Posted: 8/6/2015 3:20:02 PM EDT
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Anyone have some good ones? Tips and tricks? How to's?
I have been decently successful in replicating the Tree Bark pattern look like what Bowie Tactical does, but it still seems kind of slick. I never finish sanded it, so that might explain it. There are some good ones on YouTube, but I am interested to see what anyone here has. |
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IMO, the best stipple jobs are the ones that are random don't have a pattern. I think they look the best and are probably easier to produce clean, professionals result with. If you go with a fixed pattern, every little mistake will show and detract from the appearance
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I've made some attempts.
On my test platform here I have two. The top is a replicated tree bark and the bottom is one I made up. I have nothing to compare to though so I am not sure if either is any good... Any input is appreciated. They both feel really good but the made up one seems to have more grip on all directions while the tree bark is great horizontally but not vertically 
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I am doing a WIP right now for customizing a glock. I showed some stipplie patterns on a PMAG with tips on how I made them. I will be stippling my glock in the next week or so. I am starting the slide machining tonight.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_13/161820_Glock_17_DIY_Custom__WIP_.html |
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I've dabbled in the stippling for some time, for me this pattern does this pattern fits best, I can carry it right next to my skin with no discomfort and it provides excellent grip and texture. http://i.imgur.com/G4G00YB.jpg How do you get the border so distinct? Process? Bits used? Unless you are keeping it super secret. |
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I've dabbled in the stippling for some time, for me this pattern does this pattern fits best, I can carry it right next to my skin with no discomfort and it provides excellent grip and texture. http://i.imgur.com/G4G00YB.jpg How do you get the border so distinct? Process? Bits used? Unless you are keeping it super secret. +1 I too am curious. It looks like you cut into it a little and removed material then stippled where the material was removed. I wonder how Bowie Tactical does it? |
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Unlike many famous plastic pokers I do not keep my techniques secret, what I use for the borders is a dremel engraving bit along with the dremel pen extension. once the outline is done I remove inside material very carefully with a small sanding drum, for the stippling I outline close to the border with a small tip then move on to a larger diamond shaped one like you see in the picture, the tip is hand made as they do not sell them it was made from a standard wood burning tool tip. Also, don't use a soldering iron, purchase a variable temperature wood burning tool it will give you more control. Other than that practice, practice, practice
As a bonus here's my M&P 9 I just finished. 
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Unlike many famous plastic pokers I do not keep my techniques secret, what I use for the borders is a dremel engraving bit along with the dremel pen extension. once the outline is done I remove inside material very carefully with a small sanding drum, for the stippling I outline close to the border with a small tip then move on to a larger diamond shaped one like you see in the picture, the tip is hand made as they do not sell them it was made from a standard wood burning tool tip. Also, don't use a soldering iron, purchase a variable temperature wood burning tool it will give you more control. Other than that practice, practice, practice As a bonus here's my M&P 9 I just finished. http://i.imgur.com/hT83l3m.jpg Thanks for that, very very clean. |
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Unlike many famous plastic pokers I do not keep my techniques secret, what I use for the borders is a dremel engraving bit along with the dremel pen extension. once the outline is done I remove inside material very carefully with a small sanding drum, for the stippling I outline close to the border with a small tip then move on to a larger diamond shaped one like you see in the picture, the tip is hand made as they do not sell them it was made from a standard wood burning tool tip. Also, don't use a soldering iron, purchase a variable temperature wood burning tool it will give you more control. Other than that practice, practice, practice As a bonus here's my M&P 9 I just finished. http://i.imgur.com/hT83l3m.jpg Thanks for that, very very clean. Hey no problem man, if you guys have any questions please feel free to shoot me a DM and I'll be more than happy to answer them. |
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Unlike many famous plastic pokers I do not keep my techniques secret, what I use for the borders is a dremel engraving bit along with the dremel pen extension. once the outline is done I remove inside material very carefully with a small sanding drum, for the stippling I outline close to the border with a small tip then move on to a larger diamond shaped one like you see in the picture, the tip is hand made as they do not sell them it was made from a standard wood burning tool tip. Also, don't use a soldering iron, purchase a variable temperature wood burning tool it will give you more control. Other than that practice, practice, practice As a bonus here's my M&P 9 I just finished. http://i.imgur.com/hT83l3m.jpg Awesome. Thanks for the insight. Nice work by the way. |
