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Posted: 1/8/2002 12:57:27 PM EDT
Do you guys think that the registration is good enough where they could track down every gun owner? if so why would they need people to register there assualt weapons if they already know who the owners are.
Link Posted: 1/8/2002 1:00:55 PM EDT
Huh? 1. If they wanted to register firearms, and sheeple complied, YES, they could come and get them. 2. If people don't register their weapons, they couldn't come and get them.
Link Posted: 1/8/2002 1:06:11 PM EDT
Though it is not technically registration of firearms, in MA we are required by law to register the transfer of any firearm in the commiewealth, if it is to be kept in state. Other than that there isn’t a registration of firearms only people (LTC’s) and transfers. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 1/8/2002 1:13:11 PM EDT
I live in CAlifornia so things are different if you buy a gun it is registered and if you own a assualt weapon you have to register it again.
Link Posted: 1/8/2002 2:11:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2002 2:20:18 PM EDT by California_Kid]
Prior to the "AW" registration in Californistan only records for handguns were kinda sorta complete and accurate. The Caliban Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) has never gathered make, model, and serial number data for any rifles or shotguns. That information is only on the dealer's business records and the BATF Form 4473, which the state government does not own. The "AW" registration enabled them to start gathering that kind of data by singling out owners of Deadly Baby-Killing Weapons, with the added bonuses of harassing us and collecting more money from us. If you own a handgun that you bought legally, there's a very good chance the state has tabs on it and that their records are pretty accurate. For ordinary rifles and shotguns, they probably don't. Keep in mind that undocumented private-party transfers of long guns within CA was legal until some time in '97 IIRC. Any records of those that precede that change in the law are incomplete - They MIGHT know about the original purchase. Here's another twist to think about - I know a guy who had to send his S&W Airlite revolver to S&W out of state for repairs. The trigger pin was sheared off, and the fix was to replace the frame with one with a different serial number. He now owns an "unregistered" pistol legally. But that could spell a hassle for him if he ever gets questioned by the LEOs.
Link Posted: 1/8/2002 2:39:03 PM EDT
So if the police found a hangun could they trace it back to the owner and another question is there any information that LEO have access to that can list the makes, models and seriel numbers of guns??
Link Posted: 1/8/2002 2:43:18 PM EDT
Yes, the police can get at least your handgun and AW records on-line, any time.
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 1:13:10 AM EDT
This is what confused me about the Baretta Guy Shooting his wife. He supposedly used a PPK. If a handgun was really used, then if it was the Husband's couldn't the cops have simply traced it back to him and put him away.
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 1:25:22 AM EDT
Do California residents have to register hand guns?
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 1:27:20 AM EDT
OH, and Registration is a key to Confiscation. They aren't going to up and ban your guns on the spur of the moment. Too many Feds would die trying to confiscate the guns. 1) They regulate the sales of guns. For example, closing the "gun show loophole" so that all sales are through Dealers. 2) They pass a law requiring dealers to notify the locals/state of any sales. 3) They pass a law banning some cockamamy made up type of gun that is the favorite of Drug Dealers. I.E. "Hi-Powered .50 Caliber Sniper Assault Rifle" 4) They use their records to find anybody who doesn't comply with the ban. Those people are arrested and the rest of the gun community says it is their own fault for not complying like good little sheeple. 5) They pass a lawrequiring owners to be liscensed or obtain permits. 6) They arrest anybody who does not or cannot obtain a lisence. Again, the gun community blames the gun owner. 7) They pass a law requiring the registration of firearms. 8) Again, non-compliers are arrested. And again, the gun community blames the gun owner. 9) Requirements are tightened and discretion broadened to make it harder to get a lisence or permit. 10) They make it impossible to take your gun outside your home, except under limited circumstances. 11) Those violating will be arrested and the gun community will blame the gun owner. 12) More and more classes of "Favorite Guns Of Drug Dealers" will be banned. 13) More people will be arrrested and the gun community will continue to blame the gun owners. 14) The few owners still left will be ordered to surrender their guns. 15) Their crappy guns will be no match for Automatic Weapons, etc...being utilized by the police when their homes get raided. 16) Many gun owners will die, the rest will end up in prison. 17) The gun community will wonder how it came to this meanwhile forgetting they condoned it by condeming those who fought back.
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 1:32:36 AM EDT
OH, lets not miss the fact that: New Jersey is at Step 13. Next step being total confiscation. California is at step 13, but has not totally completed a few previous steps. For example, total registration of all guns, etc...They will get there soon and after that comes total confiscation.
Link Posted: 1/9/2002 7:47:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By alexanderredhook: Do California residents have to register hand guns?
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Short answer = Yes. The Caliban Ministry of Justice has been collecting name, address, and Social Security number of the buyer, and make, model, and serial number for every handgun legally transferred within the state since 1968. The politicians are still calling for "handgun registration" because the system we have is not officially that. But of course what they really seek is registration of gun OWNERS.
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