation" and one that is on a "large scale for survival" but the reality is that a large scale is made up of many very small scale situations which happen in close proximity to one another in a short space of time. Period. People will loot, and they'll break into your place in a heartbeat. Even more importantly, if you are desparate enough, so will you. As far as the hiker goes, the guy survived, but his hiking partner whom he got separated from, froze to death due to the fact that the partner didn't have sufficient preps in his pack to survive. He was found curled up around a rock trying to get warm. They were 1 mile apart when they found the body and the surviving "looter" hiker in a hunting cabin that he'd come across, broken into, and made a fire and some food. The dead hiker had the food for the pair. It was the guy's dad who died. All because they as a team did not plan sufficiently to make it in an unpredictable situation with weather. The same holds true for this question. Plan appropriately to make it as long as you can, but once you're at the end of your rope, don't be surprised when you too start to think about how another building looks and the contents therein. To deny otherwise would simply be to deny the fact that humans at their roots are predators. The trick is to plan in advance so you don't have to experience that part of life, if at all possible. Just my $0.02 worth. Happy to be wrong about all the above, but sadly, I don't think I am. |
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I'm prepped and continue to improve that daily. In all out shtf, anything goes. bam, there it is. So sniping fellow ARFCOMMERS for their supplies is ok? I figured as much. You did say "anything". Hopefully, your violent, needless death happens sooner rather than later. That way you can hurt less innocent people. I will do what I can for your wife and children, but you could have done better for them if you had survived. You picked stupid and deserve the darwin award you receive. When its time to go feral, its time to go feral. What can I say. I'll be a warlord. |
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I can't say what I would do given the fact that I've never truly been *hungry* as in truly *starving* to death.
Many shocking stories describing what people will do to survive when starving that make scavenging look pretty tame. Many blessings to count right now...full tummy of beef stroganoff and all. |
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If you won't do whatever you HAVE to do in a survival situation then you won't make it in a TEOTW situation. Bob Bullshit. I will do whatever it takes now. That is what a man does. Not turn into a wolf to serve his own interests. I have no problem with scavenging over the long term. We are talking months and months of the neighbors not returning and complete breakdown. The problem is that houses in urban settings will get looted very quickly so the pickens will be pretty slim before things calm down enough to allow scavenging. Lots of folks figuring on food that may not even be there. Then we agree. I said in a TEOTW situation. Otherwise I would talk to my neighbors as I was helping them move out. Maybe I was unclear. Bob All of the "no...I would be prepared ahead of time" guys kinda make me laugh. I too have tried to prepare and think of everything and am pretty confident....but the reality of it is.....nobody can ever be prepared for EVERYTHING. Life will ALWAYS throw you a curve ball that you aren't totally prepared to deal with regardless of how prepared you THINK you are. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't spent much time in the real world. You might need a little more time in the real world to realize that you can handle any curve ball thrown at you without becoming a wolf. Every time one of us comes out against becoming a thief or murderer to support our families during TEOTWAWKI, someone like you comes out and pretends to know more about real life than we do. If your fall back plan is to become a wolf, you better be a bad ass wolf, because lots of us are great sheep dogs. I am not saying that I "would" be prepared ahead of time. I am saying that I "am" prepared ahead of time. Right, fucking, now. Try to understand the difference. If you aren't, then you are part of the problem. WHOA WHOA WHOA turbo.....back the fuck up. I don't give a shit WHAT you've done to prep....things don't always go according to "plan" and you'll never be fully prepared. With that said...I made a comment earlier in this thread that I would take corn from a corn field or apples from an apple orchard. I wouldn't be mugging people and breaking into houses. As far as me spending time in the real world....I'd be WILLING to bet I've seen more of it than you. That is all. Of course things won't and almost never go according to plan. What you do with that is what separates you from the wolves. From your first response, I got the impression that your one of the idiots who thinks killing people who prepared is okay if your starving. Your later response shows that you do not think that is okay. There is a big difference between picking corn to survive and letting your bad luck turn into an excuse for murder. I can't tell you how many times I have argued with morons like one of the recent posters in this thread who think murder is only another tool in the bag for use when things don't go their way. Your flag indicates your in Iraq. Don't know if that means you are a soldier, or a contractor. That also doesn't mean that you have a moral compass. Your experiences in a war zone do not come close to invalidating my opinions on right and wrong, or what the real world is all about. You need to understand that advocating absolutely "anything" during shtf or TEOTWAWKI is advocating murder as a survival tool. I respectfully ask you to rethink your wording if you do not need to rethink your strategy. |
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Katrina? likely not as I would have bugged out or had supplies for a long enough time
but really long term SHTF? looting wouldn't be an intention before hand but if shit got bad and I was desparate I would. but I would keep track of where I took stuff from and once things recovered I would try to track down the owners and repay them |
