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Posted: 7/23/2022 4:55:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dcs12345]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tranquility: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/365646/20220718_201552_jpg-2458479.JPG Kind of wish I had went with the 507K but I'm still pretty happy with it. Having both, I greatly prefer the larger window of the 507C vs the K….especially on G19 sized slides. Finally got the chance to sight in my 507k topped Arex Delta and a P80 compact build with a 507C. First shot with the Arex (happened to be sighting in at 15 yards….) Well, that is going to make sighting in a little quicker 
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Posted: 7/23/2022 8:51:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
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@J-pat
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Posted: 7/23/2022 10:37:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Tranquility]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dcs12345: Having both, I greatly prefer the larger window of the 507C vs the K….especially on G19 sized slides. Finally got the chance to sight in my 507k topped Arex Delta and a P80 compact build with a 507C. First shot with the Arex (happened to be sighting in at 15 yards….) Well, that is going to make sighting in a little quicker https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/82036/91D36586-5138-4802-80AB-5DE5DD938CFD-2463147.jpg I am glad to hear that. The 507C being wider than the slide it seemed big but I don't have much experience with anything smaller. Nice shooting by the way! It's a good feeling when gear just works for you right off the bat. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:36:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tranquility: I am glad to hear that. Thr 507C being than the slide it seemed big but I don't have much experience with anything smaller. Nice shooting by the way! It's a good feeling when gear just works for you right off the bat. The accuracy didn’t stay to that level…. But it wasn’t horrible either. It was better than what I can do with irons at that distance though. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 12:36:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: J-Pat]
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by request
Very straightforward question. When you engage a target at distance, possibly in a fight for your life - do you want to shoot like this  or like this.  |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 12:37:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Pat: by request Very straightforward question. When you engage a target at distance - do you want to shoot like this https://i.imgur.com/u6bjDPp.png or like this. https://i.imgur.com/LF1bMV9.png |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 6:52:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Pat: by request Very straightforward question. When you engage a target at distance, possibly in a fight for your life - do you want to shoot like this https://i.imgur.com/u6bjDPp.png or like this. https://i.imgur.com/LF1bMV9.png  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 8:57:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Pat: by request Very straightforward question. When you engage a target at distance, possibly in a fight for your life - do you want to shoot like this https://i.imgur.com/u6bjDPp.png or like this. https://i.imgur.com/LF1bMV9.png |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 9:07:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
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Re-posting this from GD thread here so can be kept in table of contents at bottom of first post. Credit for idea to Dave_M
- If you present and you can't see the dot, your irons are unacceptably out of alignment. Look at these examples. Would this be an acceptable irons sight picture? No. A miss.  Attached FileWhat about this? Look at the irons.  Attached FileNow see how far off the irons have to be to not even see the dot? Embarrassing.  Attached FileNow let's see a nice target focus with the dot in the center. The irons are looking good too. Interesting  Attached FileOne more example. This cardboard target is 10Y away. With the cardboard filling the entire RMR window, if the dot isn't present you will miss the target entirely. Look at the irons.  Attached FileSo - what can we conclude: - If you can't find the dot when you draw, your presentation is trash and you use Irons as a crutch to guide the gun onto target - When you don't see the dot in the window, your irons are also giving you an unacceptable sight picture The dot doesn't make you slow - it just reveals a weakness. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 9:56:04 AM EDT
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^^^
That's well illustrated. I would add that at close range with a proper mount, you can use the dot analog to the "flash sight picture" to make even faster hits than irons allow. It's called "shooting the streak". I.E., not waiting for the reticle to resolve from a streak of red into a round dot. If you are correctly target focused and see the red streak on the target and break the shot it will hit. This works for the first shot at speed as well as subsequent shots in rapid fire. Shooting the Doubles Drill I can maintain the same accuracy/splits at 15 yards as I can at 7. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 9:59:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feudist: ^^^ That's well illustrated. I would add that at close range with a proper mount, you can use the dot analog to the "flash sight picture" to make even faster hits than irons allow. It's called "shooting the streak". I.E., not waiting for the reticle to resolve from a streak of red into a round dot. If you are correctly target focused and see the red streak on the target and break the shot it will hit. This works for the first shot at speed as well as subsequent shots in rapid fire. Shooting the Doubles Drill I can maintain the same accuracy/splits at 15 yards as I can at 7. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:20:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Tranquility]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Re-posting this from GD thread here so can be kept in table of contents at bottom of first post. Credit for idea to Dave_M - If you present and you can't see the dot, your irons are unacceptably out of alignment. Look at these examples. Would this be an acceptable irons sight picture? No. A miss. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/F62E0CA1-B832-4AC7-8E6F-88888A333F4D_jpe-2463809.JPG What about this? Look at the irons. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/9F8D95CB-8087-492B-847F-5589249A84DF_jpe-2463810.JPG Now see how far off the irons have to be to not even see the dot? Embarrassing. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/3634F37C-3283-47F4-BF89-1DD26A2F68CB_jpe-2463811.JPG Now let's see a nice target focus with the dot in the center. The irons are looking good too. Interesting https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/DEF02E6E-D5DA-4F43-BC1B-869E86082986_jpe-2463813.JPG One more example. This cardboard target is 10Y away. With the cardboard filling the entire RMR window, if the dot isn't present you will miss the target entirely. Look at the irons. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/74CE0D27-20CF-41EE-B5BA-F86F5AE92740_jpe-2463814.JPG So - what can we conclude: - If you can't find the dot when you draw, your presentation is trash and you use Irons as a crutch to guide the gun onto target - When you don't see the dot in the window, your irons are also giving you an unacceptable sight picture The dot doesn't make you slow - it just reveals a weakness. Would you say visable/usable cowitnessed suppressor height sights make rapid aiming easier/faster or are they a handicap that distracts you and only useful as backup sights? |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:25:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tranquility: Would you say visable/usable cowitnessed suppressor height sights make rapid aiming easier or are they a handicap that distracts you? I prefer blacked out sights |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:26:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Henny]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tranquility: Would you say visable/usable cowitnessed suppressor height sights make rapid aiming easier or are they a handicap that distracts you? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tranquility: Originally Posted By Fooboy: Re-posting this from GD thread here so can be kept in table of contents at bottom of first post. Credit for idea to Dave_M - If you present and you can't see the dot, your irons are unacceptably out of alignment. Look at these examples. Would this be an acceptable irons sight picture? No. A miss. