Posted: 7/11/2007 11:13:28 AM EDT
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A friend of mine is getting ready to purchase a new handgun for home defense. He is trying to decide between a .40 and .45 and is considering a Glock. This is my response. I remembered this morning what it was that I didn't like about the Glock and what I did like about it. I absolutely hated the trigger. The Glock has a trigger with a three position safety It also has a long trigger pull. S&W is doing the same thing in some models these days. I'm not sure but I was told it was something to do with the drop test the DOJ put in place. Guns with a long trigger pull tend to make you anticipate the shot. The longer pull also increases finger and hand movement. This combined with the anticipation will make YOU a less accurate shot. You will go through a lot of ammo to fix this at the range but it can be overcome. When you draw down on an intruder you will be nervous and shaking adding to the long pull problem. For H.D. you need something that is as smooth as possible. A lot of Tactical professionals have never even been in a real life situation where they have had to draw down at all. Much less draw down at home, shitting themselves, with swingin nuts in the middle of the night. So I would listen to the advice but take it with a grain of salt. I had to do it once but I used my 12 ga. which is your best bet for HD in the first place . When it comes to protecting your home and family, accuracy is extremely important. You wouldn't want to accidentally shoot your neighbor or your fiancé. However I do like the hi cap mags. I think it's 15 rounds in the Glock where the Colt is 7 +1. But remember, large cap mags make for a fatter grip. Which is ok for you and I but it may be more difficult for your fiancé to handle. It really depends on what you like. The extra safety is in the back of the grip on the Colt 1991 which you will find is a much better design as it has no effect on the way the gun handles. I also like receivers that are milled rather than stamped or composites. I recommend you stay away from stamped parts. They just feel cheap because they are cheap. The price is right on the Glock but you may be able to purchase a used 1911/1991 for that. I recommend you rent a one of each at (name removed) to get a feel for them and see how you shoot them. But mostly I recommend you use the 12 ga for HD and spend your money on an AR-15 home build. I can help you get it done for cheap under $750.00. Ask a tactical professional what he would prefer. His favorite handgun or a nice little .223 carbine. Any one who answers handgun probably isn't a tactical professional. What say the hive? Edited to add bolds, clarity and this guy  |
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I remember watching one of Bill Wilson's shooting videos in which they described picking a good handgun. One of the statements made was something to the effect that "if I knew for a certainty that I was going to be in a gunfight, I wouldn't grab a pistol, I'd grab a CAR-15." That said, a handgun is pretty convenient to keep at your side during times when you don't know you're going to be in a gunfight (which is 99.99999% of the time for most of us). I don't think the Glock's trigger pull is that bad but I've dry fired it a couple thousand times to get used to it. You're in CA, how are you gonna do an AR-15 home build? You might want to think about a Mini-14 w/ 10 round mags. (Oh boy, now I've opened up a can of worms). |
you can do a home build with a fixed mag here. |
ya maybe not. but then again maybe so. maybe your Glock is an old one or not one that had to pass the DOJ drop test. maybe you don't know what you're talking about either. but then again maybe so. GLOCK "SAFE ACTION" PISTOL THE top product among the small arms of the world is without doubt the GLOCK "Safe Action" pistol. It employs innovative safety features which makes the pistol easy to operate. No other pistol offers a better price-performance ratio. Its minimum weight and legendary GLOCK reliability are unsurpassed. It is exactly these characteristics that meet the requirements of police, special units, security services and the military. Extremely tough tests by public law enforcement agencies prove time and time again that GLOCK "Safe Action" pistols function without compromise, even under the most extreme conditions. ACTION Safe and ingeniously simple: Contrary to conventional, the trigger is the only operating element. All three pistol safeties are deactivated when the trigger is pulled -and automatically activated when it is released. http://www.glock.com/english/index_pistols.htm |
had to quote myself. |
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Take him to a Rental range and TRY every model/Make that fits his hand. Let him decide what works for him. It's getting hard to buy a "Bad" handgun from the top Makers these days. And No. The Glock trigger has nothing to do with the "Drop Test", and with the right mods can be a fairly decent trigger with a shorter and more positive reset than the XD or M&P. Best of luck to the both of ya's! S-28 |
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What is this long trigger pull on a Glock that you are talking about? I am by far more accurate with my G21 than any other handgun. It has an extremely short reset and a 3.5# trigger. 3 position safety?  As far as my go to handgun at home, it is my Glock 21. I have 4 mags loaded with 230gr Golddots. That should cover me from most common home invasions. Going into the safe every night and dragging out my AR's is a pain in the arse. |
I know someone that can do it for you. Call delton and order a rifle kit then go to Bright Spot in Norco and get the lower then a guy named Brian will build it for you for $50 as far as the Glock trigger if you shoot right it shoot not be a problem. To shoot properly you should be taking the slack out of the trigger,that should happen with the Glock normaly, I can tell you I have out shot many different handguns with my G17 and G21. I love the glock trigger. |
It must just be the ten or so Glocks I have used. Try a side by side comparison I prefer the trigger on my 1911. for HD I recomended he use his 12 ga. and spend the money on a AR build. |
I can build my own been there done that but thank you. |
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while the trigger on a decent 1911 and the trigger on a glock are truly 2 different animals, the glock does not have a 3-stage trigger, nor does the glock trigger hinder practical accuracy IME ...now that frigged up grip angel is another story altogether 
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What? The US M1, .30 Carbine is one of the few semi-auto rifles that, due to the lack of a pistol grip, are legally available in CA. Unless things have changed... |