| I have stored up over one year's worth of food and supplies for my family of 7. For the average disaster such as Katrina, we would be fine without the neighbor's food and possessions. One of the main reasons that I do this is because I do not want to turn to stealing when times become hard. Yes, stealing. Taking what I have not earned or been given. If my children were hungry, I would probably do a lot of things that I would not consider doing now, so I find it hard to answer your question with any accuracy, since I have never been in that position. I can only do what I can to make sure that I am not in that position. I will say this, if I am breaking in and stealing, I deserve to be shot. I would probably feel the same way about anyone else that I saw breaking into my or another person's house. Someone who is willing to break into another person's house, is going to break in mine when everyone else's is empty. |
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Ya know, this is a nice theoretical discussion, but the likelihood of needing to do this is slim. What is more likely is that you are out hiking, hit bad weather, and have to break into a cabin in order to get out of a freezing snowstorm. Then you find food inside, and eat it in order to live. That gentlemen is much more likely to happen. Now, is that an acceptable action to take if dying is the other alternative? I ask this based on an experience in North Georgia that happened about 25 years ago and no, not my experience. However, a hiker got separated from his group, bad snow hit (12"), cold (20degrees F with wind), and the hiker broke into a cabin to survive. Is this right or is it wrong? I'll give you the full story once you all weigh in. Writer You are completely missing the point. We are not conversing about a winter storm scenario. We are talking about a non specific situation that involves looting/scavenging on a large scale for survival, with the specific component of societal breakdown. Your example is definitely worth discussing, but irrelevant to this particular thread. No one said which situation was more probable. You are bringing up an entirely different situation. I respectfully disagree. I'm not missing the point at all. The real point is that when you are faced with complete personal annihilation, people get very basic, very quickly. They will loot, Hurricane Katrina underscores this message. Nonetheless, I get that you are talking about a "non specific situation" and one that is on a "large scale for survival" but the reality is that a large scale is made up of many very small scale situations which happen in close proximity to one another in a short space of time. Period. People will loot, and they'll break into your place in a heartbeat. Even more importantly, if you are desparate enough, so will you. As far as the hiker goes, the guy survived, but his hiking partner whom he got separated from, froze to death due to the fact that the partner didn't have sufficient preps in his pack to survive. He was found curled up around a rock trying to get warm. They were 1 mile apart when they found the body and the surviving "looter" hiker in a hunting cabin that he'd come across, broken into, and made a fire and some food. The dead hiker had the food for the pair. It was the guy's dad who died. All because they as a team did not plan sufficiently to make it in an unpredictable situation with weather. The same holds true for this question. Plan appropriately to make it as long as you can, but once you're at the end of your rope, don't be surprised when you too start to think about how another building looks and the contents therein. To deny otherwise would simply be to deny the fact that humans at their roots are predators. The trick is to plan in advance so you don't have to experience that part of life, if at all possible. Just my $0.02 worth. Happy to be wrong about all the above, but sadly, I don't think I am. The pair in your example made a bad choice and one of them paid the price. If it was my cabin, I would not have even been upset. it was an accidental situation. I would have wanted them to find a way in and survive. As I understand the OP, this thread was about a long term survival situation and not a temporary incident. Personally, my families farm will be the place that the desperate will want to come and take food, by force if necessary. I will need to harden the fuck out of it to keep out people who don't know how to avoid getting "too the end of their rope". |
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When off of your property in a TEOTWAWKI event always assume that you are under the direct observation of a marksman with a 24x scope on a .30-06 deer rifle. Presume that this marksman has a strong sense of morality and an utter hatred for looters and thugs. Given that, would YOU go into someone else's house and be seen carrying out precious survival goods? Heck, how many arfcommers would go all "sheepdog" during TEOTWAWKI event and BE the guy with the scoped rifle watching their neighbor's homes? Ain't likely to be any warnings given. At least not in my neighborhood.
Looting is a dangerous profession. With sufficient prep, including stocking up on non-perishable "barter items" like booze, you can handle just about any TEOTWAWKI event. Even when that "curve" is thrown you'll be able to trade for what you didn't expect to need (say heavy winter clothing when you live in Florida and an asteroid impact puts ash into the upper atmosphere cooling the planet for years). Prep rather than pillage. Lay-in supplies rather than loot. |
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Ya know, this is a nice theoretical discussion, but the likelihood of needing to do this is slim. What is more likely is that you are out hiking, hit bad weather, and have to break into a cabin in order to get out of a freezing snowstorm. Then you find food inside, and eat it in order to live. That gentlemen is much more likely to happen. Now, is that an acceptable action to take if dying is the other alternative? I ask this based on an experience in North Georgia that happened about 25 years ago and no, not my experience. However, a hiker got separated from his group, bad snow hit (12"), cold (20degrees F with wind), and the hiker broke into a cabin to survive. Is this right or is it wrong? I'll give you the full story once you all weigh in. Writer I've heard stories of people who leave their cabins unlocked for this reason. Basically "come on in, light a fire, eat some of my food, just don't f' up anything" |