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/F62E0CA1-B832-4AC7-8E6F-88888A333F4D_jpe-2463809.JPG What about this? Look at the irons. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/9F8D95CB-8087-492B-847F-5589249A84DF_jpe-2463810.JPG Now see how far off the irons have to be to not even see the dot? Embarrassing. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/3634F37C-3283-47F4-BF89-1DD26A2F68CB_jpe-2463811.JPG Now let's see a nice target focus with the dot in the center. The irons are looking good too. Interesting https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/DEF02E6E-D5DA-4F43-BC1B-869E86082986_jpe-2463813.JPG One more example. This cardboard target is 10Y away. With the cardboard filling the entire RMR window, if the dot isn't present you will miss the target entirely. Look at the irons. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/74CE0D27-20CF-41EE-B5BA-F86F5AE92740_jpe-2463814.JPG So - what can we conclude: - If you can't find the dot when you draw, your presentation is trash and you use Irons as a crutch to guide the gun onto target - When you don't see the dot in the window, your irons are also giving you an unacceptable sight picture The dot doesn't make you slow - it just reveals a weakness. Would you say visable/usable cowitnessed suppressor height sights make rapid aiming easier or are they a handicap that distracts you? I know you’re asking Fooboy, I’ve found over I’ve found that I like as little obstruction as possible in the RDS window. That being said, I don’t really notice the ones on my G19 when I’m shooting, as my focus is on the target.  Attached FileETA: as with Foo, I prefer blacked out sights too. The less clutter, the better for me. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:28:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Tranquility]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: I don't see them but I'm glad they are there. I do like the irons in front of the optic so I get to use the full window but they don't distract me as I'm focused on the target. I prefer blacked out sights Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By Tranquility: Would you say visable/usable cowitnessed suppressor height sights make rapid aiming easier or are they a handicap that distracts you? I prefer blacked out sights Got it. I was wondering if there was a tendency for a person with poor natural alignment to not see the dot, look at the irons and align them, then try to pick up the dot and therefore shoot a lot slower than their full potential. Originally Posted By Henny: I know you’re asking Fooboy, I’ve found over I’ve found that I like as little obstruction as possible in the RDS window. That being said, I don’t really notice the ones on my G19 when I’m shooting, as my focus is on the target. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/10846/F78B61E5-A85D-4620-8041-B7C5DB6CCFE8_jpe-2464120.JPG ETA: as with Foo, I prefer blacked out sights too. The less clutter, the better for me. I was asking anybody. 
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:31:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Henny: I know you're asking Fooboy, I've found over I've found that I like as little obstruction as possible in the RDS window. That being said, I don't really notice the ones on my G19 when I'm shooting, as my focus is on the target. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/10846/F78B61E5-A85D-4620-8041-B7C5DB6CCFE8_jpe-2464120.JPG ETA: as with Foo, I prefer blacked out sights too. The less clutter, the better for me. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:32:55 PM EDT
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Only optics guns I’ve shot have had suppressor sights mine has them. I agree to the blacked out sight preference. I don’t really notice the sights myself
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:34:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Good point. I would add that is why I don't like the ACSS reticle with outer ring. It adds a lot of red that messed with my "streak shooting" at very close distances. At least you can disable the outer ring on the ACSS when you no longer need/want it. Great pictures by the way. If your dot is centered the front sight should also be centered(windage) between the rear sights. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:38:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tranquility: Got it. I was wondering if there was a tendency for a person with poor natural alignment to not see the dot, look at the irons and align them, then try to pick up the dot and therefore shoot a lot slower than their full potential. I was asking anybody. With irons, begin draw and as you bring pistol into view your Visual focus transitions to front sight and guide pistol onto target with irons With RDS, begin draw but maintain target focus - dot appears over target. For this to be effective, you need a good draw/presentation. If you take your eyes off the target to use the irons to see the dot, you're diminishing the benefits of the dot and you're failing to correct the root cause - an inconsistent draw. An inconsistent draw is the primary obstacle to RDS proficiency. "I tried it but I was slower". |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:48:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: That is a tendency but not an advisable one. This is my experience from taking shooters through this. With irons, begin draw and as you bring pistol into view your Visual focus transitions to front sight and guide pistol onto target with irons With RDS, begin draw but maintain target focus - dot appears over target. For this to be effective, you need a good draw/presentation. If you take your eyes off the target to use the irons to see the dot, you're diminishing the benefits of the dot and you're failing to correct the root cause - an inconsistent draw. An inconsistent draw is the primary obstacle to RDS proficiency. "I tried it but I was slower". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By Tranquility: Got it. I was wondering if there was a tendency for a person with poor natural alignment to not see the dot, look at the irons and align them, then try to pick up the dot and therefore shoot a lot slower than their full potential. I was asking anybody. With irons, begin draw and as you bring pistol into view your Visual focus transitions to front sight and guide pistol onto target with irons With RDS, begin draw but maintain target focus - dot appears over target. For this to be effective, you need a good draw/presentation. If you take your eyes off the target to use the irons to see the dot, you're diminishing the benefits of the dot and you're failing to correct the root cause - an inconsistent draw. An inconsistent draw is the primary obstacle to RDS proficiency. "I tried it but I was slower". One thing that’s helped a couple people pick it up who were used to and still trying to find and focus on the front sight was having them do reverse draws start off with a proper presentation holster and re-present on target. I’ve mentioned it before in other threads not sure about this one but taping over the optic lens to force a target focus and running some drills really helped me a lot. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 3:01:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: One thing that's helped a couple people pick it up who were used to and still trying to find and focus on the front sight was having them do reverse draws start off with a proper presentation holster and re-present on target. I've mentioned it before in other threads not sure about this one but taping over the optic lens to force a target focus and running some drills really helped me a lot. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 4:04:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: With RDS, begin draw but maintain target focus - dot appears over target. For this to be effective, you need a good draw/presentation. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 4:15:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Neat trick. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: One thing that's helped a couple people pick it up who were used to and still trying to find and focus on the front sight was having them do reverse draws start off with a proper presentation holster and re-present on target. I've mentioned it before in other threads not sure about this one but taping over the optic lens to force a target focus and running some drills really helped me a lot. Blue painters tape won’t leave a residue can’t speak for others |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 5:49:35 PM EDT
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So I pocket carry a p365 99% of the time. Have a g45, g17 and G26 as well. I have used an RMR in the past on rental guns and always found I was just way better with irons. However, this Indiana shooting has me wondering if I should explore the dot. I find my scorpion with a dot totally cheating.. no clue if that rolls over to handguns, but the scorp with irons kinda sucks, with a dot it's spectacular.