my mistake the fixed mag was in reference to the AR I was recomending he build. |
i agree with VThokieshooter; i too believe you are full of shit glock's trigger isnt a long pull and has a very very short reset. combined with a high bore axis, it is a very very accurate pistol dont blame it for your anticipation and innaccurate shooting, those are your problems. some people shoot different guns accurately, and that is not the guns fault. 1911s are easy to shoot well; glocks take more practice and someone more accurate on a heavy trigger liek glock's or a very long creepy trigger like the S&W sigma will perform very well on single actions and DA/SAs also, it would be dumb as shit to recommend your friend an AR15 for home defense in california's political climate; with the liberals in charge, you will be guaranteed to land yourself in fuck you in the ass prison. have your friend try out different handguns at a range that rents and have him see what he lieks in his own hands |
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1911s are easy to shoot well; glocks take more practice and someone more accurate on a heavy trigger liek glock's or a very long creepy trigger like the S&W sigma will perform very well on single actions and DA/SAs also, it would be dumb as shit to recommend your friend an AR15 for home defense in california's political climate; with the liberals in charge, you will be guaranteed to land yourself in fuck you in the ass prison. have your friend try out different handguns at a range that rents and have him see what he lieks in his own hands First: The easy use of the Colt is exactly why I like it for new shooters. Long creepy triggers are harder for newbies to get used to and can be discouraging. Second: Your ignorance of Ca law is astounding and very iresponsible as a California gun owner, you really should educate yourself about the laws. Third: A 12 gage was what I recomended for home defense. Fourth:The Govnernator is a Republican. Fifth: Watch the profanity, don't get my thread locked and quit trolling. and most important: It would be nice to hear from someone who knows a little more about the subject and is non biased. I know a bit but not it all. If you read the origonal post, renting many different guns is exactly what I recomended. We are going this Friday. but so far it would seem the Glock fans are the only ones to respond. So far, the Glock has it. |
off list lower built AR's in fixed mag & gripless featureless are legal by the letter of the law. however, go ahead and defend your home wtih one and actually kill a burglar. are you that confident the district attorneys out there arent going to send you to the shittiest shit hole prison for doing so? thats a damn good laugh if you think the law, those who interpret it, and those who write it are on YOUR side. there is still a legal and visual stigma with black rifles in terms of LEO and the legal system in CA, ignore that at your own risk and educate yourself about the political environment please. republican governator? you think that makes a damn of a difference when the CA courts, DA's, and other NON-governator entities are pounding your ass in court? what has he even done against the anti gunners and illegal immigrants. and no, people are not pushing glock on you and your friend. your comments on glock come out very ignorant and uneducated, yes almost to the point of talking shit. go try sigs, berettas, and HK's, they are fine firearms too. |
Ok for the unteenth time, I use a 12 gage for home defense. the recomedation of the build was a way to better spend his money. I can build him an AR for just a little more than the new Glock will cost. No more hijackey. Comprendy amigo? |
thats a pretty neat way of saying you cant continue an argument. as i said in my previous post, if you even bothered to read that far, try out sigs, berettas, HK's and CZ's for SA and DA/SA triggers since it looks like you may prefer them for feel and shootability. i dont see that as a hijack 
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| I do not mean to sound misleading about the Glock. I am not a big fan of the trigger. Its an opinion. My friend has been talking to a friend that is supposed to be a Tactical professional who believes it is the best gun for him. I beg to differ but I may be wrong. Like I said, I know a bit but I don't know it all. Thanks for giving me the chance t oget the thread back on track. Lets just hope it stays that way. |
we get bored dammit
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edited for clarity. I remembered this morning what it was that I didn't like about the Glock and what I did like about it. I absolutely hated the trigger. The Glock has a trigger with a three position safety It |
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This thread started out asking about handguns so I'll stick with that. Apparently your friend doesn't have a lot of experience, but wants a handgun for home defense. Seems the gun that makes the most sense is a 4" revolver, probably .38. Everyone needs one. Simple to operate and if he puts it in a drawer for the next twenty years it will work when he takes it out in 2027. If he likes shooting and becomes more proficient he may want to try other guns. If he doesn't he's still got a gun that will work when needed. Plus, in California it is unquestionably legal (for now). I've bought and sold several over the years. Wish I still had the first S&W model 19 I bought in 1970. |
You didn't get a single safety there... Thumb safety, grip safety, and depending on the model a firing pin safety. I think glock triggers are long. All I shoot are 1911's though. They aren't as lond as a DA but they are much longer than my custom 1911's. Instead of jumping all over him just understand he may be speaking in comparison to what he uses. Seems there are alot of people insecure about their choice of firearm. |
Inferring that a person should keep a gun for self protection without the need for practice in safe and proper handling is not a good idea. A HD gun should never sit unused for any serious length of time, especially if the owner is a beginner. |
This from the Glock website. ACTION Safe and ingeniously simple: Contrary to conventional, the trigger is the only operating element. All three pistol safeties are deactivated when the trigger is pulled -and automatically activated when it is released. http://www.glock.com/english/index_pistols.htm |
Reading comprehension could be your friend if you try hard. " ...IF he puts it in a drawer... ' There is no inference, stated or implied, that putting a gun in a drawer for 20 years is a good idea. Good idea, or not, there are many people who do just that. If it is done there is a better chance a revolver will work and not suffer from weak mag springs, etc. |
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