Posted: 11/17/2007 9:18:19 AM EDT
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I don't look at climate change from the loony left wing alarmist standpoint but it looks like it is happening before our eyes. The cause is the only thing that I think is up for debate. With the North pole rapidly melting as well as the rapid thinning of the ice sheet covering the Greenland, there is a good chance many of us will see even bigger changes in climate in our lifetimes. Since these climate changes have occurred many times in the past it would be interesting to see some mapped data of what the US climate may be like in 10-20 years particularly in the area of rainfall. Currently the Southwest U.S. is in a long term drought and it looks like it will not be ending in this century news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070405-us-drought.html I'm not saying we can do anything about the climate change but if we can predict where we are heading, it could impact long term preparations such as where you choose to live or even invest in land. Areas that may have been too cold in the past may be opening up to farming and new crops may need to be planted in other areas. Check out climate change in your state over the past 100 years and what is being predicted: www.nextgenerationearth.org/contents/view/23 |
So global warming causes abnormally cold water in the tropical Pacific, leading to La La Niña conditions?  Which, by the way, were first documented by the conquistadores in the 1500s. I'm not yet 100% convinced of "global warming". Here in Nashville, the heat island the libs have created (which is where the official temp is recorded) is consistantly 5-10 degrees warmer than suburbs that are only 10 miles away at the same elevation. On a summer night in a convertible, you can tell exactly where the heat island ends. The records here only accurate for the downtown area is not indicative at all of the rest of the state, it is this way all over the US. |
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In my northern NH rural area there is no doubt the climate is warming. An increasing number of species that never lived here in anyones memory are migrating north. For example, Turkey Vultures everywhere (even very rare 100-miles south until now) Ticks (even my grandparents had never seen them prior to about 1990) 'possums are moving north Insect speicies If anyone says they do not notice global warming it is because they are not attuned enough to the outdoors to notice. Believe me - the loggers, foresters, and others who make a living by working outdoors all year round know that the climate is warming. |
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Sorry Ron, check out this link. It looks like NH was much warmer during the 50s than now with 2nd highest in the 30s and 3rd highest around 1900 (pg 11). It looks like an overall change of +1.5 degrees over the last century. but NH has cooled since the 50s. |
The heat island effect is just a local effect caused mainly by concrete and other heat absorbing materials. Global warming refers to the average temperature around the world going up. Some places can get colder others will get much hotter. On average however temperatures are going up around the world and going up pretty fast. |
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You're forgetting that NASA had a formula snafu that changed all the data. The 1930s-1950s were warmer all over the US than now. Data from 3rd world countries from 50 yrs ago is unreliable. In 1974 TIME MAGAZINE had on its cover the NEXT ICE AGE, caused by CO2. Here's a quote:
This one is laughable given the "global warming" insanity now:
Best one yet:
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Thats your problem. You believe the bullshit. .5 degrees is not a dramatic shift. It is not going up fast. Just because you buy a lie doesn't mean I can't ignore the morons pushing this crock of shit. I listened to a interview with the guy who founded the Weather Channel and he thinks its silly. There is not money in saying everything is fine. If crack pot scientist can create a desperate crisis, then they can get funding to keep making up bullshit to get more funding. The Ice sheets build up and retract on a time scale that we can't imagine. They are doing what they are supposed to do, on the time scale they are supposed to do it. If it floods the east coast, tough. We are not the cause or the solution. |
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My folks live in the southeast. Normally they expect 42 inches of rain a year. This year they got a bit less than half of that. The problem isn't with the lack of rain but what's done with it. The reservoirs are not set up to handle the run off for a long term storage. The leftist force so much flow down the river so the blue clams are happy - while industry, farming, and home owners suffer ... job leave, crime rises ... but the clams are as happy as clams. Their area has been hit with the leftovers of huricanes and suffered flooding only a couple of years ago. Florida was in danger of thinking as two or three huricanes hit it a couple of seasons ago. Here we get about 7 inches of rain a year and store every drop we can gather. Much of the fresh water comes from Northern California were a series of (fragile) aqueducts carry the snow melt down to the Los Angeles basin were it's turned into stealth fighters, music, and porn. Much feeds the farmers of the valley who feed a majority of Americans. The earth has been warming for a long time - Chicago use to be under a hundred feet of ice. I think it has more to due with the sun than SUV's because I'm pretty sure that the SUV (and the industrial age) happened way after Chicago's ice melted. There was a "little ice age" like 500 years ago and the first car motor was still 300 years in the future. |
