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1/9/2018 11:37:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mettee:
You guys see the new alpha brass with small rifle primer pockets?

https://store.alphamunitions.com/product/260-remington-srp/
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The out of stock stuff?!
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1/10/2018 1:45:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dHUTCH:

The out of stock stuff?!
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It's the heat.

They will make more don't worry, then you can get some.
1/10/2018 7:33:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mettee:
You guys see the new alpha brass with small rifle primer pockets?

https://store.alphamunitions.com/product/260-remington-srp/
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Wow, another step forward for the .260!  OOS already though.
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1/10/2018 8:38:21 AM EDT
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Please educate me . . . What's the benefit of a small primer pocket?
1/10/2018 8:53:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SmokieRiver:
Please educate me . . . What's the benefit of a small primer pocket?
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Supposedly small pockets last longer due to there being more brass at the case head and they could be more uniform in ignition, which aids accuracy.
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1/10/2018 12:51:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Defender3:

Supposedly small pockets last longer due to their being more brass at the case head and they could be more uniform in ignition, which aids accuracy.
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Boom! Nailed it!

Possibly a little cheaper as well(primers)
1/10/2018 1:16:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mettee:

Boom! Nailed it!

Possibly a little cheaper as well.
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If Lapua does it, it must be good.
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1/11/2018 2:50:59 AM EDT
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1/11/2018 8:54:05 AM EDT
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^^^^^^

Wow!  That is awesome. Have you tried the R23 it in “standard” large-primer brass?
1/11/2018 8:57:46 AM EDT
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Nice!

I'm not sure anyone has reported on the RL23 yet????  People were using RL17 due to its proximity to the IMR 4350.

ETA - Where did you find the load data for the SMKs?
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1/11/2018 11:20:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Defender3:

If Lapua does it, it must be good.
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It's the La ...

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1/11/2018 11:22:39 AM EDT
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You never miss a beat, do ya!  
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1/11/2018 1:29:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AR10Brian:
^^^^^^

Wow!  That is awesome. Have you tried the R23 it in “standard” large-primer brass?
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That's scary good.....
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1/11/2018 1:56:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AR10Brian:
^^^^^^

Wow!  That is awesome. Have you tried the R23 it in “standard” large-primer brass?
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Thats not me that is from the alpha IG page.
1/11/2018 1:56:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Defender3:

Nice!

I'm not sure anyone has reported on the RL23 yet????  People were using RL17 due to its proximity to the IMR 4350.

ETA - Where did you find the load data for the SMKs?
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Thats from alphas IG
1/11/2018 1:59:47 PM EDT
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I have two boxes on order/on the way. Will be here in a week and half I guess.

The SRP brass should help with primer pocket yield and it also seems to give more uniform ignition.
1/11/2018 2:28:05 PM EDT
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What OAL did you use?
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1/11/2018 2:52:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
What OAL did you use?
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who me? That is a post from the Alpha page on IG, I didnt load that, I just spoke to them about it. We could find out the OAL
1/11/2018 3:04:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mettee:

who me? That is a post from the Alpha page on IG, I didnt load that, I just spoke to them about it. We could find out the OAL
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Sorry, I'm a bit behind.  I thought you did those wonderful things!
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1/11/2018 3:48:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Defender3:

Sorry, I'm a bit behind.  I thought you did those wonderful things!
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No, but I have some on order and I will be. Need to clean off my bench, but I am pretty much ready to go.

I am hoping we can get decent performance from the 140 ELD-M at least and some of the other 140 class bullets. I need to reference the speeds you recorded on the SMKs

I still think the 130 is the way to go in all honesty. I just want to be able to shoot the ELD-X 143
1/11/2018 3:50:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mettee:
No, but I have some on order and I will be. Need to clean off my bench, but I am pretty much ready to go.

I am hoping we can get decent performance from the 140 ELD-M at least and some of the other 140 class bullets. I need to reference the speeds you recorded on the SMKs

I still think the 130 is the way to go in all honesty. I just want to be able to shoot the ELD-X 143
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Originally Posted By mettee:
Originally Posted By Defender3:

Sorry, I'm a bit behind.  I thought you did those wonderful things!
No, but I have some on order and I will be. Need to clean off my bench, but I am pretty much ready to go.

I am hoping we can get decent performance from the 140 ELD-M at least and some of the other 140 class bullets. I need to reference the speeds you recorded on the SMKs

I still think the 130 is the way to go in all honesty. I just want to be able to shoot the ELD-X 143
No Reloader 23 within 50 miles of me.  
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1/11/2018 4:00:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Defender3:

No Reloader 23 within 50 miles of me.  
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I just noticed they used the CCI 450 magnum primer also
1/11/2018 5:37:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mettee:
I just noticed they used the CCI 450 magnum primer also
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Originally Posted By mettee:
Originally Posted By Defender3:

No Reloader 23 within 50 miles of me.  
I just noticed they used the CCI 450 magnum primer also
Now that's interesting, I would have thought there could be pressure issues.
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1/11/2018 7:09:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Defender3:

Now that's interesting, I would have thought there could be pressure issues.
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I've heard of individuals using magnum primers in applications like this(original case that has large rifle primers and someone comes out with a small rifle primer case). There have been cases of stove pipes due to low temperatures causing not 100% powder ignition. Or there is a thought that the little guy doesn't have enough POWAH to get full powder ignition and you're spewing unburnt powder out the end of the barrel.

