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Link Posted: 4/7/2016 11:43:39 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AJE:


I think this is the main thing that is bugging me about this whole concept.

The compensator just makes the whole thing stupid to me.  Making up some bullshit about special ops just makes it a joke.

You know what they need more than anything?  A gun to work 100% of the time. The best way to do that is not to add a bunch of shit to it.  

I question the legitimacy of the claims that these are in any kind of widespread use in special operations.
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Originally Posted By AJE:

And of course, we declare that this is a "special" pistol, for "special" people, as if the concept and application can't then be critiqued.


I think this is the main thing that is bugging me about this whole concept.

The compensator just makes the whole thing stupid to me.  Making up some bullshit about special ops just makes it a joke.

You know what they need more than anything?  A gun to work 100% of the time. The best way to do that is not to add a bunch of shit to it.  

I question the legitimacy of the claims that these are in any kind of widespread use in special operations.



You make a really good point right there.
Link Posted: 4/7/2016 1:06:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AJE:


I think this is the main thing that is bugging me about this whole concept.

The compensator just makes the whole thing stupid to me.  Making up some bullshit about special ops just makes it a joke.

You know what they need more than anything?  A gun to work 100% of the time. The best way to do that is not to add a bunch of shit to it.  

I question the legitimacy of the claims that these are in any kind of widespread use in special operations.
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Originally Posted By AJE:

And of course, we declare that this is a "special" pistol, for "special" people, as if the concept and application can't then be critiqued.


I think this is the main thing that is bugging me about this whole concept.

The compensator just makes the whole thing stupid to me.  Making up some bullshit about special ops just makes it a joke.

You know what they need more than anything?  A gun to work 100% of the time. The best way to do that is not to add a bunch of shit to it.  

I question the legitimacy of the claims that these are in any kind of widespread use in special operations.


I question it as well. There is probably gonna be some SF guy go and build one just to make it real.
Link Posted: 4/7/2016 2:15:17 PM EST
Concerning the Cool Guys running fancy Glocks, I saw this on a Facebook page for service sidearms and clones. Caption mentioned guys from Bragg. Holster is AMS-6S.








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Sent you an IM.
Link Posted: 4/7/2016 7:30:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheGunslinger:
Concerning the Cool Guys running fancy Glocks, I saw this on a Facebook page for service sidearms and clones. Caption mentioned guys from Bragg. Holster is AMS-6S.

<a href="http://s630.photobucket.com/user/TheHiddenMan/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1460055855754_zpsdhdybdms.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu24/TheHiddenMan/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1460055855754_zpsdhdybdms.jpg</a>
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ALG 6 second mount?
Link Posted: 4/8/2016 8:00:53 AM EST
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ALG 6 second mount?
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Originally Posted By SharnPenndroen:
Originally Posted By TheGunslinger:
Concerning the Cool Guys running fancy Glocks, I saw this on a Facebook page for service sidearms and clones. Caption mentioned guys from Bragg. Holster is AMS-6S.

<a href="http://s630.photobucket.com/user/TheHiddenMan/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1460055855754_zpsdhdybdms.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu24/TheHiddenMan/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1460055855754_zpsdhdybdms.jpg</a>
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ALG 6 second mount?


Looks different but weren't the ALG mounts designed for Delta for clearing airplanes?
Link Posted: 4/8/2016 8:08:45 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Yeah, it's a 6 Second Mount.





And yeah, if you read between the lines, that seems to be the case.





Pictures might have originally come from this SSD article:


http://soldiersystems.net/2015/03/20/advanced-holster-6-second-mount-holster/
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Originally Posted By TheNuge:




Originally Posted By SharnPenndroen:




Originally Posted By TheGunslinger:


Concerning the Cool Guys running fancy Glocks, I saw this on a Facebook page for service sidearms and clones. Caption mentioned guys from Bragg. Holster is AMS-6S.





