[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Why does GD hate unions? (Page 1 of 5)
Posted: 1/10/2017 9:51:38 AM EDT
| I know we do these threads a lot but everyone always just says "fuck unions!" And never gives any reasons why they hate them? |
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Because unions by any other name would be a mafia.
Who else can force a business to take money out of employees paychecks (regardless of the employee's opinion) to pay said mafia? Who else can assault and literally kill people to protect said mafia while the government "tries" to find the attacker but have no results? Who else can produce less per man-hour and look down on the rest of us because we're "scabs?" Who else would rather "leave it in the ground" and drive up cost of living unless coal is mined union (UMWA)? Who supports politicians that are the exact opposite of everything we're against as a whole? Fuck the unions of today. Back in the day they knew their place and protected the workers, not it's a politically protected mafia. |
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Protect shitty employees from discipline Largely support democrat candidates with huge sums of money Suppresses creativity in the work place and promotes status quo Quoted:
Protect shitty employees from discipline Largely support democrat candidates with huge sums of money Suppresses creativity in the work place and promotes status quo Quoted:
Because people should be paid what they're worth, not some negotiated rate achieved through threats and blackmail. These.  This is why I support the abolition of the minimum wage, BTW. If I want to pay someone $0.50/hr, and they agree to it, what business is it of the goobermint?
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| You wanna know why I hate unions? Because I'm sitting here being held up by live power on a 120V relay when the rest of the panel has no power. Why am I doing this? Because the unions hired too many incompetent people and necessitated helicopter-mom safety rules that don't allow for work in a control panel with any live voltage above 50V and the bean counters thought it better to stop all work and prevent Darwin from doing his job. |
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Because Union leadership is 110% behind liberal/progressive/one-world government even at the determent of their members (Example: Coal Union Supporting Obama/Democraps even through Obama/Democraps stated their agenda was to destroy the Coal Industry).
If Union Members actually ousted the fat/liberal union bosses and union's supported the political party which reflected the interests and values of their members, all but the SEIU would be our friends. |
Last time I worked on a union jobsite, I finished my job @ 3:45pm on a Friday. The elevator operator had left for the day, so I had to carry my cart and all my tools down 18 flights of stairs (4 trips), because that was somehow "safer" than me pushing a button in the elevator. 
That's not why I hate unions, but it didn't help... |
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Unions have outlived their intended purpose and are full of corruption and have become over politicized.
They are more of a detriment and are one of the greatest reasons we lost jobs in America. Many companies moved their manufacturing out of the states to get away from union contracts. Production limits, strikes, impossible disciplinary sanctions, all added to the fall and demise of especially the auto industry in the US. ETA: Its impossible to get rid of a non productive or risky employee with a union present. Those are liabilities to the company. Lawyers fees also impacted profitability. It's a fact. In order for the economy to be strong companies have to be profitable. When they profit we have more money in our pockets to spend and that drives production and the purchase of goods. |
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Because Union leadership is 110% behind liberal/progressive/one-world government even at the determent of their members (Example: Coal Union Supporting Obama/Democraps even through Obama/Democraps stated their agenda was to destroy the Coal Industry). If Union Members actually ousted the fat/liberal union bosses and union's supported the political party which reflected the interests and values of their members, all but the SEIU would be our friends. No unions supported trump? |
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Unions had their place. Anymore, as it's been said, it's a mafia. Extorting money from employers and employees so they can "negotiate" better pay and benefits through blackmail.
