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4/1/2026 11:56:13 AM EDT
With all of the new data supporting what most of us have known for years with AR rails screwing with accuracy and precision, I wish someone would make a modern Swan Sleeve for various length rails.  This would be beneficial to everyone that has ARs that are monolithic receiver builds.

For instance, I have a couple of ARs that I have Arca rails on.  I want to put a a bridged riser on them to reduce the amount of bend with using a bipod on the end, or IR lasers, or especially shooting with an Arca head on a triipod.
4/17/2026 8:54:26 AM EDT
[#1]
How about something like a vltor casv?

Im surprised PRI doesn't have anything that would work on a normal picatinny top rail.
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4/17/2026 6:24:09 PM EDT
[#2]
Yeah, some of the Old School GWOT rails would work, but I was thinking about something to use on your existing rails.  I looked at PRI, and I can't believe they don't make anything either.

With all of the "new" research making it's rounds about the POI change on gas guns, I would think there would be a market.
4/17/2026 7:48:18 PM EDT
[#3]
What rail are you using and what kinda POI shift are you seeing?

I had a 6.5CM AR- Aero receivers and handguard- that exhibited no shift, whether it was shot off of a bag, bipod, Arca, or saddle.
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4/19/2026 10:24:05 PM EDT
[#4]
All gas guns with all rails exhibit a POI shift that with minimal pressure applied on a tripod, barricade,slung, or even shooting a bipolar.

There is an entire YouTube series covering what many of us have known for years.  

The AR15 POI Shift Test Every Precision Shooter Needs to See



4/20/2026 12:08:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CPshooter1][Edited] [#5]
I’m confused.  I thought PRi still makes them.  Maybe I’m misunderstanding what OP is asking for.
4/20/2026 12:15:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
All gas guns with all rails exhibit a POI shift that with minimal pressure applied on a tripod, barricade,slung, or even shooting a bipolar.

There is an entire YouTube series covering what many of us have known for years.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSWLKZCrF8s


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That was interesting for sure.  I might have missed it since I was skipping ahead to see which platforms they were testing, but I would have liked to see them do the same deflection test with a SCAR.  Surprised the LMT MWS still had that much deflection.  Very eye opening.
4/21/2026 1:02:20 AM EDT
[#7]
@OP

On the test video, did I understand correctly that they only tested direct mount bipods and mounting to the tripod with arca rails? If so I'd be really interested to see testing with a clamp style saddle on a tripod.
4/21/2026 3:26:07 PM EDT
[#8]
So what would be the simple solution to mitigate POI shift when using a bipod? A billet receiver? Monolithic style receiver? Seems like the rail just transfers that force to the barrel nut area so would the handguard choice be not as important?
4/22/2026 12:46:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bravo_677:
So what would be the simple solution to mitigate POI shift when using a bipod? A billet receiver? Monolithic style receiver? Seems like the rail just transfers that force to the barrel nut area so would the handguard choice be not as important?
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Seems like a rail bridge would just be a half-assed attempt. Monolithic upper is the only way around it.
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4/22/2026 2:56:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bravo_677:
So what would be the simple solution to mitigate POI shift when using a bipod? A billet receiver? Monolithic style receiver? Seems like the rail just transfers that force to the barrel nut area so would the handguard choice be not as important?
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4/22/2026 4:57:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bravo_677:
So what would be the simple solution to mitigate POI shift when using a bipod? A billet receiver? Monolithic style receiver? Seems like the rail just transfers that force to the barrel nut area so would the handguard choice be not as important?
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4/26/2026 5:53:39 PM EDT
[#12]
Yeah, a monlithic upper receiver with full length ARCA would be money.
4/30/2026 5:43:41 PM EDT
[#13]
Bcm riser

To bad they couldn't just extend this a little. Enough for 2 clamps at least on the rail.
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4/30/2026 5:49:42 PM EDT
[#14]
Long ago Armalite used to make such a device that would bridge from receiver to handguard. I got a couple on a closeout sale.

I'm sure PRI could do it, just need to know there is a demand. Then again it's been like 15 years and they've never fixed the top rail height on their triangular handguards so they may not be the most responsive outfit out there.
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5/1/2026 10:38:45 PM EDT
[#15]
There's a few pictures on the spr thread that Stickman has posted with the Pri gen 3 top rail on a centurion handguard, is it modern? No but it seems like there is potential for added rigidity inna setup like that without having to use the Pri tube handguard.

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