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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:23:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: No, no there is not. They're the "laws" of thermodynamics, not the "suggestions." Quoted: There is no such thing as free energy. True, which is why the concept requires a battery pack or small electrical motor that powers the generator rotations. However, a magnetic generator can produce more power than it consumes - which is power that can be used. So yes, in theory there is such thing as "free energy" and a magnetic generator is certainly a step in that direction. |
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There is no such thing as free energy. True, which is why the concept requires a battery pack or small electrical motor that powers the generator rotations. However, a magnetic generator can produce more power than it consumes - which is power that can be used. So yes, in theory there is such thing as "free energy" and a magnetic generator is certainly a step in that direction. So explain how it creates energy. This should be good.z |
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There is no such thing as free energy. thats not quite true it is just that getting enough to do anything is the problem. I can remember as a kid a man who lived down the road was into ham radios was always working on some type of project. He had this set up where he ran a long wire through the air one end hung from an insulater down to a ground rod the other end went to the ground strap of a spark plug from there a spark plug wire ran to a car ignition coil. Then he had two wires that went from the postive and negitive termnial of the coil down to a battery. When the voltage built up enough to jump the spark gap it sent a charge down to the battery and that was the way he kept the battery charged for his homemade radio. He told me when he was a kid his family could not afford battery's and this was how he got the power needed to listed to the radio. |
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There is no such thing as free energy. True, which is why the concept requires a battery pack or small electrical motor that powers the generator rotations. However, a magnetic generator can produce more power than it consumes - which is power that can be used. So yes, in theory there is such thing as "free energy" and a magnetic generator is certainly a step in that direction. First you agree with me by saying true, then contradict yourself by saying what is highlighted in red. Producing more energy than it consumes is "free energy" by definition....Also, impossible. Anyone that believes otherwise needs to study the laws of thermodynamics. In before the conspiracy theorist who believe the government in keeping this technology from us. 
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There is no such thing as free energy. thats not quite true it is just that getting enough to do anything is the problem. I can remember as a kid a man who lived down the road was into ham radios was always working on some type of project. He had this set up where he ran a long wire through the air one end hung from an insulater down to a ground rod the other end went to the ground strap of a spark plug from there a spark plug wire ran to a car ignition coil. Then he had two wires that went from the postive and negitive termnial of the coil down to a battery. When the voltage built up enough to jump the spark gap it sent a charge down to the battery and that was the way he kept the battery charged for his homemade radio. He told me when he was a kid his family could not afford battery's and this was how he got the power needed to listed to the radio. I'm not sure how this charged the battery, but I'll play along. If electricity was being pulled out of the air and used to charge the battery, then yes, that is free energy. It's also free energy if I run an extension cord to my neighbor's house to power my PC. This is simply an example of the law of conservation of energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy By free energy, I meant creating energy from nothing. |
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All kinds of kooks promise free energy from some where. But, none deliver.
"Some guy said" is not proof. Taking energy from radio waves, is not generating energy, it is harnessing energy. Now, if that battery that was charged from the same radio waves, and was also used as the power source to transmit, then somebody was talking out of their ass, and you fell for it. |
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There is no such thing as free energy. True, which is why the concept requires a battery pack or small electrical motor that powers the generator rotations. However, a magnetic generator can produce more power than it consumes - which is power that can be used. So yes, in theory there is such thing as "free energy" and a magnetic generator is certainly a step in that direction. Bullshit. |
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There is no such thing as free energy. True, which is why the concept requires a battery pack or small electrical motor that powers the generator rotations. However, a magnetic generator can produce more power than it consumes - which is power that can be used. So yes, in theory there is such thing as "free energy" and a magnetic generator is certainly a step in that direction. No, there is no where for it to get more energy than it consumes. Energy is neither is created, nor destroyed. Conservation of Energy, a Law of Physics You can convert potential energy into kinetic energy via combustion or the like. You can convert potential atomic energy into kinetic energy via fission. You cannot just create energy from nowhere though. THe science is flawed. I'm sure someone who can explain it more clearly will be along shortly to point out where the flaw lies. |
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If you can obliterate friction then you have a chance at perpetual motion, until then there is no way to achieve it as friction will cause a decay of motion no matter how small it is. even if you were able to eliminate friction, any attempt to harvest energy from the perpetual motion would fill the role of the friction and rob the energy used for the perpetual motion. |
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In college there was a guy who came to my mechanical engineering department trying to get us to fund his research into a magnetic spinning rotor that would generate "unlimited free clean energy for everyone." He had all kinds of wild claims about how he had, "derived an extension of Maxwell's 4 laws" which would allow it to work, and he always wore a white lab coat. I was less interested in his impossible machine, and more interested in the dilemma of whether he was a kook or a fraud. Needless to say, the chair of my department decided not to fund his research. |
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There is no such thing as free energy. True, which is why the concept requires a battery pack or small electrical motor that powers the generator rotations. However, a magnetic generator can produce more power than it consumes - which is power that can be used. So yes, in theory there is such thing as "free energy" and a magnetic generator is certainly a step in that direction. All generators use magnets. That article is bull shit. |
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If you saw it on youtube, it must be true. I won't need that, I have an unlimited supply of batteries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_8n2Qgguto |
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My first thought upon reading this thread. 
