Posted: 10/12/2009 7:05:31 PM EDT
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This may seem like a silly question but I am interested in how reliable the Glock 17/19 pistol is. I realize that police officers all over the country carry them but I still am interested in knowing how reliable the pistol is.
I've never really been a fan of a Glock but recently I have been warming up to them. Up to this point I have been interested in 1911 and HK pistols. Thanks for the comments. |
| Your future Glock will turn out to be your favorite handguns. I love mine. I have a 22 and a 27. I would be my life on them. A Glock is one of the only guns I would ever buy used. You can't tear the damn things up. They break down so easy and are really easy to clean. Even with the stock barrel I can hit spray cans out to 50 yds with my 22. Plus minus the barrel, frame, and slide you can replace the internals for cheap. Glocks are the way to go. |
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I trust my AR15 with my life......... But I've become very proficient at clearing malfunctions and keeping it clean.
I just got a M14 so it's being put through the paces and soon we will figure out if it can be trusted...... I've NEVER EVER second guessed if any of my Glocks will perform when I really need them. They are my absolute go to guns over my Kimber 1911 and even my revolver. They offer the best traits in any fighting gun.... Power, capacity, light weight, and utterly reliable. |
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After his first malfunction I quit watching the vid(sixth or seventh magazine I think), did he have any more stoppages? IIRC he had 4 stoppages, and the frame melted a little bit. With that being said, I don't think you'll ever have to run 1000 rounds straight through your gun  . The G19 and G17 (as long as you don't run lead reloads through them, or get sand in the trigger mechanism, or change out a lot of parts) will probably make death and taxes look like john kerry. And I say that as someone who is pretty critical of glocks. I have many beefs with the platform, the reliability is not at all one of them!!
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Reliability.
Most authentic test. FBI 1997. 6 Glocks fired 20,000 each. 3 Model 22s and 3 Model 23s, the .40S&W pistols. Ammo = Federal HydroShock 165 grain FBI loading often known as the FedLite .40 (165 grains at about 975fps)(Yes it feels like a warm 9mm so the girls and girlie men don't get scared firing it.) Results. 3 total malfunctions in 120,000 rounds. Upon that sort of reliability, I'd bet my kiester. |
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Check out these limp wristing vids on you tube.
Vid1 Vid2 I've found that certain glocks can be very sensitive when it comes to grip. If your grip sucks and you have one of those glocks, it will stove pipe from time to time with cheap plinking ammo. My buddy had a Dec of 08 G19 that would stove pipe on him about every 100 rounds or so with cheaper ammo mainly blazer brass. I have a Dec of 89 G19 that has been flawless for the last 5 years but it recently stove piped on me 6 times out of 300 with blazer brass ammo after functioning flawlessly for the last 5 years. So I've found cheap ammo and a bad grip will cause a glock to stovepipe. You'll know it cause you'll start getting tagged in the forehead with brass leading up to the stovepipe. |
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Reliability. Most authentic test. FBI 1997. 6 Glocks fired 20,000 each. 3 Model 22s and 3 Model 23s, the .40S&W pistols. Ammo = Federal HydroShock 165 grain FBI loading often known as the FedLite .40 (165 grains at about 975fps)(Yes it feels like a warm 9mm so the girls and girlie men don't get scared firing it.) Results. 3 total malfunctions in 120,000 rounds. Upon that sort of reliability, I'd bet my kiester. I guess The SAS and Navy seals are girlie men because 9mms are their weapon of choice. |
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You miss the point entirely.
The 9mm power level is such that anyone; guys, girls, girliemen, can be easily trained to shoot a handgun with that power level. The FBI in 1997 simply adopted a .40S&W load with the same recoil impulse as a warm 9mm. That way they can train anyone to shoot the .40 Glocks they use. This .40S&W load or a warm 9mm can be used by virtually anyone effectively. I teach 60 year old ladies how to shoot small Glocks instead of airweight Chiefs. You would not want to mess with them. If you ignore the muzzle flip, there is no real recoil. With modern bullets, a 9mm, a .40S&W, a 10mm FedLite with the same slow .40 bullet, or a .45ACP has about the same effect when all placed in the same spot. One doesn't do much more or much less than any other. I could care less what Dickie M. and the boys shoot. They shoot it because they can train up to a high level with what they shoot and what they shoot is adequate for shooting people. Ditto, the FBI. With a training cycle of 1500-2000 rounds of .40S&W per year, they train up to do what they wish to do well enough. Maybe not 200 rounds a day or 200 rounds a week, but certainly enough. The agents are mostly pretty studly guys, the girls more so than most girls, and yes, there are some girlie men about. And, yes, even they can shoot a .40S&W with the lighter loads. Pity the poor cops who qualify once a year with 50 rounds and then let their guns dry out so bad they will not run during the ensuing year. They won't fire at next year's qualification. Wonder when in the 12 months, they stopped working, unbeknownst to said unarmed copper? |
