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8/17/2007 7:16:00 AM EDT
Well, I'm scheduled to take a trip to Houston next Mon-Wed.  Fly down Mon afternoon, fly back Wed evening.

If it were you, would you go?

8/17/2007 7:31:14 AM EDT
[#1]
I'm supposed to go to Cozumel, Grand Cayman and Ocho Rios on my Honeymoon leaving 9/2 but that isnt looking like a sure thing now.  The ports may be too messed up.  Oh well, I like the Eastern Caribbean too!
8/17/2007 7:40:10 AM EDT
[#2]
Heh.  I'll be there at the same time. Just keep watching the weather; if it looks like it is bearing down, consider flying out early.
8/17/2007 7:45:18 AM EDT
[#3]
hell yes i would go, just a small 'cane. and who cares its just wind and rain...
8/17/2007 7:52:48 AM EDT
[#4]
Hells yeah I'd go! If you do end up in the 'cane though, watch out for Lootie.
8/17/2007 8:00:23 AM EDT
[#5]
The models have been shifting further and further north over the last few days.  Evryone from Brownsville to Cape San Blas needs to keep an eye on this one.  They're forcasting a CAT 4+ storm when it makes landfall in the US.
8/17/2007 8:05:08 AM EDT
[#6]
HURRICANE DEAN DISCUSSION NUMBER 17
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL042007
1100 AM EDT FRI AUG 17 2007

THE CENTER OF DEAN CROSSED THE LESSER ANTILLES THIS MORNING BETWEEN
ST. LUCIA AND MARTINIQUE AS INDICATED BY THE MARTINIQUE RADAR. AT
0842 UTC...THE METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE OF MARTINIQUE REPORTED
SUSTAINED WINDS OF 66 KNOTS WITH GUSTS TO 90 KNOTS. AN AIR FORCE
PLANE REACHED THE HURRICANE AND MEASURED A MINIMUM PRESSURE OF 964
MB...FLIGHT LEVEL WINDS OF 100 KNOTS AND A CLOSED EYEWALL. THE
CLOUD PATTERN HAS BECOME BETTER ORGANIZED SINCE YESTERDAY WITH
PLENTY OF BANDING FEATURES AND OUTFLOW IN ALL QUADRANTS. LATEST
VISIBLE IMAGE SHOWS AN EYE FEATURE. BOTH SATELLITE PRESENTATION
AND DATA FROM THE SFMR ON THE PLANE SUPPORT AN INITIAL INTENSITY OF
90 KNOTS. THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST CALLS FOR STRENGTHENING
SINCE GUIDANCE SUGGESTS THAT THE SHEAR WILL BE LOW ACROSS THE
CARIBBEAN. DEAN COULD BECOME A VERY DANGEROUS HURRICANE WHEN IT
REACHES THE WESTERN CARIBBEAN WHERE THE OCEAN HEAT CONTENT IS THE
HIGHEST. IN FACT THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS A CONSENSUS OF
SHIPS...GFDL AND HWRF MODELS.

THE MOTION OF DEAN...280/18...CONTINUES TO BE CONTROLLED BY A STRONG
RIDGE TO THE NORTH. A MID- TO UPPER-LEVEL LOW OVER THE WESTERN
BAHAMAS IS EXPECTED TO RUN WESTWARD AHEAD OF THE HURRICANE AND THE
ONLY POSSIBLE INFLUENCE ON THE TRACK OF THE HURRICANE IS TO ADD A
SMALL WEST-NORTHWESTWARD COMPONENT IN THE LATER PERIODS. THE
OFFICIAL FORECAST FOLLOWS THE MIDDLE OF THE GUIDANCE ENVELOPE WITH A
SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT TO THE NORTH DUE TO THE GFDL AND UKMET MODELS.
THE GFDL SOLUTION INSISTS ON A MORE WEST-NORTHWEST TRACK THROUGH THE
YUCATAN CHANNEL...BRINGING DEAN INTO THE NORTHWEST GULF OF MEXICO
AS A STRONGER HURRICANE THAN INDICATED IN THE OFFICIAL FORECAST. IT
SHOULD BE NOTED THAT GUIDANCE FOR DAY 4 AND 5 IS MORE UNCERTAIN
TODAY THAN YESTERDAY.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 17/1500Z 14.6N 62.6W 90 KT
12HR VT 18/0000Z 15.0N 65.5W 100 KT
24HR VT 18/1200Z 15.8N 69.0W 105 KT
36HR VT 19/0000Z 16.7N 72.3W 110 KT
48HR VT 19/1200Z 17.5N 75.5W 120 KT
72HR VT 20/1200Z 19.5N 82.0W 130 KT
96HR VT 21/1200Z 21.5N 88.0W 100 KT...INLAND
120HR VT 22/1200Z 24.0N 94.0W 105 KT

$$
FORECASTER AVILA





Forcast models.

