Posted: 12/17/2015 10:29:00 PM EDT
| Ice been doing a lot more bench shooting lately with my AR's and have always equipped them with geissele sd3g triggers. These triggers are not made for bench shooting. What's the best trigger for a precision AR? Thanks |
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Lot's of good triggers available these days, what's your budget? The MBT's are great and priced decently at $199. You missed them when they had the $125 sale a few weeks back. I hear lots of good reviews on the Wilson drop in triggers, both single and two stage. The Geissele SSA-E is pretty good. Their adjustable Hi-Speed is excellent. If your on a budget, RRA 2 stage Varmint 3.5lb trigger can be purchased for $79 from Legal Transfers. These vary in consistency a little. Some are just OK, and others will feel as good as an SSA-E. |
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Ice been doing a lot more bench shooting lately with my AR's and have always equipped them with geissele sd3g triggers. These triggers are not made for bench shooting. What's the best trigger for a precision AR? Thanks My go to trigger is the SSA-e. It does just about everything well. Very light for bench/precision stuff, and easy to slap fast. (Not sure what kind of splits you're pulling with the sd3g but Ive gotten .11-.12 splits with the ssa-e). The mbt is growing on me for bench/precision though. It's a great trigger and holds its own the the geisselles. The flat face is just a little different. |
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Quoted: I picked up a cmc 3.5lb single stage at the lgs today. I ran about 100 rounds with it and so far so good. The trigger is crisp with little travel. The trigger actually feels really close to the sd3g but without the Double fires.  From milking the trigger, or malfunction? |
| I don't think its a malfunction. If I don't have the stock very tight into my shoulder the gun will fire two rounds. I have this happen on two separate lowers but it only occurs when I'm on a bench. I was thinking it was just kinda like a slide fire effect. Not really sure but the new trigger hasn't done it yet. |
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Lot's of good triggers available these days, what's your budget? The MBT's are great and priced decently at $199. You missed them when they had the $125 sale a few weeks back. I hear lots of good reviews on the Wilson drop in triggers, both single and two stage. The Geissele SSA-E is pretty good. Their adjustable Hi-Speed is excellent. If your on a budget, RRA 2 stage Varmint 3.5lb trigger can be purchased for $79 from Legal Transfers. These vary in consistency a little. Some are just OK, and others will feel as good as an SSA-E. I scoured EE for an MBT but out of the nearly 7,000 we've made and sold, there's not a one for sale. |
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I thought I'd get stupid and try an expensive Elftmann 3 gun trigger after my buddy bought a Black Rain and a Tac-Con. It ended up being the most amazing trigger I've ever pulled. It is comparable to a nicely ruined 1911 trigger at around 2 1/2 lbs. There is absolutely zero take up or creep, and it only travels about an eighth inch. Now I want one in my AR308 but that price was hard to swallow. I also want one in my go fast AR15 too, so I end up swapping lowers occasionally. Not that the CMC trigger in it is bad, but the Elf trigger blows it out of the water.
