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Posted: 5/14/2009 1:32:28 AM EDT
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First off, I don't smoke. But to answer your question, in short, yes. The reason behind the Cali legalization has always had some tax revenue attached to it. It's not about liberty, it's about money. Yup, and although I've never given the tax on marijuana much thought, I'm convinced that Barak the Enchanter will introduce an internet tax. The amount of tax revenue lost from online purchases has to be astronomical, and I'm convinced he'll go for that one in a year or two. There's a heckuva lot more people making purchases online than there are smoking dope. When the liberty we all enjoy online is robbed from us, even liberals will have to pay attention. |
| While I really don't believe pot should be legalized for a myriad of reasons I'm all for it being legalized in California. Kali is a lost cause anyways. If pot is legalized I think a lot of potheads (liberals) will move there, possibly swinging some swing states back to the Conservative side. |
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While I really don't believe pot should be legalized for a myriad of reasons I'm all for it being legalized in California. Kali is a lost cause anyways. If pot is legalized I think a lot of potheads (liberals) will move there, possibly swinging some swing states back to the Conservative side. That's an interesting theory. But I don't think pot heads are smart enough to vote conservatively even though they want liberties. Remember, it's cool to vote for a democrat. |
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While I really don't believe pot should be legalized for a myriad of reasons I'm all for it being legalized in California. Kali is a lost cause anyways. If pot is legalized I think a lot of potheads (liberals) will move there, possibly swinging some swing states back to the Conservative side. That's an interesting theory. But I don't think pot heads are smart enough to vote conservatively even though they want liberties. Remember, it's cool to vote for a democrat. I think the idea is to use California as a pothead trap. |
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While I really don't believe pot should be legalized for a myriad of reasons I'm all for it being legalized in California. Kali is a lost cause anyways. If pot is legalized I think a lot of potheads (liberals) will move there, possibly swinging some swing states back to the Conservative side. That ^ is the reason I want CA to legalize it. Give the stupid potheads a place to go. And show the rest of the country what a disaster legalization will be ( in our current form of country). |
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First off, I don't smoke. But to answer your question, in short, yes. The reason behind the Cali legalization has always had some tax revenue attached to it. It's not about liberty, it's about money. Yup, and although I've never given the tax on marijuana much thought, I'm convinced that Barak the Enchanter will introduce an internet tax. The amount of tax revenue lost from online purchases has to be astronomical, and I'm convinced he'll go for that one in a year or two. There's a heckuva lot more people making purchases online than there are smoking dope. When the liberty we all enjoy online is robbed from us, even liberals will have to pay attention. An internet sales tax could be circumvented by buying from Canadian companies. Shipping would still be reasonable. |
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While I really don't believe pot should be legalized for a myriad of reasons I'm all for it being legalized in California. Kali is a lost cause anyways. If pot is legalized I think a lot of potheads (liberals) will move there, possibly swinging some swing states back to the Conservative side. That ^ is the reason I want CA to legalize it. Give the stupid potheads a place to go. And show the rest of the country what a disaster legalization will be ( in our current form of country). It wouldn't work... Liberals don't need pot to be stupid. 
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Libertarians will be generally agreeable to taxing of marijuana (assuming it is actually a simple revenue measue like the gas or tobacco tax and not some rediculous non sense like the NFA) because excise taxes on consumer products are constitutional, unlike the current tax system. To put it another way, it is a brick in the road to the future when the IRS is some abstract concept of a federal agency your grand children will learn about in college, but only if they take US History II.
Unfortunately, Cali liberals look at it in a completely different light. They see it as just another supplement to feed the perpetual growth of thier monster. Feed the monster they must, because from what I hear thier monster has been outgrowing it's dinner tray. |
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While I really don't believe pot should be legalized for a myriad of reasons I'm all for it being legalized in California. Kali is a lost cause anyways. If pot is legalized I think a lot of potheads (liberals) will move there, possibly swinging some swing states back to the Conservative side. That's an interesting theory. But I don't think pot heads are smart enough to vote conservatively even though they want liberties. Remember, it's cool to vote for a democrat. you two would be very surprised of the political affiliation and overall political stance of many of these "pot heads." Most of the ones I know are very productive, hard working members of society who stick to conservative values. Their largest talking points usually being "personal liberties" and "small government." The biggest argument is: "Who is the government to tell me what I can and can't do on my own property in my own time? They work for me, not the other way around, and I can put whatever i want in my body. It's mine." The jobs of the smokers i know are: car buyer for large dealership, high end contracts lawyer, 2 financial consultants, 1 real estate guy, etc. |
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Cannabis is a weed –– if legalized I doubt it will generate much sin tax revenue, though garden centers may see a spike of new herb gardeners. I concur. The reason it is profitable now is because it is illegal. Legalize growing it for personal use and the profit disappears. Of course, not many people grow their own tobacco or brew their own beer, so there may be some money left in it. |
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I keep telling you folks that MJ legalization is NOT the first step toward freedom. It will lead to MORE and LARGER .gov not less. There is a REASON the libs want it legal. If you think it is because of freedom you are stupid as fuck. ... it isn't just LIBS that think it should be decriminalized... Didn't we have this discussion last week? 