Few questions. 1. is pocket carrying a p365 with a dot a difficult draw? 2. Would you start with getting my g45 milled and a RMR or buy a p365XL or p365x slide and put a 507 on it and a WC XL grip? I really just want something to give RDS a chance and see if I can make the switch. I am very fast with my G17 and irons at reasonably distances. But I am not very confident at ranges above 25 yards. Almost zero chance I ever need to make a defensive shot above that distance, but it seems worth having the option. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 6:41:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bm303: So I pocket carry a p365 99% of the time. Have a g45, g17 and G26 as well. I have used an RMR in the past on rental guns and always found I was just way better with irons. However, this Indiana shooting has me wondering if I should explore the dot. I find my scorpion with a dot totally cheating.. no clue if that rolls over to handguns, but the scorp with irons kinda sucks, with a dot it's spectacular. Few questions. 1. is pocket carrying a p365 with a dot a difficult draw? 2. Would you start with getting my g45 milled and a RMR or buy a p365XL or p365x slide and put a 507 on it and a WC XL grip? I really just want something to give RDS a chance and see if I can make the switch. I am very fast with my G17 and irons at reasonably distances. But I am not very confident at ranges above 25 yards. Almost zero chance I ever need to make a defensive shot above that distance, but it seems worth having the option. also - your hit % and accuracy go up at close distances too. Not just at 25 |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 7:22:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bm303: So I pocket carry a p365 99% of the time. Have a g45, g17 and G26 as well. I have used an RMR in the past on rental guns and always found I was just way better with irons. However, this Indiana shooting has me wondering if I should explore the dot. I find my scorpion with a dot totally cheating.. no clue if that rolls over to handguns, but the scorp with irons kinda sucks, with a dot it's spectacular. Few questions. 1. is pocket carrying a p365 with a dot a difficult draw? 2. Would you start with getting my g45 milled and a RMR or buy a p365XL or p365x slide and put a 507 on it and a WC XL grip? I really just want something to give RDS a chance and see if I can make the switch. I am very fast with my G17 and irons at reasonably distances. But I am not very confident at ranges above 25 yards. Almost zero chance I ever need to make a defensive shot above that distance, but it seems worth having the option. I was pretty good with irons and was very confident with them at range. The dot imo helped me become better with irons as well because it really helped line out some drawing issues as well as offer a very good aid for dry firing. The biggest benefit to me isn’t the accuracy at range or the speed even though they both improved the biggest thing for me was the threat focused sighting that didn’t cause a shift between threat and sights before, between, and after shots. |
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Posted: 7/25/2022 10:32:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Blue painters tape won’t leave a residue can’t speak for others Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: One thing that's helped a couple people pick it up who were used to and still trying to find and focus on the front sight was having them do reverse draws start off with a proper presentation holster and re-present on target. I've mentioned it before in other threads not sure about this one but taping over the optic lens to force a target focus and running some drills really helped me a lot. Blue painters tape won’t leave a residue can’t speak for others Great idea, Im going to try that  I have plenty of blue painters tape and hate to paint anyway 
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Posted: 7/25/2022 11:11:59 AM EDT
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I'm definitely a fan of red dots.
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Posted: 7/25/2022 11:44:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarCityShooter: Great idea, Im going to try that I have plenty of blue painters tape and hate to paint anyway Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarCityShooter: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: One thing that's helped a couple people pick it up who were used to and still trying to find and focus on the front sight was having them do reverse draws start off with a proper presentation holster and re-present on target. I've mentioned it before in other threads not sure about this one but taping over the optic lens to force a target focus and running some drills really helped me a lot. Blue painters tape won’t leave a residue can’t speak for others Great idea, Im going to try that I have plenty of blue painters tape and hate to paint anyway Not mine I can’t take the credit, came from a Pistol Optics instructor course. I brought it back and used it and it benefited others similarly. One of many things I was able to learn that truly helped me. That class is the reason I push others so heavily into taking actual instruction on the subject. I watched every video read every article and thought I had it nailed down with self teaching from that material. Went to the class and I questioned why I was so comfortable before it. |
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Posted: 7/25/2022 11:54:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bm303: So I pocket carry a p365 99% of the time. Have a g45, g17 and G26 as well. I have used an RMR in the past on rental guns and always found I was just way better with irons. However, this Indiana shooting has me wondering if I should explore the dot. I find my scorpion with a dot totally cheating.. no clue if that rolls over to handguns, but the scorp with irons kinda sucks, with a dot it's spectacular. Few questions. 1. is pocket carrying a p365 with a dot a difficult draw? 2. Would you start with getting my g45 milled and a RMR or buy a p365XL or p365x slide and put a 507 on it and a WC XL grip? I really just want something to give RDS a chance and see if I can make the switch. I am very fast with my G17 and irons at reasonably distances. But I am not very confident at ranges above 25 yards. Almost zero chance I ever need to make a defensive shot above that distance, but it seems worth having the option. I don't think I could pocket carry my p365 with or without a dot. Pocket carry is the one area that I think a red dot would be a disadvantage though, I would imagine it would make drawing the gun much harder.....hopefully someone who pocket carries can give you real world experience though. |
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Posted: 7/27/2022 9:01:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PhilDNice]
[#31]
 Sig Perfection
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Posted: 7/27/2022 9:54:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gunnie357]
[#32]
Quote HistoryI know the sig Romeo 1 Pro doesn’t get a lot of love but in my experience it’s a great optic super clear nice window and while it’s not the most durable thing in the world I’m not rappelling from helicopters. I’ve seen more Holosons fail first hand then Sigs. Though I can’t speak for the non-Pro models. ETA: I’m hard on stuff and haven’t managed to destroy mine yet. |
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Posted: 7/27/2022 9:58:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: I know the sig Romeo 1 Pro doesn’t get a lot of love but in my experience it’s a great optic super clear nice window and while it’s not the most durable thing in the world I’m not rappelling from helicopters. I’ve seen more Holosons fail first hand then Sigs. Though I can’t speak for the non-Pro models. ETA: I’m hard on stuff and haven’t managed to destroy mine yet. Ooof! I killed 5 RMRs! No intentional abuse. Haven’t broken a Type 2 yet.
