Posted: 9/2/2008 7:13:47 PM EDT
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My doc prescribed Tylenol/COD#3 or Vicodin, forget which -will check, to carry for SHTF pain. Are they effective? Just looked, Oxycodone/Percocet What's best? |
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pain is subjective. some folks it would be like water, others it'd knock em right the fuck out. smash your toe with a hammer and try them. then you'll know.   cash is the only current medicine that fixes my shtf pain right now lol... btw I take T3 daily and they do work for me without leaving me loopy, although I've got a reasonable tolerance to pain meds |
| I was given them for some pretty intense dental work a few months back. IMO, they did NOTHING for the pain, made me groggy and nauseous and just made me sleep constantly. I took 3 of them over about a 12 hour period and decided to just live with the pain. Was pretty miserable for about a week and a half, but managed to deal with it. Honestly, pain killers are pain killers, but in my opinion if you are in enough pain to warrant taking pain killers, get some that will kill the pain. TY3 did NOT for me. Careful with those things either way bro, nasty stuff there. |
Its also good to remember that some of the stronger pain meds are also very addictive  c0 ____________________________ Failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine. Tpass.org |
| I had a bunch of dental work done last year, 2 crowns, 2 root canals and a couple more fillings. Dentist gave me script But to tell the truth I ended up taking 800mg of ibuprofen. I have found that in most cases, this will take the edge off of most big pain, enough to clear the head a bit and keep the throbbing pain to a minimum. I don't deal too well with the narcotics. |
Have you had a kidney stone?
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Ohhhh, you just reminded me of the worst pain in my life. Undescribable and very fast hitting. |
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Just FYI: The recommended dosage was 1 pill every 4 hours. I did that and felt worse than when I started. My advice would be take the meds as prescribed and see how they affect you. You SHOULD know within a day or so by how you are feeling. If they work, great. If not contact your doc and seek alternative methods. But be aware, as stated above, ALL PAIN MEDS are highly addictive. Like I said be careful bro, those things can end up being pretty nasty. Good luck and get well. |
T3 and vicodin are almost the same (hydrocodone), almost popped like candy. Oxycodone will kick your ass if you need to think straight. Don't take unless someone else is there to think for you for a few hours. You can stay awake on it, and be led around and follow orders, but it's worse than being drunk for higher thinking/motor skills like driving. note: I'm no medical professional, just have taken all three of the above more than once or twice. ETA: don't get caught driving on any of them!!!! |
There are people with high pain tolerance and low pain tolerance. I think I am in the high pain tolerance category. Over the years, for various reasons, I have been prescribed pain meds. The only time I took any was after having my wisdom teeth pulled. And that was only the first day. I rarely even take Advil, although at the last campout I popped a few. If you were there you know why .Pain meds are nice to have around, but be careful if you plan on giving them to someone other than who they are prescribed to. YMMV, Toad |
I describe it as like having a dull kitchen knife shoved into the base of your spine by a 350# linebacker with a grudge. Sharp, yet dull, and enough to put a healthy grown man onto the floor while puking his guts out. As my granddaddy used to say, Aint nothing hurts like Pain. |
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Ya, different strokes for different folks. Myself, codeine (the weakest of teh opiates) does nothing for me, but hydrocodone or oxycodone (vicodin and percoset) will work. If you have a trusted doctor who's willing to write you prescriptions, may as well ask for some other controlled medications to keep on hand Here's a list of things I would find handy; medical professionals feel free to chime in: Epiniphrine (injectable) Some form of benzodiazapine (Xanax, Valume, Klonapin, etc...) Antibiotics for different uses (Zithromax, Penicillin, and cipro [for life or death cases]) Stimulants (dexedrine or Adderall) Pain meds: (percs/vics and maybe some Dilaudid [hydromorphone]) for heavy duty shit Steroids maybe pregnizone or some such to help in recovery to allergic reactions. Speed |