<a href="http://s630.photobucket.com/user/TheHiddenMan/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1460055855754_zpsdhdybdms.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu24/TheHiddenMan/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1460055855754_zpsdhdybdms.jpg</a>


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ALG 6 second mount?








Looks different but weren't the ALG mounts designed for Delta for clearing airplanes?





Yeah, it's a 6 Second Mount.





And yeah, if you read between the lines, that seems to be the case.





Pictures might have originally come from this SSD article:


http://soldiersystems.net/2015/03/20/advanced-holster-6-second-mount-holster/





 
Most interesting part of the article...







"and fit a full-size Glock with the following accessories:



– 6 Second Mount


– External Compensator


– Surefire X-series Weapon Light"





Looks like a small bit of evidence further validating the use of comps such as those used in the Roland Special.




 
Link Posted: 4/8/2016 6:58:56 PM EST
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 8:15:28 AM EST
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as was posted on Soldier Systems Link of Holster + Cool Guy Mount...

ETA: See I was beat

The comp makes more sense on a G22....not as much sense on a 9mm G19 that isn't running major power factor loads...
Link Posted: 4/9/2016 7:11:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By matt7184:


as was posted on Soldier Systems Link of Holster + Cool Guy Mount...

ETA: See I was beat

The comp makes more sense on a G22....not as much sense on a 9mm G19 that isn't running major power factor loads...
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Originally Posted By matt7184:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
What page?


as was posted on Soldier Systems Link of Holster + Cool Guy Mount...

ETA: See I was beat

The comp makes more sense on a G22....not as much sense on a 9mm G19 that isn't running major power factor loads...


Rumor has it that +P duty rounds are what is being ran with the Roland Special. No clue what brand or grain though. I'm assuming a 124gr +P hollow point of some sort.
Link Posted: 4/10/2016 11:05:44 AM EST
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For what it's worth, Vickers told a few of us hanging around that his favorite carry ammo was Win 124 +P+, which was what his "old unit" was using.
(This was a year ago; about two years ago, when talking to Kyle Lamb about why he liked M&Ps when his old unit used G22s, he mentioned that they had to use 165gr ammo because 180gr stuff was too hard on the guns.)
Link Posted: 4/12/2016 9:11:21 AM EST
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At 124:40, the origin of the Roland Special, straight from Roland.....

Link Posted: 4/12/2016 11:59:34 AM EST
Not sure if I missed it in there....I just heard holster discussion.
Link Posted: 4/12/2016 12:20:21 PM EST
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Not sure if I missed it in there....I just heard holster discussion.
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You missed it.
Link Posted: 4/12/2016 1:02:39 PM EST
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Its around the 2:05 mark.

Still think this concept as printed in the Guns & Ammo article is a joke though.
Link Posted: 4/12/2016 1:20:09 PM EST
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You missed it.
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Originally Posted By detacbob:
Not sure if I missed it in there....I just heard holster discussion.


You missed it.


I got it now.  I read your annotation wrong on my tiny phone screen.  Thanks for posting it.
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 6:23:09 AM EST
There's a newer podcast and the whole thing is about the Roland Glock. Sounds pretty drunk but worth a listen.
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 10:10:48 AM EST
Wow. Thats pretty interesting to hear how not born out of necessity the whole thing was. Even when discussing performance after the fact it was all about how it was an improvement over the same modifications in a glock 17 frame.
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 12:38:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheNuge:
There's a newer podcast and the whole thing is about the Roland Glock. Sounds pretty drunk but worth a listen.
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Link? I'm not familiar with pod casts and how they work. Can I listen from my iPad?
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 12:53:37 PM EST
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Link? I'm not familiar with pod casts and how they work. Can I listen from my iPad?
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Originally Posted By TheNuge:
There's a newer podcast and the whole thing is about the Roland Glock. Sounds pretty drunk but worth a listen.


Link? I'm not familiar with pod casts and how they work. Can I listen from my iPad?


