Posted: 10/11/2007 3:59:25 PM EDT
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How Its going to be a big problem with a lack of sanatation and more game being consumed No Junk Science please |
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incredible...i was driving home from work thinking about this. my guess is the same chemicals for deworming dogs might be used, but my common sense says they also may be very dangerous. I think having knowledge of worm prevention is a key piece of the puzzle as well. (cook your meat, don't go barefoot, etc.) edit: also, filtering water as I believe some worm eggs are carried in water and consumed if unfiltered. |
The first time I read this, I thought it said INJECTING.. and I was like... Fuck that!!!! But after reading it again and seeing that it says injesting.. Im still like.. Fuck That!!! (0_o) |
+1 my brother. Not sure, but I'd bet there is reference in "Where there is no doctor" .pdf files here: www.hesperian.org/publications_download_wtnd.php |
Great minds think alike 
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When I was stationed in ROK I went into alot of pharmacies and examined the wares. They sell OTC, a de-worming pill. It's a large pill and it's typically given to children once per year. I confirmed this with two KATUSA that I was buddies with. Apparently de-worming is done in a preventive manner in other countries. I've been told consuming gunpowder will cause round and pin worms to detach from the intestines. I'd stay away from smokeless powder if you try this method. The flash retardants would probably kill a person. ETA: I've also heard of using black walnut husks (green) to make tea. |
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I thought there was a thread on this a while ago. Some of the worms that go around Africa can be contracted just by being in the water source. These worms get under the skin and are hard to get rid of. The pics I saw were bad I mean would make you puke. The sores looked like large blisters but were really large infestations of worms under the skin . The photos of intestinal worms were bad too. Showed a young boy with what looked like a bowl of spaghetti coming out of his ass. You can check it out here...NOT FOR THE SQUEMISH..... Scroll down on the page and click the header of the pics..... |
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The following medications are used both in dogs as well as human beings: Praziquantel Ivermectin Pyrantel pamoate Milbemycin has been used in humans experimentally and appears to have efficacy against certain parasitic/helminthic infections, however, I cannot provide dosing guidance. This is not medical advice and medications should only be consumed on advice of a licensed medical doctor. |
I read the same thing. It was in an SAS training manual. 1-2 tablespoons of petrol or diesel (or K1). Seems nasty, but I guess it beats worms crawling out of your butt. |
We see quite a few dogs every year with liver failure due to ivermectin deworming. Seeing as they are monogastric like us, I would be very hesitant to deworm a person with that. Much of the pyrantel used in veterinary medicine comes from human sources. This goes back to knowing your medicine, its side effects, and possible toxicity. I much prefer to clean your food before you eat, cook it well, and filter/boil your water. Just because the SHTF, doesn't mean YOU have to eat from where you poop. Most parasite problems are not due to the economic conditions so much as the education of the local population. Of course, I am only an old large animal vet, so I am very hesitant to place recomendations as to what to use on people. Could get me in deep trouble. Doc |
I used chew once for a dog, and the tobacco from a cigerette a few times for dogs. Apparently the nicotine messes with the chemestry in the gut enough to mess the worms up. I imagine it'd work for folks too... jim |
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My Fiancees a Pharmasist (doctorate not bachlors of pharmacy) and here is what she recomended Google the following: Vermox tablets Pin-X Reese`s pinworm medicine ivermectin-----is the same active ingredeant as in animal worming medicines but there are human formulations. Alot of animal meds will tell you absolutely not to be taken by humans. But she said taking animal medicine is safer than injesting kerosene. Vermox you will need a perscription, and usually a pharmacy will only have either the Pin-x or Reese but if you ask the pharmasist they will order either one. She also said that she thought with bad sanitation bacteria/virus`s (cholera, e-coli & hepatitis a) would be more of a problem than worms. Cook your food well done and boil water if possible. Also she said dont injest kerosene for any reason. |
My FIL: always used tobacco to worm the horse. We use Ivermectrin. Me? I'm going to try like hell not to get them in the first place. Well over 40 years, and don't have them yet. At least that I'm aware of. |
Ok, you asked so here goes... A few years back when I was a 1st year Med student a very seasoned old school Doc who was teaching our physical exam assessment class told a few of us his secret for ridding the body of parasites. These my friends where his exact words... "Now, listen closely, if you ever come across a patient with a bad case of intestinal parasites the very best and most conservative way to rid the body of them is to do the following:" "Carefully inform your patient that they have parasites. Explain to them that they have to come back in the office for a proceedure for the next five days.." "Have your patient undress, and gown up, and then lay prone over the exam table. Once they are in position, take a banana and two cookies and shove them up your patient's ass." "Have your patient comeback in to the office for the next three days for the same treatment, one medium-sized banana, and two cookies." "On the final day of treatment, insert the banana only, and stand back and wait a few seconds.... When the parasite sticks his head out of your patient's ass and yells, "where is my cookie asshole?" Grab him by the head and yank the little bastard out!" Needless to say I nearly pissed my pants laughing. especially because some of the students where actually writing the proceedure down. Man I miss old Doc Henby. God bless his soul. By the way, he started his medical career in the Army as a Medic. KDX |