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I've dabbled in the stippling for some time, for me this pattern does this pattern fits best, I can carry it right next to my skin with no discomfort and it provides excellent grip and texture. http://i.imgur.com/G4G00YB.jpg HILARIOUS. This is Ben from Boresight Solutions' work, don't even attempt to take credit for his work or know his techniques. *edit...after closer inspection I've realized this isn't his work, he's just good at ripping Ben's style off. My bad. |
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HILARIOUS. This is Ben from Boresight Solutions' work, don't even attempt to take credit for his work or know his techniques. Quoted:
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I've dabbled in the stippling for some time, for me this pattern does this pattern fits best, I can carry it right next to my skin with no discomfort and it provides excellent grip and texture. http://i.imgur.com/G4G00YB.jpg HILARIOUS. This is Ben from Boresight Solutions' work, don't even attempt to take credit for his work or know his techniques. Is this escalating quickly? |
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HILARIOUS. This is Ben from Boresight Solutions' work, don't even attempt to take credit for his work or know his techniques. Quoted:
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I've dabbled in the stippling for some time, for me this pattern does this pattern fits best, I can carry it right next to my skin with no discomfort and it provides excellent grip and texture. http://i.imgur.com/G4G00YB.jpg HILARIOUS. This is Ben from Boresight Solutions' work, don't even attempt to take credit for his work or know his techniques. The one on boresight solutions looks different. They are also in Florida.... Which is where dade_shooter is.... Coincidence? |
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Yes, it's just a coincidence. Yunior and I have no affiliation. He's a local guy (with no FFL) who has on occasion copied my work as close as he can. I'm honored that my work inspires people....but I prefer it to inspire creativity, not copies.
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I knew it wasn't Boresight. A ton of people TRY to copy stuff they like (I copied a JFE gravel pattern).
It IS good, but it's not as polished and perfect as a master artist--which is fine. Most artists take awhile to figure out their own style (like sunburst guy and tree bark guy, etc.). I think I'm one of the few that likes the stamped look from a wide circular or square tip like Salient and Agency and others do. It doesn't look as good, but it functions well for me. I'm still thinking lasers will take over all stippling within a year or two, but those guys can't reduce and reshape grips like the best of the best can now. |
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Yes, it's just a coincidence. Yunior and I have no affiliation. He's a local guy (with no FFL) who has on occasion copied my work as close as he can. I'm honored that my work inspires people....but I prefer it to inspire creativity, not copies. Ben @ Boresight Solutions You are one of the top stipple guys in my book. Dade_shooter does great work as well, from what I can see, as does many other people. I don't think his is a copy anymore than other stipple patterns that I have seen. His texture is a little different and I have seen similar borders by others. Now I have not seen anyone replicate your magazine scallop which I fully intend to shamelessly copy. 
Also some of your g17 frames that you have modded to take g19 mags are also drool worthy. |
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HILARIOUS. This is Ben from Boresight Solutions' work, don't even attempt to take credit for his work or know his techniques. *edit...after closer inspection I've realized this isn't his work, he's just good at ripping Ben's style off. My bad. Quoted:
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I've dabbled in the stippling for some time, for me this pattern does this pattern fits best, I can carry it right next to my skin with no discomfort and it provides excellent grip and texture. http://i.imgur.com/G4G00YB.jpg HILARIOUS. This is Ben from Boresight Solutions' work, don't even attempt to take credit for his work or know his techniques. *edit...after closer inspection I've realized this isn't his work, he's just good at ripping Ben's style off. My bad. LOL. Ripping off Bens style? ITS HIS OWN GUN. He can do what he wants with it. And it's HILARIOUS that you seem to have an issue with that, and even more hilarious that he did such a good job that you initially couldn't tell the difference between his and boresights work. Sounds like he saved himself $500. |
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It would be cool if I could get my hands on some different patterns to see how they feel. But Tree bark is winning this fight for me. It is the easiest to reproduce consistently and feels really good laterally. My second pattern is grippy as all hell, but looks sloppy IMO.