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I keep telling you folks that MJ legalization is NOT the first step toward freedom. It will lead to MORE and LARGER .gov not less. There is a REASON the libs want it legal. If you think it is because of freedom you are stupid as fuck. ... it isn't just LIBS that think it should be decriminalized... Didn't we have this discussion last week?
The antis just love a good horse kickin party 
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I keep telling you folks that MJ legalization is NOT the first step toward freedom. It will lead to MORE and LARGER .gov not less. There is a REASON the libs want it legal. If you think it is because of freedom you are stupid as fuck. ... it isn't just LIBS that think it should be decriminalized... Didn't we have this discussion last week?
Not the point. WHY???? do the libs want it legalized. Answer that question and you will understand why it is a bad thing to do so. Hint: It isn't because they like freedom, it is because of something else they like. |
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Quoted: Going to have to be a pretty high tax to make up for all the externalities associated with abuse of the drug. We're already paying those costs and then some. De-criminalization and taxing sales would save us buckets of money. Private industry would simply have to keep an eye on their drug-free workplace policies. That would be the biggest stumbling block. |
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Going to have to be a pretty high tax to make up for all the externalities associated with abuse of the drug. We're already paying those costs and then some. De-criminalization and taxing sales would save us buckets of money. Private industry would simply have to keep an eye on their drug-free workplace policies. That would be the biggest stumbling block. You need to look at it from a lib point of view. Think "new programs" and how legalized drugs can be linked to the health care debate. The costs will make the WOD look like child's play. |
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Quoted: There was a story on the news the other day about medical marijuana in California. I might not be remembering correctly, but I thought they said it generates $100 million a year in tax revenues. Not to mention the thousands upon thousands of people incarcerated for pot related crimes. I absolutely hate dope and usually hate even people that smoke it, but with the state of prisons in the country I often do wonder what the taxpayers would save not having to pay $30,000 a year per inmate with about %5 of inmates across the US being in jail for just pot related crimes. I haven't researched the statistics enough to know what the savings would be (kind of don't care enough to do so) but I would gather that tax revenue from sales, reduction in operating expenses in jails and law enforcement have more time to do other things would be a plus. It would be interesting if someone here looked up what the return on investment would be for a massive unbanning of the wacky tabacky. Would be a nice money saver in terms of taxes, but honestly having to smell that shit everywhere (Makes me gag) is almost not worth it alone. |
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"Legalization" won't matter when they tax even home grown. If the home grower doesn't get the proper license and pay the taxes they'll simply be criminals instead for tax evasion. Alcohol is still part of ATF, and marijuana will join it. Yep "Legalization" for taxes will in fact legalize not much just shift the criminal offenses to tax based and in fact give the Government more intrusive powers where pot is concerned. Pot growers and users are not going to start paying taxes just because the Government wants them to. |
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I keep telling you folks that MJ legalization is NOT the first step toward freedom. It will lead to MORE and LARGER .gov not less. There is a REASON the libs want it legal. If you think it is because of freedom you are stupid as fuck. ... it isn't just LIBS that think it should be decriminalized... Didn't we have this discussion last week?
Not the point. WHY???? do the libs want it legalized. Answer that question and you will understand why it is a bad thing to do so. Hint: It isn't because they like freedom, it is because of something else they like. Here's a better question: " Why?????? is it illegal in the first place? Hhhhmmmm?" (I'm mainly talking about weed, or hemp actually) |
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Marijuana types (never smoked it myself) seem to know more about avoiding taxes and the over-reaching arm of bloated government bullshit better than just about anyone. Are Obama and Arnold afraid these present day "lawless" may possess the knowledge to fuck their tax and spend dreams right up the arse? Not a question about learning/advocating ways to avoid taxes, simply a question of MOTIVE of Obama and Arnie. I don't trust those fucks for some reason. Hell, that stuff is so easy to grow that if CA tries to tax it at $50/oz (something I heard floated in a radio story) they will just do it themselves! 
