[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Defensive Edge class coming up (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/22/2009 5:59:17 PM EDT
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This one will be in Racine the weekend of May 23rd and 24th. The great thing about this one is that you can take a single day handgun, a single day carbine, or both. Handgun is day one and carbine is day two.
Link to calendar Ok some of you guys have been wanting to try out some training for a while now so I posted it early enough that you can save up the cash and clear your calendars. |
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Quoted: This one will be in Racine the weekend of May 23rd and 24th. The great thing about this one is that you can take a single day handgun, a single day carbine, or both. Handgun is day one and carbine is day two. Link to calendar Ok some of you guys have been wanting to try out some training for a while now so I posted it early enough that you can save up the cash and clear your calendars. Damn! I suppose I have to now... you taking this one None? I've told three other guys about it and the SO. How many rounds for each day? Now I have to get one of my AR's to run perfectly. And load a ton of ammo... |
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What's with that credentialing BS???? I've never heard of any class requiring that. If they are that worried why can't they just check the wisconsin circuit court access??? Here's a few links to schools you haven't heard about: Thunder Ranch Gunsite Midwest Training Group Blackwater Strangely enough, that's 4 for 4 of the ones I checked. It seems that every reputable instructor does this. 
Handgun 1 also qualifies attendees for the MN concealed carry permit. I think Greg might want to avoid putting his signature at the bottom of the course certificate, saying a convicted felon just took training from him. Perhaps if you ask respectfully, the WI Court site would be accepted. Except, I don't think it shows mental commitments... |
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Round count for each day? (How much ammo?) handgun 1 course description with round count 1 day tac carbine course description with round count |
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What's with that credentialing BS???? I've never heard of any class requiring that. If they are that worried why can't they just check the wisconsin circuit court access??? When I took my first class with Sully, he accepted a printout from WI CCAP. Unless he changed something, you should be ok with that. I am thinking about this one...need to check my schedule. I need Sully's carbine class as a prereq. for Urban Tactics II....does anyone know if this 1 day carbine will qualify?... |
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What's with that credentialing BS???? I've never heard of any class requiring that. If they are that worried why can't they just check the wisconsin circuit court access??? When I took my first class with Sully, he accepted a printout from WI CCAP. Unless he changed something, you should be ok with that. This. HP, as Glenn_R suggested, it's standard in the industry to request that new student show that they are not prohibited from owning/posessing firearms. Defensive Edge's "credential" requirements are quite loose compared to some others. |
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could "500 rounds of Carbine Ammunition (minimum)" include .22LR conversion kit? No way I am spending ~$200 for ammo + tuition to the class. Just not in our budget Ayup. You'll want some 'real' ammo (I'd imagine a hundere rounds would be more then sufficent) for the longer distance stuff, but Sully has had several folk run .22 conversions in carbine classes to keep ammo costs down. No problem at all. |
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What's with that credentialing BS???? I've never heard of any class requiring that. If they are that worried why can't they just check the wisconsin circuit court access??? As pointed out, it's the industry standard. Sully doesn't cater specifically to the WI crowd, and not all states have a CCAP analog. WIth students coming from several states, it's not really feasable to expect the instructor to do the leg work. |
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could "500 rounds of Carbine Ammunition (minimum)" include .22LR conversion kit? No way I am spending ~$200 for ammo + tuition to the class. Just not in our budget Ayup. You'll want some 'real' ammo (I'd imagine a hundere rounds would be more then sufficent) for the longer distance stuff, but Sully has had several folk run .22 conversions in carbine classes to keep ammo costs down. No problem at all. noice. I'll have to look at the schedule and budget (and hopefully the wife gets a job soon) thanks bubs |
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so do i just walk into my local police station, and ask for ...?