Go to your podcast app on the iPad/iPhone and type in "primary secondary" (no quotes) in the search box, you should see it. Try the latest episode, hadn't listened to it in awhile so not sure which episode title deals with the RS. You can download it for later or just click play and listen now right on the iPad or iPhone.

ETA - Here is the youtube link to the episode:(NSFW language)
P&S Roland Special
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 2:09:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By theblackcat:


Go to your podcast app on the iPad/iPhone and type in "primary secondary" (no quotes) in the search box, you should see it. Try the latest episode, hadn't listened to it in awhile so not sure which episode title deals with the RS. You can download it for later or just click play and listen now right on the iPad or iPhone.

ETA - Here is the youtube link to the episode:(NSFW language)
P&S Roland Special
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Originally Posted By ak4784:
Originally Posted By TheNuge:
There's a newer podcast and the whole thing is about the Roland Glock. Sounds pretty drunk but worth a listen.


Link? I'm not familiar with pod casts and how they work. Can I listen from my iPad?


Go to your podcast app on the iPad/iPhone and type in "primary secondary" (no quotes) in the search box, you should see it. Try the latest episode, hadn't listened to it in awhile so not sure which episode title deals with the RS. You can download it for later or just click play and listen now right on the iPad or iPhone.

ETA - Here is the youtube link to the episode:(NSFW language)
P&S Roland Special


That's clipped from the full length episode that Airborne posted which does make it easier.
Link Posted: 4/13/2016 10:28:05 PM EST
I'll Upload the Roland Special segment to iTunes/Stitcher now.
Link Posted: 4/14/2016 12:15:12 AM EST
...and the only reason it was called the "Gunslinger Special" is because I called it that once in an article so people wouldn't associate it with the man Roland because he wanted to be lower profile in April 2015..
Link Posted: 4/14/2016 12:32:42 AM EST
Sweet. Thanks guys. My first pod cast experience
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Great podcast Matt. You and the guys are both entertaining and informative.
Link Posted: 4/14/2016 11:15:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AJE:


I think this is the main thing that is bugging me about this whole concept.

The compensator just makes the whole thing stupid to me.  Making up some bullshit about special ops just makes it a joke.

You know what they need more than anything?  A gun to work 100% of the time. The best way to do that is not to add a bunch of shit to it.  

I question the legitimacy of the claims that these are in any kind of widespread use in special operations.
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Originally Posted By AJE:

And of course, we declare that this is a "special" pistol, for "special" people, as if the concept and application can't then be critiqued.


I think this is the main thing that is bugging me about this whole concept.

The compensator just makes the whole thing stupid to me.  Making up some bullshit about special ops just makes it a joke.

You know what they need more than anything?  A gun to work 100% of the time. The best way to do that is not to add a bunch of shit to it.  

I question the legitimacy of the claims that these are in any kind of widespread use in special operations.

Yep, sounds like somebody is trying to sell something.
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Link Posted: 4/14/2016 4:00:19 PM EST
I am itching to get this build done.....can't find an RM06 anywhere (wholesale)!

I do have some various reloading components on the way to try out, in addition to the factory ammo I listed earlier.

VV 3N37, Remington 5 1/2 primers, 124gr and 147gr projectiles, etc.

Anticipation is killing me.

I did however get a Gen3 G17 setup with a 6 second mount and H1.  I'll be taking that out to the range this weekend along with a few 22rd ETS mags and an ENDO adapter.  I hope it's enough to tide me over.
Link Posted: 4/14/2016 4:44:51 PM EST
I named it that as a tongue in cheek (Saturday Night Special) yet still provide recognition of the person that introduced it to me.

The whole thing is centered around performance. With an RMR you have a short window, the comp helps mitigate recoil so you can keep your eye on the dot versus loosing it with recoil.