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Posted: 7/27/2022 10:06:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gunnie357]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Henny: Ooof! I killed 5 RMRs! No intentional abuse. Haven’t broken a Type 2 yet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: I know the sig Romeo 1 Pro doesn’t get a lot of love but in my experience it’s a great optic super clear nice window and while it’s not the most durable thing in the world I’m not rappelling from helicopters. I’ve seen more Holosons fail first hand then Sigs. Though I can’t speak for the non-Pro models. ETA: I’m hard on stuff and haven’t managed to destroy mine yet. Ooof! I killed 5 RMRs! No intentional abuse. Haven’t broken a Type 2 yet. Best way to kill one is a highpoint on a holster to rack the slide of the optic from what I’ve heard? How’d you kill yours? As for Romeo’s we had a ton in a class. In the class we had 3 Holosons fail no Romeo’s. ETA: not seen a RmR broken first hand seen some that looked like they’d been used as a hammer though. |
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Posted: 7/27/2022 11:16:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fox2008: I don't think I could pocket carry my p365 with or without a dot. Pocket carry is the one area that I think a red dot would be a disadvantage though, I would imagine it would make drawing the gun much harder.....hopefully someone who pocket carries can give you real world experience though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fox2008: Originally Posted By bm303: So I pocket carry a p365 99% of the time. Have a g45, g17 and G26 as well. I have used an RMR in the past on rental guns and always found I was just way better with irons. However, this Indiana shooting has me wondering if I should explore the dot. I find my scorpion with a dot totally cheating.. no clue if that rolls over to handguns, but the scorp with irons kinda sucks, with a dot it's spectacular. Few questions. 1. is pocket carrying a p365 with a dot a difficult draw? 2. Would you start with getting my g45 milled and a RMR or buy a p365XL or p365x slide and put a 507 on it and a WC XL grip? I really just want something to give RDS a chance and see if I can make the switch. I am very fast with my G17 and irons at reasonably distances. But I am not very confident at ranges above 25 yards. Almost zero chance I ever need to make a defensive shot above that distance, but it seems worth having the option. I don't think I could pocket carry my p365 with or without a dot. Pocket carry is the one area that I think a red dot would be a disadvantage though, I would imagine it would make drawing the gun much harder.....hopefully someone who pocket carries can give you real world experience though. I pocket carry a 365 or Hellcat most days too, and I've been pondering that same question. Right off the bat, my holster would no longer work (Sticky Holsters MD-2) without trimming off an area for the dot to go. For me, at least, the 365 is pushing the upper limit of about 4 1/4" in height that I can conceal in a pocket anyway, so I think it'd be a bust with the extra half inch of a dot. I'd probably just use it as a tiny IWB at that point. I'm probably picking up a 365X some time this week, so I'll try putting that slide on my OG 365 frame and see how it goes. |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 7:02:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Henny]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Best way to kill one is a highpoint on a holster to rack the slide of the optic from what I’ve heard? How’d you kill yours? As for Romeo’s we had a ton in a class. In the class we had 3 Holosons fail no Romeo’s. ETA: not seen a RmR broken first hand seen some that looked like they’d been used as a hammer though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: I know the sig Romeo 1 Pro doesn’t get a lot of love but in my experience it’s a great optic super clear nice window and while it’s not the most durable thing in the world I’m not rappelling from helicopters. I’ve seen more Holosons fail first hand then Sigs. Though I can’t speak for the non-Pro models. ETA: I’m hard on stuff and haven’t managed to destroy mine yet. Ooof! I killed 5 RMRs! No intentional abuse. Haven’t broken a Type 2 yet. Best way to kill one is a highpoint on a holster to rack the slide of the optic from what I’ve heard? How’d you kill yours? As for Romeo’s we had a ton in a class. In the class we had 3 Holosons fail no Romeo’s. ETA: not seen a RmR broken first hand seen some that looked like they’d been used as a hammer though. Back when I was competing and instructing, I’m guessing ( conservatively ) my gun was eating somewhere around 12-15k a year. They all were type 1s. Early Type 1s. I don’t know if that makes a difference or not? I started using RDS on my Glock in 2013, really started training hard with them in 14. I was kind of self taught. There wasn’t much out there back then. I don’t remember if it was 2 or 3 of them lost the ability to hold elevation and the other 2 or 3 would randomly shut off while firing. Trijicon was great! Even though they were well out of warranty they were either replaced for nothing and the one I had to pay a minimal amount. The 5 RMR deaths were between 2 units that went back to Trijicon multiple times. I didn’t use them for hammers or anything like that. Sure I cleared the occasional jam with them, but nothing excessive. They still looked good, just holster worn. Oddly enough, I have a RM03 that despite being my oldest one is still holding up. That one might even be from 2012? It didn’t get near the amount of use, because I liked the smaller red dots more, but it certainly hasn’t been a safe queen. My gunsmith / trainer buddy, was always amazed at my ability to break things. He knows I don’t intentionally abuse my stuff, I just use it. ETA: When going through a class with the above mentioned gun wrench, he remarked, “ If anyone will ever rip a slide off a Glock, it will be you!” I guess I do most things enthusiastically!
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Posted: 7/28/2022 7:48:35 AM EDT
[#37]
Glad you like it. I can’t stand the distraction and look of them. I’ll stick to iron sights.
