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Since I'm a new account again having to break it up in multiple posts, but here is my take on what is going on in my home state regarding IP reform and the madness going on now with the liberal taking over the state. I moved back to Southwest FL from Stl back in 2015. What is odd is even today as a whole Missouri is still more conservative than FL and more Republican. The abortion amendment down here failed because it didn't hit 60 percent but had more support here in Florida and wasn't too far from passing, but because MO doesnt have that rule it still passed, same as weed. More support in FL but didn't pass because of 60 percent. MO is more pro gun state statues too. Courts said open carry is unconstitutional but the law is technically still on the books and the stupid 3 date wait period if no ccw permit and binary triggers are banned in FL too. Missouri is pretty much hands off when it comes to firearms and in 2014 Missourians made the constitutional protections some of the strongest in the country by 61 percent. |
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Anti gun group did toy with getting an amendment on the ballots but internal polling showed it would severly fail at the polls hence it was pulled, plus Paul Berry's lawsuit too. If something liek that ever passed it would be all over the federal courts. You can thank TWO RINOS why IP reform wasn't passed. That is a nasty anti SAPA rino Cindy O Laughlin and Elizabeth Coleman. Liz worked with democraps to kill it in the senate and was even laughing at them about it. 2023 the house passed a 60 percent one to put on the ballots and the senate amended it to 57 percent which is still acceptable, but the two RINOs have killed IP reform. 57 percent would have passed at the polls. Amendment 4 was dumb. I would have voted for it, but I think they knew it wouldn't pass but did it to placate the governor. I think 57 percent voters would approve. My other beef is while I live in FL I was and still am bombarded with NO on 4 and 5. I saw no ads pro amendment 4 and all the libtards spammed fb. I tried arguing with libtards. ANy post I see that's liberal I begin bashing. Amendment 6 is pure poison and you can thanks Cindy and Liz for this. |
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Kehoe is a rino. Bill Eigel is like a Ron DeSantis. Liberals crossed over and voted for Kehoe knowing he'd do less damage to them. I expect amendment 6 to pass. Both sides a majority can't read at above 8th grade reading level and have a lot of "low information voters" as Rush Limbaugh called them. Yes, Missouri still has left over Southern Democrat mentality. See it in Kentucky and Arkansas too. Also, I hear lawmakers were scared to use 60 percent because 5 years ago Arkansas tried passing 60 percent and it got crushed at the polls. Arkansas voters are similar to MO in a lot of ways with the populist thing. I expect due to the anti trump movement super majorites are lost in both chambers. Here in FL they will likely be lost too and I wouldn't be shocked if Jolly wons because Donalds is so toxic and many Republicans are refusing to vote for him. YUou know, if Amendment 6 passes, I hope Missouri Firearms Coalition does a petition drive and get the most pro gun constitutional protections possible. Get full constitutional carry wording in the constitution and full protections for AR15s, etc. Give it right back to the liberals and make it impossible to pass anti gun gun laws at the ballots and if democrats ever get power in jeff city they would need 80 percent to repeal it. |
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There's a lot to chew on in your post, but I'll make a couple of observations. First, Missouri is a mix of rural and urban. Because of the way the districts are laid out, there are more red-leaning legislative districts than blue-leaning. Consequently, Republicans have strong majorities in the General Assembly. Their advantage in legislative districts is disproportional to the actual Republican/Democratic leanings of the state's population. Second, despite their numeric majority in the General Assembly, Republicans can't pass anything they want. That's due to the culture and tradition of "fair and open debate" in the Senate. As long as one Senator wishes to speak, debate continues. To force a vote requires a motion to "call the previous question." This is considered the nuclear option in the Senate and it is rarely invoked. In recent years it has been used more often but the general consensus is that it is a negative thing and doesn't bode well for the institution. BTW, the filibuster isn't only used by the minority party. Sometimes Republicans filibuster Republicans (which is why we got sports betting through an initiative