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There is no such thing as free energy. True, which is why the concept requires a battery pack or small electrical motor that powers the generator rotations. However, a magnetic generator can produce more power than it consumes - which is power that can be used. So yes, in theory there is such thing as "free energy" and a magnetic generator is certainly a step in that direction. A generator can never produce more power than it consumes. Never. Anybody who took 10 minutes of physics in high school knows this. And the link that the OP provided is just a ordinary generator using a permanent magnet. There's absolutely nothing novel about it. |
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You're either a troll or a complete idiot. Either way this crap belongs in GD, not this forum. |
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Actually, you don't even need magnets - same guy who made the magnetic fan vid, shows you here that all you need is a piezo lighter
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There is no such thing as free energy. True, which is why the concept requires a battery pack or small electrical motor that powers the generator rotations. However, a magnetic generator can produce more power than it consumes - which is power that can be used. So yes, in theory there is such thing as "free energy" and a magnetic generator is certainly a step in that direction. All generators use magnets. That article is bull shit. All generators in the conventional rotary motion to electricity sense use magnets, but not all "electricity generating devices" do, i.e. PV solar cells, fuel cells, thermopile, etc. We'll leave batteries off that list since they are storage devices, not generating devices. |
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There is no such thing as free energy. True, which is why the concept requires a battery pack or small electrical motor that powers the generator rotations. However, a magnetic generator can produce more power than it consumes - which is power that can be used. So yes, in theory there is such thing as "free energy" and a magnetic generator is certainly a step in that direction. First you agree with me by saying true, then contradict yourself by saying what is highlighted in red. Producing more energy than it consumes is "free energy" by definition....Also, impossible. Anyone that believes otherwise needs to study the laws of thermodynamics. In before the conspiracy theorist who believe the government in keeping this technology from us. I agreed with you within the context of a purely magnetic system - which does result in a net loss due to friction. With the aid of a small motor that requires less power than the generator creates then energy loss from friction can be overcome and the laws of thermodynamics are preserved. I had a physics professor in undergrad who built one similar to the concept in the video below and it worked very well. Video Simply not possible. That's the beauty of physics. If you tell me you have a box that puts out more energy than goes into it, I can tell you with certainty that you're wrong without even knowing what's in the box. |
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So if you had two magnetic generators; one powering a small motor to overcome the friction loss of the second and the other generating your needed power would that work? Also, if the magnets are the ones doing the needed work, then how does this go against thermodynamics? The creation of energy requires work, and if you have the magnets supplying that work then how is the law of conservation violated? |
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You're either a troll or a complete idiot. Either way this crap belongs in GD, not this forum. how is this trolling? it works and is relevant. |
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You're either a troll or a complete idiot. Either way this crap belongs in GD, not this forum. how is this trolling? it works and is relevant. Anything works when edited for youtube, including elephants flying... |
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Hypothetical scenario: So if you had two magnetic generators; one powering a small motor to overcome the friction loss of the second and the other generating your needed power would that work? Also, if the magnets are the ones doing the needed work, then how does this go against thermodynamics? The creation of energy requires work, and if you have the magnets supplying that work then how is the law of conservation violated? In your example, the power out of the motor can never be greater than the total power put into both generators. And keep in mind that all the generators and motors will have some internal friction. Magnets don't do work by themselves. In a generator, it's the mechanical motion of the magnets relative to the wire that produces electrical current, and the power of that motion has to come from somewhere. Here's a way to think about the conservation of energy issue: When a motor drives a generator, the motor converts electrical energy into mechanical energy, and the generator converts the mechanical energy back to electrical. For the power coming out of the generator to be greater than that going into the motor, either the motor or generator - or both - must be more than 100% efficient, because it's producing more energy than it's consuming. That's not possible. |
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You're either a troll or a complete idiot. Either way this crap belongs in GD, not this forum. how is this trolling? it works and is relevant. Anything works when edited for youtube, including elephants flying... While the comments regarding Youtube are true in some cases I see no evidence to doubt the results of the video. If someone has an old computer fan lying around I'd love to see them duplicate this. |
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There is no such thing as free energy. True, which is why the concept requires a battery pack or small electrical motor that powers the generator rotations. However, a magnetic generator can produce more power than it consumes - which is power that can be used. So yes, in theory there is such thing as "free energy" and a magnetic generator is certainly a step in that direction. A generator can never produce more power than it consumes. Never. Anybody who took 10 minutes of physics in high school knows this. And the link that the OP provided is just a ordinary generator using a permanent magnet. There's absolutely nothing novel about it. Isn't that the point though? Using a permanent magnet to drive the generator? |
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lol, this does not work. (I just tried it) I work in IT so I had the same exact magnets and a bunch of fans to test with. |
