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6/12/2020 5:15:28 PM EDT
[#1]
I like the SN, I plan on getting a Caspian frame with MC and my MOS. That looks great!
6/12/2020 6:11:02 PM EDT
[#2]
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Originally Posted By NapeSticksToKids:


I did this project fully wanting to use the shit out of it like a good combat pistol. Now that I have it in my hands, part of me doesn’t want to fire it!
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Choot it!!!!
6/12/2020 8:05:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fordtough25:


Choot it!!!!
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"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
6/13/2020 8:25:54 AM EDT
[#4]
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Originally Posted By SlinginBrass:
@Pleaforwar

I'll check those out. Thanks for the info, sir.

@Infidel4life11

Thanks for the suggestions, sir. I'm in Atlanta, so I'll look for local Nitriding services. Hope someone local offers it. Yeah, Surefire 310Rs are super hard to find, without having to pay loco money. Best I ever did was found one almost new in box (had only been mounted to pistol for a few months, then I bought it. Even though it was technically used, it was in MINT condition). I got it for $125 shipped. So, they can be found at reasonable prices. I actually have a clone of a Surefire 310 / 610. Only difference between the 310 / 610 and 310R / 610R is the switch on the housing of the light. The "R" models have the constant on / off rocker switch. The non "R" models have the monetary on / off sliding switch. It is a clone (which I think even the clones are discontinued now), but I was able to obtain a laser products label for the body to make it look legit. It's made of aluminum just like the real thing. IM me if you're interested in it. Would at least be a good place holder until you find a legit 310R.

You could also be on the lookout for a Surefire 607R or 307R, which was made for the Para Ordnance 1911s. Only difference between them is the Slimline grip switch. The 310R / 610R has the one that bolts into the upper grip screws. The 607R / 307R simply "clamps" around the front of the grip and the pressure switch has a very stiff metal flat spring that runs the length between the grip and back of the light. That is what provides the clamping force of the light against the frame, unlike the 310R / 610R that uses the grub screw, which when overtightened against the trigger guard would cause the slide stop to not lock the slide back reliably.

The light on the pistol that Travis Haley built is NOT a 610R. It's actually the 607R I mentioned above.

@Dunderway

Is does look similar to the profile of a Heinie ledge that Infidel4life11 mentioned, but I agree it looks more like a modified Novak meant for easier one handed racking off clothing / shoes. I say that, because comparing the gun Travis Haley built to the Heinie Ledge sight, the Haley version looks "thinner" or more low profile, as well as the rear part of the sight looks narrower. Also, look at the front corners of the Haley sight (mainly thee chamfers), just above the dovetail and compares it the Heinie ledge.
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@SlingingBrass I PM’d you
Retired Army OIF/OEF
NEEDED: Surefire 310r, Dawson Rail for 1911, USGI 1911a1 Frame
6/14/2020 12:03:44 PM EDT
[#5]
I have reproduction parts available in my web store.  https://kcskustomcreations.com/shop/  I will be adding a complete fire control set in the next week or so.
6/14/2020 12:23:44 PM EDT
[#6]
I can do your stainless steel bluing for the barrel and busing.

KC
843-267-3773
[email protected]
6/20/2020 6:26:03 PM EDT
[#7]
What’s the correct thing to write on the Weapon Record Book for type of weapon? I’ve seen in several ways as follows:

MEUSOC M45
MEUSOC M-45
M45 MEUSOC
M-45 MEUSOC
1911 MEUSOC

What’s the correct thing to write?

6/20/2020 6:39:07 PM EDT
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6/20/2020 8:01:37 PM EDT
[#9]
Is that for the tan model with the rail?
6/20/2020 8:10:40 PM EDT
[#10]
No thats the original Springfield. The Colt is called the M45A1.

6/20/2020 9:04:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Infidel4life11][Edited] [#11]
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Originally Posted By SlinginBrass:
Is that for the tan model with the rail?
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M45 CQBP is the “MEUSOC” we all know and love

ICQB was the interim Kimber and SACS guns

M45a1 CQBP is the later/current Colt pistol
Retired Army OIF/OEF
NEEDED: Surefire 310r, Dawson Rail for 1911, Caspian or Series 70 1911a1
6/21/2020 9:15:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SlinginBrass][Edited] [#12]
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Originally Posted By Infidel4life11:


M45 CQBP is the “MEUSOC” we all know and love

ICQB was the interim Kimber and SACS guns

M45a1 CQBP is the later/current Colt pistol
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Thank you for clarifying. 🙂


Also, does anyone have experience with this barrel?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/223948803088
6/21/2020 9:57:44 AM EDT
[#13]
@SlinginBrass

No experience with the barrel, but if you want clone correct you'd need to go with Bar-sto, Nowlin, or Wilson. I think there were SACS guns that had SACS barrels, but I don't think those are for sale individually.