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Quoted: Sherrick, didn't know you had those anti-libertarian views.Quoted: While I really don't believe pot should be legalized for a myriad of reasons I'm all for it being legalized in California. Kali is a lost cause anyways. If pot is legalized I think a lot of potheads (liberals) will move there, possibly swinging some swing states back to the Conservative side. That ^ is the reason I want CA to legalize it. Give the stupid potheads a place to go. And show the rest of the country what a disaster legalization will be ( in our current form of country). So tell me, why do you think it's going to be a disaster for the country?
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Quoted: Going to have to be a pretty high tax to make up for all the externalities associated with abuse of the drug. The tax on liquor approaches 45% I believe. I'd be surprised to see any funding going directly to mitigate the phenomenally harmful effects of alcoholism on society. Just think of how many drunk-ass POS people kill Americans every year just from DWI alone? Hell, some of those POSes are even American citizens.
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Remember, not all libs are pot smokers, and not all conservatives are pot free.
More people than you think smoke it, its just most are not into the whole subculture and are very private about it. Not a smoker myself, but this is America, you have the right to make choices, and the right to fail or succeed from those choices. Fuck it, legalize it, maybe we will stop hearing LEOs, Firfighters and school teachers cry about budget cuts (with all due respect to these folks) and that we should vote to raise taxes. We hear it in California every year. And there is more to be profited from it than just from people smoking it. Makes great paper and clothing. Its no different than gun laws that create black markets, prohibition which created a black market. I am no fan of big gov, but if they want to take business away from gangbangers, I am 100% for it. |
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Obama was asked that question a few months ago and he answered that he had no intentions of doing so. Of course, he could change his mind like everything else. I didn't like the way that question was phrased. It gave him an easy out. Instead of asking him if he thought legalizing MJ was a good idea, Obama was asked if he thought MJ would provide a good revenue source if legalized and taxed. There is a big difference in the nature of the question. |
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I keep telling you folks that MJ legalization is NOT the first step toward freedom. It will lead to MORE and LARGER .gov not less. There is a REASON the libs want it legal. If you think it is because of freedom you are stupid as fuck. 
The fact that you are a police officer is terrifying. Good thing you're in a backwater state like Oklahoma where it doesn't affect me. |
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Marijuana growth and use are NOT rights reserved for Congress, so...
It is a states RIGHT to do as it sees fit. Like abortion, gay marriage and gun control, Marijuana is a STATE right. Get rid of the HORRIFIC ruling of Wickard v. Filburn, and America will be the great country it was MEANT to be...and it won't really matter who's party is in control. 
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| Sure, they will try to tax it. The only problem is that the black market for it is already well established. The raids on dealers and users won't stop with the legalization of drugs; the reasons will simply change. Drug possesion raids will just become Tax Evasion raids. |
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The current laws seem designed specifically to create a black market, force people to buy from dealers and expose themselves to all the risks that entails.
It's idiotic. If they'd just legalize for personal use there wouldn't be much of a market for pot, the stoners could grow a couple plants without worrying about getting their house seized and thrown in prison and we'd save a lot of money. I don't think there's much of an opportunity for tax revenue in MJ, it's market value is based almost entirely on the risk associated with it due to prohibition. It really isn't any more valuable than any other plant otherwise, it's kinda like hoping we'll solve the budget problem with a broccoli tax. |
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The drup proponents are simply trying to A) reduce the prison population to those that are doing societal harm (other than to themselves and their immediate families) and thus, save billions and billions of dollars per year ($60B-$100B). and B) actualy give back some of the freedoms .gov has removed over the years.
it IS the right thing to do, for all sorts of wrong reasons. |
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I keep telling you folks that MJ legalization is NOT the first step toward freedom. It will lead to MORE and LARGER .gov not less. There is a REASON the libs want it legal. If you think it is because of freedom you are stupid as fuck.
The fact that you are a police officer is terrifying. Good thing you're in a backwater state like Oklahoma where it doesn't affect me. Good, I'm glad I terrify you. Liberals should be terrified. I'm as as close as you are going to get to a cop that follows AND teaches the Constitution perfectly. BTW, my position is States' rights. Each state makes up its own decision. But I DO want it legal in a couple of states so the assholes will go there and stay out of OK and TX. |