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Originally Posted By koz4guns: How much did Ruger charge for the frame? I forget what they originally quoted me, but it was in the $200 ballpark. Knowing I was probably going to swap all the guts anyways, I asked if they could sell me a mostly stripped frame for cheaper. After holding for about 10 minutes the Ruger rep came back and told me it'd be like $80 shipped (I don't have the invoice handy and they didn't email one, I only have the packing slip with invoice somewhere). To my surprise I received a complete frame ready to plug and play. |
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Originally Posted By DakotaFAL: Don’t get all butt hurt over it. Many of us just don’t see the point in trying to turn a Ruger Mk 1-4 into something it just isn’t. As noted several times in this thread, that double stack .22 LR niche is pretty well covered by other manufacturers at a lower price point. There’s no upside in it for Ruger. If Ruger tried to appease those customers, they’d also want it to be optics ready, have a rail, etc. Then they’d still complain about the price and buy something else. You seem more wound up than him. All the Rugers are drilled and tapped and many come with rails already. I absolutely believe that many people would prefer to buy an American made high cap gun over a Taurus. Lots of people thought Ruger shouldn't get into the AR market because it was saturated and yet they've done really well there. An OEM like Ruger could manufacture a high cap version for roughly the same cost as the normal one because of the scale they operate at. One thing a lot of people don't really get is that when you have a really big company like Ruger there are people and stores that will buy everything you make. You could have a store that only sold Ruger and cover most of the market. |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: You seem more wound up than him. All the Rugers are drilled and tapped and many come with rails already. I absolutely believe that many people would prefer to buy an American made high cap gun over a Taurus. Lots of people thought Ruger shouldn't get into the AR market because it was saturated and yet they've done really well there. An OEM like Ruger could manufacture a high cap version for roughly the same cost as the normal one because of the scale they operate at. One thing a lot of people don't really get is that when you have a really big company like Ruger there are people and stores that will buy everything you make. You could have a store that only sold Ruger and cover most of the market. The TX-22’s are made in America. Also Taurus is one of the highest selling pistol brands on the planet. I don’t think they are any less of a household name than Ruger is. Just saying. |
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Originally Posted By TactiCoolBro: The TX-22’s are made in America. Also Taurus is one of the highest selling pistol brands on the planet. I don’t think they are any less of a household name than Ruger is. Just saying. I forgot they make a bunch of stuff here and the Sig is made here as well. Taurus may be as well known as Ruger they are absolutely not thought of as the same quality and never will be. |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I forgot they make a bunch of stuff here and the Sig is made here as well. Taurus may be as well known as Ruger they are absolutely not thought of as the same quality and never will be. Never said they were the same quality. Although they’re certainly getting much better. But you also didn’t word anything in your post strictly around quality either. IMO Ruger has plenty of product lines that are mediocre at best, but that’s just me. Taurus is doing an incredible job of turning their quality issues around since Bret joined. Some of their product lines are actually quite good and their QC issues have dramatically decreased. For the sake of this conversation, I’d say generally speaking a MK IV is a considerably better quality gun than a TX-22. But the price also reflects that. Like I’ve said before, Ruger isn’t losing sales to Taurus because the TX-22 has better mag capacity. They’re losing sales to Taurus because the TX-22 costs half what a MK IV does. The two simply don’t compete in the same price segment, and for good reason. |
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Originally Posted By DakotaFAL: Don’t get all butt hurt over it. Many of us just don’t see the point in trying to turn a Ruger Mk 1-4 into something it just isn’t. As noted several times in this thread, that double stack .22 LR niche is pretty well covered by other manufacturers at a lower price point. There’s no upside in it for Ruger. If Ruger tried to appease those customers, they’d also want it to be optics ready, have a rail, etc. Then they’d still complain about the price and buy something else. Like he said, that close minded thinking is right at home with the fudds on RFC |
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Originally Posted By TactiCoolBro: I don’t have a MK IV, but I have a Black Mamba (build on a MK IV frame) and there’s absolutely, positively, no way in hell that any .22lr revolver in existence is more fun to shoot than that gun is lol. Can’t imagine there’s many, if any, .22lr pistols period that are more fun that that thing is. You say shit like that, yet you don't post pictures? |
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Originally Posted By TactiCoolBro: Also Taurus is one of the highest selling pistol brands on the planet. I don’t think they are any less of a household name than Ruger is. Just saying.   Thanks. Needed a good laugh to start off my Monday. |
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Originally Posted By TactiCoolBro: I’m glad facts are so amusing to you and that I could provide a laugh. Originally Posted By TactiCoolBro: Originally Posted By JThompson: Thanks. Needed a good laugh to start off my Monday. I’m glad facts are so amusing to you and that I could provide a laugh. Without proof it's hearsay. |