I ran BR4's in my Lapua cased 6.5x47 Lapua and never had any issues. However, I'm in Texas and was shooting in Houston at the time and we never saw any crazy weather there.

In this case(pun intended)...the test results were using 450's.....so I'd go with 450's.

ETA: Here's an interesting field expedient test over at SH discussing BR-4 and 450's in a 6.5C.
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1/11/2018 8:32:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dHUTCH:

ETA: Here's an interesting field expedient test over at SH discussing BR-4 and 450's in a 6.5C.
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That is pretty awesome reading. Looks like zero pressure issues in his rounds loaded over 2900(bolt gun though)
1/12/2018 10:45:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mettee:

That is pretty awesome reading. Looks like zero pressure issues in his rounds loaded over 2900(bolt gun though)
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Couple things here....

Not sure if I'd load a LaRue to 2900+ on the 260; the 22" barrel is it's main limiting factor. He also has an additional 1.5" of barrel that even the longest LaRue does not.

I think he was more demonstrating that there is little to no difference between BR-4's and 450's except for the price tag. Same load, different primers and yet we saw no pressure signs due the magnum primer.

We see "magnum" and immediately think, "OMG, that can't work in a non magnum cartridge!" Personally I've never done it but as evidenced here by two posts and a couple conversations I've participated in with fellow shooters....it must be common enough in the reloading world.
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1/12/2018 1:25:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Defender3][Edited] [#27]
Took a drive down to Green Top and Bass Pro.  GT had some 4831SC and the 450 primers, also bought some 142ge SMKs and some Bergers. Bass Pro really didn't have much, but I bought some Sig ammo to try, which I think is made by Winchester.  No RL23 at either and no pics, I haven't sneaked it into the house yet since HH6 is hanging out at home.    Also stopped at Gander Mountain not realizing they are closed pending the remodel to Gander / Outdoor World or whatever.  Maybe they'll have more stuff at better prices.

ETA - Looks like the Sig ammo is actually made in Kentucky.
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1/12/2018 5:56:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dHUTCH:

Couple things here....

Not sure if I'd load a LaRue to 2900+ on the 260; the 22" barrel is it's main limiting factor. He also has an additional 1.5" of barrel that even the longest LaRue does not.

I think he was more demonstrating that there is little to no difference between BR-4's and 450's except for the price tag. Same load, different primers and yet we saw no pressure signs due the magnum primer.

We see "magnum" and immediately think, "OMG, that can't work in a non magnum cartridge!" Personally I've never done it but as evidenced here by two posts and a couple conversations I've participated in with fellow shooters....it must be common enough in the reloading world.
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I totally agree.

No I would not load a 140 class to those speeds in this rifle. I am looking forward to trying this combo and different bullets for sure.
1/12/2018 8:04:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mettee:

I just noticed they used the CCI 450 magnum primer also
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I have 800 of those I'll probably not use.
Trade for something maybe?
1/12/2018 8:34:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DuneShoot:
I have 800 of those I'll probably not use.
Trade for something maybe?
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what do you need?
1/12/2018 8:39:56 PM EDT
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Hello if I know!

38, 357, 44 ammo?

I dunno, these are worth but $25ish. Paid $33 for 1000.
1/13/2018 9:59:35 AM EDT
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I was stir crazy yesterday after spending so much time inside updating my resume, job searching, arguing with VA unemployment, etc., etc., so I took a little road trip down Richmond way to visit Greentop and Bass Pro. It killed a few hours and at least got me out of the house.  Picture of the claimed booty including some Sig 77gr OTMs and Sig 6.5CM.  I forgot I bought that PayDay bar.  



Headed over to Home Depot to see if they still had any of the special buy Ryobi dual, high capacity battery packs.  I found the last one in the store tucked away where it didn't belong, and used my mil discount and gift card FTW!  Also, kudos to H/D for thinking of those who served:



I think I'll spend sometime today developing a reloading components spreadsheet or database; it's cold and rainy outside, so that may be a good use of my time.  
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1/13/2018 10:49:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
I was stir crazy yesterday after spending so much time inside updating my resume, job searching, arguing with VA unemployment, etc., etc., so I took a little road trip down Richmond way to visit Greentop and Bass Pro. It killed a few hours and at least got me out of the house.  Picture of the claimed booty including some Sig 77gr OTMs and Sig 6.5CM.  I forgot I bought that PayDay bar.  

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_6462_JPG-418853.jpg

Headed over to Home Depot to see if they still had any of the special buy Ryobi dual, high capacity battery packs.  I found the last one in the store tucked away where it didn't belong, and used my mil discount and gift card FTW!  Also, kudos to H/D for thinking of those who served:

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_6461_JPG-418852.jpg

I think I'll spend sometime today developing a reloading components spreadsheet or database; it's cold and rainy outside, so that may be a good use of my time.  
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Our local HD has this:



My LGS has the same signs.

