Posted: 7/23/2008 5:21:16 AM EDT
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I'm either a fool or a genius, y'all can help me out and be the judge. I've had a real sense of foreboding lately. It's like there's something I can't put my finger on that's got me more than a little worried. This isn't just general concerns about world or national affairs. It feels as if there's something tangible going on around me in my immediate AO that I haven't noticed consciously yet. My gut is constantly telling me, "keep your shotgun handy and your head on a swivel, have the alarm set even when you're home and awake, and sleep lightly". What should I do about this, in y'all's opinion? Anyone ever get anything similar? Did it pan out? What did you do? Thanks again! |
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This has come up a few times in the last few years. In fact, this was the first time I had a real disagreement with a prominant poster here, because he joined in on the initial discussion then chided himself and the rest of us for being worry warts and has since had a "don't worry be happy" kind of mentality. We havent' really gotten along since. I have a theory on this and was just thinking about it a few days ago. I think there is something to it, especially when many of us get the feeling something isn't right, or something seems wrong, it's that buckle down and hold on feeling. I suspect we are collectively right. I also think many times in the past something was brewing, but the trigger was never pulled. So the logical side of our analysis was tempted to feel foolish. The problem with "that feeling" is that eventually people tend to ignore it, when probably each time they had it, they were very close to some horrible national problem and just didn't know. I have ignored my gut and was burned each time. Now, I never ignore my gut, even when as time passes there is no objective, concrete, observable confirmation/validation of "the feeling." Though it is seldom confirmed, I still trust it. As an aside/caveat, I do NOT link the feeling with all of the doom and gloom put out by the main networks so they can get you to watch their programs...Only a fool would fall for most of their drivel. I listen and discount a lot of what I hear from Tom Broke Jaw. It's what Tom doesn't report, that I DO know about, that worries me. |
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Cymro....I understand what you mean. I have had the same feelings lately, and i'm feeling like..."am i forgetting something"..."did i forget something important". I agree with FordGuy's assessment.....trust your gut, always. I have been burned every time i didn't also. Keep your preps up, you equipment ready and your weapons close. Stay vigilant and that should give you some peace of mind that whatever happens, you will be more prepared than the sheeple...... Keep safe.... |
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Anyone paying attention to the real news would have a sense of foreboding. While fuel prices reflect the inflation of the American dollar, food and electricity have yet to catsh up. Life is gonna ve very interesting if it does. The average guys is gonna have a choice between feeding the family, driving to work, or staying warm. Pick one.. I ocassionally get the same case of the willies. I go do an inventory of supplies when that happens, that usually settles things down some. I can understand your reaction, considering that NC is a hurricane target and I doubt that the local EMA has really planned for a hurricane evac. Go make up a threat assessment, sooner or later you'll find something that catches your attention. Another thought may be that one of your associates (or one of theirs) may be involved in something that isn't kosher. You'd be surprised at how many tweakers are out there, and how many of them you know thru a third party. Welcome to the forum. Ops ETA: Keep your firends close, and your enemies closer.. |
| it's hard not to look at the world and get worried. imo we are at a pivotal point in US history, multiple storms are brewing, that individually i think we can handle. if, however, two or three or four hit us at the same time, i hope people have their preps in order. i think things have been on a downward slide for a long long time, w/ occasional blips to the upside. i used to believe that republicans would pull their heads out and get things fixed. now i think that almost all politicians have sold out to PACS and/or special interest groups and are only concerned w/ keeping their power, versus using their power to help effectuate good. read the words of the founding fathers and you will see that they warned against many of the political things that are happening now. over two hundred years ago, they knew what would destroy the republic and we have allowed those things to happen. unless we have a drastic change, the downward slide will continue. i have no idea when we'll hit bottom, but i'd bet it'll be w/i my 5 y.o. son's lifetime. |
