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Posted: 8/15/2007 6:38:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2007 6:39:35 AM EDT by Wave]
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 6:43:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2007 6:43:54 AM EDT by Hawkeye]
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 6:55:41 AM EDT
I repeatedly question the paradox of the actions of school boards and other .gov agencies based upon the complaint of one person vs. the public outcry and clamoring of many. They're so concerned about the complaint of the one person, that they ignore the subsequent complaints by hundreds???

Link Posted: 8/15/2007 7:50:49 AM EDT
Are there really people out there who get so offended by the word "Christmas" that they refuse to go to events with that name? Do they also boycott Christmas sales, Christmas movies, etc.

We really have become a nation of whiners it seems.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 7:53:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2007 7:53:37 AM EDT by MrClean4Hire]
Keep Christmas, I'm tired of the pc motherfuckers.

Link Posted: 8/15/2007 7:55:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2007 7:59:07 AM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 7:57:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
Keep Christmas, I'm tired of the pc motherfuckers.

+1.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 7:57:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By civprod:
Are there really people out there who get so offended by the word "Christmas" that they refuse to go to events with that name? Do they also boycott Christmas sales, Christmas movies, etc.

We really have become a nation of whiners it seems.


on the other side, there are people who claim only Christians can celebrate Christmas

/shrug

it takes all kinds
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 7:58:14 AM EDT
Christmas FTW!
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 8:01:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2007 8:02:37 AM EDT by monkeybusiness]
POP QUIZ, HOTSHOT.... what is the holiday called that falls every year on December 25th???

What is the common name applied to the pre-holiday evening that falls every year on December 24th??


Merry Christmas


Link Posted: 8/15/2007 8:07:50 AM EDT
Why did they come here?
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 8:13:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dino:

Originally Posted By civprod:
Are there really people out there who get so offended by the word "Christmas" that they refuse to go to events with that name? Do they also boycott Christmas sales, Christmas movies, etc.

We really have become a nation of whiners it seems.


on the other side, there are people who claim only Christians can celebrate Christmas

/shrug

it takes all kinds


No one in retail.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 9:51:27 AM EDT
Then they should schedule the "Winter" Concert in Jan or Feb.

Oh! But we can't have that!
It has to be around......um........Christmas time.


Link Posted: 8/15/2007 10:44:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2007 10:45:36 AM EDT by BenDover]

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By BenDover:
I repeatedly question the paradox of the actions of school boards and other .gov agencies based upon the complaint of one person vs. the public outcry and clamoring of many. They're so concerned about the complaint of the one person, that they ignore the subsequent complaints by hundreds???


Not that I don't think the annual menorah litigation stuff isn't silly, but the Constitution protects individuals' rights against the whims of angry mobs.

Course if you want to apply that standard around here your kids would have to learn the Stations of the Cross to graduate. I bet the first time junior comes home to tell mom and pop about the "Statue of Mary" on the teacher's desk there would be plenty of "Christians" who would have the phone ringing off the hook at the local ACLU coven.


You're missing the point. I agree about all the constitutional protections, yaddie yaddie.

I'm simply referring to the reaction of the school board when a solitary parent complains about something that has been in existence since the school was founded -- hardly something whimsical that is being forced on one's kid at the hands of an angry mob. Instead of simply ignoring that which offends you, and not attending or sending your kid, you threaten something that impacts the overwhelming majority of the student base.

Yet, when the obvious clamor of the masses sounds the alarm to fight against changing that which already exists, the outcry of hundreds of voices goes unheard.

They're worried about POSSIBLY being sued by ONE parent, but they are not worried about being voted out of their seat by hundreds of parents?

Link Posted: 8/15/2007 11:28:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 11:40:33 AM EDT

“In the private sector, a person who is out of touch with his bosses gets terminated, and we are the bosses here — not bin Laden over there,” said Brian Kerrane, gesturing toward Ms. Cohn. Mr. Kerrane, whose children attend one of the four elementary schools in the district, was cheered, just as the few people who stood to defend Ms. Cohn and the proposed change were loudly booed.