petition instead of a bill passed by the House and Senate). Thirdly, Missouri is not as conservative as many assume. The two largest cities, as well as a couple of college towns lean heavily left. These are the population centers and they carry a lot of weight when they turn out to vote. Given the chance, a slim majority of voting Missourians often support policies generally considered to be liberal priorities (legal marijuana, Medicaid expansion, legal abortion, etc.). Fourth, Missouri still elects Republicans to statewide offices. As long as the Governor and Attorney General are Republicans, liberals will struggle to advance their priorities. My personal opinion is that because Republicans dominate the legislature it's hard for a Democrat to build statewide recognition. They can't accomplish much so they don't get much attention. I also think Democratic voters assume voting for Democratic politicians in Missouri is an exercise in futility so they don't turn out to support candidates. They do care about issues however so when there is a ballot question that interests them they turn out in force. It wasn't many years ago that Democrats held the majorities. A couple of decades of Rush Limbaugh, the Moral Majority, the Tea Party, etc. flipped that on its head. Donald Trump solidified Republican domination. This won't last forever. My sense is that Missouri Republicans will lose their veto-proof super majority in the legislature within two or three election cycles. It's not inconceivable that in 10-15 years Democrats could retake the majority in at least one chamber. I think it's a safe bet that Missouri will have a Democrat statewide office holder within that time period. I don't think Missouri will ever be a liberal state, but someday it may revert back to it s old evenly split, bell-weather status. That's a good thing, IMO. |
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I can't see democraps taking the MO house or senate due to the way districts are laid out, and the democrats only have far lefts running for office now. This isn't 2003 when you still had pro gun democrats which if it wasn't for them CCW veto override wouldn't have happened. That's why places like Southeast MO or Jefferson County don't elect dems anymore. You had the likes of Ben Harris and Keith English who voted pro gun and voted to override for permit less carry. Kentucky is similar and they still elect democrats to state office such as governor and only recently their houses flipped to democrat. I think 2012 is when the Arkansas house flipped finally. 1992 a shall issue ccw bill was passed in MO you might recall. The house voted for it with democrat majority, then the courthouse shooting in Clayton happened and it narrowly was defeated in the senate. I don't think MO will ever be as democrat as Georgia is becoming. Looks like they will elect a dem governor and their majorities keep shrinking in the assembly. Georgia also has Atlanta which keeps growing. The issue with Springfield electing more dems is the demographics change. A lot from Commiefornia have been moving into that area. I'm expecting here in FL to also lose the super majorities after this election. Missouri needs the 60 percent law. Here in FL a higher percentage of the population supported weed and abortion at the polls that MO did but because of the rule it didn't pass. I think abortion in FL was 57 percent. The issue with the MO senate is Cindy O Laughlin, and Elizabeth Coleman. The democrats no longer run moderates in MO for governor which is the issue with getting them to win again. |
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Originally Posted By Gunsgalore83: The issue with the MO senate is Cindy O Laughlin, and Elizabeth Coleman. Cindy O'Laughlin is no longer an issue. She is term-limited after this year. FWIW, she was part of the original six-member Conservative Caucus when she first entered the Senate in 2018. It only took her a year to see that bunch was not interested in anything but getting social media likes and stirring shit. She dropped out of the caucus the next year and became a successful mediator of the various factions in the Senate. |
