Posted: 11/1/2007 11:24:32 AM EDT
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I have a hard time believing that everyone is having problems with them, mine runs like a champ, Some of the early models had problems but they have ironed a lot of those out. I think the problem that a lot of people have with it is that it doesn't taste the same as the glock coolaid... |
Yeah, I've got over 500+ rounds through both my M&P compact 9mm and full size .40s&w and I have had absolutely zero problems...But I've never had any problems with any of the handguns I have owned...sig, xd, m&p... 
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I really have not seen much bad about the M&P out there. I remember one of the first reviews here was a PD T&E and the guy said some pins were walking, but IIRC, that was the only negative I have read, and I think that problem was taken care of..... Anyhow, hard to go wrong with the Glock... |
Sorry bro, either $469 + tax for the M&P (which has only been out a short time...coming up on 2yrs? and in my mind still has to work out some kinks) Or $450 Total for the G17 (been around for 20yrs, best all around 9mm IMO) But Hey, I won't lie....I was tempted... |
Are you slamming a Glock for its name? or simply stating it would of been as solid as a block, which they are 
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I am saying that is what they feel like to me, a block. Just personal opinion, I don't like them, probably will never own one of them! Yes, they are reliable. I just like my other ones better...that are reliable as well. |
I've been there a few times in the past 2 months.... This is what I found: M&P Pistol Tech Difficulties |
That's a new one on me.
Not really a big deal.
Has happened to some. If they were going to worry, I'd be more worried about the striker issue than any of that other stuff. That is, after all, the one thing on the list that could shorten your lifespan. Every weapon has teething issues. People forget that Glocks have been reworked a bunch of times over the years. |
There is an AR15 troubleshooting forum here that has almost as many posts and topics as the entire MP-pistol forums....Just because Berettaforums and glocktalk don't have a troubleshooting/problems forums does not mean that it don't happen.... |
I agree, Glocks have had their issues, BUT most have been worked out over the many years that they have had the opportunity to, this is why for now.... I chose the Glock! |
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My wife bought me one in 9mm. I shoot IDPA with it. It took a while to break in and I still do not trust it to carry. When I carry I carry my G26. It is not a Glock and I would get a G19 if I had it to do over again. Oh, yeah. The slide will rust in short order....so much for the "M" in M7P. Not a service pistol if you ask me. |
| I bought a M&P 9 back in May I had problems with FTE about 2 failures per 50 rounds I sent it back to Smith (there customer service was great) and have not had any problems with it since. I have about 2800 round through it now. I like the grip and trigger better than my glocks. |
 And the slide started locking back @ about 3,000 rounds, without the slide lock being thumbed. I assume spring tensions were changing (failing). We went with the Glock 22. |
| Until the M&P has more time under it's belt, I think the OP made the right choice by going with the Glock 17. Anybody who compares the Glock to the M&P strictly from the view that there were naysayers about the Glock's design when originally introduced needs to remember that the Glock was truly an "original design". I can't really compare the Glock to a S&W M&P since the Glock has evolved from a very solid original design from the start, whereas the M&P is coming from a company that has a rather lackluster history of semi-auto pistol designs. It is true that the Glock has had some design tweeks over the years, but overall it has been an undisputable success since it's release. Perhaps over time the M&P will prove to be a solid design (I hope so, because I really want to like S&W autos), but based on my personal experience with their past designs, I will wait a while before I even consider spending more of my money on one of S&W's autos. Whether anybody wants to admit it or not, the Glock has in essence paved the way for general acceptance of polymer framed pistols to several shooters in the past and I doubt that the M&P is a real threat to Glock's design. |
Well, well, well. Another Ford vs. Chevy thread. This topic seems to be very popular as of late, the M&P vs. the Glock, HK, or whatever. I can only surmise that the Glock and HK owners are compelled to keep telling themselves they have the best polymer handguns made by criticizing the M&P series, but at the same time somehow feel threatened that they may not have the latest and greatest. That is understandable, the M&P is one helluva pistol. The only thing the M&P doesn't have going for it over the others is time in the marketplace. That will come. |
| As I said, I hope the M&P does turn out to be everything that S&W is cracking it up to be. I recall hearing the same things about the Sigma series when it came out. People said it was going to be a Glock killer and how LE agencies were going to flock to S&W in droves because they hated the Glock so much. How did that one turn out? I will say that after handling one at a local gun store, I like the ergonomics of the M&P a lot. I will certainly consider looking at one in .45ACP down the road, but I'm going to wait a bit before I take that plunge. mohica, you seem to get a little defensive about people being skeptical over this new S&W pistol, and I respect that since you obviously think it's the cat's meow, but some people really can't help but be a little apprehensive. Also, I doubt that any of the Glock and HK owners feel threatened at all by the M&P as their chosen sidearms have a proven track record at this time, whereas the M&P does not. You are, however correct that the M&P will be proven good or bad over time. |
I really don't recall anyone ever saying the Sigma was going to be the Glock killer, and it was/is a turd. I do remember though many disparaging comments about Glocks over the years, some unwarranted I agree, but some earned. I also remember the AMF years for Harley Davidson. Look at them now. I for one have had every generation of Glock made in 9mm and carried one for years. .45 Glocks leave much to be desired, and that has been well documented. Remember, the Glock was designed for 9mm, the M&P was designed for .40 S&W from the get go which has a little more "ass" if you will. .
