Posted: 4/13/2016 11:27:21 AM EDT
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Recently started shooting USPSA with my G17. I can't hit the mag release without breaking my grip or using my weak hand thumb.
I've also tried reversing the mag release and using my strong hand middle finger. That really sucked. Not only does it slow my reloads way down but it can also invite a DQ if I'm moving right and rotate the gun to hit the mag release. Any suggestions on pistols with easier to reach mag releases? I don't really want to go single stack. On my short list are CZ's and Tanfo's but from my research I don't think they are any better than a Glock for my problem. Can you help Arf or will my stubby fingers screw me yet again? |
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Flip the gun when you reload.
Not many can reach mag releases without breaking the grip. Even the Pros break their grip to get to releases. I take my support hand and when I hit empty I use my support hand to break my grip slighty, hit the mag release with my firing hand thumb, gas it up and go. 
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Quoted: Flip the gun when you reload. Not many can reach mag releases without breaking the grip. Even the Pros break their grip to get to releases. I take my support hand and when I hit empty I use my support hand to break my grip slighty, hit the mag release with my firing hand thumb, gas it up and go.  https://youtu.be/VyGR7nfjL5s?list=UUE4SH_7_bFuNI3p6eSbniEQYup, just shift it in your hand. IDK what the rules are for the different classes in USPSA, but if you can add a factory extended mag release that might help some, but if the reach in and of itself is the issue you're probably going to have that same issue regardless of what gun you choose. |
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Flip the gun when you reload. Not many can reach mag releases without breaking the grip. Even the Pros break their grip to get to releases. I take my support hand and when I hit empty I use my support hand to break my grip slighty, hit the mag release with my firing hand thumb, gas it up and go. https://youtu.be/VyGR7nfjL5s?list=UUE4SH_7_bFuNI3p6eSbniEQI already do that but it invites a DQ by breaking the 180 rule in USPSA. I almost DQ'd last weekend because of it. |
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I already do that but it invites a DQ by breaking the 180 rule in USPSA. I almost DQ'd last weekend because of it. Quoted:
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Flip the gun when you reload. Not many can reach mag releases without breaking the grip. Even the Pros break their grip to get to releases. I take my support hand and when I hit empty I use my support hand to break my grip slighty, hit the mag release with my firing hand thumb, gas it up and go. https://youtu.be/VyGR7nfjL5s?list=UUE4SH_7_bFuNI3p6eSbniEQI already do that but it invites a DQ by breaking the 180 rule in USPSA. I almost DQ'd last weekend because of it. 
Man I shoot alot of competitions, Never once broke a 180 rule during a reload. On some stages I have to move my upper body to not break it, but thats just part of gaming the game. You dont cant the gun so far over that its breaking a 180 rule, you break your grip just enough to get to the release. Ive had top instructors teach this. What they do is somewhat use the support hand to break the gun out of grip slightly, just enough to get your thumb to where it needs to go. It doesnt look like my video posted, Ill throw it up again, watch my reloads. You can barely tell I break my grip. Im 5'6" and have little girl hands for the record.
