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2/16/2009 2:33:58 PM EDT
ClubOrlov

This is from the same guy who came up the 5 Stages of Collapse.
2/16/2009 3:07:24 PM EDT
[#1]
I just got done reading that from another site.

This site Global Guerrillas also has lots of interesting stuff on it.

If particular interest to me is his stuff on Resilient Communities which I'm looking at.
2/16/2009 3:51:35 PM EDT
[#2]
I've read both lately and they are good material.  Great breakdown, comapre and contrast between what happened to the Soviet gvmt, Russian society and what's happening in the U.S. now.  Very highly recommended.
2/16/2009 3:52:18 PM EDT
[#3]
Sounds like sour grapes and wishful thinking on Orlov's part.  With him being a Russian, I can see why he wishes America to go the way his Country did.
2/16/2009 4:11:01 PM EDT
[#4]
While I disagree with much of it, it does provide much food for thought.

Ops
2/17/2009 2:34:52 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
While I disagree with much of it, it does provide much food for thought.

Ops


+1

i disagree w/ his main theory, which is that "that the United States and the Soviet Union will have collapsed for the same reasons, namely: a severe and chronic shortfall in the production of crude oil (that magic addictive elixir of industrial economies), a severe and worsening foreign trade deficit, a runaway military budget, and ballooning foreign debt."  interesting how his theory completely overlooks the effects that communism had on russia, misses the result of sending the majority of our manufacturing overseas and fails to make the connection that it was political policies in the US that emulated socialist ideals that were an underpinning for what has happened.  specifically, the false idea that everybody is entitled to a house whether they can afford it or not.  carter started this trend, clinton and the younger bush pushed it forward.

i think orlov is selling a book.  he's the equivalent of al gore a few years back.  you take a theory, predicting doom and gloom, that has some support and run w/ it.  make all you can off of books, speaking engagements, movies, etc.  never mind that facts don't support your position, people are emotional about it and they'll give you money.
2/17/2009 5:02:04 AM EDT
[#6]
stopped reading when I got to the part about using highways to catch rainwater.
2/17/2009 3:06:25 PM EDT
[#7]
Good read.
2/17/2009 3:39:39 PM EDT
[#8]
i speed read it and when i got to this part i wrote him off as a tool:



While at work, do as little as possible, because all this economic activity is just a terrible burden on the environment.
2/18/2009 12:58:35 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
i speed read it and when i got to this part i wrote him off as a tool:

While at work, do as little as possible, because all this economic activity is just a terrible burden on the environment.


I took that as a humorous jab at the climate change/global warming/environmental wackos.
2/18/2009 1:41:10 AM EDT
[#10]

My grandfather had a donkey while he was living in Tashkent in Central Asia during World War II. There was nothing much for the donkey to eat, but, as a member of the Communist Party, my grandfather had a subscription to Pravda, the Communist Party newspaper, and so that’s what the donkey ate. Apparently, donkeys can digest any kind of cellulose, even when it’s loaded with communist propaganda. If I had a donkey, I would feed it the Wall Street Journal.


2/18/2009 1:45:14 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
ClubOrlov

This is from the same guy who came up the 5 Stages of Collapse.


Best Practices?

Get out, Get Out, Get Out...

Last plane to (whatever is the closest thing to) civilization, enough cash to get on it, good bye....