GFS

NOGAPS

GFDL

8/17/2007 8:49:56 AM EDT
[#7]
Yeah, but the GFDL is the outlier model. The other models are in general consensus that the storm will continue W and then to the NNW and cross the Yucatan. Of course as mentioned, the forcast is only reliable for the next couple of days. The direction is more uncertain now that before after that.

I think if I lived around Corpus Christi/South Pedro Island/Brownsville Texas, I'd be in full prep mode right now.
8/17/2007 9:09:54 AM EDT
[#8]
My model says only a problem if it pass North of the Yucatan.
8/17/2007 9:14:07 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
I think if I lived around Corpus Christi/South Pedro Island/Brownsville Texas, I'd be in full prep mode right now.

Obviously you haven't read this thread. Nobody in TX seems to be worried about it.
8/17/2007 9:28:03 AM EDT
[#10]
I live a 1/2 mile off of corpus christi bay and I'm on standby for plan GTFO.

ETA: Houstons flooded out pretty good so doing buisness down there will suck!!
8/17/2007 9:52:38 AM EDT
[#11]
Funny thing I live in Corpus Christi and had a girlfriend that runs a SpeedShop in San Antonio call me and ask if we were okay. Seems she had been watching the news of how Corpus was wiped out due to the flood. When I told her we had less then a 1/2 inch she was in disbelief. I asked her if she had here rubber raft ready as the rain was headed her way. The local San Antonio media did not bother to mention the TS was headed their way.
8/17/2007 11:57:07 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I think if I lived around Corpus Christi/South Pedro Island/Brownsville Texas, I'd be in full prep mode right now.

Obviously you haven't read this thread. Nobody in TX seems to be worried about it.


Well, I can understand their underwhelming response to the media hype. We've experienced it here too, with all the "severe weather experts" in their near apoplectic frenzies screaming about the impending doom...from a tropical storm...

I'm sure that a cat 3-4 hurricane will get the attention of those Texas boys. They can afford to be cavalier about a tropical storm, but they ain't stupid...
8/17/2007 12:18:48 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I think if I lived around Corpus Christi/South Pedro Island/Brownsville Texas, I'd be in full prep mode right now.

Obviously you haven't read this thread. Nobody in TX seems to be worried about it.


Well, I can understand their underwhelming response to the media hype. We've experienced it here too, with all the "severe weather experts" in their near apoplectic frenzies screaming about the impending doom...from a tropical storm...

I'm sure that a cat 3-4 hurricane will get the attention of those Texas boys. They can afford to be cavalier about a tropical storm, but they ain't stupid...



Don't worry, there are a good number of people down here taking note, since Rita kicked our butts, but it still amazes me.  One of my clients noticed my genny and gas cans in the back of my truck......."dang Doc, what ya need all that stuff for, it ain't comin' here"

OOOOKKKKK, whatever.

And whoever asked if we WANT this to happen, yeah right, you just come down here and live through one of these, and I am not talking hurricane party, get drunk, then fly home, I am talking LIVE THROUGH for the year following.   NO I don't enjoy it.

Doc
8/17/2007 12:24:57 PM EDT
[#14]
Dean is now a major hurricane.  Top off your gas supplies now before the prices start to go up.

HURRICANE DEAN SPECIAL ADVISORY NUMBER  18
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL   AL042007
145 PM AST FRI AUG 17 2007

...DEAN STRENGTHENS TO A MAJOR HURRICANE WITH 125 MPH WINDS...

A HURRICANE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR MARTINIQUE...DOMINICA...
AND GUADELOUPE AND ITS DEPENDENCIES.  THE WARNING WILL LIKELY BE
DISCONTINUED LATER TODAY.

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE U.S. VIRGIN
ISLANDS AND PUERTO RICO.  A TROPICAL STORM WARNING ALSO REMAINS IN
EFFECT FOR THE FOLLOWING ISLANDS OF THE LESSER ANTILLES...SABA...ST.
EUSTATIUS...MONTSERRAT...ANTIGUA...NEVIS...ST KITTS...BARBUDA...ST.
MAARTEN...AND ANGUILLA AND THE BRITISH VIRGIN ISLANDS.

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR ST. LUCIA.

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT ALONG THE SOUTH COAST OF
THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC FROM CABO ENGANO TO THE HAITI/DOMINICAN
REPUBLIC BORDER.  A HURRICANE WATCH ALSO REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM CABO
BEATA TO THE HAITI/DOMINICAN REPUBLIC BORDER.

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING AND A HURRICANE WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR
HAITI FROM THE HAITI/DOMINICAN REPUBLIC BORDER TO PORT-AU-PRINCE.