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Hypothetical scenario: So if you had two magnetic generators; one powering a small motor to overcome the friction loss of the second and the other generating your needed power would that work? Also, if the magnets are the ones doing the needed work, then how does this go against thermodynamics? The creation of energy requires work, and if you have the magnets supplying that work then how is the law of conservation violated? Magnets do not supply work. The work is supplied by whatever is rotating the coils of wire through the magnetic field. It takes work to turn the rotor through the magnetic field. It doesn't just turn effortlessly. When there is a load on the generator it gets difficult to turn. |
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You're either a troll or a complete idiot. Either way this crap belongs in GD, not this forum. how is this trolling? it works and is relevant. Anything works when edited for youtube, including elephants flying... While the comments regarding Youtube are true in some cases I see no evidence to doubt the results of the video. If someone has an old computer fan lying around I'd love to see them duplicate this. It is a scam. It does not really work. |
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There is no such thing as free energy. thats not quite true it is just that getting enough to do anything is the problem. I can remember as a kid a man who lived down the road was into ham radios was always working on some type of project. He had this set up where he ran a long wire through the air one end hung from an insulater down to a ground rod the other end went to the ground strap of a spark plug from there a spark plug wire ran to a car ignition coil. Then he had two wires that went from the postive and negitive termnial of the coil down to a battery. When the voltage built up enough to jump the spark gap it sent a charge down to the battery and that was the way he kept the battery charged for his homemade radio. He told me when he was a kid his family could not afford battery's and this was how he got the power needed to listed to the radio. I'm not sure how this charged the battery, but I'll play along. If electricity was being pulled out of the air and used to charge the battery, then yes, that is free energy. It's also free energy if I run an extension cord to my neighbor's house to power my PC. This is simply an example of the law of conservation of energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy By free energy, I meant creating energy from nothing. This was likely some incarnation of induced current. If you live near high-tension lines you can induce current in a wire coil, enough to run some not insignificant electrics. This is NOT free energy; it comes from somewhere. |
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Hypothetical scenario: So if you had two magnetic generators; one powering a small motor to overcome the friction loss of the second and the other generating your needed power would that work? Also, if the magnets are the ones doing the needed work, then how does this go against thermodynamics? The creation of energy requires work, and if you have the magnets supplying that work then how is the law of conservation violated? In your example, the power out of the motor can never be greater than the total power put into both generators. And keep in mind that all the generators and motors will have some internal friction. Magnets don't do work by themselves. In a generator, it's the mechanical motion of the magnets relative to the wire that produces electrical current, and the power of that motion has to come from somewhere. Here's a way to think about the conservation of energy issue: When a motor drives a generator, the motor converts electrical energy into mechanical energy, and the generator converts the mechanical energy back to electrical. For the power coming out of the generator to be greater than that going into the motor, either the motor or generator - or both - must be more than 100% efficient, because it's producing more energy than it's consuming. That's not possible. Op make sure you read the above explanation. . |
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You're either a troll or a complete idiot. Either way this crap belongs in GD, not this forum. how is this trolling? it works and is relevant. Anything works when edited for youtube, including elephants flying... While the comments regarding Youtube are true in some cases I see no evidence to doubt the results of the video. If someone has an old computer fan lying around I'd love to see them duplicate this. Oh really... even though that particular youtube-channel is filled with hilarious free energy gizmos, like this one and this one? Also the same guy owns worlds deepest hole and even explains it. But sure, there's no need to doubt the results of the video 
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OP, here's some homework for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy_device There's no free lunch. |
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With all this free energy ill be able to afford a water torch
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=pwlOw7iCNrI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DpwlOw7iCNrI |
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Ran across this as I've been reading about magnetic generators - which is basically an attempt at a perpetual motion machine. I remember thinking of things like this as a kid, but never put anything into designing one. There's a lot of internet buzz out there about them - seems like a really fascinating concept. Anyone else ever heard of these? Heck I'd LOVE to have a setup running lights, etc. in my home rather than a generator which makes noise and requires fuel. For larger things like running an entire home I can see the technology as needing to be perfected, but for smaller applications this seems like the a superb way to go. Check out the video below. Linky Don't ALL electrical generators use 'magnetics' to operate??? That's fundamental, right? |
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There is no such thing as free energy. True, which is why the concept requires a battery pack or small electrical motor that powers the generator rotations. However, a magnetic generator can produce more power than it consumes - which is power that can be used. So yes, in theory there is such thing as "free energy" and a magnetic generator is certainly a step in that direction. A generator can never produce more power than it consumes. Never. Anybody who took 10 minutes of physics in high school knows this. And the link that the OP provided is just a ordinary generator using a permanent magnet. There's absolutely nothing novel about it. "Anybody who took 10 minutes of physics in high school knows this." NOT TRUE! ! ! ! ! There are many idiots folks out there who went to school and don't know shit. Look at who was just elected... 
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