Sorry Bowie. I guess I should grind up some bits and see if I can't make a different pattern as well.... |
| Well if my work gets attention from the master I am truly humbled, if you feel like I am copying your work well my apologies I don't have $800 bucks to throw on top of my $500 Glock so I figured I would do it myself. I never stated we were affiliated in any way, nor would I want to be. You have me on facebook and seem know of my work however instead of reaching out, you decided to block me on Instagram but hey man you're the best in the industry your work is widely respected and despite all of that I have a huge amount of respect for you and your craft. |
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I reached out to you once via a mutual friend to give you my phone number to discuss. Never heard from you.
It was someone else who posted that we might be affiliated due to the location. If that's your personal gun, rock on. But I've seen on social media where people have posted pics of various modified glocks and tagged you as the one who did them, which makes it appear that you're modding guns as a side business, without an FFL. Like I said, I'm glad that my work inspires folks. But if they are going to do it as a business, like it appears you are based on what people have posted on IG, I hope I inspire them to also be creative and original and respect their fellow craftsmen's established designs, like I always have. |
| Yeah our mutual friend reached out and explained, I would have been more than happy to reach out and have a chat but I had already been blocked form IG for some reason so at that point there was really nothing to discuss you had already made up your mind on how to handle the situation. I never advertise what I do if you see my feed you can tell I have owned multiple Glocks and after I stipple them I usually sell them and get a new one and try a new pattern. Look if you're offended by it then my apologies it was not my intention to offend you by using a pattern similar to yours. |
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I think at some point, we are going to run out of "unique" designs. And everything is going to be an offshoot or someone else's rendition of someone else's work.
It happens in all industries. Someone does something, someone else likes it and replicates it and\or improves on it maybe adds a little twist and then someone else does the same to it and the cycle continues. |
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I reached out to you once via a mutual friend to give you my phone number to discuss. Never heard from you. It was someone else who posted that we might be affiliated due to the location. If that's your personal gun, rock on. But I've seen on social media where people have posted pics of various modified glocks and tagged you as the one who did them, which makes it appear that you're modding guns as a side business, without an FFL. Like I said, I'm glad that my work inspires folks. But if they are going to do it as a business, like it appears you are based on what people have posted on IG, I hope I inspire them to also be creative and original and respect their fellow craftsmen's established designs, like I always have. First of all, both you guys do great work as does many other poeple who mod guns. I hope to get to that level someday. I am trying to figure out what having an FFL has to do with any of this, even if he was making a profit on frame mods, the gun is not changing ownership so whats the big deal? There are poeple around here that do gunsmithing and refinishing services and they don't have FFLs. |
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That one is really unique. How is that stippling on grip? |
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That one is really unique. How is that stippling on grip? I let it set fairly deep, its sticky. |
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That one is really unique. How is that stippling on grip? I let it set fairly deep, its sticky. Where in MI? I'm in GR. |
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HILARIOUS. This is Ben from Boresight Solutions' work, don't even attempt to take credit for his work or know his techniques. *edit...after closer inspection I've realized this isn't his work, he's just good at ripping Ben's style off. My bad. Quoted:
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I've dabbled in the stippling for some time, for me this pattern does this pattern fits best, I can carry it right next to my skin with no discomfort and it provides excellent grip and texture. http://i.imgur.com/G4G00YB.jpg HILARIOUS. This is Ben from Boresight Solutions' work, don't even attempt to take credit for his work or know his techniques. *edit...after closer inspection I've realized this isn't his work, he's just good at ripping Ben's style off. My bad. I thought it was Ben's work, as well, but after looking at the picture closely it seemed a little different, so thanks for the clarification, SSVi. It's a decent copy and I can see how someone would go for this if they didn't want to pay what Ben charges. I jumped at the chance to have Ben do my G19 when he started accepting new work. Ben's work is excellent and, IMHO, worth the money. So much so, that I'm gonna send a G26 if/when I do purchase one. |
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That one is really unique. How is that stippling on grip? I let it set fairly deep, its sticky. Where in MI? I'm in GR. Grandville |
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That one is really unique. How is that stippling on grip? I let it set fairly deep, its sticky. It looks like you layed down a rounded bit on its side to make those? |
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edit: Smithy, this was in reply to your post, sir.