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Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: Without proof it's hearsay. I think I’ll pass on doing your research work for you. I really couldn’t GAF less if it’s that hard for you to believe. Taurus is a massive company. They are in the top 10 highest selling manufacturers of pistols on the planet. Fuck outta here with your “pRoOf oR iTs jUsT hEaRsaY. |
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Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: Without proof it's hearsay. Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: Without proof it's hearsay. Here are some of the top pistol manufacturers in the United States: Manufacture 2022 sales SIG SAUER 1,048,432 Ruger 692,655 Smith & Wesson 626,461 GLOCK 465,117 Taurus 287,650 Springfield 258,101 Looks like top 5. Gov't contracts likely pumping up Sig's #'s |
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Originally Posted By s4s4u: Looks like top 5. Gov't contracts likely pumping up Sig's #'s With all the other companies Taurus owns, yes, it’s top 5. But strictly Taurus branded pistols, top 10. Not sure why it’s so hard for so many people in here to believe without MuH pRoOf. Sounds like a bunch of Gen z liberals any time someone says the slightest thing they don’t like. Edit: Sigs numbers are absolutely over inflated by govt weapons. Not to mention Sig makes a lot more than just pistols, unlike Taurus. I guarantee you 90% of people who know of or have heard of Ruger absolutely have heard of or know of Taurus. |
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Originally Posted By TactiCoolBro: I think I’ll pass on doing your research work for you. I really couldn’t GAF less if it’s that hard for you to believe. Taurus is a massive company. They are in the top 10 highest selling manufacturers of pistols on the planet. Fuck outta here with your “pRoOf oR iTs jUsT hEaRsaY. The butthurt is strong with this one |
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Let's get this back on track. With the advances in 3D printing I'd like to at minimum see stripped 22/45 frames printed. Then maybe design or modify a TX-22 mag, cut the top off and graft on a 22/45 mag top half. Similar to Stealth Arms Platypus. Could maybe even pitch the idea to those guys. I'm going to def call Ruger and see if I can get a frame from them. Wirthwein sells frames but they costs more than a complete pistol... I have an upper half that was orphaned when I built out my night time tactical mkIV |
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I agree, a metal framed higher capacity 22/45 MKIV (preferably with a 5" slab side barrel) is damn near my grail gun. The frame bothers me just as much as the capacity. I mean if they can make a metal framed standard MK for the same price as the 22/45's then there is no reason that can't offer a metal framed 22/45. That said, while Ruger might surprise us, I'm not holding my breath. ETA - I do already have the TX22 and P322 and while I love the capacity of them and integrated optic mounts, I still prefer the 22/45 overall so if I could get a metal framed high capacity 22/45, I'd probably get rid of a lot of my other rimfire pistols |
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Originally Posted By airgunner: ETA - I do already have the TX22 and P322 and while I love the capacity of them and integrated optic mounts, I still prefer the 22/45 overall so if I could get a metal framed high capacity 22/45, I'd probably get rid of a lot of my other rimfire pistols Since one may never materialize, which of the two listed is your go to and which would you sell if you had to sell one? |
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Originally Posted By JThompson: Since one may never materialize, which of the two listed is your go to and which would you sell if you had to sell one? I'd keep the P322 and sell the TX22 for a few reasons. I am a self admitted Sig fanboi but beyond that, the Sig fits me better and it has higher capacity (with the flush mags) and is optic ready. It also has a thicker barrel which may not matter but I still prefer it. Neither gun is "finely crafted" but the Sig does seems a little better made but that could be my bias for Sig? I never thought I'd own a Taurus and the TX is still the only Taurus I do own or would consider owning. All that said, if I had the newer Toro version of the TX, it might be different story? The Toro model is optic ready and I believe the barrel is threaded in way that doesn't require you to remove the thread adaptor to remove the slide for cleaning? That's pretty cool if true so and might be enough to change my mind? I probably giving my TX to one of my kids but if I happen across a Toro model new for under $300, I might pick it up just to see? That's what I did with my current TX22, got it for $275 and probably would have remained happy with it if the P322 never came out. |
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Originally Posted By Plumber576: Ruger WILL sell you a MkIV 22/45 grip. I purchased one of the $40 uppers from the Volquartsen Clearance Page then called Ruger and asked for a 22/45 grip. They asked me for the serial number for the upper then my credit card number. Took a little less than 2 months and shipped it directly to my front door, as the upper is the serialized part. Sounds like you may be referring to the MkIII, which I understand is out of production. If you have a MkIII w/o removable grip panels and would like a factory frame, you may want to check out Wirthwein. Not cheap, but cheaper than a VQ frame. Sounds like they may have changed their policies. This was back before the Mk IV came out, and yes, it was for the Mk III 22/45. I picked up a good used model with the non removable grip panels and waned the grip frame that used 1911 grip panels, as they looked so much better. I called ruger and asked to purchase one and they refused. They said if mine was damaged, they would replace it, but it would be the exact same one that was on it, I could not request a different one. They said they do not sell grip frames. I posted a thread on RC and they all said the same thing. Seems some people would grind off the sides some, then install 1911 grip bushings and panels, but it was not very strong as the plastic was thin. I ended up selling it and buying a new one with the wood grip panels already on it. Still have it and actually shot it yesterday. |