If you're just going with a clone built on appearance, I personally would stay away from eBay finds. Who knows what you'll end up with.

Here's an alternative, albeit without a link and bushing.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1005750970
Luke 2:14

6/21/2020 10:46:50 AM EDT
[#14]
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Originally Posted By Infidel4life11:


M45 CQBP is the “MEUSOC” we all know and love

ICQB was the interim Kimber and SACS guns

M45a1 CQBP is the later/current Colt pistol
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Technically speaking here, the MEU(SOC) 1911 came from the 80s/90s whenever they first starting to build them up until about 2009/10. That was with the USGI frame and Springfield Armory slides (Mil-spec and earlier model slides)

In 2009 when they switched to the Caspian frame (SN MCXXX) with Springfield slides (the Loaded model slide along with the Operator slide) is when they renamed it the M45.  


In marking the books I have a picture of a buddies record book from 2010 when he was with Force Recon that read "M1911A1 MEUSOC .45CAL".
6/21/2020 3:31:56 PM EDT
[#15]
Is there anyone in the central VA area with a 2112 built MEUSOC I could check out?
6/22/2020 8:22:35 AM EDT
[#16]
I have a few in Spotsylvania
6/22/2020 8:24:26 AM EDT
[#17]
Nape Shoot it!!
6/22/2020 10:02:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Toftwo:
I have a few in Spotsylvania
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No shit? I’m in Orange.
6/22/2020 1:10:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Toftwo][Edited] [#19]
Cool, I may be able to help you out with some Gen 4 parts. PM me and let me know what you need.
6/26/2020 10:30:52 PM EDT
[#20]
Buddy brought a Colt CQBP into work today and looked at them side by side. Definitely a fan of the original more. The craftsmanship difference is very apparent while handling them.


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6/27/2020 3:34:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Infidel4life11][Edited] [#21]
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Originally Posted By NapeSticksToKids:
Buddy brought a Colt CQBP into work today and looked at them side by side. Definitely a fan of the original more. The craftsmanship difference is very apparent while handling them.


https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/81328/6C32E67C-A5C1-44C5-9732-E4A95D8DFDE0_jpe-1478610.JPG
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Bruh, I love it.

Don’t get me wrong the Colt CQBP holds a special place in my heart but the MC kinda dicked that up. They could have easily gone for what Colt is putting out now with front strap texture and better internals. No clue why they would select an 80series gun.

ETA: I should be ordering my Caspian receiver soon, already got the slide.
Retired Army OIF/OEF
NEEDED: Surefire 310r, Dawson Rail for 1911, Caspian or Series 70 1911a1
6/27/2020 4:13:55 AM EDT
[#22]




Retired Army OIF/OEF
NEEDED: Surefire 310r, Dawson Rail for 1911, Caspian or Series 70 1911a1
6/28/2020 9:17:27 PM EDT
[#23]
I love the build pics!
6/28/2020 11:37:57 PM EDT
[#24]




Retired Army OIF/OEF
NEEDED: Surefire 310r, Dawson Rail for 1911, Caspian or Series 70 1911a1
6/29/2020 12:18:23 AM EDT
[#25]
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Nice
"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
6/30/2020 11:48:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TPNES][Edited] [#26]
Here's my M45 CQBP! Serial is stock, not a custom engraving. Thoughts @Augee ?




6/30/2020 12:08:39 PM EDT
[#27]
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Originally Posted By TPNES:
Here's my M45 CQBP! Serial is stock, not a custom engraving. Thoughts @Augee ?

https://iili.io/Jmq9qJ.md.jpg
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No SACS engraving? What barrel is that?
Luke 2:14

6/30/2020 12:12:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Parabellum226:
As far as the professional models go, the information I gathered was as follows:



1. Not very many were provided;

2. They were provided with S&A lanyard loop magwells;

3. Magwells were replaced with flat lanyard MSHs, and wilson safeties were replaced with 201As... hammers and beavertails appear to have been retained;

4. Pachmayr grips went on... I believe these pros did not have front strap checkering;

5. Front cocking serrations were cut, and slides were refinished (frames were kept black t until the entire gun needed to be refinished); and

6. These models had the early blocky dustcover and less detailed rollmarks.



I've only seen about 7 pictures or so.
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Happy to take photos for you of one if it will contribute to this thread. Slowly trying to sift through the 56 pages of content to get caught up to speed.
6/30/2020 12:32:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TPNES][Edited] [#29]
No SACS markings anywhere, no PROFESSIONAL on the slide. Just Springfield Armory on starboard side and MODEL 1911-A1 CAL .45 on port side. From what I understand (correct me if I am wrong) this run was done by the Springfield Custom Shop for an order of 150 Professional slide/frames to be made into M45's for MARSOC.