I don't normally park there, but after a couple recent knee surgeries, I figured why the hell not?
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Shooter's Pro has Nosler 130gr Reduced Drag Factor blems for $21.20 (yes, the 130s, not the 140s).

MidwayUSA has 260 Lapua brass on clearance for $85 / 100, normally it's $105 / 100.
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1/14/2018 5:43:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DuneShoot:
Hello if I know!

38, 357, 44 ammo?

I dunno, these are worth but $25ish. Paid $33 for 1000.
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Well I'll take them, we can sort it out when ever.
1/14/2018 5:46:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
I was stir crazy yesterday after spending so much time inside updating my resume, job searching, arguing with VA unemployment, etc., etc., so I took a little road trip down Richmond way to visit Greentop and Bass Pro. It killed a few hours and at least got me out of the house.  Picture of the claimed booty including some Sig 77gr OTMs and Sig 6.5CM.  I forgot I bought that PayDay bar.  

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_6462_JPG-418853.jpg

Headed over to Home Depot to see if they still had any of the special buy Ryobi dual, high capacity battery packs.  I found the last one in the store tucked away where it didn't belong, and used my mil discount and gift card FTW!  Also, kudos to H/D for thinking of those who served:

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/52736/IMG_6461_JPG-418852.jpg

I think I'll spend sometime today developing a reloading components spreadsheet or database; it's cold and rainy outside, so that may be a good use of my time.  
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Let me get that payday... My fav

I see you got some 450s
1/14/2018 5:02:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
Shooter's Pro has Nosler 130gr Reduced Drag Factor blems for $21.20 (yes, the 130s, not the 140s).

MidwayUSA has 260 Lapua brass on clearance for $85 / 100, normally it's $105 / 100.
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MHS usually has Lapua brass for $89.99 and they don't charge a fortune for shipping like Midway.
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1/14/2018 5:10:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dHUTCH:
MHS usually has Lapua brass for $89.99 and they don't charge a fortune for shipping like Midway.
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Originally Posted By dHUTCH:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
Shooter's Pro has Nosler 130gr Reduced Drag Factor blems for $21.20 (yes, the 130s, not the 140s).

MidwayUSA has 260 Lapua brass on clearance for $85 / 100, normally it's $105 / 100.
MHS usually has Lapua brass for $89.99 and they don't charge a fortune for shipping like Midway.
Who is MHS?
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Who is MHS?
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1/14/2018 5:16:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dHUTCH:

Mile High Shooting
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Thanks, I should have known.
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1/16/2018 7:02:34 PM EDT
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Soo...alpha or peterson small primer brass?  
1/17/2018 12:58:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe:
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Alpha is super consistent and it may cost more.

You could start with the peterson and see if you like the ROI
1/17/2018 8:09:40 AM EDT
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IIRC, Peterson was one of the suppliers to Gorilla Ammunition.
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
IIRC, Peterson was one of the suppliers to Gorilla Ammunition.
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Is that a good thing?

I'm leaning towards Peterson.  While not an apples to apples comparison, 65guys got 12 firings out of their alpha 65cm brass (compared to 20+ on their lapua) and there's some article floating around where a Peterson engineer got 30 firings out of a 308 case.
1/17/2018 2:50:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bfk4lyfe:

Is that a good thing?

I'm leaning towards Peterson.  While not an apples to apples comparison, 65guys got 12 firings out of their alpha 65cm brass (compared to 20+ on their lapua) and there's some article floating around where a Peterson engineer got 30 firings out of a 308 case.
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There would be a large number of variables to account for if you were to consider those all equivalencies.
1/17/2018 4:05:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mettee:

There would be a large number of variables to account for if you were to consider those all equivalencies.
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well yes that's true.
1/17/2018 8:43:39 PM EDT
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Midway has starline brass on sale if anyone is interested

Pete
1/18/2018 3:26:02 PM EDT
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So what is the list of powders we have attempted to use?

RL23 - used in that smokin good alpha load, likely a bolt/long barrel powder

RL16 - my top pic

RL17 -

Varget -

IMR4451 -

H4350 - ole' stand by

IMR4350 -

H4831SC -
1/18/2018 4:14:45 PM EDT
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I believe someone used H4831SC also.
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1/19/2018 12:02:18 AM EDT
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Took the LT260 out again with mixed results at 1K yards. Still a good time and good practice.
Did have good results with my loads in a Grendel at 500 yards :)

I'm about to start reloading for this rifle and browsed the OP for links within this thread. Didn't find what load seems to work best with H4350, Hornady 130 ELD-M's, and Lapua brass.
D3 is that data in this thread somewhere?
I thought you used these components, did you just use the data on Hodgsons site, 39.7 to 42.7gr's?
And should we load in .3gr increments?
I'll probably start with once fired Hornady brass, then use the Lapua.
How many loads are people getting with these 2 cases?

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