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Posted: 7/28/2022 9:03:39 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Best way to kill one is a highpoint on a holster to rack the slide of the optic from what I’ve heard? Kind of trivial thing but I had to change from my overhand racking technique to a very deliberate thumb and forefinger slingshot technique to avoid smudging the window on my Holosun. I hate cleaning lenses because of the risk of scratching them. |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 10:38:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tranquility: Kind of trivial thing but I had to change from my overhand racking technique to a very deliberate thumb and forefinger slingshot technique to avoid smudging the window on my Holosun. I hate cleaning lenses because of the risk of scratching them. |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 10:49:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tranquility: Kind of trivial thing but I had to change from my overhand racking technique to a very deliberate thumb and forefinger slingshot technique to avoid smudging the window on my Holosun. I hate cleaning lenses because of the risk of scratching them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tranquility: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Best way to kill one is a highpoint on a holster to rack the slide of the optic from what I’ve heard? Kind of trivial thing but I had to change from my overhand racking technique to a very deliberate thumb and forefinger slingshot technique to avoid smudging the window on my Holosun. I hate cleaning lenses because of the risk of scratching them. I normally use the forward slide serrations if I’m working off the optic I use the rear of my holster where the light belly is. |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 11:15:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Henny: Back when I was competing and instructing, I’m guessing ( conservatively ) my gun was eating somewhere around 12-15k a year. They all were type 1s. Early Type 1s. I don’t know if that makes a difference or not? I started using RDS on my Glock in 2013, really started training hard with them in 14. I was kind of self taught. There wasn’t much out there back then. I don’t remember if it was 2 or 3 of them lost the ability to hold elevation and the other 2 or 3 would randomly shut off while firing. Trijicon was great! Even though they were well out of warranty they were either replaced for nothing and the one I had to pay a minimal amount. The 5 RMR deaths were between 2 units that went back to Trijicon multiple times. I didn’t use them for hammers or anything like that. Sure I cleared the occasional jam with them, but nothing excessive. They still looked good, just holster worn. Oddly enough, I have a RM03 that despite being my oldest one is still holding up. That one might even be from 2012? It didn’t get near the amount of use, because I liked the smaller red dots more, but it certainly hasn’t been a safe queen. My gunsmith / trainer buddy, was always amazed at my ability to break things. He knows I don’t intentionally abuse my stuff, I just use it. ETA: When going through a class with the above mentioned gun wrench, he remarked, “ If anyone will ever rip a slide off a Glock, it will be you!” I guess I do most things enthusiastically! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: I know the sig Romeo 1 Pro doesn’t get a lot of love but in my experience it’s a great optic super clear nice window and while it’s not the most durable thing in the world I’m not rappelling from helicopters. I’ve seen more Holosons fail first hand then Sigs. Though I can’t speak for the non-Pro models. ETA: I’m hard on stuff and haven’t managed to destroy mine yet. Ooof! I killed 5 RMRs! No intentional abuse. Haven’t broken a Type 2 yet. Best way to kill one is a highpoint on a holster to rack the slide of the optic from what I’ve heard? How’d you kill yours? As for Romeo’s we had a ton in a class. In the class we had 3 Holosons fail no Romeo’s. ETA: not seen a RmR broken first hand seen some that looked like they’d been used as a hammer though. Back when I was competing and instructing, I’m guessing ( conservatively ) my gun was eating somewhere around 12-15k a year. They all were type 1s. Early Type 1s. I don’t know if that makes a difference or not? I started using RDS on my Glock in 2013, really started training hard with them in 14. I was kind of self taught. There wasn’t much out there back then. I don’t remember if it was 2 or 3 of them lost the ability to hold elevation and the other 2 or 3 would randomly shut off while firing. Trijicon was great! Even though they were well out of warranty they were either replaced for nothing and the one I had to pay a minimal amount. The 5 RMR deaths were between 2 units that went back to Trijicon multiple times. I didn’t use them for hammers or anything like that. Sure I cleared the occasional jam with them, but nothing excessive. They still looked good, just holster worn. Oddly enough, I have a RM03 that despite being my oldest one is still holding up. That one might even be from 2012? It didn’t get near the amount of use, because I liked the smaller red dots more, but it certainly hasn’t been a safe queen. My gunsmith / trainer buddy, was always amazed at my ability to break things. He knows I don’t intentionally abuse my stuff, I just use it. ETA: When going through a class with the above mentioned gun wrench, he remarked, “ If anyone will ever rip a slide off a Glock, it will be you!” I guess I do most things enthusiastically! I’ve got a 590a1 with a optic plate that cowitnesses with the ghost ring. I need to pick up a RMR for. It’s just hard to spend that kind of money on one. There really highly regarded and for good reason. Funny I’m kind of the same way break a anvil with a rubber mallet kind of guy and I don’t abuse things but they certainly get used. |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 4:11:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: [i] Now see how far off the irons have to be to not even see the dot? Embarrassing.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 4:58:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: I’ve got a 590a1 with a optic plate that cowitnesses with the ghost ring. I need to pick up a RMR for. It’s just hard to spend that kind of money on one. There really highly regarded and for good reason. Funny I’m kind of the same way break a anvil with a rubber mallet kind of guy and I don’t abuse things but they certainly get used. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: I know the sig Romeo 1 Pro doesn’t get a lot of love but in my experience it’s a great optic super clear nice window and while it’s not the most durable thing in the world I’m not rappelling from helicopters. I’ve seen more Holosons fail first hand then Sigs. Though I can’t speak for the non-Pro models. ETA: I’m hard on stuff and haven’t managed to destroy mine yet. Ooof! I killed 5 RMRs! No intentional abuse. Haven’t broken a Type 2 yet. Best way to kill one is a highpoint on a holster to rack the slide of the optic from what I’ve heard? How’d you kill yours? As for Romeo’s we had a ton in a class. In the class we had 3 Holosons fail no Romeo’s. ETA: not seen a RmR broken first hand seen some that looked like they’d been used as a hammer though. Back when I was competing and instructing, I’m guessing ( conservatively ) my gun was eating somewhere around 12-15k a year. They all were type 1s. Early Type 1s. I don’t know if that makes a difference or not? I started using RDS on my Glock in 2013, really started training hard with them in 14. I was kind of self taught. There wasn’t much out there back then. I don’t remember if it was 2 or 3 of them lost the ability to hold elevation and the other 2 or 3 would randomly shut off while firing. Trijicon was great! Even though they were well out of warranty they were either replaced for nothing and the one I had to pay a minimal amount. The 5 RMR deaths were between 2 units that went back to Trijicon multiple times. I didn’t use them for hammers or anything like that. Sure I cleared the occasional jam with them, but nothing excessive. They still looked good, just holster worn. Oddly enough, I have a RM03 that despite being my oldest one is still holding up. That one might even be from 2012? It didn’t get near the amount of use, because I liked the smaller red dots more, but it certainly hasn’t been a safe queen. My gunsmith / trainer buddy, was always amazed at my ability to break things. He knows I don’t intentionally abuse my stuff, I just use it. ETA: When going through a class with the above mentioned gun wrench, he remarked, “ If anyone will ever rip a slide off a Glock, it will be you!” I guess I do most things enthusiastically! I’ve got a 590a1 with a optic plate that cowitnesses with the ghost ring. I need to pick up a RMR for. It’s just hard to spend that kind of money on one. There really highly regarded and for good reason. Funny I’m kind of the same way break a anvil with a rubber mallet kind of guy and I don’t abuse things but they certainly get used. Well, do you know what Gunnie? You’re one of the guys in the shooting threads. Look at the guys there. All at a minimum are dedicated shooters. Some are outstanding shooters. Very humbling! But I’m betting most of us in those threads are labeled as anvil breakers by our associates, because we actually shoot on a regular basis! Most people don’t! Most people maybe a few times a year! I’m guessing most of the people in those drill threads shoot multiple times a month if not week. The latest shooting thread @03RN was mentioning his revolver skipping. How many people actually shoot a revolver enough to the point it malfunctions? I’ve only done it to two, a 629 and a model 60. That was back when I carried a revolver daily. There’s a good group of shooters on this board. I listen t what many of them say. There’s a lot of combined experience! |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 5:40:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Henny: Well, do you know what Gunnie? You’re one of the guys in the shooting threads. Look at the guys there. All at a minimum are dedicated shooters. Some are outstanding shooters. Very humbling! But I’m betting most of us in those threads are labeled as anvil breakers by our associates, because we actually shoot on a regular basis! Most people don’t! Most people maybe a few times a year! I’m guessing most of the people in those drill threads shoot multiple times a month if not week. The latest shooting thread @03RN was mentioning his revolver skipping. How many people actually shoot a revolver enough to the point it malfunctions? I’ve only done it to two, a 629 and a model 60. That was back when I carried a revolver daily. There’s a good group of shooters on this board. I listen t what many of them say. There’s a lot of combined experience! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: I know the sig Romeo 1 Pro doesn’t get a lot of love but in my experience it’s a great optic super clear nice window and while it’s not the most durable thing in the world I’m not rappelling from helicopters. I’ve seen more Holosons fail first hand then Sigs. Though I can’t speak for the non-Pro models. ETA: I’m hard on stuff and haven’t managed to destroy mine yet. Ooof! I killed 5 RMRs! No intentional abuse. Haven’t broken a Type 2 yet. Best way to kill one is a highpoint on a holster to rack the slide of the optic from what I’ve heard? How’d you kill yours? As for Romeo’s we had a ton in a class. In the class we had 3 Holosons fail no Romeo’s. ETA: not seen a RmR broken first hand seen some that looked like they’d been used as a hammer though. Back when I was competing and instructing, I’m guessing ( conservatively ) my gun was eating somewhere around 12-15k a year. They all were type 1s. Early Type 1s. I don’t know if that makes a difference or not? I started using RDS on my Glock in 2013, really started training hard with them in 14. I was kind of self taught. There wasn’t much out there back then. I don’t remember if it was 2 or 3 of them lost the ability to hold elevation and the other 2 or 3 would randomly shut off while firing. Trijicon was great! Even though they were well out of warranty they were either replaced for nothing and the one I had to pay a minimal amount. The 5 RMR deaths were between 2 units that went back to Trijicon multiple times. I didn’t use them for hammers or anything like that. Sure I cleared the occasional jam with them, but nothing excessive. They still looked good, just holster worn. Oddly enough, I have a RM03 that despite being my oldest one is still holding up. That one might even be from 2012? It didn’t get near the amount of use, because I liked the smaller red dots more, but it certainly hasn’t been a safe queen. My gunsmith / trainer buddy, was always amazed at my ability to break things. He knows I don’t intentionally abuse my stuff, I just use it. ETA: When going through a class with the above mentioned gun wrench, he remarked, “ If anyone will ever rip a slide off a Glock, it will be you!” I guess I do most things enthusiastically! I’ve got a 590a1 with a optic plate that cowitnesses with the ghost ring. I need to pick up a RMR for. It’s just hard to spend that kind of money on one. There really highly regarded and for good reason. Funny I’m kind of the same way break a anvil with a rubber mallet kind of guy and I don’t abuse things but they certainly get used. Well, do you know what Gunnie? You’re one of the guys in the shooting threads. Look at the guys there. All at a minimum are dedicated shooters. Some are outstanding shooters. Very humbling! But I’m betting most of us in those threads are labeled as anvil breakers by our associates, because we actually shoot on a regular basis! Most people don’t! Most people maybe a few times a year! I’m guessing most of the people in those drill threads shoot multiple times a month if not week. The latest shooting thread @03RN was mentioning his revolver skipping. How many people actually shoot a revolver enough to the point it malfunctions? I’ve only done it to two, a 629 and a model 60. That was back when I carried a revolver daily. There’s a good group of shooters on this board. I listen t what many of them say. There’s a lot of combined experience! That m66 has over 25k full power loads, at least that of .38+p, and an uncountable number of dryfireing. Hence the skipping cylinder. That cylinder stop slamming into the notch takes a toll. Gunnie357 I've seen the DI ones as cheap as $275 recently in the EE. That should be a good choice for the 590. |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 7:15:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Henny: Well, do you know what Gunnie? You’re one of the guys in the shooting threads. Look at the guys there. All at a minimum are dedicated shooters. Some are outstanding shooters. Very humbling! But I’m betting most of us in those threads are labeled as anvil breakers by our associates, because we actually shoot on a regular basis! Most people don’t! Most people maybe a few times a year! I’m guessing most of the people in those drill threads shoot multiple times a month if not week. The latest shooting thread @03RN was mentioning his revolver skipping. How many people actually shoot a revolver enough to the point it malfunctions? I’ve only done it to two, a 629 and a model 60. That was back when I carried a revolver daily. There’s a good group of shooters on this board. I listen t what many of them say. There’s a lot of combined experience! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: I know the sig Romeo 1 Pro doesn’t get a lot of love but in my experience it’s a great optic super clear nice window and while it’s not the most durable thing in the world I’m not rappelling from helicopters. I’ve seen more Holosons fail first hand then Sigs. Though I can’t speak for the non-Pro models. ETA: I’m hard on stuff and haven’t managed to destroy mine yet. Ooof! I killed 5 RMRs! No intentional abuse. Haven’t broken a Type 2 yet. Best way to kill one is a highpoint on a holster to rack the slide of the optic from what I’ve heard? How’d you kill yours? As for Romeo’s we had a ton in a class. In the class we had 3 Holosons fail no Romeo’s. ETA: not seen a RmR broken first hand seen some that looked like they’d been used as a hammer though. Back when I was competing and instructing, I’m guessing ( conservatively ) my gun was eating somewhere around 12-15k a year. They all were type 1s. Early Type 1s. I don’t know if that makes a difference or not? I started using RDS on my Glock in 2013, really started training hard with them in 14. I was kind of self taught. There wasn’t much out there back then. I don’t remember if it was 2 or 3 of them lost the ability to hold elevation and the other 2 or 3 would randomly shut off while firing. Trijicon was great! Even though they were well out of warranty they were either replaced for nothing and the one I had to pay a minimal amount. The 5 RMR deaths were between 2 units that went back to Trijicon multiple times. I didn’t use them for hammers or anything like that. Sure I cleared the occasional jam with them, but nothing excessive. They still looked good, just holster worn. Oddly enough, I have a RM03 that despite being my oldest one is still holding up. That one might even be from 2012? It didn’t get near the amount of use, because I liked the smaller red dots more, but it certainly hasn’t been a safe queen. My gunsmith / trainer buddy, was always amazed at my ability to break things. He knows I don’t intentionally abuse my stuff, I just use it. ETA: When going through a class with the above mentioned gun wrench, he remarked, “ If anyone will ever rip a slide off a Glock, it will be you!” I guess I do most things enthusiastically! I’ve got a 590a1 with a optic plate that cowitnesses with the ghost ring. I need to pick up a RMR for. It’s just hard to spend that kind of money on one. There really highly regarded and for good reason. Funny I’m kind of the same way break a anvil with a rubber mallet kind of guy and I don’t abuse things but they certainly get used. Well, do you know what Gunnie? You’re one of the guys in the shooting threads. Look at the guys there. All at a minimum are dedicated shooters. Some are outstanding shooters. Very humbling! But I’m betting most of us in those threads are labeled as anvil breakers by our associates, because we actually shoot on a regular basis! Most people don’t! Most people maybe a few times a year! I’m guessing most of the people in those drill threads shoot multiple times a month if not week. The latest shooting thread @03RN was mentioning his revolver skipping. How many people actually shoot a revolver enough to the point it malfunctions? I’ve only done it to two, a 629 and a model 60. That was back when I carried a revolver daily. There’s a good group of shooters on this board. I listen t what many of them say. There’s a lot of combined experience! I try to shoot regularly to keep up skills. We’ve got some guys that truly are excellent shooters around this place and it’s great makes me for one want to do that much better. I’m stoked for the regular drill thread |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 7:16:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gunnie357]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: That m66 has over 25k full power loads, at least that of .38+p, and an uncountable number of dryfireing. Hence the skipping cylinder. That cylinder stop slamming into the notch takes a toll. Gunnie357 I've seen the DI ones as cheap as $275 recently in the EE. That should be a good choice for the 590. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: I know the sig Romeo 1 Pro doesn’t get a lot of love but in my experience it’s a great optic super clear nice window and while it’s not the most durable thing in the world I’m not rappelling from helicopters. I’ve seen more Holosons fail first hand then Sigs. Though I can’t speak for the non-Pro models. ETA: I’m hard on stuff and haven’t managed to destroy mine yet. Ooof! I killed 5 RMRs! No intentional abuse. Haven’t broken a Type 2 yet. Best way to kill one is a highpoint on a holster to rack the slide of the optic from what I’ve heard? How’d you kill yours? As for Romeo’s we had a ton in a class. In the class we had 3 Holosons fail no Romeo’s. ETA: not seen a RmR broken first hand seen some that looked like they’d been used as a hammer though. Back when I was competing and instructing, I’m guessing ( conservatively ) my gun was eating somewhere around 12-15k a year. They all were type 1s. Early Type 1s. I don’t know if that makes a difference or not? I started using RDS on my Glock in 2013, really started training hard with them in 14. I was kind of self taught. There wasn’t much out there back then. I don’t remember if it was 2 or 3 of them lost the ability to hold elevation and the other 2 or 3 would randomly shut off while firing. Trijicon was great! Even though they were well out of warranty they were either replaced for nothing and the one I had to pay a minimal amount. The 5 RMR deaths were between 2 units that went back to Trijicon multiple times. I didn’t use them for hammers or anything like that. Sure I cleared the occasional jam with them, but nothing excessive. They still looked good, just holster worn. Oddly enough, I have a RM03 that despite being my oldest one is still holding up. That one might even be from 2012? It didn’t get near the amount of use, because I liked the smaller red dots more, but it certainly hasn’t been a safe queen. My gunsmith / trainer buddy, was always amazed at my ability to break things. He knows I don’t intentionally abuse my stuff, I just use it. ETA: When going through a class with the above mentioned gun wrench, he remarked, “ If anyone will ever rip a slide off a Glock, it will be you!” I guess I do most things enthusiastically! I’ve got a 590a1 with a optic plate that cowitnesses with the ghost ring. I