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Tylenol #3: Not worth the money to fill the script Lortab/Vicodin 5/325: See above Lortab/Vicodin 7.5/325: Getting better Lortab/Vicodin 10/325: What I use for back pain now and again Percocet 5/325: Used it once, wasn't impressed Percocet 7.5/325: Works great for my back pain Oxycodone 5mg IR: Had to have my jaw broken for surgery. This is the only thing that allowed me to function. Hydromorphone 2mg PO: Good sleep aid when you're hurting. Now, the big, important thing is this: EVERYONE REACTS DIFFERENTLY. I've seen someone with a severe compound forearm fracture (bones sticking out of the skin) get by just fine on nothing but high-dose ibuprofen. On the other hand, I know people (who I know aren't addicts/seekers) that needed major, high-dose IM narcotics (3mg hydromorphone IM) for pulled muscles. Just remember: medication, all medication, is poison that interferes with your body's ability to work "normally". This is good, this is what it's meant to be, but it's still dangerous to play with. You can get hooked on the hydrocodone/oxycodone that's in Lortab/Percocet, but it'll be the APAP in those two that kills you. |
Skelaxin is a muscle relaxant, IIRC. My wife has it for some neck troubles, and I took one when my back was acting up. If it isn't a muscle problem, it isn't going to help. Personally, I think that Ibuprofen is as good as any of those in the 800 mg range. Though I have a very high tolerance for pain. (The Skelaxin was so I could move, not because the pain was disabling. I was having muscle spasms and would lock up.) |
I would not take any of those for fear of some kind of collateral problem, including mild addiction...I'm just scared of that stuff. I tell you what I will take, and what works, is MOtrin. one motrin 800 will fix what ails you. I believe in excess it can harm the lining of your stomach, but that's mild compared to addition to the other stuff. |
Personally, I think it depends on the person. I've never been troubled by booze, tobacco, or drugs and don't bother with them. And I've got plenty around me if I were so inclined. In fact, I never could understand the desire to smoke and drink and my bro died a young death because of both. Knock on wood that I don't start someday. |
of the three, oxycodone (percocet) is the most potent, mg for mg. Tyl #3 is codeine, has the highest rate or GI side effects, and most likely to have a true allergic reaction. the hydrocodone (vicodin) is about half as potent as the oxycodone. The advantage to the percocet is dosing flexibility. Tablets can be halved, or quartered, and be dosed for a lightweight, or a heavyweight. in extreme pain, you are less likely to approach the upper dosing limit (which is based on the acetaminophen (tylenol) component, not the narcotic) Go with the percocet. |
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oxycodone and percocet have the same active ingredient. oxycodone, the percocet just has tylenol added. tylenol #3 is codeine a completely different drug but again with tylenol added. vicodin or hydrocodone is again a completely different drug. so many people think they allergic to codeine but the reality is that very few are. all the above druge should not be taken on a empty stomach, that is where most people run into problems. nausea is not an allergic reaction. hives, color changes swelling airway difficulty are s/s of most allergic reactions, all the above can make you itch thats just a side effect. the best route is to see what works for you at the lowest dose possible, and supplement with aspirin or ibuprofen, and always watch your tylenol dose for the day. tylenol is in almost everything out there so be careful.\ Sulindac is an old school antiinflammatory not used alot anymore but still out there. always look for non-pharmaceutical ways to alleviate pain, ice,elevation, heat, compression,and rest. and never combine alcohol with any amount of tylenol if you value your liver. this is basic info found in most refernce books, and is not intended to replace your doctors orders. |
Thanks for a concise answer. My Doc prescribed the Percoset [Oxycodone 5/325]. I asked for the script to be broken into separate bottles w/ labels so they are available at dif locations w/out having to transport them too much. |
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When I was having pain related to my cancer, I was prescribed "HydroCodone" at the ER for pain. The pain was so severe I was unable to sleep or find a position which did not hurt. I took a Hydrocodone when I arrived home and sat down in a recliner, drifted in and out of conciousness all evening. I took two when I went to bed... I seemed to recall my head hitting the pillow, I lay on my back and woke up in EXACTLY the SAME position when I awoke the following morning. I never took another one. P.S. I have a rather HIGH threshold of pain, I NEVER take things for pain I put it out of my mind, and the pain I was having worsened to the point I went to the Doctor, who sent me to the ER. CT