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Quoted: Recently started shooting USPSA with my G17. I can't hit the mag release without breaking my grip or using my weak hand thumb. That's normal and perfectly OK. You're in no danger of breaking 180 if you're mindful of your muzzle angle at all times. When you "break" your grip, it's only like 10-20 degrees anyway. Moving right-to-left as a righty is where you must be most vigilant. I'd not go searching for a new gun solution to something that's an easy training fix. A factory extended mag release button is production legal if you want to try that. I would not use my support hand to break grip, either. Your support hand should be grabbing and inserting a new mag. |
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That's normal and perfectly OK. You're in no danger of breaking 180 if you're mindful of your muzzle angle at all times. When you "break" your grip, it's only like 10-20 degrees anyway. Moving right-to-left as a righty is where you must be most vigilant. I'd not go searching for a new gun solution to something that's an easy training fix. A factory extended mag release button is production legal if you want to try that. I would not use my support hand to break grip, either. Your support hand should be grabbing and inserting a new mag. Quoted:
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Recently started shooting USPSA with my G17. I can't hit the mag release without breaking my grip or using my weak hand thumb. That's normal and perfectly OK. You're in no danger of breaking 180 if you're mindful of your muzzle angle at all times. When you "break" your grip, it's only like 10-20 degrees anyway. Moving right-to-left as a righty is where you must be most vigilant. I'd not go searching for a new gun solution to something that's an easy training fix. A factory extended mag release button is production legal if you want to try that. I would not use my support hand to break grip, either. Your support hand should be grabbing and inserting a new mag. In the heat of the moment I'm probably going more than 20 degrees. I tried breaking my grip one handed but had problems reestablishing it. You guys are killing me. I'm looking for an easy fix and an excuse to buy a new gun! Well, back to dry fire practice. |
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In the heat of the moment I'm probably going more than 20 degrees. I tried breaking my grip one handed but had problems reestablishing it. You guys are killing me. I'm looking for an easy fix and an excuse to buy a new gun! Well, back to dry fire practice. Quoted:
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Recently started shooting USPSA with my G17. I can't hit the mag release without breaking my grip or using my weak hand thumb. That's normal and perfectly OK. You're in no danger of breaking 180 if you're mindful of your muzzle angle at all times. When you "break" your grip, it's only like 10-20 degrees anyway. Moving right-to-left as a righty is where you must be most vigilant. I'd not go searching for a new gun solution to something that's an easy training fix. A factory extended mag release button is production legal if you want to try that. I would not use my support hand to break grip, either. Your support hand should be grabbing and inserting a new mag. In the heat of the moment I'm probably going more than 20 degrees. I tried breaking my grip one handed but had problems reestablishing it. You guys are killing me. I'm looking for an easy fix and an excuse to buy a new gun! Well, back to dry fire practice. If you are square with a target, theres really no chance of breaking the 180, even if you over due canting the gun. Not only that but you are wasting a bunch of movement doing so if you are really that close to breaking the 180, which translates to more time added to your overall time. Highlighted in red above is the only time I ever really watch my reloads, and again I would just point my chest towards downrange and I would be in no danger of breaking the 180 rule. How long have you been competing? I think with some more time on the gun as well as at the competitions, this will be a non issue. |
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Quoted: In the heat of the moment I'm probably going more than 20 degrees. I tried breaking my grip one handed but had problems reestablishing it. You guys are killing me. I'm looking for an easy fix and an excuse to buy a new gun! Well, back to dry fire practice. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Recently started shooting USPSA with my G17. I can't hit the mag release without breaking my grip or using my weak hand thumb. That's normal and perfectly OK. You're in no danger of breaking 180 if you're mindful of your muzzle angle at all times. When you "break" your grip, it's only like 10-20 degrees anyway. Moving right-to-left as a righty is where you must be most vigilant. I'd not go searching for a new gun solution to something that's an easy training fix. A factory extended mag release button is production legal if you want to try that. I would not use my support hand to break grip, either. Your support hand should be grabbing and inserting a new mag. In the heat of the moment I'm probably going more than 20 degrees. I tried breaking my grip one handed but had problems reestablishing it. You guys are killing me. I'm looking for an easy fix and an excuse to buy a new gun! Well, back to dry fire practice. You need to have your squad mates video your runs. It's probably not as significant as it "feels". Dry fire. All you can. It will help. Get the Ben Stoeger dry fire book. |