Skepticism is ok based on facts, not conjecture and internet commando jibberish. It is truly amazing how "handling one at a local gunstore" somehow equates to real world experience. Borrow one and put 1K down range, get familiar with it, and then offer up an opinion. This pistol will never replace the pistol of some brand loyalists, that's the way it is. I was a Glock loyalist for years, but no more. There is nothing wrong with owning a Glock or HK. I just think the bias against the M&P without any real evidence and/or personal experience is disingenuous that I liken to nothing more than a couple of school kids arguing about whose dad is the toughest. |
Poor mohica, it seems that every time someone disagrees with you on your current pick of the litter you have to try and resort to personal attacks. I'm not going to go that route, but if you wish to relate my opinions to childish gibberish, perhaps you should consider the fact that you seem to start crying over the fact that some people may not agree with you. By stating my opinion, I am not equating my handling of the M&P to "real world" experience (if anything, I am being honest about what I like from the gun after initial handling). If you actually read what I have said, I stated that I have not had the opportunity to fire the pistol. All I have said is that I am waiting to see how it does over time with other people using them (like you, for instance). I will say that if the weapon is so good as to revert grown adults into having tantrums when someone questions the manufacturers past products, then maybe it really will turn out to be a great gun . So please, keep shooting your M&P and getting bent out of shape when others post their opinions. Also, how do you manage to drag a Harley Davidson into a gun topic?
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No, sorry Mr. Parrish, but I don't see any personal attacks and you appear much too sensitive when someone questions your biased opinion of a weapon you have yet to fire. The difference between what you are saying and what I am saying is plain as day. I don't think HK's or Glocks are bad pistols, but it is readily apparent you have a preconceived notion the M&P is, but based on what? What the internet commandos say? Because S&W has had a lemon or two? You want me to tell you about HK's lemons? Who hasn't had a couple? You give the M&P a consiliatory "It feels good in the hand" statement, but really nothing of substance. Curious, how long did you wait to get a Glock after it's introduction? An HK USP? Did you wait 5 years for the popular opinion on those also? Look, I could give a rat's ass if you ever get an M&P or anything else for that matter. All I am saying is don't be so quick to judge until you have tried it. You aren't questioning "the manufacturer's past products" which are not the topic of the conversation, you are questioning this product, the M&P. Uhhhhh, if you don't get the correlation between your statements about S&W autos and my Harley Davidson analogy, then we should probably just end the discussion here. |
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Glocks work great for me. I really like mine. When the M&P came out, I thought "Oh great, it's Sigma II." But I bought an M&P9, and for me, it's surpassing the Glock. No issues with my M&P.