Nowlin engraved barrel, Novak's engraved sight (plain, no markings or tritium vials). Finish is what appears to be parkerizing though a little less chalky, a little more black.
6/30/2020 4:47:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TPNES:


Happy to take photos for you of one if it will contribute to this thread. Slowly trying to sift through the 56 pages of content to get caught up to speed.
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I never say no to more 1911 pictures
6/30/2020 6:17:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TPNES][Edited] [#31]
What angles/close ups, short of tearing the gun completely down, would help you figure out which parts the SACS Professional to M45 build used?
6/30/2020 9:16:31 PM EDT
[#32]
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Originally Posted By TPNES:
Here's my M45 CQBP! Serial is stock, not a custom engraving. Thoughts @Augee ?

https://iili.io/Jmq9qJ.md.jpg
https://iili.io/Jmfpsa.md.jpg
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That’s pretty cool
Retired Army OIF/OEF
NEEDED: Surefire 310r, Dawson Rail for 1911, Caspian or Series 70 1911a1
6/30/2020 9:38:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Infidel4life11][Edited] [#33]
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Originally Posted By TPNES:
What angles/close ups, short of tearing the gun completely down, would help you figure out which parts the SACS Professional to M45 build used?
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I’m not speaking from first hand knowledge of the USMC serialized guns. Just some observations I’ve seen.

I don’t think a “Professional” model was delivered to the USMC. I believe Springfield built them a number pistols.

Just from observation it looks like:
Hand fit Slide and Frame used in the custom shop.
Hand fit Noland barrel and bushing.
Actual Novak sights front and back. Assembly line guns have “Novak Style” and front dovetail is cut different
Trigger is tuned.
Most of everything else is standard Springfield parts, from what I’m visually seeing.
I hope you have hard (not MIM) ignition parts. That would be outstanding.

These parts came off a SACS gun. They are all MIM and are identical to what’s on a loaded




Retired Army OIF/OEF
NEEDED: Surefire 310r, Dawson Rail for 1911, Caspian or Series 70 1911a1
7/1/2020 10:27:35 PM EDT
[#34]




Retired Army OIF/OEF
NEEDED: Surefire 310r, Dawson Rail for 1911, Caspian or Series 70 1911a1
7/1/2020 10:39:53 PM EDT
[#35]
He did great, can’t wait to send him mine!
7/1/2020 10:50:22 PM EDT
[#36]
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Originally Posted By Parabellum226:
He did great, can’t wait to send him mine!
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Going to send a slide and Caspian receiver next and turn him loose on a 100% correct build.
Retired Army OIF/OEF
NEEDED: Surefire 310r, Dawson Rail for 1911, Caspian or Series 70 1911a1
7/1/2020 11:42:24 PM EDT
[#37]
Same plan here. Got in on a group MC serial buy with some friends. Goal is to have a 100% correct build too with some exceptions.
7/3/2020 12:24:34 PM EDT
[#39]
It isn’t a “professional” in the sense that the specific moniker is for FBI contract and civilian consumer pistols. However it is a SACS build off of the parts used in a Professional, with the M45 specifics added on such as the Pach grips etc.

When I called Springfield they did say the USMC serialized “M45” pictured here was a SACS build off of a “FBI frame and FBI slide” with other details of the build parts. They didn’t have ANY other information regarding the build other than it’s spec sheet, which would make sense given where the finished product was sent to.
7/3/2020 1:51:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TPNES:
It isn’t a “professional” in the sense that the specific moniker is for FBI contract and civilian consumer pistols. However it is a SACS build off of the parts used in a Professional, with the M45 specifics added on such as the Pach grips etc.

When I called Springfield they did say the USMC serialized “M45” pictured here was a SACS build off of a “FBI frame and FBI slide” with other details of the build parts. They didn’t have ANY other information regarding the build other than it’s spec sheet, which would make sense given where the finished product was sent to.
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This was my impression as well. Built like the professional without the moniker. I’d own one in a heartbeat.
Retired Army OIF/OEF
NEEDED: Surefire 310r, Dawson Rail for 1911, Caspian or Series 70 1911a1
7/3/2020 6:52:44 PM EDT
[#41]
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Mail call. Word of caution folks, don't order MidwayUSA free shipping right now, it's all sorts of f-ed up. All I have remaining is the disconnecter, which is gonna take a minute from C&S.

