Posted: 1/28/2007 4:59:45 PM EDT
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I was thinking about beginning a project this spring to create a select-fire/full auto Glock in 9mm, but probably do not know quite as much as I need to know before I start. I've read a number of things about varying ways to do this conversion, the ATF forms required, the legality, etc... The simple solution looks like merely installing a kit by a company called FSSG that has been making full auto kits for Glock since 1987: I am assuming the process would require me to order the conversion kit though a Class III dealer, get the ATF tax stamp, install the kit on a G34 or G17C, and boom - instant ad hoc Glock 18. But, something tells me that this may not be such an easy process as it would appear (ie - Murphy's Law). My questions are as follows: 1. How reliable are the Glock auto conversions? I have seen a few different ones and would like to know which ones are the best and which ones to keep away from. 2. Does anyone have experience with these conversions or know of any reviews on them? 3. Does the ATF view a automatic Glock conversion any differently that if I were to do an SBR, suppressed, or select-fire rifle? Are these conversions even legal with the proper tax stamp? 4. How exactly do these conversions work? In other words, what is going on inside to make a Glock fire automatic with no gunsmithing/permanant alterations? 5. How much do these conversion kits cost? Most of them look like a small plastic box with a switch on the side and a leaf spring sticking out. Just trying to get a feel before I jump off into this project, if its even possible. |
And there's your problem, you cannot get a tax stamp for a newly built machine gun. ATF has not accepted any applications for a new machine gun since 1986 (due to Federal law). You could of course build it illegally, but you risk 10 years in prison and a fine of $100,000 if caught. |
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Since I am an LEO (both civilian and military MP), I would not even consider the illegal option - hence the context of my post. I know that departmentally, the Glock 18 was looked at years ago as a special operations weapon - but it never came to light in lieu of the more popular 9mm and 5.56 SBRs. Some guys use department letterhead to obtain Class III weapons, but in the end, the weapon belongs to the department and not the individual officer. If they get fired/terminated/quit - the Class III weapon goes back to the armory - even if they paid for it with their own money. I thought that there might be a way to legally do this, but I guess I'll do an SBR this summer instead of the impossible (and apparently illegal) auto Glock. |
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Now, I am in no way endorsing such things but there were kits at Knob Creek that replaced the rear slide closure plate that had a switchy on it. I got to look at one up close and now I full understand how they work. Though after shooting a real G-18 I honestly can't really see why anyone would want one other than WOW factor. |
Did you find it? I thought thats where I saw it but now as I look I cant seem to find it. |
I don't see any info either |
heres some but its not specific... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLOCK_18 |
SOT Post-Samples. Demo guns for LE. |
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Simply put there can be no more legally mfg'd machineguns for public consumption. That ended in May 1986. People who a younger and are not students of firearms do not realize that. Sure a LEO can get his agency to buy any CIII item with an individuals own money, but he will never take official possesion of the weapon on paper. It belongs to the LE agency. Many people have FFL SOT for dealing in CIII items. They can get a LE Agency to request a demo of a gun, and this allows the dealer to obtain a post 1986 dealer sample to use for the demo. Pre 86 dealer samples could be taken out with the FFL SOT when he gave up his SOT. But, they only can sold to another Dealer not for public use so to speak. Many people in more restricted states have a SOT for mfg CIII items thus the abundance of kits see for sale. Sure a regular person can build a dummy gun with the parts gun, but others make a receiver and mfg a machine gun of course they can not sell it, but build under a Test and Evaluation deal. People get FFL SOT dealers to effectively dismantle say a HK UMP because it is worth more in parts then as post 86 dealer sample. |
They live in other countries that allow such things or are C III dealers. BTW price out a Beretta 93 very $$$$$$$$
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And "our" Glocks are not made the same way as the full auto capable to prevent your plan from working. IIRC |
Incorrect. The Glock "switch" is designed to install on factory Glocks. Most of the FA Glocks I have seen have the switch, rather than being a factory G18. Cheaper that way, I suppose. |