Awsome!!! I have whole bunch of those, especially ivermectin 1.87% tubes for my horses. It comes in a tube syrange marked with weight (up to 1500 lbs). You just adjust it to the correct weight and swallow. Comes in apple flavor. $5.00 should treat the whole family. |
| Food grade Diatomacious Earth will get rid of anything in your digestive system. A couple of tablespoons in water for a few days should do the trick from what I have read. Just do not use the pool filter D.E. because it has been heat treated and/or chemically treated so it won't work and may end up hurting you. It is added to flour to keep pests out so you may be able to do the same with flour but I don't know. |
Any studies on this |
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The two methods that stick out most in my memory from my childhood discussions with my family on this was castor oil and starving them out. Castor oil was just drink it and this I remember doing as a child. I remember thinking the premise was drink something that would make you sick and it will kill the worms. I think I would have preferred trying some strong whiskey. Starving them out was a bit more radical and never witnessed it. It involved not eating. Then while asleep, placing a cup of hot milk in front of the patients nose. The idea was starve the worms by taking away their food then offer them a bite to eat. As they emerge from the nose, you kill them with tweasers. I have no idea if this works but do know it was used a lot years back. I doubt it would have any effect on a tapeworm which attaches to your stomach lining but probably would on pin worms (the most common.) Interesting thing I remember is asking how you could tell who had worms and being told if they look pregnant and not then they had worms. Tj |
I have no idea. It is just something I have read on several different webpages while I was researching it for use as a natural form of insect control. From what I have read there has been nothing that shows any adverse effects from using it and people have been using it for 30-40 years. It is a very common practice outside of the United States. If you do a search you will find plenty of information on the stuff and plenty of tests done with zoos and such where they added it to feed and ended up with much fewer or an absense of internal parasites after. |
We use it on our horses BUT use it at HALF the dosage/weight for dogs. ie, we give our 100lb dogs a 50lb dose. Just cause that's how everyone does it.  |
This is also in the Army survival manual. I don't recall the specifics but it referred to eating a quantity of cigarettes to off the nasties. Peppers/tobasco and kerosene are also referenced in this manual. |
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Google black walnut, wormwood and cloves; they've been used for centuries. Here's one example: Curezone This site also has dosages for conventional parasite meds INSERT USUAL DISCLAIMERS HERE |
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Turpentine: Old folks use to use it for internal parasites. A teaspoon of sugar, only slightly saturated with turpentine would fix pin worms. Here is a clip from Wikipedia Medicinal uses Turpentine has been used medically since ancient times. * Applied externally to the affected areas, turpentine is a highly effective treatment for lice. * Turpentine can be mixed with animal fat as a primitive chest rub for nasal and throat ailments. Many modern chest rubs still contain some turpentine (e.g., Vicks). * Internal administration of turpentine is no longer common today, though it was once the preferred means of treating intestinal parasites due to its antiseptic and diuretic properties.[citation needed] * Drinking turpentine is extremely dangerous and can be life threatening. In addition, drinking turpentine is not an effective way to induce an abortion.[2] |
at one time, making an "x" and sucking the poison out of a snake bite wound was also in the army manual....so i don't necessarily allow that manual "Survival" to carry the day. |
Sure is and the tabacco deal too. "Eat two cigarettes" was their recommended dosage. |
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I did a medical volunteer trip to Honduras a few years ago. We gave out Vermox like it was Pez. Virtually everybody got a dose. Upon reflection I wondered why that was protocol, as it seems like intestinal parasites are pretty much the rule there, rather than the exception. Stay Safe, AGreyMan |
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For garlic, the recommendation I read was this: Mix freshly minced garlic with oil (butter or pork grease probably better than vegetable oil). As the patient lie down to sleep, spread the mixture in a circle outside of the patient's anus. When the worms come out to feed on the grease, they will die from the garlic. Repeat for a few days until you don't see anymore worm bodies in the morning. |
Okay! that was nasty as hell! The feeling of something crawling out of my ass would absolutely drive me insane! Ugh! |
| I did a google and came up with this it seems to be herbal and I wouldn't have problem useing it myself. |
http://www.nativeremedies.com/petalive/parasite-dr-internal-parasites-pet.html
Ingesting kerosene, turpentine, and other hydrocarbons -- not a good idea. I'd really have to research the whole eating tobacco thing. I know that nicotine is a potent neurotoxin (read 'nerve poison') and will make you puke up your toenails if eaten. |