Basically, if you work on a firearm, or even a stripped Glock receiver (still a firearm, even more specifically a pistol) that doesn't belong to you, and receive compensation of any kind (money, jelly beans, promotion) you need an FFL. And to qualify for an FFL you must first obtain whatever local/city/state business licenses, resale certificate, etc required to run a firearms related business. In rural areas its a lot easier and less expensive due to little or no zoning. But in metro areas like Miami, it's difficult (time-consuming, mostly) and expensive. My yearly licensing fees to city (2 licenses) county (1 license & DERM) state (corporation) ATF (FFL and SOT) and ITAR (even though I don't export, I still have to pay ITAR fees because I have a Mfg FFL) are around $3500. Not to mention rent, utilities, insurance, etc etc etc. But it's the price of peace of mind, e.g. knowing the ATF isn't going to show up at my door for any reason other than to due a normal audit of my books (normal audit being that they show up without notice, flash badge, and all operations cease at that moment while they go over every book, receipt, 4473, and gun/frame/receiver in the entire place, lol). So it's understandable why lots of guys try to fly under the radar hush-hush, or try to avoid attention by doing it only for local people (still need an FFL) because they don't want to incur the significant costs of running a legit business, and of course so they can make pure profit. But word gets out, and word WILL get to the ATF. I personally know of two instances where local guys who were running unlicensed shops out of their house, and the ATF investigated and shut them down. No jail time, but they'll be walking on eggshells for awhile. |
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Yeah our mutual friend reached out and explained, I would have been more than happy to reach out and have a chat but I had already been blocked form IG for some reason so at that point there was really nothing to discuss you had already made up your mind on how to handle the situation. I never advertise what I do if you see my feed you can tell I have owned multiple Glocks and after I stipple them I usually sell them and get a new one and try a new pattern. Look if you're offended by it then my apologies it was not my intention to offend you by using a pattern similar to yours. I blocked you on IG because after you posted on my page how my work inspired you, I checked out your page out of curiosity and the first thing I saw was work that looked just like mine, and also around the same time I saw other posts in my feed where people were posting GLOCKs they said you did. Ironically a kid named Alex F, who owes me a ton of money for custom work I did, and has been giving me nothing but excuses for months and months and somehow can't check his email except for every few weeks, but can somehow still post on Instagram, posted a pic of a gun you did within a couple of days of giving me yet another sob story about why he couldn't come pay ME and pick up his gun, lol. So in a nutshell, at face value, all signs indicated that you were doing biz cloning my work (without an FFL) and other people were promoting you. So the block was to make it not so easy for you to just pop over to my page whenever you needed "inspiration". But like I said in my last post, if I misunderstood and those really are your personal guns, then rock on. And obviously you did them well enough that at a glance I and other people thought they were mine. If someone likes my style enough to want to replicate it for themselves on their own gun, hell yeah. But what I take exception to is someone who is trying to clone my work and getting compensated in any way for it, and other people promoting them for it. I have literally NEVER copied anyone in the grip work biz, and if I thought I was going to do something that might get too close for another craftsman's comfort, I contacted him out of respect to make sure what I was doing was cool. And plenty of guys have done the same with me. Flipside is there are plenty of unimaginative pirates in the biz who think that anything is fair game, and have no respect for their fellow craftsmen. And yes, I'd still like to discuss this with you. over the phone is fine, but I prefer in person so there's no further misunderstandings. Once our new shop in Doral is operational-ish and open to the public (next couple of weeks, hopefully), you're welcome to stop by. |