From the M&P Forum, apparently a few got out that were treated improperly before the finish was applied, resulting in aggressive rusting. S&W has quickly swapped out the affected parts for them. |
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I have a G19 and a M+P 40. I hated my Glocks trigger and sights and spent some $ on a new 3.5 lbs disconnector, trigger return spring and some night sights. Then I had some type 3 failures to eject and did some work on the ejector angle. Now the gun runs great. I hated the M+Ps trigger and sights. I spent some $ on sear block parts and did my own work on the sights and the trigger is great and the sights are much better. I had some FTFs and changed my reloads (OAL) and now the gun runs great. The M+P beats the Glock in ergos and trigger, the Glock beats the M+P in light weight and durability (Tenifer > SW Melenite). Both are guns that I would and do trust with my life. Both are guns that I have no trouble placing high in IDPA matches. (2nd or 3rd usualy) In my opinion SW has created a great pistol in the M+P and Glock will feel the heat as PDs around the country start switching. Neither gun is the Almighty Excaliber Sword forged on Mount Olimpus that the koolaid drinkers would have us believe. Gringop |
mohica, let me try to explain again what I am saying (the key word here is comprehension, not compression ). To answer your question, no I did not rush out to buy either a Glock or HK USP when they were introduced. I was carrying a S&W auto for my first pistol (645). I went on to carry a number of other Smith autos for a number of years and the majority were not that great overall (but I always thought the next one would be better). I eventually bought a Glock 17 and it was a much better pistol than my previous Smith's. I then tried Beretta and Sig autos and found them to be very reliable as well. When S&W released the Sigma, it was automatically compared to the Glock (maybe because it was a cheap copy of the Glock) and was touted as being a viable replacement for the Glock. I waited and eventually bought one. It was a total POS from the start. In all honesty, the only pistols that I have ever had reliability issues with were my S&W autos. The thing that sucked is that I always liked the Smith's for several reasons, but they were not reliable. I don't see where I have come out and bashed the M&P, as I have said that I have not fired one yet. What I have said is that I am a bit apprehensive based on my past experiences with the company's previous products. Your first response in this thread included snide remarks towards Glock and HK owners (if you don't believe me, read it again). Your responses tend to leave me with the impression that you do give a rat's ass about what I think of the M&P as you seem to take my apprehension personally. Have I actually said that the M&P is a POS? No. As I said, I really hope that Smith has a long term winner in the M&P as I would very much like to see an American company make an auto that can be as good or better than the competition. Would you run out and buy a new pistol from a manufacturer if the previous pistols you owned were less than reliable? That's all that I'm saying. Sorry I didn't catch the relevance to your Harley comment, as it had nothing to do with the subject at hand. If you can't comprehend what I'm saying, then I agree, there's nothing left to talk about.
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You didn't rush out and buy one, but many did, particularly the HK. Why? Because they are HK and walk on water. I am of a different mindset. I like to find out for myself all the while listening to others also. I believe one can form a more informed decision in that respect.
No arguemnt there, except for the Beretta. I never liked that sidearm. I had one only because at the time it was easy to suppress out of the box with the barrel extending beyond the frame.
I had a couple and never really experiened much in the way of reliability issues, I just didn't like them. If I was gonna go that route, just give me a 1911.
The undelying current of your comments seemed to be somewhat critical of something you haven't used. Any allegedly "snide" comments towards Glock and HK owners are hard to imagine as I have stated several times I was a Glock guy for 15+ years and don't think HK pistols are bad. But HK really is a bit different. The HK nuts look upon the company as though it is royalty. I dealt with the company for many years, and the ONLY product IMO that excelled was the MP5 series. Anything else (caliber) was made equal or better and undoubtedly cheaper by someone else.
The Harley analogy was meant to expound on your view (that may not hold water) of early S&W autos - sigma - to the M&P. You base your opinion of the M&P primarily on the Sigma. Ok, follow me now. During the AMF years Harlely Davidson made some pretty crummy motorcylcles as were some of S&W's earlier autos. Are you still with me? Now using your "logic", no one would by a HD or should wait because the implication is they are a POS by what they put out during the AMF years. Of course just the opposite is true with HD as it is with S&W who has a winner with the M&P. Got it? I spelled it out for you. |
| mohica, I can finally relate to you a little better now that you don't seem so eager to get defensive. I can see where you are coming from. I really don't have anything against the M&P and I will be trying it as soon as I can find one that I don't have to buy first. |