proof of no criminal activity? I have been wanting to take a class, and this looks like a good opportunity to take 2 in a row. I do not have a very good holster, and was thinking about a blackhawk serpa, for a p229. Is this a good choice for a class? also, do i need some kind of magazine holder, for rifle and pistol? what is recommended? |
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so do i just walk into my local police station, and ask for ...? proof of no criminal activity? I have been wanting to take a class, and this looks like a good opportunity to take 2 in a row. I do not have a very good holster, and was thinking about a blackhawk serpa, for a p229. Is this a good choice for a class? also, do i need some kind of magazine holder, for rifle and pistol? what is recommended? check here and print out your search for your name and address. It should be ok, you can always e-mail Sully and ask any questions you may have directly. I run a Uncle Mikes holster for my handgun and have for years. I also have a cheap mag holster for handgun. For carbine I tend to run with extra mags stuffed in my pockets (far from ideal but it works). I would attend a class or two and check out what other people have before running out to buy a bunch of gear that may not work for you, most people will let you check out their gear to see if it is something you might want to get or will even work for you or not. Remember people this is not a high speed class it is a level one class so it might be best to concentrate on the fundamentals before trying to get all the high speed gear that costs a ton of money but when you actually start to use it you find out it will not work for you at all. BTW: personally I prefer the fundamental classes to work on the basics because everything builds off the basics and if those are not up to par then everything you try to build on them will be off. |
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so do i just walk into my local police station, and ask for ...? proof of no criminal activity? I have been wanting to take a class, and this looks like a good opportunity to take 2 in a row. I do not have a very good holster, and was thinking about a blackhawk serpa, for a p229. Is this a good choice for a class? also, do i need some kind of magazine holder, for rifle and pistol? what is recommended? check here and print out your search for your name and address. It should be ok, you can always e-mail Sully and ask any questions you may have directly. I run a Uncle Mikes holster for my handgun and have for years. I also have a cheap mag holster for handgun. For carbine I tend to run with extra mags stuffed in my pockets (far from ideal but it works). I would attend a class or two and check out what other people have before running out to buy a bunch of gear that may not work for you, most people will let you check out their gear to see if it is something you might want to get or will even work for you or not. Remember people this is not a high speed class it is a level one class so it might be best to concentrate on the fundamentals before trying to get all the high speed gear that costs a ton of money but when you actually start to use it you find out it will not work for you at all. BTW: personally I prefer the fundamental classes to work on the basics because everything builds off the basics and if those are not up to par then everything you try to build on them will be off. thanks, that was helpful. 
I am looking forward to a class with 'newbs', and basics. I am a good shot, until I try and shoot and walk at the same time 
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check here and print out your search for your name and address. It should be ok, you can always e-mail Sully and ask any questions you may have directly. I just went there, i dont think it will work. you can't search using name and address. just name and birthdate. the from also says "Evidence of no criminal history from a law enforcement agency." I guess i'll just have to stop at the police station during business hours. edit: https://wi-recordcheck.org/index.html i think this is what i am looking for, the cost is $13 |
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check here and print out your search for your name and address. It should be ok, you can always e-mail Sully and ask any questions you may have directly. I just went there, i dont think it will work. you can't search using name and address. just name and birthdate. the from also says "Evidence of no criminal history from a law enforcement agency." I guess i'll just have to stop at the police station during business hours. edit: https://wi-recordcheck.org/index.html i think this is what i am looking for, the cost is $13 The courts are a law enforcement agency (the ultimate LE agency, in fact). CCAP is acceptable as evidence of criminal history (or lack thereof) and free to boot. Use your first initial, last name and DOB, then narrow it down from there, adding full first, & MI if needed. Any records you pull up will have the address in the details, along with showing disposition. Guys, there are an awful lot of Defensive Edge alumni giving good advice in this thread. Don't ignore it and try to reinvent the wheel. |
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check here and print out your search for your name and address. It should be ok, you can always e-mail Sully and ask any questions you may have directly. I just went there, i dont think it will work. you can't search using name and address. just name and birthdate. the from also says "Evidence of no criminal history from a law enforcement agency." I guess i'll just have to stop at the police station during business hours. edit: https://wi-recordcheck.org/index.html i think this is what i am looking for, the cost is $13 Per Sully, the CCAP printout will work. Otherwise, your county Sherrif's office should be willnig to run a quick letter off stating that you have no criminal record without charge. Dane County did it without hesitation. You can also use any credential which involves a background chesk... out of state CCW permit, EMT license, Guard / watchman permit, etc. Worst case, drop me an IM. |
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Otherwise, your county Sherrif's office should be willnig to run a quick letter off stating that you have no criminal record without charge. Dane County did it without hesitation. yeah, just show up to the lobby of the jail and tell them you have a "reservation" hahahaha. |
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Anyone know if a current MN non-resident permit to carry is good enough credentials??
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You can also use any credential which involves a background chesk... out of state CCW permit, EMT license, Guard / watchman permit, etc. Worst case, drop me an IM. |
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Free Camping At Range Latrines & Water You can spit and hit this camp ground Cliffside Park: located in Caledonia next to the shores of Lake Michigan, is suitable for Recreational Vehicles (RVs) as well as tent-camping. Electricity and water available. RVing isn't camping.  I'll be pinching my pennies and doing all I can to get into the two classes. I've already requested PTO those days (my weekend to work).
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Saving my pennies for this one . Gonna talk to my wife about maybe firing up the grill at my place afterwards if anyone is interested .  It'll be great seeing you there. I'll have my Grail out if you want to run it for a couple of evolutions. Spoke with Sully; Defensive Edge had to discontinue alumni pricing a couple years ago. Reloads are acceptable. However, it's worth noting that we had a reload kaboom at a handgun class a while ago. 
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Saving my pennies for this one . Gonna talk to my wife about maybe firing up the grill at my place afterwards if anyone is interested . It'll be great seeing you there. I'll have my Grail out if you want to run it for a couple of evolutions. Spoke with Sully; Defensive Edge had to discontinue alumni pricing a couple years ago. Reloads are acceptable. However, it's worth noting that we had a reload kaboom at a handgun class a while ago. http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/tommytrauma/kaboom.jpg?t=1235583662  Can you still count to 9 on your fingers?