A HURRICANE WATCH MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE
WITHIN THE WATCH AREA...GENERALLY WITHIN 36 HOURS.

INTERESTS ELSEWHERE IN THE CENTRAL AND WESTERN CARIBBEAN...INCLUDING
JAMAICA AND THE CAYMAN ISLANDS...SHOULD CLOSELY MONITOR THE PROGRESS
OF DEAN.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE MONITOR
PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE
INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED
BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

AT 145 PM AST...1745Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE DEAN WAS LOCATED
NEAR LATITUDE 14.8 NORTH...LONGITUDE 63.6 WEST OR ABOUT 175 MILES...
280 KM...WEST OF MARTINIQUE AND ABOUT 300 MILES...480 KM...SOUTHEAST
OF SAN JUAN PUERTO RICO.

DEAN IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 22 MPH...35 KM/HR...AND THIS
MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE.  ON THIS TRACK...DEAN WILL MOVE
ACROSS THE EASTERN CARIBBEAN SEA TODAY.

SATELLITE IMAGES AND DATA FROM AN AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE PLANE
INDICATE THAT DEAN HAS STRENGTHENED.  THE MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS
ARE NOW 125 MPH...205 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS.  DEAN IS A MAJOR
CATEGORY THREE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE SCALE.
ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 25 MILES...35 KM...FROM
THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 185
MILES...295 KM.  BANDS OF HEAVY SQUALLS ARE STILL AFFECTING PORTIONS
OF THE LESSER ANTILLES AND ARE APPROACHING PUERTO RICO AND THE U.S.
AND BRITISH VIRGIN ISLANDS.

LATEST ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE BY A RECONNAISSANCE
AIRCRAFT WAS 961 MB...28.38 INCHES.

STORM TOTAL AMOUNTS OF 1 TO 2 INCHES CAN BE EXPECTED FROM DEAN OVER
PUERTO RICO AND THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC...WITH MAXIMUM AMOUNTS UP TO
5 INCHES.  ADDITIONAL RAINFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF 1 TO 2 INCHES ARE
EXPECTED IN THE LESSER ANTILLES...WITH ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF
10 INCHES IN MOUNTAINOUS AREAS.  THESE RAINS COULD CAUSE LIFE-
THREATENING FLASH FLOODS AND MUDSLIDES.

REPEATING THE 145 PM AST POSITION...14.8 N...63.6 W.  MOVEMENT
TOWARD...WEST NEAR 22 MPH.  MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...125 MPH.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...961 MB.

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER AT
500 PM AST.

$$
FORECASTER AVILA/MAINELLI


8/17/2007 12:41:01 PM EDT
[#15]
8/17/2007 2:30:16 PM EDT
[#16]
Look for Dean to be a CAT 4 tomorrow.  There is a nice tight eyewall forming up and excellent outflow.  Scary.  




HURRICANE DEAN DISCUSSION NUMBER  19
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL   AL042007
500 PM EDT FRI AUG 17 2007

DATA FROM THE AIR FORCE HURRICANE HUNTER PLANE EARLIER TODAY
INDICATED THAT DEAN REACHED 110 KNOTS.  NEXT PLANE IS EXPECTED TO
REACH DEAN AROUND 00 UTC TONIGHT. SATELLITE IMAGES CONTINUE TO SHOW
AN EYE FEATURE...NUMEROUS CYCLONICALLY CURVED CONVECTIVE BANDS
WHICH ARE STILL AFFECTING A LARGE PORTION OF THE LESSER ANTILLES.
THE  OUTFLOW IS WELL ESTABLISHED IN ALL QUADRANTS. ALTHOUGH THE
POSSIBILITY OF SOME FLUCTUATIONS IN INTENSITY DUE TO EYEWALL
REPLACEMENT CYCLES COULD OCCUR AT ANY TIME...THE SHEAR IS FORECAST
TO REMAIN LOW AND THE OCEAN TEMPERATURE INCREASES WESTWARD. THIS
WOULD CALL FOR AN OVERALL UPWARD INTENSITY TREND. THIS IS
SUPPORTED BY THE SHIPS....GFDL AND HWRF INTENSITY GUIDANCE.