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: Cindy O'Laughlin is no longer an issue. She is term-limited after this year. FWIW, she was part of the original six-member Conservative Caucus when she first entered the Senate in 2018. It only took her a year to see that bunch was not interested in anything but getting social media likes and stirring shit. She dropped out of the caucus the next year and became a successful mediator of the various factions in the Senate. She killed SAPA and GOOD IP reform. Aron Dorr also has had interactions with her. She is not a friend of firearms rights if you pay attention to Missouri Firearms Coalition she's a terrible person. If MO had closed primaries, Bill Eigel probably would have been governor right now. He's the closest thing you will get to Ron DeSantis. I would like to see Nick Shorer run for governor. Glad Cindy is gone Elizabeth Coleman also wants to repeal capital punishment! That would not go well with the voters as a large majority support it. I'd like to see rapist and such for capital punishment too. That was a priority of Matt Blunt back in 2008 but didn't gain traction. It would be nice to see Blunt run again, but he's making $$ as an auto lobbyist now. If amendment 6 passes, the conservative right needs to use it and throw it right back at the liberals and beat them at their own game. Pass radical pro gun at the polls since it only needs 50.1 and make it impossible to repeal. Conservatives need to grow a pair. 2014 pro gun amendment passed at the polls. Prop B in 99 I think many pro gunners voted against it. You see if that would have passed, a democrat admin would set the qualifications and could have made it impossible to pass it. Like shoot within the 8 ring on a B27 and 75 yards, etc. 2003 bill was much better. |
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Originally Posted By Gunsgalore83: She killed SAPA and GOOD IP reform. Aron Dorr also has had interactions with her. She is not a friend of firearms rights if you pay attention to Missouri Firearms Coalition she's a terrible person . .. . I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court killed SAPA. The rest was just theatrics. Aaron Dorr? OK. I'm out. |
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: Aaron Dorr, huh? Can I interest you in some beautiful beachfront property in north Missouri? Dorr brothers got permit less carry passed in Missouri and kept red flag laws out unlike Florida and Indiana. NRA didn't help with permit less carry. It was MFC that lobbied very hard for it. It took only 2 years to pass too. 2015 it was introduced and didn't go far. Todd Richardson was an excellent speaker. I must say Jon Patterson has been pretty fair as a speaker letting bills be heard on the floor though. It's the senate screwing up as usual. Notice 2012-2016 the house and senate with larger super majorities got for more done with Jay Nixon as governor and just overrode him at will. WIthout super majorities under Matt Blunt both chambers got more done too. I was talking about the revised SAPA to correct the one ruled unconstitutional |
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Originally Posted By Gunsgalore83: Dorr brothers got permit less carry passed in Missouri and kept red flag laws out unlike Florida and Indiana. . . . Well, that's what Aaron Dorr says anyway. I'd be surprised if you can find any legislator or pro-gun group that gives the Dorr Brothers the credit for those things. Do a google search on those guys. Yeah, you'll find most of the critical information is from sources you don't like, but I suspect you won't find much positive about them in pro-gun sources either. |
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Curt Fraizer was the early organizer originally. Remember when they pushed for Amendment 5 that passed with 61 percent of the vote? One can argue that amendment 5 authorizes constitutional carry in the state of Missouri, but that argument is moot now anyway. I don't have an issue with them taking donations. Id rather have them making a living focusing on gun rights than having to work full time jobs. They helped out a lot in Iowa too. We could use his work here in Florida, a lot. We did get permit less carry passed only because DeSantis pushed for it. IF it wasn't DeSantis as governor we'd still need a permit to carry here in FL. Took the courts to grant open carry. If we get David Jolly or a democrat attorney general at election time I'm sure they will go to the courts to get that repealed. We also can't have binary triggers in FL and have red flag passed by Republicans. Marion Hammer didn't get sh*t done since 1986 here in Florida. Florida Carry is a good group but just can't get any traction. Missouri is a lot more hands off with firearms compared to FL. Missouri technically IS a more red state than Florida. The last 3 elections, the Missouri Ozarks especially south central MO is one of the most conservative voting blocks in the United States. If you look at the numbers only places like Western OK voted the same or more heavily Republican than South Central Missouri. Northern Arkansas Ozarks are not even as red as bordering Missouri counties. Most MO counties went over 80 percent trump in the rural areas of the Ozarks. If you annex the city of St. Louis to IL, the democrat party in Missouri would be defunct. Stl county and KC wouldn't even come close to winning any state wide office again. |