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Link Posted: 10/21/2020 6:57:49 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/21/2020 8:06:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
I would stay under mag length and find a load there so you don’t have to go through messing with it next year.
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Ok. Ill start my length at 2.860" and reduce by .020 as needed, and see what happens.
Link Posted: 10/22/2020 1:29:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: esa17] [#3]
I found my seating depth for my 110 Elite Precision.

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140g ELDm
Hornady brass (3x fired)
41.5 H4350
F210 LRP
2.20 CBTO
Avg. 2757
Hi 2778
Low 2738
Sd 8
ES 33

Group avg: .51MOA

38 shot sample.
Link Posted: 10/22/2020 7:36:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By esa17:
I found my seating depth for my 110 Elite Precision.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232306/83956193-540D-4A85-8642-E79FB730B2BF_jpe-1647760.JPG

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232306/D531532C-2E64-4209-8FE0-42A276069A11_jpe-1647761.JPG

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232306/40A05D5D-F770-46A1-AFB7-024DBACA9CAF_jpe-1647762.JPG

140g ELDm
Hornady brass (3x fired)
41.5 H4350
F210 LRP
2.20 CBTO
Avg. 2757
Hi 2778
Low 2738
Sd 8
ES 33

Group avg: .51MOA

38 shot sample.
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Nice.
Link Posted: 10/22/2020 1:00:43 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/22/2020 2:36:08 PM EDT
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Any youtube or thorough guide for the forester ultra micrometer seating die? Found a view videos, but none in depth, just a quick overview.

Trying to get the hang of the stem and the dial. Not clicking well.
Link Posted: 10/22/2020 3:26:19 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/22/2020 4:55:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
Nothing really to them. I use the whole body screwing into press to get near where I want to be then the dial to tune it in to the proper oal. Nothing more than that.
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I understand the screw portion is just turning then tighten down the nut.

Its the fine tuning that isn't working, or I'm goofing it up. When I turn it, it doesn't adjust the seating what so ever.  Is there a trick with the nut maybe?
Link Posted: 10/22/2020 6:20:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:


I understand the screw portion is just turning then tighten down the nut.

Its the fine tuning that isn't working, or I'm goofing it up. When I turn it, it doesn't adjust the seating what so ever.  Is there a trick with the nut maybe?
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Load up 10 rounds without primers and powder. Keep experimenting with those 10 cases until you learn how to set it all up. Measure CBTO and not OAL.
Link Posted: 10/22/2020 6:44:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By esa17:



Load up 10 rounds without primers and powder. Keep experimenting with those 10 cases until you learn how to set it all up. Measure CBTO and not OAL.
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Originally Posted By esa17:
Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:


I understand the screw portion is just turning then tighten down the nut.

Its the fine tuning that isn't working, or I'm goofing it up. When I turn it, it doesn't adjust the seating what so ever.  Is there a trick with the nut maybe?



Load up 10 rounds without primers and powder. Keep experimenting with those 10 cases until you learn how to set it all up. Measure CBTO and not OAL.


OK, how does proper length for a magazine and CBTO intertwine?
Link Posted: 10/22/2020 6:46:55 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/22/2020 6:48:32 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/22/2020 9:06:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rob01:


Is it screwed all the way in or out? There is a seater stem in it correct?
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:


I understand the screw portion is just turning then tighten down the nut.

Its the fine tuning that isn't working, or I'm goofing it up. When I turn it, it doesn't adjust the seating what so ever.  Is there a trick with the nut maybe?


Is it screwed all the way in or out? There is a seater stem in it correct?


Yea, the seater stem with the nut around it to tighten.

I get the length I want and tighten the nut down so the stem doesn't move, but when I adjust the microseater it doesn't do any adjustments. That's where I am a bit lost.
Link Posted: 10/23/2020 12:12:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VooDoo3dfx] [#14]







Some observations.

1) No pressure signs at 42.5.  My goal was to go into the 2700s, I am going to run the SD and ES calculations later and see what I come up with.