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I thought it was Ben's work, as well, but after looking at the picture closely it seemed a little different, so thanks for the clarification, SSVi. It's a decent copy and I can see how someone would go for this if they didn't want to pay what Ben charges. I jumped at the chance to have Ben do my G19 when he started accepting new work. Ben's work is excellent and, IMHO, worth the money. So much so, that I'm gonna send a G26 if/when I do purchase one. Quoted:
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I've dabbled in the stippling for some time, for me this pattern does this pattern fits best, I can carry it right next to my skin with no discomfort and it provides excellent grip and texture. http://i.imgur.com/G4G00YB.jpg HILARIOUS. This is Ben from Boresight Solutions' work, don't even attempt to take credit for his work or know his techniques. *edit...after closer inspection I've realized this isn't his work, he's just good at ripping Ben's style off. My bad. I thought it was Ben's work, as well, but after looking at the picture closely it seemed a little different, so thanks for the clarification, SSVi. It's a decent copy and I can see how someone would go for this if they didn't want to pay what Ben charges. I jumped at the chance to have Ben do my G19 when he started accepting new work. Ben's work is excellent and, IMHO, worth the money. So much so, that I'm gonna send a G26 if/when I do purchase one. Thanks! |
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edit: Smithy, this was in reply to your post, sir. Basically, if you work on a firearm, or even a stripped Glock receiver (still a firearm, even more specifically a pistol) that doesn't belong to you, and receive compensation of any kind (money, jelly beans, promotion) you need an FFL. And to qualify for an FFL you must first obtain whatever local/city/state business licenses, resale certificate, etc required to run a firearms related business. In rural areas its a lot easier and less expensive due to little or no zoning. But in metro areas like Miami, it's difficult (time-consuming, mostly) and expensive. My yearly licensing fees to city (2 licenses) county (1 license & DERM) state (corporation) ATF (FFL and SOT) and ITAR (even though I don't export, I still have to pay ITAR fees because I have a Mfg FFL) are around $3500. Not to mention rent, utilities, insurance, etc etc etc. But it's the price of peace of mind, e.g. knowing the ATF isn't going to show up at my door for any reason other than to due a normal audit of my books (normal audit being that they show up without notice, flash badge, and all operations cease at that moment while they go over every book, receipt, 4473, and gun/frame/receiver in the entire place, lol). So it's understandable why lots of guys try to fly under the radar hush-hush, or try to avoid attention by doing it only for local people (still need an FFL) because they don't want to incur the significant costs of running a legit business, and of course so they can make pure profit. But word gets out, and word WILL get to the ATF. I personally know of two instances where local guys who were running unlicensed shops out of their house, and the ATF investigated and shut them down. No jail time, but they'll be walking on eggshells for awhile. Well... thats asinine. Not your post, but the fact that the .GOV says that you have to have an FFL to even refinish a firearm. 
No wander everything is so expensive today! The government is in everything artificially driving the price up. Stupid times we live in today. Either way, both do great work and I would let either one work on my weapons FFL or not. 
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Seems my little thread here has opened a can of worms.
The reality behind why i have wanted to do my own work is i lost about 10k to a mechanics shop once when they ripped me off on performance parts for my Mustang. Since then I have been leery about ANYONE working on anything I own. |
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Well... thats asinine. Not your post, but the fact that the .GOV says that you have to have an FFL to even refinish a firearm.