scan etc. That was the first trip to the ER. Later when I was at the ER due to EXTREME PAIN!!!! I was given I think two CCs of Morphine IV, almost an imperceptible amount in a Syringe. The pain stopped almost instantly. The rest was given to me later prior to me leaving the ER. The pain had returned and they gave me that and a Scrip for Vicodin (which I thought the Hydrocodone was but the Pharmicist told me that it was not Vicodin is per the Pharm diluted a bit with Tylenol) The Morphine that I was given basically knocked me right the hell out. I got in the car, my sister drove me home and by the time I got there (roughly 10 minute drive) I was dead to the world. was jostled awake enough to walk the 25 feet to the house and was out again... |
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Check out the classes of drugs. Class 1 cannot be prescribed.(by the federal government's laws CA ignores this) Oxycodone is a class 2. Hydrocodone is a class 3. I've had 2 kidney stones. The only thing I'll expect to not make me cry like a little bitch during such is intravenous morphine and oxycodone sustaining. ETA: when I went in for my first kidney stone, they took me straight back over the ER room full of illegals and were hooking me up to an IV with morphine before they finished checking me in. If/when you ever have a kidney stone, you will know what sedatives were invented for. |
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It all work just a matter of dosage. After my injury got to where Ihitting like 30mg of oxy every 6 hrs. Never bothered me a lick dropped it cold after 4 mos. noside affects. I hate narcotics will always take Motrin 800 before narcs just me though. Wife says I'm hard as old people toe nails.
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Just to clear up some bad information... OXYcodone is on of the active ingredients in Percocet, the other being Tylenol. OXYcodone is also available as a stand-alone drug in two forms: Immediate Release (OxyIR) in either tablets or liquid, and CONTINuous Release (OxyCONTIN) in tablet form only. Oxycodone is a schedule II narcotic. HYDROcodone is only available mixed with another drug (homatropine, ibuprofen, or Tylenol). It is /not/ available as a stand-alone drug. Vicodin, Lortab, and Norco are all various amounts hydrocodone mixed with various amounts of Tylenol. You have to be very careful with all of these (and Percocet) not only because of the potential for addiction, but also because you shouldn't take more then 4000mg of Tylenol a day. Morphine is the grand-daddy of all narcotic pain killers. It's available as a PO liquid, tablets (both IR and CR), or injectable. Morphine's good stuff. Hydromorphone is a synthetic opiate derivative, brand name Dilaudid. In injectable form, 1MG of hydromorphone is equivalent to about 6mg morphine. It's very good stuff. The FDA narcotic schedule does not (directly) measure how "powerful" a drug is. All the schedule's directly measure or relate to is the addiction potential of the medication. Also, individual states have the legal ability to add certain drugs to their controlled substance lists, i.e. drugs that have to be recorded in a specific way, and prescriptions for those drugs have to be written in a certain way. For example, the FDA does not have carisprodol (Soma) listed as a narcotic, but my state (Florida) does. This is because carisprodol is often used by those who abuse other drugs to make the high last longer/feel better. |
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I think you need to change your pain killing perspective. You need the minimum pain killer to get you over the pain hump - Not something to completely eliminate pain and make you feel "good". This goes double in SHTF. A lot of heavier narcotics (Oxycodone, for example) actually end up lowering your pain tolerance over time, and that is one of the reasons they end up being so addictive. So you have surgery and need them to get over the pain hump. Reduction of the pain actually speeds the healing process, but people take so much that they don't feel ANY pain. Then when they get off the drug, air hurts, life sucks, and they need the drug to feel reasonable - unless they are willing to suck it up and ride through the withdrawal symptoms. You don't want to be addicted to anything during SHTF when it will take your awareness away, degrade your ability to get things done, or when getting your "fix" will mean wasting scarce resources, bartering or scarce resources, or scrounging for scarce resources (especially if competing with desperate addicts and their suppliers). |
