[ARCHIVED THREAD] - What % of Arfcom Hunts? (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 8/16/2009 4:11:34 PM EDT
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Is the hunting community well represented around here? I mean we always joke about Fudds, but I am curious how many of us are hunters.
If you do hunt, post up which game and type of hunting (bow, black powder etc) you enjoy. How avid of a hunter are you? Do you go once out of the season, or everyday? Are you fast enough to get in before the poll? |
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From past polls about 40% of ARFCOM care more for animals than humans. There are a lot of anti-hunters here.  Past polls about what? How much people love animals? The Whale Watch and PETA property damage threads. 
What they fail to see is the anti's use the anti0hunting angle too, it was in suggarmans book. |
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Quoted: From past polls about 40% of ARFCOM care more for animals than humans. There are a lot of anti-hunters here. Anti-hunters are idiots who don't understand the most basic aspects of wildlife control. We eliminate the apex predators in wide swaths of areas to make it habitable for humans, but they think somehow, all the prey animals without any sort of predator population control will somehow not overpopulate. Show me an anti-hunter and I'll show you someone who lacks the fundamental understanding of biology. |
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Wife and I have built our LIVES around hunting, and our desire to bring our kids up the same way. Sometimes I wonder what percentage of Arfcom even shoots!  Not making fun of you guys, but do you have a Realtree Advantage or Mossy Oak bed spread? I always thought it would be cool to have one in a guest room. |
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Quoted: I am not sure either, but I would rather be around animals than people as well. If it was a poll like that I can believe it because much of ARFcom is likely to be more introverted.Quoted: From past polls about 40% of ARFCOM care more for animals than humans. There are a lot of anti-hunters here. Past polls about what? How much people love animals? I like animals more than people, but I go fishing and would shoot one if necessity(food/safety) called for it. |
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Wife and I have built our LIVES around hunting, and our desire to bring our kids up the same way. Sometimes I wonder what percentage of Arfcom even shoots! Not making fun of you guys, but do you have a Realtree Advantage or Mossy Oak bed spread? I always thought it would be cool to have one in a guest room. Neither brother, and to be honest we RARELY use camo other than turkey hunting. And even then its 20 year old Realtree or 50 year old mil surplus. We stick to the basics- no ATVs, game cameras, infared do hickeys, feeders,etc Just good woodmanship, andhard work. Heck, I've had it bad for 40 years. Even got a degree in wildlife management. I'm THAT into it. I can't NOT hunt! |
My dad took me squirrel hunting when I was five. I shot my first one when I was twelve. I am 50 and have hunted every year since. Most things that have a season I have pursued––deer, ducks, geese, quail, pheasant, rabbit, squirrels, turkeys, bullfrogs, doves, etc. 
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From past polls about 40% of ARFCOM care more for animals than humans. There are a lot of anti-hunters here. Past polls about what? How much people love animals? He's crying about a poll that proposed the question: Which would you rescue from a burning building, your own pet or a complete stranger? Or something to that effect. |
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Quoted: I mean we always joke about Fudds, but I am curious how many of us are hunters. Remember, while all Fudds are hunters*, not all hunters are Fudds. In a simple sentence, Fudds are a type of gun owner who would sacrifice another shooter's weapons to preserve their own. They believe (or allow others to think they believe) that "nobody", "only the police and military" "only terrorists" or "only criminals" have a use for guns that have (or can accept): Some include handguns in the "criminal/police/terrorist/military" category as well, and of course most NFA items are right out. As a result of this bias, they are more than willing - some might say eager - to sacrifice these types of weapons on the altar of "gun control" - as long as the anti's leave their precious firearms alone. After all, the Second Amendment is about hunting, isn't it? What they don't realize is that the anti's are more than willing to agree.... now.... and then come after their scoped bolt action hunting rifles [VPC] Accurized Sniper Weapons capable of projecting death farther than the unaided eye can see [/VPC] at a later date. And as the Neimoller poem read: "First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me." So the poem of the American Gun Owner might read: "First they came for the Machine Guns, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Machine Gun owner. Then they came for the Assault Weapons, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't an Assault Weapon owner. Then they came for the Hand Guns, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Hand Gunner. Then they called my Hunting Rifle a Sniper Weapon and came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me." Unless we pull together and realize that an attempt to disarm any of the "sub groups" of gun owners is an attempt to disarm law-abiding Americans, period. Most of the handgunners, EBR owners and NFA folks realize this, but sadly many "shooters" don't... and thus the saga of the Fudds continues. * The definition above can also allow Trap/Skeet/Sporting Clays shooters, Extreme Range Varmiters and Single Action Shooters to qualify as "Fudds" if they subscribe to the same belief. |
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Prior to having a family of my own, I spent almost all of my free time chasing game. Harvested many deer, turkeys, ducks, geese, doves, & squirrels.
I learned more about wildlife actually perusing them than I could have in a lifetime of just reading about it. I love animals as much as the next person, They Taste Great!  Seriously though, the ability to hunt & harvest game is a valuable skill to have in ones arsenal.
These days time constraints prohibit me from doing much hunting, but I try to get out at least A few times each year. My kids are coming of age now & if they're interested I'll enjoy passing down to them what I've learned over the years. Also, my latest AR build (.458 SOCOM) has me more excited about deer season than I've been in years. If I don't harvest several with it this coming season I'll be disappointed. |
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I'm from the Texas panhandle so pheasant is my game of choice, but after going to college I don't get to be around for opening day. So while I love hunting, I just don't get to much. I'd love to deer hunt but never got to because my family isn't really into it.
Then there are rabits and prairie dogs a plenty up here... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Every year since I was 12. In the last 5 or 6 years I've started bow hunting, but I haven't taken anything with the bow yet.