I don't believe any of us made the claim that this is a special operations operator tool to operate with. This combo provides a fast and efficient option with greater accuracy compared to your stock Glock. Obviously to maximize it, training and practice need to occur.

Link Posted: 4/14/2016 6:34:35 PM EST
It's definitely an interesting idea. I like that it completely removes sight radius from the accuracy equation. I'm thinking about doing an ATOM slide with a Vortex.
Link Posted: 4/15/2016 12:17:48 AM EST
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I don't believe any of us made the claim that this is a special operations operator tool to operate with.

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The G&A article certainly implies it.
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The G&A article certainly implies it.
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Originally Posted By Riafdnal:


I don't believe any of us made the claim that this is a special operations operator tool to operate with.



The G&A article certainly implies it.


Yeah - compare the article to what Roland said directly.
Link Posted: 4/15/2016 3:39:55 AM EST
So the concept was just a lark and is kind of an inside joke among friends that its become popular online.



The concept adds weight plus a new failure point with the main benefits being it keeps the light clean and gives a boringly reliable pistol a "soul".




The explanation actually makes more sense than some super secret ninja project. Who doesnt like fucking with something just because they can? I was the first guy I ever saw cut lightning cuts in a heavy slide on a long dustcover limited gun back in 1997 just to see if it would keep the flip down that tiny bit more. We were making our own fiber optic sites because no one sold them. I was in a group of guys with access to a full tool room so we did all kinds of shit just because we could. Which is exactly what the Roland special sounds like.




























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The G&A article certainly implies it.
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Originally Posted By Riafdnal:


I don't believe any of us made the claim that this is a special operations operator tool to operate with.



The G&A article certainly implies it.


Roland says in the beginning of most podcasts that he's a 26 year vet, former ranger, and some special ops group that I can't remember the name of. Asymmetric warfare or something?
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Roland says in the beginning of most podcasts that he's a 26 year vet, former ranger, and some special ops group that I can't remember the name of. Asymmetric warfare or something?
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Originally Posted By StevenH:
Originally Posted By Riafdnal:


I don't believe any of us made the claim that this is a special operations operator tool to operate with.



The G&A article certainly implies it.


Roland says in the beginning of most podcasts that he's a 26 year vet, former ranger, and some special ops group that I can't remember the name of. Asymmetric warfare or something?


Plank holder at the Asymmetric Warfare Group - is the most recent amount of info he is willing to share.
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 10:30:46 AM EST
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Link Posted: 4/16/2016 12:09:20 PM EST
What holsters are available?
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Link Posted: 4/16/2016 12:53:44 PM EST
Yeah I bought the optic G34 holster from safariland. ($240! YOWZA) but I'm also looking for a good IWB holster for appendix carry. I'm looking for one that's available and was wondering if any of the "tier one antiterror assets" here knew of any.
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 1:27:26 PM EST
I use the Raven Concealment - Vanguard 3 as my edc holster for the Roland Special.
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  Which magwell / trigger is that?
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Originally Posted By Lancelot:

  Which magwell / trigger is that?


Looks like the Apex Tactical trigger, and a Zev Pro magwell.
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 7:50:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Airborne_Infantryman:


Looks like the Apex Tactical trigger, and a Zev Pro magwell.
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  Which magwell / trigger is that?


Looks like the Apex Tactical trigger, and a Zev Pro magwell.

That is correct.

I used my Roland in an ICore match today and was impressed with how well the sights tracked. I was just shooting 115 gr factory loads, I want to try to make some 115 +p loads now.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 9:32:05 PM EST
I just listened to that podcast today. Lol
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  Which magwell / trigger is that?

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  Which magwell / trigger is that?





 
And which compensator?




Thank you.
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  And which compensator?


Thank you.
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  Which magwell / trigger is that?

  And which compensator?


Thank you.

KKM Comp and barrel.
Link Posted: 4/18/2016 10:26:38 PM EST
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Here is some of the early discussions of the buzz:

https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-roland-special.827/
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