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All I know is that animals can "sense" danger and natural changes/disasters, such as the warnings they gave the Chinese before the big quake, as well as many other examples. So it goes to reason that we humans can also "sense" when something is wrong... we just don't know how to put a finger on it... But there is also PARANOIA...  Discerning between the two is the trick... Rmpl |
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Yes, I have the same feeling... A week or two ago, I could understand it, the banking system was in trouble, and there was alot of international turmoil, and I think alot of people (sheeple) suddenly came to the realization that we as a nation might be in trouble. Yet today, oil is down $20 a barrel and dropping, the stock markets have rallied upwards greatly, and everywhere, everyone is saying its all over, that "good times" are here again, yet that little voice in the pit of my being is screaming at me to BE READY FOR "SOMETHING"... And yes, whenever I have ignored that voice it has not gone too well... so... I make sure the house is locked up tight, the car is fueled up, I have cash on hand, and wear my CCW... Bottom line, everything seems to be ok, but our instincts are telling us something is not right, and the fact we cannot put our finger on it, is really bringing it to our attention... Trust your Gut! Your subconscious is processing something your conscious mind has overlooked. |
There's a million years of paranoia built in to humans. Most of has not been necessary for a few hundred years. Maybe your programming can smell a large cat in the area. Why do so many people freak about nails on the chalk board. Maybe because it sounds like the claws on the cave floor. |
| My daughter works for Meredith & Associates in Texas as a CPA and the owners of the business have called meetings to discuss the major economic happenings yet to come in the near future for their clients and themselves. TRUST your GUT something is brewing and not in the best interest of this republic. The New World Order MAY Becoming a much closer reality. TEOTWAWKI?? The minuteman Civil Defense Corp are warning about the impending economic collapse and coming of the North American Union and the new currency the AMERO as well as the fall of U.S.A. I know preaching to the choir Doom and Gloom Parinoid etc. I've heard it all. I can see the writing on the wall why can't others??? |
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I think for a lot of folks the reality of a hard recession is now upon them. Before people would fool themselves into saying... "its not an official recession yet" or "this will be a mild recession". For me it's just become so crystal clear that the government and media are lying and manipulating the public that it's easy to become paranoid. It's hard to tell where the lying and manipulation end. But we've made it through this far. Just get your preps in order, keep your powder dry, and be ready. I've got my fingers crossed that we'll be out of this recession in a year. |
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One interesting little tid bit from when I was recently in Washington DC: Spoke with a guy who was at one time on the National Security Council, an ambassador, and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). Name was Robert E. Hunter He said "Privacy is dead" I took this to mean that the elites thought that our privacy was dead and we should get used to it (Patriot Act, etc). Upon questioning he mentioned how the technology was as such a level that there's no privacy left (phone and email were mentioned specifically). In retrospect, these guys in DC seemed to be genuinely concerned about stuff like youtube, where anyone could make video/audio available to everyone in a matter of minutes. So privacy for the elites may be dead as well. I see this as a hopeful sign (that technology is destroying privacy for the elites anyway) |
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Could be the possibility of a Democrat winning in Nov Could be all the storms and the assumption that nothing has improved from Government response (Katrina) BTW From what I heard the state must request Fed Help and La/NOLA did not at first.  Could be we are all wondering if Al-Qaeda has slipped though and has something planned. Could be 
Discerning between them is the trick But just because you are Paranoid does not mean someone is not after you. 