need to pick up a RMR for. It’s just hard to spend that kind of money on one. There really highly regarded and for good reason. Funny I’m kind of the same way break a anvil with a rubber mallet kind of guy and I don’t abuse things but they certainly get used. Well, do you know what Gunnie? You’re one of the guys in the shooting threads. Look at the guys there. All at a minimum are dedicated shooters. Some are outstanding shooters. Very humbling! But I’m betting most of us in those threads are labeled as anvil breakers by our associates, because we actually shoot on a regular basis! Most people don’t! Most people maybe a few times a year! I’m guessing most of the people in those drill threads shoot multiple times a month if not week. The latest shooting thread @03RN was mentioning his revolver skipping. How many people actually shoot a revolver enough to the point it malfunctions? I’ve only done it to two, a 629 and a model 60. That was back when I carried a revolver daily. There’s a good group of shooters on this board. I listen t what many of them say. There’s a lot of combined experience! That m66 has over 25k full power loads, at least that of .38+p, and an uncountable number of dryfireing. Hence the skipping cylinder. That cylinder stop slamming into the notch takes a toll. Gunnie357 I've seen the DI ones as cheap as $275 recently in the EE. That should be a good choice for the 590. I’ve seen a couple they go quick I’ll catch one my only concern about the DI models is the weapon light washing out the dot. I need to ask in this thread see if anyones having issues with that. |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 8:00:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: I’ve seen a couple they go quick I’ll catch one my only concern about the DI models is the weapon light washing out the dot. I need to ask in this thread see if anyones having issues with that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Henny: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: I know the sig Romeo 1 Pro doesn’t get a lot of love but in my experience it’s a great optic super clear nice window and while it’s not the most durable thing in the world I’m not rappelling from helicopters. I’ve seen more Holosons fail first hand then Sigs. Though I can’t speak for the non-Pro models. ETA: I’m hard on stuff and haven’t managed to destroy mine yet. Ooof! I killed 5 RMRs! No intentional abuse. Haven’t broken a Type 2 yet. Best way to kill one is a highpoint on a holster to rack the slide of the optic from what I’ve heard? How’d you kill yours? As for Romeo’s we had a ton in a class. In the class we had 3 Holosons fail no Romeo’s. ETA: not seen a RmR broken first hand seen some that looked like they’d been used as a hammer though. Back when I was competing and instructing, I’m guessing ( conservatively ) my gun was eating somewhere around 12-15k a year. They all were type 1s. Early Type 1s. I don’t know if that makes a difference or not? I started using RDS on my Glock in 2013, really started training hard with them in 14. I was kind of self taught. There wasn’t much out there back then. I don’t remember if it was 2 or 3 of them lost the ability to hold elevation and the other 2 or 3 would randomly shut off while firing. Trijicon was great! Even though they were well out of warranty they were either replaced for nothing and the one I had to pay a minimal amount. The 5 RMR deaths were between 2 units that went back to Trijicon multiple times. I didn’t use them for hammers or anything like that. Sure I cleared the occasional jam with them, but nothing excessive. They still looked good, just holster worn. Oddly enough, I have a RM03 that despite being my oldest one is still holding up. That one might even be from 2012? It didn’t get near the amount of use, because I liked the smaller red dots more, but it certainly hasn’t been a safe queen. My gunsmith / trainer buddy, was always amazed at my ability to break things. He knows I don’t intentionally abuse my stuff, I just use it. ETA: When going through a class with the above mentioned gun wrench, he remarked, “ If anyone will ever rip a slide off a Glock, it will be you!” I guess I do most things enthusiastically! I’ve got a 590a1 with a optic plate that cowitnesses with the ghost ring. I need to pick up a RMR for. It’s just hard to spend that kind of money on one. There really highly regarded and for good reason. Funny I’m kind of the same way break a anvil with a rubber mallet kind of guy and I don’t abuse things but they certainly get used. Well, do you know what Gunnie? You’re one of the guys in the shooting threads. Look at the guys there. All at a minimum are dedicated shooters. Some are outstanding shooters. Very humbling! But I’m betting most of us in those threads are labeled as anvil breakers by our associates, because we actually shoot on a regular basis! Most people don’t! Most people maybe a few times a year! I’m guessing most of the people in those drill threads shoot multiple times a month if not week. The latest shooting thread @03RN was mentioning his revolver skipping. How many people actually shoot a revolver enough to the point it malfunctions? I’ve only done it to two, a 629 and a model 60. That was back when I carried a revolver daily. There’s a good group of shooters on this board. I listen t what many of them say. There’s a lot of combined experience! That m66 has over 25k full power loads, at least that of .38+p, and an uncountable number of dryfireing. Hence the skipping cylinder. That cylinder stop slamming into the notch takes a toll. Gunnie357 I've seen the DI ones as cheap as $275 recently in the EE. That should be a good choice for the 590. I’ve seen a couple they go quick I’ll catch one my only concern about the DI models is the weapon light washing out the dot. I need to ask in this thread see if anyones having issues with that. It can happen but last time I messed around with it I think I found it was a less of an issue with a long gun. There's a di rmr on my wife's g19 that's really just a range gun but I've fiddled with it on long guns. I think the DI models are worse for handguns. Shooting from a dark shadow/room into a bright area is the bigger deal. Acogs have the same issues as well. I'll see if I can get pics tonight when I get home. |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 11:19:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: spydercomonkey]
[#48]
So close and yet so far.
Firing at 15yd today, had 4 rounds in the same hole...and then that damn 5th shot. 
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Posted: 7/28/2022 11:33:01 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: So close and yet so far. Firing at 15yd today, had 4 rounds in the same hole...and then that damn 5th shot. https://i.ibb.co/ZdqG9JG/Glock-17-L-5-shot-group-15yd.jpg 17L, 24, or a 40? Fine shooting in my book |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:55:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: 17L, 24, or a 40? Fine shooting in my book Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: So close and yet so far. Firing at 15yd today, had 4 rounds in the same hole...and then that damn 5th shot. https://i.ibb.co/ZdqG9JG/Glock-17-L-5-shot-group-15yd.jpg 17L, 24, or a 40? Fine shooting in my book Thanks, it's a 17L. |
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