2) The groupings were fairly consistent (cold bore shot was the outlier at the top),  but i had them all around the same depth (2.860), this was more of a weight finder.

3) Chambering the rounds were a bit odd. Not sure because the bullet is so long it is difficult to get the round to go in?  Not talking about issues once the round was in the throat. I seemed to have corrected it by making sure the round was further back by the bolt face, seemed to have worked. Any idea why?

4) Last target was at 42.5. (Solo picture)  First two were tight groupings, but the last round either tore the paper someway or it keyholed.  I was all excited until that last round, then I wasnt sure if something got fucked up.
Link Posted: 10/24/2020 12:18:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VooDoo3dfx] [#15]


I know to get a better accurate of ES / SD, you need more rounds. But as I just wanted to get a feeling on the pressure, I kept it to 3 rounds per group)

Even though the ES/SD appears lower on the lower grain, I would prefer the faster FPS at 2700.

Link Posted: 10/24/2020 4:17:18 PM EDT
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Nothing wrong with 5.5 SD.
Link Posted: 10/24/2020 6:29:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/38790/Calculation-1651566.jpg

I know to get a better accurate of ES / SD, you need more rounds. But as I just wanted to get a feeling on the pressure, I kept it to 3 rounds per group)

Even though the ES/SD appears lower on the lower grain, I would prefer the faster FPS at 2700.

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I'm curious as to why you want something in the 2700 fps range compared to what looks like excellent results at 2650?

And don't get me wrong, an ES of 10 at 2730 fps is badass too.
Link Posted: 10/24/2020 10:46:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Demphna2:
I'm curious as to why you want something in the 2700 fps range compared to what looks like excellent results at 2650?

And don't get me wrong, an ES of 10 at 2730 fps is badass too.
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Originally Posted By Demphna2:
Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/38790/Calculation-1651566.jpg

I know to get a better accurate of ES / SD, you need more rounds. But as I just wanted to get a feeling on the pressure, I kept it to 3 rounds per group)

Even though the ES/SD appears lower on the lower grain, I would prefer the faster FPS at 2700.

I'm curious as to why you want something in the 2700 fps range compared to what looks like excellent results at 2650?

And don't get me wrong, an ES of 10 at 2730 fps is badass too.


Better velocity vs better ES?

Not sure,  what's the science behind it?
Link Posted: 10/24/2020 10:56:22 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/24/2020 11:56:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:


Better velocity vs better ES?

Not sure,  what's the science behind it?
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If you plug those numbers in your ballistic calculator, the results are interesting. Also, agreed about accuracy.
Link Posted: 10/25/2020 9:44:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
You need to test the accuracy also. Numbers don’t tell you everything. Low numbers are great but a mid teen ES and great accuracy beats single digit and moa sized groups.
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Sorry for the ignorance, but when you mean accuracy you mean group size, correct?
Link Posted: 10/25/2020 10:15:26 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/25/2020 11:31:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rob01:


Yes.
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:


Sorry for the ignorance, but when you mean accuracy you mean group size, correct?


Yes.


Maybe I misread or got the wrong info from SH.

Some of the advice given was to find a happy FPS, and once you get a consistent powder weight to work on accuracy by seating depth.

Was that incorrect?
Link Posted: 10/25/2020 12:18:09 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/25/2020 12:29:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rob01:


Sometimes that works and sometimes depending on bullet seating depth won’t do anything.

Some get hung up on chrono numbers and having to have it super low. It doesn’t have to be. Get the ES 20-25 or below and the SD in single digits and you will be fine.
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:


Maybe I misread or got the wrong info from SH.

Some of the advice given was to find a happy FPS, and once you get a consistent powder weight to work on accuracy by seating depth.

Was that incorrect?


Sometimes that works and sometimes depending on bullet seating depth won’t do anything.

Some get hung up on chrono numbers and having to have it super low. It doesn’t have to be. Get the ES 20-25 or below and the SD in single digits and you will be fine.


OK, thanks.
Link Posted: 10/25/2020 4:36:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: esa17] [#26]
Does anyone have a good starting point for the Hornady 147g ELDm projectile and H4350?  I just found a pile of them and haven’t used them much.