DEAN IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST OR 280 DEGREES AT 18 KNOTS. THE
STEERING PATTERN CONTINUES TO BE CONTROLLED BY THE HIGH PRESSURE
SYSTEM TO THE NORTH OF THE HURRICANE AND THE MID TO UPPER-LEVEL LOW
OVER THE SOUTHWESTERN ATLANTIC AND FLORIDA. THIS LOW IS FORECAST
TO WEAKEN AND MOVE WESTWARD AND BE REPLACED BY A RIDGE. THIS
PATTERN WOULD MAINTAIN DEAN OVER THE CARIBBEAN ON A GENERAL
WESTWARD TRACK ACROSS NORTHERN YUCATAN AND THE WESTERN GULF OF
MEXICO. THE GFDL SHOWS A MORE NORTHWESTERLY TRACK ACROSS EXTREME
WESTERN CUBA AND THE CENTRAL GULF OF MEXICO. WHILE THIS SOLUTION IS
OUTSIDE THE OVERALL MODEL GUIDANCE ENVELOPE...IT CAN NOT BE RULE
OUT COMPLETELY SINCE THIS MODEL HAS AN EXCELLENT FORECAST TRACK
HISTORY.   THE OFFICIAL TRACK FORECAST IS AN UPDATE OF THE PREVIOUS
ONE AND FOLLOWS THE MODEL CONSENSUS.


THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT DEAN IS EXPECTED TO BE A DANGEROUS HURRICANE
THROUGH THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS...AND ALL INTERESTS IN THE CARIBBEAN
SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO SHOULD CLOSELY MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF
DEAN.

 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL      17/2100Z 15.0N  64.5W   110 KT
12HR VT     18/0600Z 15.5N  67.4W   115 KT
24HR VT     18/1800Z 16.4N  70.8W   120 KT
36HR VT     19/0600Z 17.3N  74.0W   125 KT
48HR VT     19/1800Z 18.0N  77.0W   130 KT
72HR VT     20/1800Z 20.0N  84.0W   130 KT
96HR VT     21/1800Z 22.0N  90.0W   100 KT...INLAND
120HR VT     22/1800Z 24.5N  96.0W   105 KT

$$
FORECASTER AVILA
8/18/2007 6:09:49 AM EDT
[#17]
bump.  can we sticky this?
thanks
hk
8/18/2007 8:02:06 AM EDT
[#18]
IT seems to have a relatively small destructive wind footprint now, but that can change. When the eye shrinks down, the winds around the eye increase, as did with Wilma, which was the most powerful hurricane in recorded history, and that was just before it whacked Mexico.

You will get a taste of what a mega-cane can do when it hits Jamaica tomorrow. It won't be pretty. The only thing that they will see as positive is that it is moving fast. If it only clips the Yucatan, it could very well retain more integrity and that is not nice for the Gulf Coast. If it plots out, the SW part of the Texas Gulf Coast will be exposed to the leading quadrant. This means a further out-reach of high winds, tornadic activity, lots of rain and a high potential for surge phenomenon. If I were anywhere near the coast, I would be matching tide tables with the projected arrival times no matter what shape Dean is in when it arrives. The higher winds will add to the surge, so it could get very ugly.

The current high saturation of the ground also means that there will major problems with water run-off, i.e., flooding, and the potential loss of trees and structures already weakened by the water and TS winds. We saw in FL 2004 that when big Frances, moving slow with lots of rain in its huge weather system, moved through, it left a lot of weakened territory. Jeanne, which was relatively weaker, didn't need much help to do damage. I think that being loosened up by Erin will leave a devil's playground for Dean.

Evacuation may not be a bad idea, especially for coastal residents if Dean is Cat-3 or higher when it comes in.

If you aren't prepared now, secure your possessions as best as you can, pack your valuables and take that vacation you have been promising yourself. I would not fly, because you might not have a nice car to come back to.

If you are going to evacuate, make arrangements, i.e., reservations or early warning to relatives/friends, now and get the hell out Mon. evening or  Tues. morning at the latest. You will have the 3-day forecast and they have usually been very accurate with current technology. You don't want to get caught up in traffic like the Houston debacle in 2005, you really don't.

For those in harms way, good luck and God bless.

F
8/18/2007 10:53:00 AM EDT
[#19]
Thankfully the model runs have continued to shift to the south.  Dean is going to be one for the record books.  Prayers for everyone in his path.

8/18/2007 11:21:19 AM EDT
[#20]
A big weather system ... still, the worst of it doesn't stretch out much past 60 miles in the NE and NW quadrants and, as usual, less in the other sections. There is going to be some very heavy flooding damage.

I google-earthed Kingston. They are going to get shellacked. The causeway that leads out to the airport and Port Royal isn't very highly elevated. The high tide on Sunday will be at 04:49 PM, which is about the time Dean will be coming in. While the city has some elevation, there is a lot built up all around Kingston Harbor and the surrounding, bay areas on low-elevation land.

While I pray that these people would be spared a harsh hurricane, I would be very unrealistic to expect anything less than a disaster. The only thing that they will probably be spared is large amounts of rain, as it will move through relatively fast.

They have hills there you can head for, but more elevated buildings will face higher wind speeds.

F