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I've had that feeling on and off for years now. It's happened at strange times for me. I don't feel it now but then again I've been able to keep my preps up and add to them. I've also taken steps to isolate myself from financial problems, and managed to get a carbine training class in a few weeks ago that I am very thankful for. I know nothing can prepare you for the real thing (shooting or SHTF) but I'm doing my best. |
Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanco should be in jail for how shitty they did. The evacuations and delays in equipment were caused my mass retardation |
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Thank you all for your responses. It's interesting to hear other people's thoughts and stories. I do want to clarify that my current issue isn't about the election, or the current state of the nation, or world affairs. It's the sharp, decided feeling that something in my immediate area of operations is wrong, and I just can't put my finger on it consciously. Like there's a potential threat I can't quite see except out of the corner of my eye. I'd be curious to know if any of you have similar experiences, and how they played out. Thanks! |
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As someone else has already mentioned, go buy and read The Gift of Fear - it's a hell of a good book, even if the writer has an admitted psychological fear of guns (early childhood trauma). The book addresses, specifically, gut "fear" reactions to something in your immediate AO. Essentially, he posits that this is simply barely-visible warning signs that your subconscience has processed but your conscience mind hasn't had time or the ability to. If you're feeling like there's something in your immediate area that is making you so uncomfortable that you are making sure your weapon is at the ready 100% of the time, I suggest you PAY ATTENTION to it. Maybe alter your normal schedule a bit. Do something different. Get a new perspective on your area. It may make something that's been bothering you but you couldn't put your finger on it pop out and salute. Alternatively, find some "quiet time" to simply sit and reflect on things. If there's really something going on, a bit of introspective thought may be the ticket to identifying the issue. Watch the traffic in front of your house. Look and see what's going on at 2 in the morning and 2 in the afternoon. Are your neighbors behaving differently? Has the traffic in your area changed? In the OODA loop, your mind is telling you to go straight to action... it's observed something that you haven't yet figured out. It may be imperative to back up and figure out why you're getting ready for action. You need to step back and observe, then orient. After that, you can make a conscience decision about what needs to be done. |
| I say trust your gut. I once new a guy (coworker) who car pooled to work with some buddies, when they got to the job he had this feeling that he should have just stayed home that day, his buddies had to pull him from the car and drag him into work, he did not know why he had this feeling, the work day went fine, but later that night he died in a drunk driving accident. Since then I trust my gut. |
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I have had a distinct sense of foreboding that has been increasing for the last 15 years. Once I realized that there are people in this nation that are dedicated to destroying our Liberty. There is an illuminatti in the world that thinks we do not deserve and cannot handle this experiment in Freedom that we live in. The attacks on our Freedom have hit a crecendo (as well as my sense of foreboding) with the success liberals have had in driving up oil prices in an attempt to ween us off of oil. They don't care how many they starve to death because it will drive more people into desparation and toward the democratic party. Some politicians believe in getting out of our way and letting us be successful and happy. Others do not need or want us to live well. All they require is our obedience. Our success in life is completely inconsequential to their acquisition of power. They will destroy anyone and any group that opposes their rise to power. I don't know how this will end, but it will get much, much worse before it gets better. |
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I have had different kinds of 'severe foreboding' several times thru out life. Like trying to sleep at the base of El Cap the night before a climb. Once you are on the rock, you are immersed in the situation more worried about your next move and in total awe of having thousands of feet of fresh air under your butt. About a year ago, I had what I think you might be going through. I felt like something was going to happen, Big Time, and I wasn’t prep’d for it. Listen to your gut - there is more to this picture than we can see and the ones that listened are the ones that lived. Knowledge is a double edge sword - the more you know about possible threats, the more you understand how unprepared you are. But... you are still way better off than the sheep with his head stuck in the sand. Have trust in yourself. Just make the best decisions you can as things come up. That's all any of us can do. |