ETA: 6.5 cm.
Link Posted: 10/25/2020 7:28:06 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/27/2020 10:35:42 AM EDT
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For those that use Lapua brass, what size brushing do you use?
Link Posted: 10/28/2020 1:23:58 PM EDT
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How's IMR 4451? I was able to locate a deal on this powder and wondering if it would be good for 130 smks?

Thanks..
Link Posted: 10/28/2020 3:16:43 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/28/2020 3:43:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
4451 will work great. It’s almost the same burn rate as H4350. Can use it from 120-147grns without issue.
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Great, thank you!
Link Posted: 11/3/2020 7:30:37 PM EDT
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Pretty pleased with this load.

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Link Posted: 11/4/2020 10:07:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
For those that use Lapua brass, what size brushing do you use?
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.290 for .015 neck tension

Ymmv
Link Posted: 11/18/2020 2:16:59 PM EDT
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Does anyone have any good load data for the 6.5cm 130g ELDM?  I’ve got RL16, StaBall 6.5 & H4350 available.
Link Posted: 11/20/2020 12:00:44 PM EDT
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Looking for some decent Superformance loads with 123 and 140 grain bullets.

I'm down to my last pound of H4350 but did come across some Superformance yesterday so I grabbed a few pounds.  These days you take what you can get.
Link Posted: 11/26/2020 11:13:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: garbageman] [#36]
Just starting to reload for my Ruger Precision in 6.5.  I was hoping to use Federal 210's as they are bench rest rated but all I have are standard CCI's.  

Is anyone using the standard CCI LRP's?  4350 powder and hornady 140 eld's.
Link Posted: 11/26/2020 12:43:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By garbageman:
Just starting to reload for my Ruger Precision in 6.5.  I was hoping to use Federal 210's as they are bench rest rated but all I have are standard CCI's.  

Is anyone using the standard CCI LRP's?  4350 powder and hornady 140 eld's.
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Yes, I have used CCI LR primers with all three.  They will work fine.
Link Posted: 11/27/2020 8:53:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By esa17:
Does anyone have any good load data for the 6.5cm 130g ELDM?  I’ve got RL16, StaBall 6.5 & H4350 available.
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My best 130gr. SMK load. I had a hard time finding a good consistent load with the 130 gr. target projectiles from Hornady, Sierra and Berger, I could get good 100 yard groups but my SD would be in the 20’s, or I could get good SD’s but not the accuracy. Hornady and Sierra were pretty consistent with each other, but the Berger VLD was all over the place.



Link Posted: 11/30/2020 8:02:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FighterFixer1] [#39]
As difficult as it's been finding components lately, maybe somebody will find this useful.  

I know it's not considered an optimal 6.5 CM powder, but I've been using 35.8gr IMR 4064 in Hornady brass with 140gr ELD-M projectiles.  


2650 FPS and it's sub-MOA at 600 yards.  Tagging the 6" plate is easy.  The 3" target is much more challenging, but still gets smacked around.

I had 8 lbs of 4064 leftover from my .308 days and gave it a try...glad I did.  I've shot about 400 rounds in various conditions (100 degrees down to about 38).  So far, the load has been more accurate and more consistent than anything I've been able to get with H4350.  

Rifle is a home build:  Lefty Rem SPS 700 receiver, AICS chassis, Timney Calvin Elite trigger and a 26" X-Caliber Benchmark 5R barrel.
Link Posted: 2/3/2021 10:39:20 PM EDT
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How did this bullet shoot in your Bergara? Group size?
Link Posted: 4/9/2021 8:12:19 PM EDT
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Anyone have a load for Warner Tool 123gr projectiles in a T3X TAC A1?
Link Posted: 4/10/2021 3:54:23 AM EDT
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Av-vel 2665
ES 20
SD 8

I’ll bet if I dropped the rifle into a chassis and not a basic wood stock the groups would shrink.
Link Posted: 5/29/2021 9:24:35 AM EDT
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142Gr SMK
41.5gr H4350
COAL Magazine Length (TRG-22)
Alpha Munitions brass (new)

Tikka T3X Tac A1 OEM 24in Barrel



Pulled the first, next four in pretty much the same hole. 100 yards.