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Saving my pennies for this one . Gonna talk to my wife about maybe firing up the grill at my place afterwards if anyone is interested . It'll be great seeing you there. I'll have my Grail out if you want to run it for a couple of evolutions. Spoke with Sully; Defensive Edge had to discontinue alumni pricing a couple years ago. Reloads are acceptable. However, it's worth noting that we had a reload kaboom at a handgun class a while ago. http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/tommytrauma/kaboom.jpg?t=1235583662 Can you still count to 9 on your fingers?This was not TommyTrauma, it was anouther student and he was not injured but sure did scare the heck out of a lot of people when it happened. |
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I looked at that guy's Model 19 before the class. It was a neat nickel plated model. I was standing off to the side of the firing line and felt the concussion when the thing exploded.
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Saving my pennies for this one . Gonna talk to my wife about maybe firing up the grill at my place afterwards if anyone is interested . http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/tommytrauma/kaboom.jpg?t=1235583662 |
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I looked at that guy's Model 19 before the class. It was a neat nickel plated model. I was standing off to the side of the firing line and felt the concussion when the thing exploded. Quoted:
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Saving my pennies for this one . Gonna talk to my wife about maybe firing up the grill at my place afterwards if anyone is interested . http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q115/tommytrauma/kaboom.jpg?t=1235583662 I'm still amazed no one was seriously injured. |
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could "500 rounds of Carbine Ammunition (minimum)" include .22LR conversion kit? No way I am spending ~$200 for ammo + tuition to the class. Just not in our budget Ayup. You'll want some 'real' ammo (I'd imagine a hundere rounds would be more then sufficent) for the longer distance stuff, but Sully has had several folk run .22 conversions in carbine classes to keep ammo costs down. No problem at all. What about paper ones? YouTube Link |
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do they really need to know your blood type? are they going to have various pints on hand JIC? Dosen't seem like its really necessary  This is just to let you know this is some serious buisnezzz!!!!
Someone else can answer this perhaps, but when I asked about it, (b/c I don't know my blood type) I was told not to worry b/c if there was an emergency you would be tested before any transfusions. |
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do they really need to know your blood type? are they going to have various pints on hand JIC? Dosen't seem like its really necessary This is just to let you know this is some serious buisnezzz!!!!
Someone else can answer this perhaps, but when I asked about it, (b/c I don't know my blood type) I was told not to worry b/c if there was an emergency you would be tested before any transfusions. Indeed. Regardless of dog tags, cool high-speed blood type tapes on gear, etc, no patient in the US, or under US military medical care is going to receive type specific blood until they are typed and cross matched. In extremis, they will receive type O, usually O-neg, until a type and cross can be run. Why usually but not always O-neg, you ask? I'm glad you asked. O neg is the universal doner, and thus offers the least chance of mismatch problems. There are other factors that can affect things, primarially how quickly the body will break down the donor blood, but O-neg works in a pinch. You can take a Rh neg patient and give them O-positive, and all that will happen (hopefully and most of the time) is the body will destroy and excrete those red cells over the next few weeks. The huge caviat is pregnant women. If you give a Rh neg pregnant woman Rh positive blood, you can end up with an Rh positive baby in the womb of a Rh neg mother. Bad thing. So, every once in a while, you'll run into a blood bank that uses O-positive as the 'universal' stuff for males, allowing them to save on the O-neg which is the only untyped / crossed blood you can safely give to a potentially child bearing female. Almost all the time in the US though, it's O-neg for everyone until type and cross. (The O-pos vs O-neg thing came up in another thread recently, and I ended up asking 91K about it. 91K is a combat medic turned lab tech / blood banking wonk, with two deployments. The response re O-pos for males was met with "wow, I didn't know anyone still did that", so I guess it's a dying practice.) So yeah, I wouldn't worry about not knowing your blood type. Sully and I have discussed this issue before, and the question is simply a hold over from an earlier version of the form which will be removed in the next revision. Go ahead and leave it blank if you need to. Now you also know why medical types giggle a little whenever we see people wearing blood type tapes, writing what they believe to be their blood type on their gear, etc. What really is handy yo know though is pertinent medical hx, especially allergies. Trivia for the day; When I was active duty in the mid '80s, it was estimated that 20% of the blood types listed on dog tags were incorrect. After I seperated, I worked as a phlebotomist, and typed patients regularly. Has a lot of patients who were sure of their blood type turn out wrong. |
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For you guys that have taken classes at RCLRC/Driftless in the past, I'm slowly getting photo galleries up from different classes. I only have one up right now but here is the link. Sorry the entire site is not done yet it's a work in progress.
linky I should have more up in the next week or two. |