The climate is changing, that is what it does. Weather patterns never stay stagnant or even predictably stable for long. The ice caps are melting on Mars, we didn't do that. Well that Pathfinder may be doing a little bit there but not that much. I am more inclined to say the sun is producing more energy now than in the last 30 years, the sun goes through cycles too. Nobody knows what is causing the current change in climate, historically though, a warmer climate has always brought prosperity and cooling trends death and wars.There were records for the hottest year on record set in 1934. link to temperature chart for last 112 years
The brightest weather minds work all winter to figure out how may hurricanes there will be every year. The year that was the worst on record was supposed to be normal. The next two years were supposed to record breakers or at least really bad. We got nothing. When the weather man can tell me 100% what the next 10 days will be like, I will listen more carefully when they try to tell me what it will be like in 100 years. |
I'm not forgetting anything. Climate changes happen - that's a fact. About 400 years ago there was a temporary global cooling known as the little Ice Age that is believed to have been caused by a decrease in output by the sun. These things happen. Its happening now. The cause is the only thing of debate. The North Pole is becoming navigable because of the ice melting and that is a fact - not fantasy. Glaciers ARE melting and for the most part this is a world wide phenomenon. There is not nearly as much snow pack in the winters as there once was in the Western US. My original post is related to what impact the changes may have on us from a a survival standpoint. How is/will food supplied be changed as we shift to a climate that has not been seen in perhaps 12,000 years. |
I never said we were the cause nor that we can do anything about it. It is happening though. My post is about dealing with climate change not about the cause. |
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The climate is always changing just be glad it's warming not cooling. Read up on the Little Ice Age. www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/little_ice_age.html |
Thats the problem. You still believe the bullshit lie. They don't want to fix the problem, they want to control you. You are making it very easy. |
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These so called educated people of science fail to accept that our climate is in constant change. The sun has a great impact on our climate but they refuse to address its importance. Whats even worse they are looking at data from the past that in no way can be applied to todays situation. They have forgotten that one of the major impactors on climate is the Himalayas. A mountain range driven by plate tectonics. They are so high in the atmosphere that they alter the climate by blocking moisture and diverting the jet stream. Not only that one has to remember the present structure of water and land is very different today then 10's of thousands of years ago. Today's climate change hypothesis's is at best junk science. Oh and lets not forget that there is a drought in the Desert Southwest. You live in a desert and people complain about a drought. |
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Global climate change is one of the greatest "wicked problem" of mankind. Little progress is ever made over arguing about whether climate change is created by man or if it's a natural phenomenon of the Earth. Because global climate change is "wicked" that means there is no single solution to the problem. The problem can't even be agreed upon in many circles. What can be gleaned from the discussion about global climate change is that one should have some foresight in order to observe what potentially could come in the future. You identified the shrinking of the North Pole. While a lot of people exclaim sea ice retreat is a problem because it causes declining polar bear populations; one must also see that a number of countries are now trying to lay claim to the region of ice retreat. Sea ice retreat has created the opportunity for millions of barrels of oil and natural gas to be mined. In addition precious metals and shipping routes are also a new opportunity. Russia planted a flag at the sea floor not as an intent to really claim the North Pole. What Russia showed is that they have the ability to PATROL the North Pole with a nuclear submarine. Canada has traditionally laid claim to the North Pole yet they've never shown the ability to explore or patrol "their territory". The United States is also semi involved in the debate as to who owns the North Pole. Russia is now coming out of its economic slump and being able to tap into the resources in the North Pole is a huge banknote for that country. Because of global climate change there is now the possibility to go to war over the North Pole. That is what should be thought about global climate change. There is the potential for shipping routes to change based on wins ownership rights. That might mean imported good will cost more. The west is also facing a drought. Do some Google searches about water shortages in India and you'll find instances where a river flow was stopped by one state and the Indian Army had to go and occupy the state blocking the water flow. The Colorado River is a major river that 5+ states rely on heavily. Imagine the day that a state here tries to block the flow of that river. Because the west is in a drought one should be prepared for the potential decrease of clean water subsidies. That means you'll pay more for clean water, those who can afford clean water in India pay over $100 USD/month and they don't utilize the average 200 gal/day/household that the west does. One should be prepared for the decrease in water availability. . . think something similar to rolling black outs possibly. I forsee a day when instead of carbon footprints the left talks about "water footprints" in an effort to conserve potable water. These sort of problems are what I take away from global climate change. Although I don't believe my carbon emissions are the cause of global climate change I want to leave a sustainable environment for my children to grow up in. In order to do this I believe that I must take on sustainable use practices for energy consumption, water, waste, etc. If I don't adjust now I don't have to face a water bill of a few hundred dollars or take the option of not drinking clean water. I want to be able to provide a home that is at a comfortable temperature in the winter time for my family so I like the idea of energy efficient appliances and cleaner burning/more efficient appliances. |