Why does the shitbag that sits around and drinks coffee all night get paid $35 an hour, when some new guy comes in and has to pick up his slack for $20? Fuck unions. |
| Union employee almost my whole life. I can't say the Union is what it used to be, and that's a BAD thing! Our Union has sold us out before, with their backroom deals with the Co. I work for. But I could only imagine how that shit outfit I work for, would treat us WITHOUT the Union! I'll keep paying my dues thank you. |
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Union employee almost my whole life. I can't say the Union is what it used to be, and that's a BAD thing! Our Union has sold us out before, with their backroom deals with the Co. I work for. But I could only imagine how that shit outfit I work for, would treat us WITHOUT the Union! I'll keep paying my dues thank you. Where does all that money from your check go? Companies that treat people bad end up in lawsuits. I've seen companies whose hands are so tied by the union the employees couldn't get raises or other benefits because of the union contract. The company WANTED to do right by the employees. The union contract prevented it from happening. It's disgusting. When a union interferes with the operations of an organization to the point of detriment to the employees that's a dysfunctional relationship. Remington moved to the south to get away from the union for that very reason. |
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I know we do these threads a lot but everyone always just says "fuck unions!" And never gives any reasons why they hate them? I don't know that most people hate ALL unions. I personally hate MNA (Minnesota nurses assn) and NNU (National Nurses United) as they got all their members whipped into a frenzy this past year to vote to strike. After 8 weeks off total, they got exactly what they could have had without a strike. Well, almost. They "negotiated" themselves right out of a $1,000 signing bonus. And I got the environment where I've worked for over 15 years destroyed. |
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At the last plant I worked, a union member was caught stealing food from the cafeteria. He had been doing this daily for months or maybe longer. He could not be fired for his crime due to union protection. The 3rd-party company that ran the cafeteria decided to push the issue. The union boycotted the cafeteria and he had to pull out of servicing the plant
The unions protected a thief just because he was a member. Instead of punishing him internally they attacked the person who exposed his crimes. Union employees often treat contractors like shit and look down on them for whatever reason. Motherfucker you work on an assembly line doing the least skilled job imaginable. You don't get to look down on a cafeteria worker or janitor. I could talk about how they fight automation tooth and nail or are greatly overpaid, but I personally can't fault an individual for trying to hang on to a cushy job for a few more years or to make the most money for the least work possible. I think a lot of the hate comes from seeing the union protect shitty people or throwing tantrums over nothing (break room A has ketchup and break room B doesn't. Waaah waaah waaah). It is not very endearing behavior. When the union strikes they will do stuff like disable machine guards or take the screws out of handrails so people will get hurt. That sort of stuff doesn't make you allies. |
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They KILL companies and result in the loss of jobs for thousands of workers. Case in point.
In the 80's, I worked for Sears at one of their 12 regional shipping plants. We being in NC were one of the few that were non union. The union came in and tried to get us to vote to unionize. At that time in 1986, I made $10 an hour loading trucks part time. Full time employees made $25-40 an hour. That was GREAT money at the time. Union plant employees made 50%-60 more. Sears as a corporation was getting hammered financially. They started closing plants down. Guess where they started? Yep, the non union were the first to go. What did the union continue to do? Squeeze their nuts until they ended up the shadow of a company that they once were. Part of Sears problem was not keeping up with the times, but they started on their downhill slide due to the union killing them with labor costs. You can't look at expanding your business into e-commerce when you can't pay your union labor force.. |
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Hey STOOGE, you honestly believe, Corporate America's going to pay you what you're worth? How's that working for you? Quoted:
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Because people should be paid what they're worth, not some negotiated rate achieved through threats and blackmail. Hey STOOGE, you honestly believe, Corporate America's going to pay you what you're worth? How's that working for you? Mine does. Strangely enough, they've discovered that if they compensate top performers well, they stick around and aren't always out there looking for something better. And having talented people on board lets them bid complicated jobs with confidence, knowing they'll be able to deliver. And the happy clients keep coming back for more. Company makes more money, I make more money. Happiness abounds. Strange how that all works. |
| For the reasons listed above and because they work out bullshit deals that screw the end consumer. Back in Maryland where I lived, the unions set up with all the local HVAC supply stores, and made it to where you had to show proof of membership to buy anything, even just a capacitor. So to change a $6 capacitor involved a service call from an hvac tech and then their minimum rate of $100, and then their "material cost" of another $50. Bunch of fucking criminals. |