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Originally Posted By koz4guns: How much did Ruger charge for the frame? Originally Posted By koz4guns: Originally Posted By Plumber576: Ruger WILL sell you a MkIV 22/45 grip. I purchased one of the $40 uppers from the Volquartsen Clearance Page then called Ruger and asked for a 22/45 grip. They asked me for the serial number for the upper then my credit card number. Took a little less than 2 months and shipped it directly to my front door, as the upper is the serialized part. Sounds like you may be referring to the MkIII, which I understand is out of production. If you have a MkIII w/o removable grip panels and would like a factory frame, you may want to check out Wirthwein. Not cheap, but cheaper than a VQ frame. How much did Ruger charge for the frame? Definitely interested in this as well. Have been debating buying one of these uppers to 3D printing a lower of my design to take another magazine. But definitely will be sending Ruger an email. Really dumb that they never decided to offer a model with an upgraded magazine capacity. It's not like the 10 round version would go away. Edit: didn't see the price was answered on the second page as there was no second page loading at first. Hopefully will get lucky and get a complete frame for $80 as well. |
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Originally Posted By JestersHK: Let's get this back on track. With the advances in 3D printing I'd like to at minimum see stripped 22/45 frames printed. Then maybe design or modify a TX-22 mag, cut the top off and graft on a 22/45 mag top half. Similar to Stealth Arms Platypus. Could maybe even pitch the idea to those guys. I'm going to def call Ruger and see if I can get a frame from them. Wirthwein sells frames but they costs more than a complete pistol... I have an upper half that was orphaned when I built out my night time tactical mkIV I would buy that. |
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Originally Posted By postpostban: I would buy that. Originally Posted By postpostban: Originally Posted By JestersHK: Let's get this back on track. With the advances in 3D printing I'd like to at minimum see stripped 22/45 frames printed. Then maybe design or modify a TX-22 mag, cut the top off and graft on a 22/45 mag top half. Similar to Stealth Arms Platypus. Could maybe even pitch the idea to those guys. I'm going to def call Ruger and see if I can get a frame from them. Wirthwein sells frames but they costs more than a complete pistol... I have an upper half that was orphaned when I built out my night time tactical mkIV I would buy that. MeToo |
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As I just posted on RFC... The mag capacity laws are irrelevant. Just pin 'em, and you're GTG. Look at S&W with the M&P 15-22. Their MD legal mags are just their regular mags pinned at 10 rounds. I'm with you OP. It's been shown that reliable mags can be made (heck, if Taurus can do it...). Other than die-hard, "set in their ways" types, there is no downside. |
| The Fudds at Ruger are too stupid to see if they would make a 2011 frame that holds a shit ton of 22 rounds, the guns would be flying off the shelves. As long as the guns are hunks of fucks, they would fly off the shelves. A 5'' 2011 would make an excellent steel challenge gun |
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Originally Posted By shindawia6: The Fudds at Ruger are too stupid to see if they would make a 2011 frame that holds a shit ton of 22 rounds, the guns would be flying off the shelves. As long as the guns are hunks of fucks, they would fly off the shelves. A 5'' 2011 would make an excellent steel challenge gun Agreed |
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Originally Posted By Switchback_Arms: Agreed Originally Posted By Switchback_Arms: Originally Posted By shindawia6: The Fudds at Ruger are too stupid to see if they would make a 2011 frame that holds a shit ton of 22 rounds, the guns would be flying off the shelves. As long as the guns are hunks of fucks, they would fly off the shelves. A 5'' 2011 would make an excellent steel challenge gun Agreed Thank you. Reminder, again, to reach out to Ruger with this opinion with links in the first post. |
 Fingers crossed the MkIV 22/11 prophecy is coming true. |
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Patent for Ruger double-stack magazine. The pictures show a MkIV. |
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Originally Posted By Ewald: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The_Ruger_Letter_of_1989/5-482238/ Bill Ruger himself was one of the first people to promote nation wide mag cap bans. It took over twenty years, his death, and the sunset of the 94' crime bill for Ruger as a company to recover. This they won't change. |
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Some pictures from this patent Whether or not this is the Ruger/Magpul announcement, what I want exists with Ruger.     
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Originally Posted By Plumber576:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeJDJZnXQAA16vH?format=jpg&name=900x900 Fingers crossed the MkIV 22/11 prophecy is coming true. Holy shit, fingers crossed. I saw the announcement, but didn't even consider the MkIV possibility until I saw it posted in this thread. |
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I've owned several Ruger .22 pistols. The primary reason that I don’t anymore, and have zero plans to get another, is magazine capacity. If Taurus, Sig-Sauer, & Kel-Tec can do it, Ruger could if they wanted. If they (Ruger) introduced a MK pistol with 15 or greater mag cap, I'd buy one in a second. Mmmmmmm, crow. It's what's for dinner.  Scored a deal on a MkIV Tactical and couldn't resist. |