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You need to have your squad mates video your runs. It's probably not as significant as it "feels". Dry fire. All you can. It will help. Get the Ben Stoeger dry fire book. Quoted:
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Recently started shooting USPSA with my G17. I can't hit the mag release without breaking my grip or using my weak hand thumb. That's normal and perfectly OK. You're in no danger of breaking 180 if you're mindful of your muzzle angle at all times. When you "break" your grip, it's only like 10-20 degrees anyway. Moving right-to-left as a righty is where you must be most vigilant. I'd not go searching for a new gun solution to something that's an easy training fix. A factory extended mag release button is production legal if you want to try that. I would not use my support hand to break grip, either. Your support hand should be grabbing and inserting a new mag. In the heat of the moment I'm probably going more than 20 degrees. I tried breaking my grip one handed but had problems reestablishing it. You guys are killing me. I'm looking for an easy fix and an excuse to buy a new gun! Well, back to dry fire practice. You need to have your squad mates video your runs. It's probably not as significant as it "feels". Dry fire. All you can. It will help. Get the Ben Stoeger dry fire book. I picked up Anderson's dry fire book and have been practicing 30-60 mins a day while trying to keep my tennis elbow at bay. |
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Stop punching the clown and playing tennis 
You could always operator up Chris Costa style #OAFstylebruh http://www.popularairsoft.com/files/imagesnew/rocktape_costa.jpg Quoted:
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I picked up Anderson's dry fire book and have been practicing 30-60 mins a day while trying to keep my tennis elbow at bay. Stop punching the clown and playing tennis
You could always operator up Chris Costa style #OAFstylebruh http://www.popularairsoft.com/files/imagesnew/rocktape_costa.jpg I can't use Rock Tape, don't have any Multicam. You can only use them in conjunction with each other. |
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In the heat of the moment I'm probably going more than 20 degrees. I tried breaking my grip one handed but had problems reestablishing it. You guys are killing me. I'm looking for an easy fix and an excuse to buy a new gun! Well, back to dry fire practice. Quoted:
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Recently started shooting USPSA with my G17. I can't hit the mag release without breaking my grip or using my weak hand thumb. That's normal and perfectly OK. You're in no danger of breaking 180 if you're mindful of your muzzle angle at all times. When you "break" your grip, it's only like 10-20 degrees anyway. Moving right-to-left as a righty is where you must be most vigilant. I'd not go searching for a new gun solution to something that's an easy training fix. A factory extended mag release button is production legal if you want to try that. I would not use my support hand to break grip, either. Your support hand should be grabbing and inserting a new mag. In the heat of the moment I'm probably going more than 20 degrees. I tried breaking my grip one handed but had problems reestablishing it. You guys are killing me. I'm looking for an easy fix and an excuse to buy a new gun! Well, back to dry fire practice. Asked and answered your own question. ~10min/day for a couple weeks and this issue will virtually be non-existent. And you'll be a better competitor AND save a ton of coin not buying another gun |
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Been getting up at 5:00am before work every day and dry firing for 40-60 mins. Then another short session in the evening. Running through the drills in Steve Anderson's book. I've cut almost a half second off my draw in a week and a half.
I've started learning how to "flip" the gun one handed. My reloads are a soup sandwich again with the new technique. |
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Quoted: Are aftermarket mag releases legal in your division? I like the ZEV extended mag release, its textured and pretty dang big so I don't see how anyone would have problems with not being able to reach it. For the record I have smaller hands and short fingers too. Factory extended buttons are legal for production (generally speaking). Aftermarket buttons are legal for limited. |
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I traded my minute of barn door accuracy 92fs for a HK vp9.
It has a mag release similar to a walther p22 in that it swings down and is ambidextoris. I can use my trigger finger to drop the mag. Gonna go shoot it in a bit. I have a wide fist, meaty palm and web and normal lenth fingers so most times I can't easily reach the thumb release on most pistols. The cz 75 grip does work better for me than most though. The HK is new. |
| I switched to the "flip" method a couple weeks ago after I started this thread. Been practicing it daily. I can do Burkett's under a second with this method but re-establishing my strong hand grip is giving me fits and adds another second. I was ready to throw the gun across the room this morning. More reps are needed. |
| If you're looking for a reason to buy a new gun, go look at the PPQ M2. Large button, small backstrap option. If you can't reach that, try the original PPQ with the paddle mag release or the VP9. Although we mess with my buddy who likes the paddles and uses his firing hand to manipulate by telling him it's the ND mag release, we use our trigger finger for mag release and bolt release on our carbines. |