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3/21/2014 7:09:13 PM EDT
so I've been loading the same 40 .308 brass over and over for the last year
I picked up some lake city brass today at a gunshow

my question is, would it be safe to load my current 41.6 grains of IMR 4895 (under a 168 grain BTHP) in the lake city brass, or should I download it a bit to work back up?
3/21/2014 7:13:17 PM EDT
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Always download 10% and work back up. Take nothing for granted
3/21/2014 7:16:21 PM EDT
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Reduce 1 grain in that brass if this is for a M1A or Garand.

3/21/2014 7:17:28 PM EDT
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No.  What brass have you been loading up?  Weigh a few cases as there is quite a large weight difference between different cases/manufacturers.  The heavier the case, less volume inside.
3/21/2014 7:18:37 PM EDT
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No.  What brass have you been loading up?  Weigh a few cases as there is quite a large weight difference between different cases/manufacturers.  The heavier the case, less volume inside.
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I've been loading federal brass
3/21/2014 7:18:42 PM EDT
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Drop 5%. The old brass might be stretching in the case head web area or growing too long making it more dangerous. Loose primer pockets, cracks....
3/21/2014 7:18:49 PM EDT
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41 grains is a starting load. I wouldn't worry about it. If you were anywhere near 45 I'd reduce and work up but you are low.
3/21/2014 7:19:10 PM EDT
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Reduce 1 grain in that brass if this is for a M1A or Garand.

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3/21/2014 7:19:57 PM EDT
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3/21/2014 7:22:30 PM EDT
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Not when you are barely above starting loads. Some powders like the 4895s do ok whith reduced loads but others don't.
3/21/2014 7:22:41 PM EDT
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41 grains is barely over a starting load. I wouldn't worry about it.
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my loads are significantly shorter than the manuals COAL due to the tight specs of my rifle but I'm personally going not going to be working any higher than 43 grains due to the deeper bullet
EDIT: loading to around 2.730"
3/21/2014 7:26:04 PM EDT
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my loads are significantly shorter than the manuals COAL due to the tight specs of my rifle but I'm personally going not going to be working any higher than 43 grains due to the deeper bullet
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41 grains is barely over a starting load. I wouldn't worry about it.

my loads are significantly shorter than the manuals COAL due to the tight specs of my rifle but I'm personally going not going to be working any higher than 43 grains due to the deeper bullet


How much shorter?
3/21/2014 7:26:52 PM EDT
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41 grains is a starting load. I wouldn't worry about it. If you were anywhere near 45 I'd reduce and work up but you are low.
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41 grains is a starting load. I wouldn't worry about it. If you were anywhere near 45 I'd reduce and work up but you are low.


Found this at IMR.  Are you using a bolt gun with the Federal or semi?




















168 GR. SIE HPBTIMR 4895.308"2.800"41.0244739,700 PSI45.4C275858,000 PSI

 
3/21/2014 7:27:28 PM EDT
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41 grains is barely over a starting load. I wouldn't worry about it.

my loads are significantly shorter than the manuals COAL due to the tight specs of my rifle but I'm personally going not going to be working any higher than 43 grains due to the deeper bullet


How much shorter?

I edited my post to add it.
I used a hornady case length gauge and found the manuals COAL would be touching the rifling
3/21/2014 7:28:34 PM EDT
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Found this at IMR.  Are you using a bolt gun with the Federal or semi?




 
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41 grains is a starting load. I wouldn't worry about it. If you were anywhere near 45 I'd reduce and work up but you are low.

Found this at IMR.  Are you using a bolt gun with the Federal or semi?

168 GR. SIE HPBTIMR 4895.308"2.800"41.0244739,700 PSI45.4C275858,000 PSI



 

savage bolt gun
3/21/2014 7:29:20 PM EDT
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my loads are significantly shorter than the manuals COAL due to the tight specs of my rifle but I'm personally going not going to be working any higher than 43 grains due to the deeper bullet
EDIT: loading to around 2.730"
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41 grains is barely over a starting load. I wouldn't worry about it.

my loads are significantly shorter than the manuals COAL due to the tight specs of my rifle but I'm personally going not going to be working any higher than 43 grains due to the deeper bullet
EDIT: loading to around 2.730"


That won't increase chamber pressure.

For the bolt gun, I probably wouldn't change the charge weight with those components.  But expect the velocity to be higher and a different zero.



3/21/2014 7:31:24 PM EDT
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I used a hornady case length gauge and found the manuals COAL would be touching the rifling
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41 grains is barely over a starting load. I wouldn't worry about it.

my loads are significantly shorter than the manuals COAL due to the tight specs of my rifle but I'm personally going not going to be working any higher than 43 grains due to the deeper bullet


How much shorter?

I edited my post to add it.
I used a hornady case length gauge and found the manuals COAL would be touching the rifling


Measuring to the bullet ogive, right?

I'd be massively surprised if that bullet touches the rifling in your rifle at 2.80 inches COAL.

3/21/2014 7:31:27 PM EDT
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41 grains is barely over a starting load. I wouldn't worry about it.

my loads are significantly shorter than the manuals COAL due to the tight specs of my rifle but I'm personally going not going to be working any higher than 43 grains due to the deeper bullet


How much shorter?

I edited my post to add it.
I used a hornady case length gauge and found the manuals COAL would be touching the rifling


Are you compressing the powder at all?
3/21/2014 7:35:21 PM EDT
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Measuring to the bullet ogive, right?

I'd be massively surprised if that bullet touches the rifling in your rifle at 2.80 inches COAL.

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41 grains is barely over a starting load. I wouldn't worry about it.

my loads are significantly shorter than the manuals COAL due to the tight specs of my rifle but I'm personally going not going to be working any higher than 43 grains due to the deeper bullet


How much shorter?

I edited my post to add it.
I used a hornady case length gauge and found the manuals COAL would be touching the rifling


Measuring to the bullet ogive, right?

I'd be massively surprised if that bullet touches the rifling in your rifle at 2.80 inches COAL.


I use the measurement from the ogive in all my notes, but if I talk about COAL on a forum I talk about the measurement from tip to case head because everyone is referencing off of data that uses this measurement.  I have yet to see a manual that lists the measurement off the ogive.
3/21/2014 7:38:01 PM EDT
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Are you compressing the powder at all?
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41 grains is barely over a starting load. I wouldn't worry about it.

my loads are significantly shorter than the manuals COAL due to the tight specs of my rifle but I'm personally going not going to be working any higher than 43 grains due to the deeper bullet


How much shorter?

I edited my post to add it.
I used a hornady case length gauge and found the manuals COAL would be touching the rifling


Are you compressing the powder at all?

I don't believe I am, but considering the brass isn't exactly clear it's hard to tell unless I would feel it compress.  (I've got no experience with compressed loads) but I will say I don't feel anything different
3/21/2014 7:42:20 PM EDT
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I'd reduce and work back up.  If for no other reason than to ensure an accurate load.  Loading a bunch of inaccurate .308 rounds kinda sucks.



3/21/2014 8:04:52 PM EDT
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I don't believe I am, but considering the brass isn't exactly clear it's hard to tell unless I would feel it compress.  (I've got no experience with compressed loads) but I will say I don't feel anything different
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You would generally know. The powder would come up into the case neck.