Funny thing is that that was the first load development I did for those bullets and that brass.

I knew the Lapua load for it, and dropped it .2gr for he heavier Alpha brass.

Without a doubt for that specific rifle 41.5 to 41.8 gr of H4350 is one of nodes, i’m told that ~42.5 is another.

The problem with the Tikka is that you get heavy bolt lift with hotter ammunition even though the brass looks perfectly fine.

I also tried some Warner tool company bullets,  and the rifling on that barrel is so inconsistent that they shoot like a shotgun. You have to use lead core ammunition in a Teaka factory barrel… and then it’s a nice little shooter.

I took a borescope to the tikka barrel after the warner tool incident, and while it’s a good barrel there are a lot of chatter marks…. Which unlike my LMT and Bartlein (sp) barrels,  means it needs to be cleaned a lot more often. Still it's a pretty good shooter…
Link Posted: 5/29/2021 9:37:20 PM EDT
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Has anyone ever tried tried h335? There isn’t any load data for it, but it’s one powder I do have.

I have Nosler 6.5 Creedmoor brass and 143gr ELD-x bullets.
Link Posted: 5/30/2021 11:35:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kleinman:
Has anyone ever tried tried h335? There isn’t any load data for it, but it’s one powder I do have.

I have Nosler 6.5 Creedmoor brass and 143gr ELD-x bullets.
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H335 is going to be too fast for the 6.5cm.

The fastest powders I've seen used were about H4895 for light bullets.  

I wouldn't waste your 143s trying to make H335 work.
Link Posted: 8/30/2021 9:30:55 AM EDT
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Pretty mundane but here are my loads. The only interesting thing is the variance in charge weight needed for different case manufacturers to achieve similar velocities. Also I had to add 0.3gr powder to all my loads with my latest 24lbs powder.

Lapua brass
147gr ELD-M
41.6gr H4350
CCI BR4
2.81"
~2780fps from 26" Bartlein
~2685fps from 24" Tikka CTR

Hornady brass
147gr ELD-M
41.8gr H4350
Federal 210M
2.81"
~2780fps from 26" Bartlein
~2685fps from 24" Tikka CTR

Hornady brass
140gr Hdy BTHP
41.8gr H4350
Federal 210M
~2810fps from 26" Bartlein
~2710fps from 24" Tikka CTR


Federal brass
143gr ELD-X
41.5gr H4350
Federal 210M
2.81"
~2700fps from 24" Tikka CTR


Link Posted: 2/22/2022 6:23:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: savagemann] [#47]



Top left is 10 rounds with a hot barrel.
Rest are 5 shot groups.

140gr ELDM
41.5gr H4350
Lapua small primer brass
Cci450

Between 2.815 and 2.830.

Best groups were 2.815 and 2.820
Link Posted: 2/22/2022 6:44:44 PM EDT
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Honestly, that’s pretty nice. However I tend to see the same SD and ES with large rifle primers and Lapua brass.

Link Posted: 2/22/2022 7:32:24 PM EDT
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Honestly, that’s pretty nice. However I tend to see the same SD and ES with large rifle primers and Lapua brass.

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Yeah. I'm not totally stoked with the ES. Gonna drop down to 41.3gr and work it up a little higher until I perfect that node.
Another variable was I was using my backup equipment. Old gem pro 20 scale and a lee hand press and dies.
Link Posted: 2/28/2022 11:57:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SpeyRod] [#50]
This may be a repeat of someone else’s but this one is shooting well.

Bartlien 22” #8 contour
Hornady 140 eldm
40.9 H4350
CCI BR4
Lapua srp 1x neck turned
2.196 ogive length
2.80” oal
SD 6
Avg speed 2,766

I have shot some .2’s with this but I am averaging right at .5” 5 shot groups over the last 100 rounds.
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