Side question folks - is there any record of checkered MSH's vs. serrated? I thought checkered were used as well but all I'm seeing lately is serrated. I have a S&A MSH that I was going to use for this.




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Originally Posted By TPNES:
No SACS markings anywhere, no PROFESSIONAL on the slide. Just Springfield Armory on starboard side and MODEL 1911-A1 CAL .45 on port side. From what I understand (correct me if I am wrong) this run was done by the Springfield Custom Shop for an order of 150 Professional slide/frames to be made into M45's for MARSOC.

Nowlin engraved barrel, Novak's engraved sight (plain, no markings or tritium vials). Finish is what appears to be parkerizing though a little less chalky, a little more black.
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Roger, IIRC Springfield made that run in 2008. Is that when you got it? Nice MEUSOC man.
Luke 2:14

7/3/2020 7:38:20 PM EDT
[#42]
They definitely at least had the Professional slides on a number of there builds, The added forward serrations by PWS took out part of the word professional on them.  But you could still clearly see part of the words.  If memory serves me correctly, Pat Rogers said they took delivery of approximately 150 professional models.
7/3/2020 7:59:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By rigde:
They definitely at least had the Professional slides on a number of there builds, The added forward serrations by PWS took out part of the word professional on them.  But you could still clearly see part of the words.  If memory serves me correctly, Pat Rogers said they took delivery of approximately 150 professional models.
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The professional rollmark was on the left side opposite the ejection port. Fcs didn't effect it.
"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
7/3/2020 8:24:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TPNES][Edited] [#44]
Got it recently from Larry Vickers, it was a originally a gift to him from MARSOC. Its the one featured in his Vickers Guide on 1911's pictured here (on the right).

EDIT: Sorry for the "flex". But figured it would be appreciated in this thread.

7/3/2020 8:49:28 PM EDT
[#45]
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Originally Posted By Pleaforwar:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/204956/meusoc_jpeg-1488534.JPG


Mail call. Word of caution folks, don't order MidwayUSA free shipping right now, it's all sorts of f-ed up. All I have remaining is the disconnecter, which is gonna take a minute from C&S.

Side question folks - is there any record of checkered MSH's vs. serrated? I thought checkered were used as well but all I'm seeing lately is serrated. I have a S&A MSH that I was going to use for this.






Roger, IIRC Springfield made that run in 2008. Is that when you got it? Nice MEUSOC man.
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I believe only the Springfield built ones had a checkered MSH, I could be wrong though.
7/3/2020 11:05:09 PM EDT
[#46]
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Originally Posted By TPNES:
Got it recently from Larry Vickers, it was a originally a gift to him from MARSOC. Its the one featured in his Vickers Guide on 1911's pictured here (on the right).

EDIT: Sorry for the "flex". But figured it would be appreciated in this thread.

https://i.ibb.co/XDGxRfb/DSC-4033-Edit.jpg
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Not a flex at all, badass pistol man.
Luke 2:14

7/4/2020 1:42:37 AM EDT
[#47]
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Originally Posted By TPNES:
Got it recently from Larry Vickers, it was a originally a gift to him from MARSOC. Its the one featured in his Vickers Guide on 1911's pictured here (on the right).

EDIT: Sorry for the "flex". But figured it would be appreciated in this thread.

https://i.ibb.co/XDGxRfb/DSC-4033-Edit.jpg
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Not at all I appreciate your contribution
Retired Army OIF/OEF
NEEDED: Surefire 310r, Dawson Rail for 1911, Caspian or Series 70 1911a1
7/4/2020 1:45:30 AM EDT
[#48]
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Originally Posted By rigde:
They definitely at least had the Professional slides on a number of there builds, The added forward serrations by PWS took out part of the word professional on them.  But you could still clearly see part of the words.  If memory serves me correctly, Pat Rogers said they took delivery of approximately 150 professional models.
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I think you are thinking of the “Springfield custom” markings on the front that FCS’s were cut over by PWS
Retired Army OIF/OEF
NEEDED: Surefire 310r, Dawson Rail for 1911, Caspian or Series 70 1911a1
7/5/2020 1:11:04 PM EDT
[#49]
Hey pleaforwar,

The only ones I saw (in pictures) as having checkered mainspring housings were the Kimber ICQB, the Springfield custom shop “USMC” serial guns as pictured above, and the Quasi-Professional builds  (these came with a checkered S&A magwell with lanyard loop and were later changed).
7/5/2020 1:32:47 PM EDT
[#50]
@Parabellum226

Much appreciated. Looks like I have some shopping to do.
Luke 2:14

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