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5/23/2008 4:13:27 AM EDT
I am going to be going through Missouri later this year and need to know if the signs prohibited CCW have a specific format in order to apply to CCWers.

Thank you,

CSP
5/23/2008 5:06:28 AM EDT
[#1]
They're supposed to be, but all the ones I've seen are not posted according to the standard.

From the Missouri Revised Statutes
Chapter 571
Weapons Offenses
Section 571.107


minimum size of eleven inches by fourteen inches with the writing thereon in letters of not less than one inch.


Most I've seen have been on good old regular 8.5x11 paper.  Not sure if you'd have a leg to stand on, but all they can do is ask you to leave.  If you refuse, it's barely a slap on the wrist.  Read item (15) and the rest of the section for the specifics.
5/23/2008 5:09:27 AM EDT
[#2]
The signs are supposed to have 1" tall letters, that's all I know. The deal is they can ask you to leave if they find you're ccwing and if you don't then you're in trouble. So the signs really don't mean much. Of course the standard places are still a no go, PD, Court, Bars and so on.

ETA-

Beat me to it.
5/23/2008 6:06:08 AM EDT
[#3]
Thank you!  
5/23/2008 6:20:44 AM EDT
[#4]
Keep in mind however that in Kansas there is no state-mandated spec for the signs and the first infraction is a Class D (I think, whatever the lowest one is) misdemeanor carrying a fine.
5/23/2008 7:57:01 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Keep in mind however that in Kansas there is no state-mandated spec for the signs and the first infraction is a Class D (I think, whatever the lowest one is) misdemeanor carrying a fine.


There are specs for CCW signs in Kansas.

Link to Kansas Attornory General document on CCW Signs
5/23/2008 9:25:33 AM EDT
[#6]
I think the operative function here is that someone posted a sign that they don't want you carrying a gun in their establishment, This is their right, So... Don't. What the hell matters if the damned sign is spec or not? Respect their wishes and don't carry a gun in there because if they spot it they will call the cops and you will be detained or worse.

In Fact don't shop there! Asking about specs for signs sounds like someone wants to cause trouble somewhere. I don't recommend that! If you see a sign that says carrying firearms is not welcome here then respect that wish and go elsewhere.
5/23/2008 9:52:50 AM EDT
[#7]
they do have to know that you are carrying .. it SHOULD be concealed so if they know then you didn't do you job of concealing it!  
5/23/2008 12:45:32 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Keep in mind however that in Kansas there is no state-mandated spec for the signs and the first infraction is a Class D (I think, whatever the lowest one is) misdemeanor carrying a fine.


There are specs for CCW signs in Kansas.

Link to Kansas Attornory General document on CCW Signs

That's just for those who carry Berettas.  Not for us Glock folks.  
5/23/2008 12:48:28 PM EDT
[#9]

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they do have to know that you are carrying .. it SHOULD be concealed so if they know then you didn't do you job of concealing it!  

BINGO!!

And AFSOC, sometimes you don't have a choice.  I've found myself going into plenty of places with such signs, such as my job.  I chuckle though as it reads "No weapons" and I take a quick mental count of the weapons I have on me at that moment.  Spyderco, expandable baton, sharp pencils, my key chain, my thumbs, etc.  Every day.  
5/23/2008 1:24:38 PM EDT
[#10]
Compliant Sign



Non-compliant Sign

5/23/2008 3:28:28 PM EDT
[#11]
No Revolvers (suspect the illegals and the illiterate can't read the text)



No Berettas

5/23/2008 4:11:35 PM EDT
[#12]

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No Berettas

tv.ku.edu/media/news/images/2006/11/gun-tease-image.png


Probably no Tauruses?/Tauri? Brazilian made Beretta knock-offs allowed either.
5/23/2008 6:38:15 PM EDT
[#13]
So Browning Hi-Powers are okay?
5/23/2008 7:54:28 PM EDT
[#14]

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So Browning Hi-Powers are okay?


Looks like 1911 are go to go too.
5/23/2008 8:05:23 PM EDT
[#15]

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Quoted:
So Browning Hi-Powers are okay?


Looks like 1911 are go to go too.


Everything from John Moses Browning is good to go. Now where is my IWB holster for my 1919A4?
5/24/2008 8:07:08 AM EDT
[#16]

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So Browning Hi-Powers are okay?


Looks like 1911 are go to go too.


Everything from John Moses Browning is good to go. Now where is my IWB holster for my 1919A4?

Glocks are, as always, good too!
5/24/2008 3:48:10 PM EDT
[#17]
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Glocks are, as always, good too!
5/24/2008 4:44:20 PM EDT
[#18]
Most of the signs I have seen are non-compliant.  However, I try to avoid places with those signs because they are frankly dangerous.  

The backup factor plummets, as there is much less chance you will have a brother-in-arms present.  

I used to go in and tell the owner that I would no longer be able to do business with their store because of the immense risk they are putting their patrons in.  Usually they would ask me what I meant, and I would say that they had put up a "Free Robbery" sign.
5/25/2008 7:59:20 PM EDT
[#19]
vectorsc I am with you, I try to avoid the places with a sign like the plague.

I prefer to patronize places that don't put up signs since as you put it there maybe a brother in arms present for back up.