No wander everything is so expensive today! The government is in everything artificially driving the price up. Stupid times we live in today. Either way, both do great work and I would let either one work on my weapons FFL or not. Quoted:
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edit: Smithy, this was in reply to your post, sir. Basically, if you work on a firearm, or even a stripped Glock receiver (still a firearm, even more specifically a pistol) that doesn't belong to you, and receive compensation of any kind (money, jelly beans, promotion) you need an FFL. And to qualify for an FFL you must first obtain whatever local/city/state business licenses, resale certificate, etc required to run a firearms related business. In rural areas its a lot easier and less expensive due to little or no zoning. But in metro areas like Miami, it's difficult (time-consuming, mostly) and expensive. My yearly licensing fees to city (2 licenses) county (1 license & DERM) state (corporation) ATF (FFL and SOT) and ITAR (even though I don't export, I still have to pay ITAR fees because I have a Mfg FFL) are around $3500. Not to mention rent, utilities, insurance, etc etc etc. But it's the price of peace of mind, e.g. knowing the ATF isn't going to show up at my door for any reason other than to due a normal audit of my books (normal audit being that they show up without notice, flash badge, and all operations cease at that moment while they go over every book, receipt, 4473, and gun/frame/receiver in the entire place, lol). So it's understandable why lots of guys try to fly under the radar hush-hush, or try to avoid attention by doing it only for local people (still need an FFL) because they don't want to incur the significant costs of running a legit business, and of course so they can make pure profit. But word gets out, and word WILL get to the ATF. I personally know of two instances where local guys who were running unlicensed shops out of their house, and the ATF investigated and shut them down. No jail time, but they'll be walking on eggshells for awhile. Well... thats asinine. Not your post, but the fact that the .GOV says that you have to have an FFL to even refinish a firearm.
No wander everything is so expensive today! The government is in everything artificially driving the price up. Stupid times we live in today. Either way, both do great work and I would let either one work on my weapons FFL or not. Yep. The Notorious G.O.V. is a massive revenue collection entity. I guess the biggest risk of business with a non-FFL is that if the phony biz gets busted by the ATF, folks will likely have a very hard time getting their guns back. |
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"Unlike many famous plastic pokers I do not keep my techniques secret, what I use for the borders is a dremel engraving bit along with the dremel pen extension. once the outline is done I remove inside material very carefully with a small sanding drum" You sand the whole grip inside within the borders? or just areas near the border? ty |
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Yep. The Notorious G.O.V. is a massive revenue collection entity. I guess the biggest risk of business with a non-FFL is that if the phony biz gets busted by the ATF, folks will likely have a very hard time getting their guns back. Quoted:
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edit: Smithy, this was in reply to your post, sir. Basically, if you work on a firearm, or even a stripped Glock receiver (still a firearm, even more specifically a pistol) that doesn't belong to you, and receive compensation of any kind (money, jelly beans, promotion) you need an FFL. And to qualify for an FFL you must first obtain whatever local/city/state business licenses, resale certificate, etc required to run a firearms related business. In rural areas its a lot easier and less expensive due to little or no zoning. But in metro areas like Miami, it's difficult (time-consuming, mostly) and expensive. My yearly licensing fees to city (2 licenses) county (1 license & DERM) state (corporation) ATF (FFL and SOT) and ITAR (even though I don't export, I still have to pay ITAR fees because I have a Mfg FFL) are around $3500. Not to mention rent, utilities, insurance, etc etc etc. But it's the price of peace of mind, e.g. knowing the ATF isn't going to show up at my door for any reason other than to due a normal audit of my books (normal audit being that they show up without notice, flash badge, and all operations cease at that moment while they go over every book, receipt, 4473, and gun/frame/receiver in the entire place, lol). So it's understandable why lots of guys try to fly under the radar hush-hush, or try to avoid attention by doing it only for local people (still need an FFL) because they don't want to incur the significant costs of running a legit business, and of course so they can make pure profit. But word gets out, and word WILL get to the ATF. I personally know of two instances where local guys who were running unlicensed shops out of their house, and the ATF investigated and shut them down. No jail time, but they'll be walking on eggshells for awhile. Well... thats asinine. Not your post, but the fact that the .GOV says that you have to have an FFL to even refinish a firearm.
No wander everything is so expensive today! The government is in everything artificially driving the price up. Stupid times we live in today. Either way, both do great work and I would let either one work on my weapons FFL or not. Yep. The Notorious G.O.V. is a massive revenue collection entity. I guess the biggest risk of business with a non-FFL is that if the phony biz gets busted by the ATF, folks will likely have a very hard time getting their guns back. In that case it was a misunderstanding on both our parts, I will definitely take you up on that visit. |