Link Posted: 8/15/2007 5:37:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By BenDover:

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By BenDover:
I repeatedly question the paradox of the actions of school boards and other .gov agencies based upon the complaint of one person vs. the public outcry and clamoring of many. They're so concerned about the complaint of the one person, that they ignore the subsequent complaints by hundreds???


Not that I don't think the annual menorah litigation stuff isn't silly, but the Constitution protects individuals' rights against the whims of angry mobs.

Course if you want to apply that standard around here your kids would have to learn the Stations of the Cross to graduate. I bet the first time junior comes home to tell mom and pop about the "Statue of Mary" on the teacher's desk there would be plenty of "Christians" who would have the phone ringing off the hook at the local ACLU coven.


You're missing the point. I agree about all the constitutional protections, yaddie yaddie.

I'm simply referring to the reaction of the school board when a solitary parent complains about something that has been in existence since the school was founded -- hardly something whimsical that is being forced on one's kid at the hands of an angry mob. Instead of simply ignoring that which offends you, and not attending or sending your kid, you threaten something that impacts the overwhelming majority of the student base.

Yet, when the obvious clamor of the masses sounds the alarm to fight against changing that which already exists, the outcry of hundreds of voices goes unheard.

They're worried about POSSIBLY being sued by ONE parent, but they are not worried about being voted out of their seat by hundreds of parents?



I think that a lot of people (not you specifically, I have no idea) who think that the sole whiner should keep his trap shut because everyone else wants something would be the first to bitch if the school did something that supported another religion or sect over their religion or sect. "Waaah how dare they mess with the Christmas Pageant" is often followed with a second "Waaah they taught my kid about (fill in the blank muslim holiday) at school or Waah the post office has a stamp about (fill in the blank muslim holiday)." thread. The desire to allow religion in schools is directly related to whose sheep is being shorn.


As far as the school board, schools are RIDICULOUSLY litigation averse to the point of bizarre paranoia.

Remember that school in Pennsylvania that started requiring teaching creationism as science? They were even in front of a judge who would normally have been considered a "religion friendly" conservative and they got their asses handed to them after a long and expensive (for the district) court battle. I would guess (and could be wrong) that the holy roller board members who were behind that idea are not going to have their seats back. I think there has been a fair number of those menorah cases downstate and the school districts get hit with some regularity (although the decisions seem pretty contradictory) so I would not be surprised that they are gunshy and I am a little surprised they had the stones to let the Christmas stuff continue.


I understand the very rehashed position of the silent minority vs. the holy roller majority.

However, if you, as the minority, don't agree with the overwhelming majority of self-determining folks in a locality; and, you cannot simply ignore the fact that the majority chooses to do something different than what you believe -- move to a community which reflects more of your own values instead of trying to change the traditions of a community who sees things very differently on a wider scale.

Don't try to push water uphill in a place where you likely won't reside for very long anyway after crying foul.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 5:42:55 PM EDT
Nobody's forcing them to go to the Christmas Concert. Heck, nobody is forcing them to like it, either.

Their call.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 5:50:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 5:54:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By BenDover:


I understand the very rehashed position of the silent minority vs. the holy roller majority.

However, if you, as the minority, don't agree with the overwhelming majority of self-determining folks in a locality; and, you cannot simply ignore the fact that the majority chooses to do something different than what you believe -- move to a community which reflects more of your own values instead of trying to change the traditions of a community who sees things very differently on a wider scale.

Don't try to push water uphill in a place where you likely won't reside for very long anyway after crying foul.


Personally I'm not big on "Run away!!" I wonder if the evangelicals who were booted from the Dover school board after sucking the school district into an expensive and losing lawsuit left town in shame when they were shown to be an uncared for minority?

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/09/AR2005110900114.html


There's a difference between teaching doctrine as part of an education curriculum, and calling something a CHRISTMAS musical because... it's in relation to the CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY. One is mandatory, one is elective.

Again, the Dover voters reflected the wishes of the majority of the community in Dover.
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