http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/elf-3-gun-trigger/ |
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Quoted: I thought I'd get stupid and try an expensive Elftmann 3 gun trigger after my buddy bought a Black Rain and a Tac-Con. It ended up being the most amazing trigger I've ever pulled. It is comparable to a nicely ruined 1911 trigger at around 2 1/2 lbs. There is absolutely zero take up or creep, and it only travels about an eighth inch. Now I want one in my AR308 but that price was hard to swallow. I also want one in my go fast AR15 too, so I end up swapping lowers occasionally. Not that the CMC trigger in it is bad, but the Elf trigger blows it out of the water. http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/elf-3-gun-trigger/ An eighth of an inch is a lot of movement for a trigger. I like mine closer to 1/16th. FWIW, an eighth is .125", nominal reset on a SD3G is .06", my measured reset was .077". I've measured a Hypertouch EDT at .08" reset and the BRO-DIT in the .044 range. Those are reset lengths - not total movement, but generally reset is very close to total movement on a good single stage. ETA: This isn't to say the Elftmann is a bad trigger, it may only move 1/16th. |
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An eighth of an inch is a lot of movement for a trigger. I like mine closer to 1/16th. FWIW, an eighth is .125", nominal reset on a SD3G is .06", my measured reset was .077". I've measured a Hypertouch EDT at .08" reset and the BRO-DIT in the .044 range. Those are reset lengths - not total movement, but generally reset is very close to total movement on a good single stage. ETA: This isn't to say the Elftmann is a bad trigger, it may only move 1/16th. Quoted:
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I thought I'd get stupid and try an expensive Elftmann 3 gun trigger after my buddy bought a Black Rain and a Tac-Con. It ended up being the most amazing trigger I've ever pulled. It is comparable to a nicely ruined 1911 trigger at around 2 1/2 lbs. There is absolutely zero take up or creep, and it only travels about an eighth inch. Now I want one in my AR308 but that price was hard to swallow. I also want one in my go fast AR15 too, so I end up swapping lowers occasionally. Not that the CMC trigger in it is bad, but the Elf trigger blows it out of the water. http://www.elftmanntactical.com/store/product/elf-3-gun-trigger/ An eighth of an inch is a lot of movement for a trigger. I like mine closer to 1/16th. FWIW, an eighth is .125", nominal reset on a SD3G is .06", my measured reset was .077". I've measured a Hypertouch EDT at .08" reset and the BRO-DIT in the .044 range. Those are reset lengths - not total movement, but generally reset is very close to total movement on a good single stage. ETA: This isn't to say the Elftmann is a bad trigger, it may only move 1/16th. Okay you got me curious, so I tried my best to measure it. At the very bottom of the trigger shoe I attempted to push the trigger with the depth gauge on the back of the calipers. The average was around .070". Then I moved up to the center of the trigger and opened it up around the grip, zeroed it, and closed it to pull the trigger. The average of that was about .040". It appears my 1/8" guestimate wasn't very close at all. 
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| I run the national match in my rifle. It is crazy light and reliable. I was either having a good day shooting or the trigger made the difference, but in the last match and first match running the trigger, I scored the best score in all of the matches I have been to. |
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i'm not aware of anything that would beat the geissele NM
however, my partner and i won the mammoth sniper challenge with the SD3G in our 'secondary' rifle. Secondary targets were out to 500 yards i think. The only points we missed with the secondary were 1 target at literally arms length from the muzzle and another that was a head/chest flapper that wasn't working correctly, so definitely not the triggers' fault. SD3G wouldn't be my first choice for a precision rifle, but it's really not that bad. i wasn't aware larue made triggers. I'll have to try one of those sometime. are they single or 2 stage? adjustable? |
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Quoted: i'm not aware of anything that would beat the geissele NM however, my partner and i won the mammoth sniper challenge with the SD3G in our 'secondary' rifle. Secondary targets were out to 500 yards i think. The only points we missed with the secondary were 1 target at literally arms length from the muzzle and another that was a head/chest flapper that wasn't working correctly, so definitely not the triggers' fault. SD3G wouldn't be my first choice for a precision rifle, but it's really not that bad. i wasn't aware larue made triggers. I'll have to try one of those sometime. are they single or 2 stage? adjustable? |
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Quoted: I guess I'll try the geissele national match. I had another double fire today with the cmc. Good choice. It's really the only precision/bench capable trigger there is when it's adjusted as light as possible. I wish it would go way lighter. The SSA-E is way too heavy for serious accuracy work. |
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YXgZNnrh9gc 