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You miss the point entirely. The 9mm power level is such that anyone; guys, girls, girliemen, can be easily trained to shoot a handgun with that power level. The FBI in 1997 simply adopted a .40S&W load with the same recoil impulse as a warm 9mm. That way they can train anyone to shoot the .40 Glocks they use. This .40S&W load or a warm 9mm can be used by virtually anyone effectively. I teach 60 year old ladies how to shoot small Glocks instead of airweight Chiefs. You would not want to mess with them. If you ignore the muzzle flip, there is no real recoil. With modern bullets, a 9mm, a .40S&W, a 10mm FedLite with the same slow .40 bullet, or a .45ACP has about the same effect when all placed in the same spot. One doesn't do much more or much less than any other. I could care less what Dickie M. and the boys shoot. They shoot it because they can train up to a high level with what they shoot and what they shoot is adequate for shooting people. Ditto, the FBI. With a training cycle of 1500-2000 rounds of .40S&W per year, they train up to do what they wish to do well enough. Maybe not 200 rounds a day or 200 rounds a week, but certainly enough. The agents are mostly pretty studly guys, the girls more so than most girls, and yes, there are some girlie men about. And, yes, even they can shoot a .40S&W with the lighter loads. Pity the poor cops who qualify once a year with 50 rounds and then let their guns dry out so bad they will not run during the ensuing year. They won't fire at next year's qualification. Wonder when in the 12 months, they stopped working, unbeknownst to said unarmed copper? Tis true. If I got free ammo to practice with, I'd bankrupt my city. I am trying to become an LEO, though, so, goodbye, Mesa's budget. |
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Glocks in all calibers and configurations are very reliable. That said, the only pistol I've had break is my duty G22. Right before our qualifications last year I took it down to the range. On the first shot the slide locked back with a full mag. Subsequent shots also locked the slide back. I had to manually release the slide after every shot. Upon closer examination the slide stop spring had broke. With no spring pressure, the slide remained locked after it cycled. The gun still fired, but there was an extra step now involved.
Prior to this, I had last shot it about 2 months before. I don't know if it had broken then and I had missed it, or if it broke on the first shot I had fired. My hunch is that it broke on the first shot right before quals. Luckily it broke when it did, and not during an actual shooting. Like I said, the gun still fired, but the "normal" intervention during a problem wouldn't have solved it. That said, I still like Glocks, and even bought a NIB G19 for off duty carry. |
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MillerSHO,
It may not be the grip and may not be the ammo. I had a thread here a month or so ago about a 10 year old M17 starting to do wierd things like stovepiping. I kept making all sorts of excuses as to why it wasn't the gun. Ammo, grip, lube and on and on. Too dirty, too clean, too oiled, whatever. Replacing the ejector and its plastic part, replacing the entire group of little parts in the extractor system including the extractor, and getting a new operating spring assembly made it perfect again. Blazer Brass is normal quality american ammo. It isn't that. My reloads with chewed up rims and range pickup brass work just fine again now that the above was replaced. Guns are only interesting if they are sort of accurate and absolutely reliable. Mine is again. LSA. |
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To the 9mm girly remark: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQzkjXBYrqs Two through the heart, one through the head, and they won't know the difference. True without a doubt.... ..though i guarantee most of the people here won't be able to do that under stress. |
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To the 9mm girly remark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQzkjXBYrqs Two through the heart, one through the head, and they won't know the difference. True without a doubt.... ..though i guarantee most of the people here won't be able to do that under stress. Then put the whole magazine through their heart, and another mag through their head. If you have a weapon, you should be training as much as possible. With a 9mm you should be putting at least 1000 rounds a month downrange. My goal is 1000 a week. And not slow-fire target practice crap. Sure, that's important for trigger control and overall control of the weapon, but once you have that down, double taps, failure drills, speed reloads, ect., should be what you practice most. |
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To the 9mm girly remark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQzkjXBYrqs Two through the heart, one through the head, and they won't know the difference. True without a doubt.... ..though i guarantee most of the people here won't be able to do that under stress. Then put the whole magazine through their heart, and another mag through their head. If you have a weapon, you should be training as much as possible. With a 9mm you should be putting at least 1000 rounds a month downrange. My goal is 1000 a week. And not slow-fire target practice crap. Sure, that's important for trigger control and overall control of the weapon, but once you have that down, double taps, failure drills, speed reloads, ect., should be what you practice most. Well, the "not practicing" line def doesn't apply to you man , If you run a carbine anything like that glock, I'll be shooting you a PM if the SHTF 
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To the 9mm girly remark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQzkjXBYrqs Two through the heart, one through the head, and they won't know the difference. True without a doubt.... ..though i guarantee most of the people here won't be able to do that under stress. Then put the whole magazine through their heart, and another mag through their head. If you have a weapon, you should be training as much as possible. With a 9mm you should be putting at least 1000 rounds a month downrange. My goal is 1000 a week. And not slow-fire target practice crap. Sure, that's important for trigger control and overall control of the weapon, but once you have that down, double taps, failure drills, speed reloads, ect., should be what you practice most. Well, the "not practicing" line def doesn't apply to you man , If you run a carbine anything like that glock, I'll be shooting you a PM if the SHTF
Just cuz I shoot a lot, doesn't mean I'm good at it. Yet. That's why I have a 9. But I might be moving to a .40, if my local PDs ever start hiring again. And then I'll bankrupt the city by using all their ammo. 
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| 11,000 rounds of GI ball thru my 17 in 18 months. Gets cleaned every 500 rounds or so. Did a detail strip and clean about 1000 rounds ago, after geting all the shit out of the trigger it feels a little better. You could not get away with this with a M9 or any 1911 that I am aware of. |