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When you look at "pain killers" for SHTF purposes you have to look at their method of action. Any opiod analgesic is basically a CNS depressent. Not necessarily getting rid of the pain in the true sense but lessoning your ability to process/realize the pain as it depresses your central nervous system. Acetaminophen or Tylenol acts upon pain in a different way, it inhibits the CNSs synthesis of prostaglandins and results in reducing the bodies physical reaction to trauma decreasing pain that way. Personally I would carry both, an opiod analgesic and acetaminophen. This is why Vicodin is so popular, it attacks pain several ways. A word of advise...tread litely when self prescribing, many of these meds can be very very bad for you if used in large doses/long term. Tylenol for example will DESTROY your liver. The last thing you want after you survive the commies and zombies is to die of acute liver failure in a gutter some where or die of respiratory failure when you take too many narcotics. |
Have you ever had a kidney stone? If not, and you ever do you will probably find that you will not give one hoot in hades about a collateral problem when that bad boy drops you to your knees and you cry for your momma. Been there three times and have a high pain tolerance myself which don't mean crap when that little piece of stuff decides to cut loose. You also talk real nice to the ED folks so they will write a Rx for a few more pills so that you can carry them with you wherever you go, forever. They make a little drug holder thingy that attaches to a key ring which pretty much never leaves my sight. The nurse that helped me through my first stone had 3 kids and one kidney stone. She quickly advised that she would rather have all three of those babies come out at one time than have another stone. |
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I've had kidney stones before. My last blocked the tube between my kidney and my bladder. You all know you can't compress a liquid. At the hospital they gave me a shot of morphine, I still felt the pain but I didn't care anymore. There's more (pain) to the story but I'll leave that off. |
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YOU haven't lived till you have had a flexible steel cable inserted in your wee wee and pulled back through ....catching the stone in a little claw like thing..  I screamed like a whore at a Hells Angels party...blood shot all over and they had my feet in stirrups...like a little bitch....DAMN!!!...  ...after the cable came out and my pulse dropped to 300beats per minute...the doctor asked the nurse what the extra pain meds were for on the counter turns out she forgot to give then to me!!!!!  ...anyway I left the docs office with my hurt and damaged Johnson...in my hand....  ...drove myself home...gets better...needed to peewhen i got home, so I pulled out my damaged pride...and cut loose....MOTHER OF GOD!!!...blood clots the size of Pennies...rained out...my left hand went to the wall to hold me up... blackness surrounded me for a second...I use my right hand like a 3/4 in ball valve.. to regulate to flow....took about 2 hours to get the clots out!!!... ...happy ending....  |
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I had a patient today that had the most painful life I think I have ever heard of. When he was 12 he was diagnosed with Ulcerating Colitis and they had to take out his colon and replaced it with a part of his small intestine. From then on he had to insert a balloon like device up is butt and inflate it 3 times a day for 15 minutes each time to keep his colon/rectum expanded. He did this for 14 years until he just gave up and they cut out his colon again from all the scar tissue and put in an ileostomy (a bag attached to his abdomen) where he pooped out of. If you think you had it bad just think of having to butt rape yourself like a large inmate would 3 times a day and always staying as tight as a virgin. OUCH
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That's funny but I'd go to a different doc the next time. |
+1 I'm in the vicodin=aspirin crowd.  I thought I was the only one until I started asking around. Guess it's not that uncommon. I mean, there's no disconnected, loopy, or nauseous feelings. Doesn't even take the pain away. Just kinda dulls the edge of the pain a little.But percosets make good sleping pills for about two days. 
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Getting medication advice on AR15.com is probably bad advice. Does anyone know where I can get some clips for my assault rifle? Get it? Different drugs effect affect people differently. Take the lowest tier of pain meds first. There are few situations where simple ibuprofen does not work. To the Vicodin/"perc"/norco abusers here, take your meds as your doctor prescribed. It's all fun and games doing "Vicon-weisers" until you wake up one day yellow 'cause your liver is shot. I couldn't tell you how many times I've seen people destroy their livers with narcotic pain pill combos. |