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Slowly apply pressure on this link until it goes off ... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YXgZNnrh9gc While this 2 stage trigger would definitely be an upgrade over any stock trigger and/or a nicer single stage as well as a great price to get into a nice 2 stage trigger, if the OP is wanting to get into actual benchrest shooting, then the high speed series of triggers (national match or dmr) is so far a head of the 2s mbt it's not even comparable. Again, not saying your 2s mbt trigger is "bad" but it's not really ment for benchrest. 3 gun or a "better" target rifle, sure. Specially for $125. Just not BR. |
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Quoted: While this 2 stage trigger would definitely be an upgrade over any stock trigger and/or a nicer single stage as well as a great price to get into a nice 2 stage trigger, if the OP is wanting to get into actual benchrest shooting, then the high speed series of triggers (national match or dmr) is so far a head of the 2s mbt it's not even comparable. Again, not saying your 2s mbt trigger is "bad" but it's not really ment for benchrest. 3 gun or a "better" target rifle, sure. Specially for $125. Just not BR. Quoted: Quoted: Slowly apply pressure on this link until it goes off ... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YXgZNnrh9gc While this 2 stage trigger would definitely be an upgrade over any stock trigger and/or a nicer single stage as well as a great price to get into a nice 2 stage trigger, if the OP is wanting to get into actual benchrest shooting, then the high speed series of triggers (national match or dmr) is so far a head of the 2s mbt it's not even comparable. Again, not saying your 2s mbt trigger is "bad" but it's not really ment for benchrest. 3 gun or a "better" target rifle, sure. Specially for $125. Just not BR. |
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Slowly apply pressure on this link until it goes off ... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YXgZNnrh9gc While this 2 stage trigger would definitely be an upgrade over any stock trigger and/or a nicer single stage as well as a great price to get into a nice 2 stage trigger, if the OP is wanting to get into actual benchrest shooting, then the high speed series of triggers (national match or dmr) is so far a head of the 2s mbt it's not even comparable. Again, not saying your 2s mbt trigger is "bad" but it's not really ment for benchrest. 3 gun or a "better" target rifle, sure. Specially for $125. Just not BR. with the LaRue 2S, no. I have an SSA-E on my 18" 223 AR and its "close" to the same specs (technically better since less pull weight). A shooting buddy does has the "cheaper" Geissele 2 stage trigger, i want to say its a 2GS or something along those lines on a reg no frills 16" 223 ar. For what the 18" ar was built for, the SSA-E is great. imo its more of a "combat" 2 stage. On that same line i would say the 2GS is the same thing. Both are great triggers but comparing the HSNM vs the SSA-E, the SSA-E is no where close, specially for a bench gun. Can you USE a SSA-E, or the 2s mbt, for that... yes. is it a HUGE improvement over a stock mil-spec or single stage trigger, oh heavens yes. Are they anywhere close to a HSNM... no. Im not knocking the Larue trigger. For the price, thats a GREAT price for a, what i am sure is, great trigger. But Everyone has their preferences and some like a company just because. but to suggest a 4-4.5 lb 2 stage trigger is "better" than a 1.8 lb (specially the .3-.9 lb 2nd stage) trigger for a bench gun is just ridiculous and unfair to the OP. If the OP asked whats a good trigger for under $175 thats a 2 stage for his bench gun, then sure, through the 2s mbt trigger in the mix. |
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While this 2 stage trigger would definitely be an upgrade over any stock trigger and/or a nicer single stage as well as a great price to get into a nice 2 stage trigger, if the OP is wanting to get into actual benchrest shooting, then the high speed series of triggers (national match or dmr) is so far a head of the 2s mbt it's not even comparable. Again, not saying your 2s mbt trigger is "bad" but it's not really ment for benchrest. 3 gun or a "better" target rifle, sure. Specially for $125. Just not BR. Quoted:
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Slowly apply pressure on this link until it goes off ... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YXgZNnrh9gc While this 2 stage trigger would definitely be an upgrade over any stock trigger and/or a nicer single stage as well as a great price to get into a nice 2 stage trigger, if the OP is wanting to get into actual benchrest shooting, then the high speed series of triggers (national match or dmr) is so far a head of the 2s mbt it's not even comparable. Again, not saying your 2s mbt trigger is "bad" but it's not really ment for benchrest. 3 gun or a "better" target rifle, sure. Specially for $125. Just not BR. Go spend 125 on one and then come back and post. |
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Mark, have y'all tested the lock time on these? Can you verify the spring you use is as strong or stronger than a mil spec spring? Full-power, iirc the MBT has right at same lock time as the SSA. We know a thing or two about triggers. 