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If I had a dollar for every time I had a bad feeling about something I would be a billionaire. Just living here in the Peoples Republic of California gives you bad feelings of what is next. Wait until afer the election and the rest of you have to deal with the ComuCrats running everything and giving it all to those that do nothing. Yes,there are a lot of things happening but a lot of it is just being drummed into everyone by the news media wanting to get the sheep to vote Democrat. I'll bet a lot of doom & gloom goes away after the Obama win. We have had wars on multiple fronts,high prices,high taxes,run away inflation,gas shortages,banks going bust by the 100's and high unemployment before and we did just fine. It is long overdue for the average American to stop borrowing beyond what they can afford and enjoy what you have. I won't be getting any "bad feelings" until I start seeing many cars with multiple passengers not the majority with just the driver,dope dealers with no customers,bars with few customers and closing their doors.Then it will be time to worry that things are getting tough.We are a long way from that stage. If you are reasonably prepared,knowledgable,confident and aware you just make the best of any situation. Red |
+1  Not to mention that the President is now in favor of it.  Our only hope is the Senate. (we're doomed) And anyone who believes that the bailout is only going to cost $25 billion needs to quit whatever they're smoking. |
BIG +1 |
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What about the current state of the economy or politics is "not" giving you the signal to be concerned? The signs are everywhere (inflation, flat economy, falling home prices, tightening credit standards, job losses, big Obama win in November sweeping through Congress, AWBII) You have plenty real reasons to justify your concern. The real issue, however, is the real possibility of an impending Al Queda strike. They struck in 1992, during a tough economy, with a new President that only won 43% of the vote, taking advantage of our weakened state to effect maximal damage. Fortunately the WTC did not collapse "that time". After repeated overseas strikes through the next 8 years, they struck domestically again in 2001, after the stock markets were in a massive sell off after the 2000 tech boom, slowing economy and new President that just barely won by a few hundred votes which ended in controversy pitting blue vs red. They waited for the opportune time to take advantage of us again to maximize the effect of their strike. They interfered with the Spanish election by attacking shortly before election day. And they were successful in getting a "non-forward leaner" elected. With the current weakened state of the global financial system, stock market, housing market, job market, energy costs, food costs, political climate, there is precedent for them to choose either a pre-election or post election strike. That narrows it down to the next 12 months. One might consider that if they truly wished to maximize their effect, they would try to capitalize on current financial instability instead of waiting for 2009 when the financial system might be stabilized. These guys sit and plan for years waiting for the right set of circumstances. Everyone should simply review their inventory and preparedness plans a little more frequently than normal. Not much else we can do. |
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I've had the feeling something wasn't quite right many, many times. I've actually been surprised once, on 9/11. Like everything else, I analyze these instances to death, and here's what I think. I think sometimes my "edge of doom" feelings come from some uncertainty/instability in my own life, like when I spend more than I should on something, then have to stretch to make next payday, or when I edge up toward a confrontation with friends, boss, co-workers, SO, whatever. I think sometimes "edge of doom" feelings come from a personalized view of world events, say two mainstream media stories outlining the currently diplomatic conflict with Iran, plus one backchannel report of massive Patriot battery shipments to the ME. When this sort of trigger gives you reason to believe that significant occurrances aren't being reported, imagination gets free rein and all possibilities, no matter how unlikely, become "possible" in your mind, leading to the "future black hole" you can't see, smell taste, feel, or hear, just worry about. Sometimes, "edge of doom" feelings come from known, tangible processes, like all the way through 2002 and early 2003, when I knew damn well we were going to do Iraq, and the libs kept saying it'd never happen, except "edge of doom" doesn't really describe the foreknowlege of OIF, that was more like "speed bumps ahead". Every once in a while, I'll spend half a day or a day on the "edge of doom" due to a combination of prep books, military history, media, TV programs even dreams that alter my headspace in the short term. In any event, my standard response to unease is as folows: 1. Repeat: Massive operational level surprises against the US are EXTREMELY rare. 2. Repeat: Hope for the best, plan for the worst, THEN, enjoy life. 3. Spend some money to fill some gaps in my preps, or else spend some time inspecting and organizing those preps if cash is in short supply, in short, put physical hands on your preps and improve them when you feel uneasy. 4. Compare your efforts to secure your future with other people you know, you'll nearly always come out ahead. You don't necessarily have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun one other person the bear is chasing. 5. If you're still uneasy, go shooting. Put some rounds through black paper, or some meat in the fridge, it's good for your soul, and good for your sense of security. 6. Get outside, for some rock climbing, some grass cutting, some rugged terrain hiking, something that makes you feel good, oxygen surplus in the bloodstream, plus gives you a feeling you can meet challenges or are better prepped than most. That pretty much works me through periods of unease, and when it doen't, you can drill "performance under stress' exercises. Life doesn't come with guarantees of serenity, whether you are feeling secure or at the very edge, you still have to do what you have to do, so-qwit-yer-whinin-and-get-busy-mister, yer-burning-daylight. 