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To try to take this in the direction that I think the op generally had in mind: What sort of things can a person do to prepare for normal, naturally occurring, cyclical climate changes that may occur, such as one might see going into or coming out of an ice age? I personally don't think there's much you can do in advance, you just need to play it by ear, since we can't really know what the future holds. I think some general strategies can help mitigate effects with plantings, etc. If you're on the extreme north or south edge of a growing zone, accept that it may change down the road. I was just looking at trees from the Arbor Day Foundation (great source of cheap seedlings, btw). I'm right on the edge of zone 4 and zone 5, it appears to be within probably 20 miles of my home. Would a zone 5 tree grow here? Probably. Could I count on it to be able to grow here 30 years from now? Probably not. Maybe the zone will move 200 miles north, but maybe it will move 200 miles south. Maybe the planting zone doesn't mean as much as I think it does, and the first hard winter will kill it anyways. But if I'm in zone 4, and I plan to rely on vegetation that's good for zone 2-8... that's a safe decision. So that's my thoughts on planting. What about some other areas? ETA: Good food for thought in gixxersixer's post. |
the frequency of winter storm chart also points to severe winter storms this winter, and the next few. |
| Don't tell me that you are not a left wigger and in the same breath post an article to National Geo! Global Warming is the biggest scam of a free people this century. The polar caps are not melting. Right now there is record snow fall in the Alps. More snow this time of year than since 1954! There may or may not be a .5 degree temp increase. If you tell a lie often enough the Sheep start to believe it. One last statement " Al Gore Is An Idiot! |
Ahh I see. So climate change is not happening and we are in a special period of time where for the the first time in the history of Earth, the climate has locked into into a steady state. The retreating Glaciers that don't exist anymore were just media plants so that Al Gore could do a power grab. I would agree that Gore is an ass and is trying to make political gain and make a power grab from the situation. But the change in climate is still happening. |
So you agree that the climate changes and has undergone changes since well before the existence of man, and therefore it's most likely not man who is responsible for said change. I agree, but the problem is that the left and the UN want to use this non-event event of "Climate Change" to destroy the economies of the developed world. Why they would want to do this? I don't know. Man does not have the ability to effect the planet in the way that the eco-fascists say that we have. I still believe that what we must do is be prepared as individuals. That is all. Read here to learn about the religion of Climate Change.  |
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Definiately getting warmer. It's the middle of November, and I'm wearing shorts today. It's actully quite warm. There is no snow (so much for the Greatest snow on Earth), and it's really just sad. I want winter dangit! I do not fall under the "oh the noez, we'z causing it!", but I have a very hard time NOT believing that the climate is changing again. Yeah, it's just a cycle, but still. I want my snow! |
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I agree with you... and I have not posted in many months. I plan to retire on the beach and I have already told my woman that we will need a building site at least 20 feet above sea level, but still close enough to walk to the beach. Expect a 10 foot rise (at least) over the next 20 years (at most) Check out the Inconvenient Truth (I hate Gore, but he got this one right)  Again I agree. |
Gore is full of shit |
Have you you seen the movie or are you just  ing?
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I saw the movie. There was a lot of BS in it. How very convenient that anyone who disagrees with the movie's conclusions is accused of being either a troll or a shill for the oil companies.  While it might be getting warmer, this doesn't necessarily mean that man is the cause. We had the wettest spring that I can remember since coming to Texas in 2007. According to the link in OP's post Texas temps have gone down 0.5 degrees. Today is in the 70s. That's not unusual here. Tomorrow will be in the 50s with the cold front coming through. I still see the warming trend as part of a solar cycle... it has happend before and will happen again... and there's not a hell of a lot that we can do except beg Halliburton to turn down the sun with their weather machine. What we can do is look at climate trends, come to conclusions, then make plans and prepare ourselves for the most likely future weather events. YMMV |
Click on the link Gore is a fat pompous libtard ass who is full of shit  url=www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=640956 If you believe his bs, I have a carbon credit I'll sell you 
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