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Thanks. Any plans for an adjustable to directly compete with the high speed line? Something with a second stage around 8oz and a lock time in 4ms or under. Apparently not needed as Mark has shown the 2s is obviously light years above the hsnm so no needed. All hail the 2s trigger in all its glory 
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Apparently not needed as Mark has shown the 2s is obviously light years above the hsnm so no needed. All hail the 2s trigger in all its glory Quoted:
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Thanks. Any plans for an adjustable to directly compete with the high speed line? Something with a second stage around 8oz and a lock time in 4ms or under. Apparently not needed as Mark has shown the 2s is obviously light years above the hsnm so no needed. All hail the 2s trigger in all its glory Do you post your opinion often about things you've never touched ? |
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Thanks. Any plans for an adjustable to directly compete with the high speed line? Something with a second stage around 8oz and a lock time in 4ms or under. Apparently not needed as Mark has shown the 2s is obviously light years above the hsnm so no needed. All hail the 2s trigger in all its glory Do you post your opinion often about things you've never touched ? Try not to. But I did mess with your rifles at shot, as well as many others as I usually do at shot, and of course geissele, timney, etc dedicated trigger companies. . And while yours is nice, I will still stick with MY OPINION that the HSNM is still the better trigger for precision shooting. As well as every other person when there is a "what trigger for precision " thread will always say HSNM. But like I have also said, for the next type/style, it is definitely a good competition for the ssa and other drop in triggers. |
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Quoted: Double fires ? Quoted: Quoted: I picked up a cmc 3.5lb single stage at the lgs today. I ran about 100 rounds with it and so far so good. The trigger is crisp with little travel. The trigger actually feels really close to the sd3g but without the Double fires. Double fires ? |
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for an inexpensive 2-stage, i really like the armalite (both the tact and the NM), they also dont have the rep for wearing out like the RRA RRA NM triggers are newbie low-end junk. Get rid of 'em. For serious precision work on the AR-platform, the SSA or SSA-E are my preferences. Still not sure about the LT MBT2S. LT needs to get a consistent price fixed on those. 
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| I like the MBT. Nice wide trigger shoe. Defined 2nd stage - more than my Geiselle HS NM. I don't know how or have the means to measure lock time but I like the overall feel of the MBT. The G trigger resides in my service rifle as that's what I've been shooting for several years. |
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Quoted: RRA NM triggers are newbie low-end junk. Get rid of 'em. For serious precision work on the AR-platform, the SSA or SSA-E are my preferences. Still not sure about the LT MBT2S. LT needs to get a consistent price fixed on those. Quoted: Quoted: for an inexpensive 2-stage, i really like the armalite (both the tact and the NM), they also dont have the rep for wearing out like the RRA RRA NM triggers are newbie low-end junk. Get rid of 'em. For serious precision work on the AR-platform, the SSA or SSA-E are my preferences. Still not sure about the LT MBT2S. LT needs to get a consistent price fixed on those. |
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<snip>. Still not sure about the LT MBT2S. LT needs to get a consistent price fixed on those.
I've price-fixed our bayonets against all the trigger sales that keep bustin' out. No fooling though, you won't see them for less than they are right now and I yelled down to Scotty in engineering ... We - Need - Moar - Power !! |
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Try not to. But I did mess with your rifles at shot, as well as many others as I usually do at shot, and of course geissele, timney, etc dedicated trigger companies. . And while yours is nice, I will still stick with MY OPINION that the HSNM is still the better trigger for precision shooting. As well as every other person when there is a "what trigger for precision " thread will always say HSNM. But like I have also said, for the next type/style, it is definitely a good competition for the ssa and other drop in triggers. Quoted:
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Thanks. Any plans for an adjustable to directly compete with the high speed line? Something with a second stage around 8oz and a lock time in 4ms or under. Apparently not needed as Mark has shown the 2s is obviously light years above the hsnm so no needed. All hail the 2s trigger in all its glory Do you post your opinion often about things you've never touched ? Try not to. But I did mess with your rifles at shot, as well as many others as I usually do at shot, and of course geissele, timney, etc dedicated trigger companies. . And while yours is nice, I will still stick with MY OPINION that the HSNM is still the better trigger for precision shooting. As well as every other person when there is a "what trigger for precision " thread will always say HSNM. But like I have also said, for the next type/style, it is definitely a good competition for the ssa and other drop in triggers. There's a lot of precision shooting at high value targets still going on in the back forty of Osama Land ... if only our guys would get it through their thick heads that they need themselves a 2 oz. hair trigger. 
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