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I'll bet you won't see that. People will continue the status quo until it kills them.
I'm not sure what that constitutes anymore. I used to feel good with 6 months of living expenses in the bank and a pantry of food; now I fear that I may need upwards of 12 months living expenses. And a ton of food. And a ton of first aid gear. And a ton of face masks. And a ton of... |
This. Also, a LOT of people are very discontented with the way things are going right now, and all that seething anger is making folks antsy, anticipating trouble. Some of us are picking up on that too. |
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My mother in law, a sheeple but I love her to death, has never understood my preps and considered them a waste of time and money on my part. No big deal, it's to be expected and we've all gone through that to some degree. Just today, she starts inquiring about what food she should store and that she just "felt worried." |
same scenario for me. My wife and MIL talking about preps That is not a normal topic of conversation, and my needle just swung a little more toward the red. I think that there is a nasty surprise just over the horizon. My 'spidey sense' and been tingling for about 6 months now... sometimes worse than others. I just moved from the city to the sticks, if that tells you what I think of my inner voice. |
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I’ve had that feeling for about a year now and I’ve been getting ready from then. Others can feel it too, just look at all the survival food stores going empty. I meet people who are getting ready and they like me or us get the giggle factor from people we know. But it won’t be that funny when the SHTF and they’re not ready. The finical situation in the US is getting and will be worse that we have ever seen or read about. It’s happening right in front of everyone and people have this unrealistic hope that it’s just a passing phase. But something is happening, we just don’t know exactly what we will see yet. |
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excerpt from an e-mail I recently sent to a friend in response to an article they sent me: While we are throwing numbers around here are a few more for you to consider: 2000 = 28,000 2001 = 30,000 2002 = 30,000 2003 = 40,000 2004 = 65,000 2005 = 165,000 That is the number of OTM's (Other Than Mexicans) apprehended crossing the border illegally per the years listed. I couldn't find the stats for 2006 - but one article I did find said that as of 3 months into the years it was up 30% from 2005. www.globalsecurity.org cites a figure of 1 out of every 4 illegal border crossers are apprehended. So we can speculate based on these numbers that in 2006 - 643,500 people other then mexicans made it illegally into the United States. Now Ahmadenajad's statement about having 40,000 suicide bombers/terrorists in the US doesn't seem so outlandish does it? So anyway - if we all know that things are bad and according to our Bible they will get much worse - add that to the fact that in the last year - the gov't has put out commercials telling people to stockpile, the state gov't and local gov'ts have done the same, even Time Magazine, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, USA Today, Newsweek, etc etc have done articles telling people to develop disaster plans and stockpile. Heck even God has told us to be prepared. Why do we act surprised when Mountain House runs out of 10# cans. I'm not - just like I won't be surprised the day I swipe my credit card and it doesn't work anymore since if you spread the credit card debt of this country out - every man, woman, and child would owe 3,300 plus dollars (970 billion dollars). More and more people are saying that is the next thing to topple after the mortgage mess. I'll go one step further and say if you are really concerned and believe something is going to take place - if you aren't living out in the country and away from the cities - this might be a good time to think about it. Anyways - that's my two cents worth. |
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So I picked up some salt (inspired by the thread on this forum) the other day @ Costco. Nothing big, just a couple 3 packs of the what, 1 or 2 lb cylinders? I had picked one up previously. Tonight my wife noticed the additional 6 and completely jumps my shit. It was kind of funny, really. Like she thought I was up to something. We don't use a lot of salt, so as far as consuming, that's probably enough to last a couple lifetimes. I gave a couple half-hearted "you can use it to preserve foods, or what if you were going to make pickles and needed to make brine... it was really cheap" etc. Then it dawned on me, and I gave her the coup de grace "I have a hundred pounds of rice packed in 30 year mylar, and a few pounds of salt is making you wonder if I'm crazy?" So yeah, my sense of foreboding comes and goes. It's mostly economic in nature. I REALLY want to get our shit paid off in the next few years. |
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Remember it wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark. Imagine the ridicule he faced building a big boat in the middle of nowhere without a drop of rain to be seen. I felt had the same sense of foreboding since Y2k and looked like chick little sounding the alarm Those same sheep that made light situation are no better off today. Although they ask a lot more question now. With the knowledge I've learned at least I won't be standing in a bread line when the SHTF. Hopefully |
Or, they were the .gov in charge of a massive welfare based and violent society, and accomplished a major relocation of a lot of that society to other communities. And remained in power through it all, blaming it on the Feds. Idiocy or brilliance? |
It's NOT just your area. I don't have cable and don't/can't watch the major networks so I don't get all of the hype/BS that comes across the cable "service" but I still get that feeling that something is happening. And it's stronger than ever. Planned or not something is coming. Trust your instinct and be ready for whatever happens. |
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December 26, 2004, in a little vacation town in Thialand known as Ao Nang it was a clear blue sky, beautiful day, tourists were tanning outdoors, swimming, local markets were busy and people were going about their day when they noticed that many animals were suddenly heading toward high ground. There was no rush of wind or change that any of the people noticed, but the animals knew something was coming. Those animal could feel something deep in their primal senses telling to make for high ground. The people learned soon enough why the animals were heading toward high ground when one of the most devastating Tsunamis in recorded history hit killing more than 225,000 people in 11 countries that day. Man has been out of the woods for a long time now. Our primal senses aren't used like they once were now that we live in our modern civilization, but deep down inside they're still there and they still work even though most people ignore them. Something is coming. People can feel it in their bones, but the only difference is that unlike the animals we'll ignore that feeling and will not head to high ground.  |
Global catastrophe is the feeling? With such a fear doesn't the logic slap you in the homunculus? If it is the culmination of any doom scenario nobody will live through it and if it's a die-off then you're also properly fucked. Why do any of you prepare? Why not spend the money on ultimate pleasure and diamond castles? |
Apparently you didn't even come close to understanding his point. The tsunami was a major shtf event for people on the coast. It didn't kill off everyone in the world, it just kicked the hell out of the people on the coast. Many, many people had a hard time finding food and clean water after that. A little dread induced prepping would have save alot of lives after the fact. No one that I have conversed with here thinks that some end of the world senario is coming. There very well could be and "end of the world as we know it" senario. That is what I am prepared for so everything short of that is easy. You can call me stupid if you like, but you won't get much sympathy here. |
Because if it's not a global catastrophe, you'd have to go to the Superdome.  That and diamond castles are expensive to build and a bitch to heat in the winter. Low R-value. You might be able to sell me on ultimate pleasure if she's hot, though. |
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Not to sound like a smart-ass, this thread make me want to re-read portions of the Stephen King book The Stand. A lot of people in that book all start having the same dream ! A decent chunk of my co-workers have the same sense of foreboding. Granted we work in a prison and are surrounded by modern day barbarians, but this sense that "something is just not right, and we are not being told everything" has nothing to do with where we work. I have been increasing the amount of time I spend on cardio when I am at the gym. When I feel myself slowing down I silently recite the following mantra : "On the plains of hesitation lie the blackened bones of millions who stopped to rest and resting died." I also mentally review some portions of the short story The Bug Out by Halfast Well, once again, I typed more than I intended to. Whatever this sense of foreboding is, we ARFcomer's aren't not alone in having it. Medicguy |