I only hunted deer and elk until I met my wife. Her family came from Iowa and loves to hunt waterfowl and pheasants so I've done that a few times. I stick to big game mostly, though. I hope you don't mind me hijacking with some pictures. Here are some animals I've taken; 
I forgot that I made that pic so small. There's a little buck in there with my rifle resting over his back. These are some elk that are usually hanging out across the street from my in-laws place. 
I saw these elk on the way home from work (about half a mile from the office). 
I posted this picture in Hometown. The herd bull is in the center of the pic (the middle elk in the string of five that are lined up vertically). I went out later that evening and got to within 50 yards of him, but no shot (bow hunting). 
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I love hunting, and those pictures make me want to move out of Michigan, farther west.
Every year since I was 12. In the last 5 or 6 years I've started bow hunting, but I haven't taken anything with the bow yet. I only hunted deer and elk until I met my wife. Her family came from Iowa and loves to hunt waterfowl and pheasants so I've done that a few times. I stick to big game mostly, though. I hope you don't mind me hijacking with some pictures. Here are some animals I've taken; http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/lincolnd_bucket/elk.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/lincolnd_bucket/n90500987_30312828_1051.jpg http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/lincolnd_bucket/s90500987_30312825_7909.jpg I forgot that I made that pic so small. There's a little buck in there with my rifle resting over his back. These are some elk that are usually hanging out across the street from my in-laws place. http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/lincolnd_bucket/DSC00701.jpg I saw these elk on the way home from work (about half a mile from the office). http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/lincolnd_bucket/DSC01114.jpg I posted this picture in Hometown. The herd bull is in the center of the pic (the middle elk in the string of five that are lined up vertically). I went out later that evening and got to within 50 yards of him, but no shot (bow hunting). http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/lincolnd_bucket/DSC03802.jpg |
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I hunt occasionally.
I have taken a few deer. A couple elk. Small game. Varmints. But I don't hunt every year. I don't take vacation to hunt. I don't read hunting magazines as a general rule or read hunting related websites as a general rule. When I hunt it is usually somewhat half-assed. I don't scout, I put everything together right before I go. I usually haven't fired my guns or bow since the last time I hunted which might have been years ago. There are two primary reasons for this: 1) I don't have anybody to hunt with 2) I live in a state with a lottery for tags and I often don't get drawn. These two reasons morph into other related reasons: In the west you are often hunting in very remote areas and I really don't feel comfortable going there and hunting by myself. I could get stuck, or I could get hurt, or I could get lost, or ................. and I am totally on my own. Plus it is a lot more fun to discuss getting ready for the hunt, getting your gear all tuned up, camping, actually hunting............ with other people. Getting an animal like an elk out of the woods is a bitch. Again, having a little help and someone to share the misery with makes it a lot more plesant. I had a very good friend that I grew up with that I used to hunt with. We hunted together since we were kids. We were both single into our 30s. We both made good money. We went on a good big game hunt every year (usually elk) and most of the time would go on a Canadian fishing trip every couple years. He ended up getting married and became a totally pussy whipped asshole and I never hear from him anymore. I kept going after that for a few years but gradually got further and further away from it. This year I got drawn for an archery mule deer tag in Nevada and I went out for four days. I might go for another 4 days later this month. I haven't hunted in a couple years or more. Haven;t shot my bow in longer than that. |
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Quoted: Tango do you have a VPC report that actually says that? I would love to use that little bit in a debate. Mostly fifty cal's but VPC link to a slew of "reports" (left cold): http://www.vpc.org/50caliber.htm Here's a little example of their fine ability to twist and skew - note the lack of a specific mention of 50's - from May of '99 (code errors from their page): Gun Industry Imperils National Security with Sales of Military Sniper RiflesPowerful Weapons Can Shoot Down Airplanes, Penetrate Armor From Over a Mile AwayNew VPC Report Exposes Aggressive Marketing Efforts, Burgeoning Subculture of Sniper Enthusiasts The gun industry's sale of military sniper rifles to civilian customers poses a serious threat to national security�making the ideal weapon for assassination and destruction available to terrorists, criminals, or mentally unstable people in the United States, according to a new report by the Violence Policy Center. The study was released today at a minority Congressional hearing organized by Reps. Henry Waxman (D-CA) and Rod Blagojevich (D-IL). Radically different from typical hunting firearms, sniper rifles boast breathtaking accuracy, range, and power. The weapon is capable of pinpoint shots from distances of up to 2,000 yards�so that a marksman could hit a target next to the Pentagon in Virginia when firing from the Lincoln or Jefferson Memorials in Washington. Even at such long range, the bullets can penetrate armor. Despite these capabilities, federal law treats these weapons no differently from our grandfathers' deer rifles. "If sniper rifle sales continue, it's only a matter of time before a domestic terrorist uses one," said VPC Senior Policy Analyst Tom Diaz, the report's author. "The destructive capability of the sniper rifle is chilling." The new report, One Shot, One Kill: Civilian Sales of Military Sniper Rifles, explains the capabilities of sniper rifles, exposes the industry's aggressive efforts to market them, and uncovers the lurid subculture associated with the weapons. Boosted in gun magazines and publications such as Soldier of Fortune, the sniper subculture glorifies the grisly aspects of the sniper fantasy, diminishes the human cost, and teaches the avid reader everything about sniping, from equipment to tactics. Countless books, videos, and articles are filled with graphic descriptions of sniper wounds, while a cottage industry of video games, posters, and even tee shirts capitalizes on the sniper mystique. The VPC has acquired samples of this material, including a tee shirt emblazoned with the motto "One Shot One Kill" and several sniper books and magazines, which can be made available for journalists to examine and photograph. "The marketing of the sniper rifle presents a combustible mix of mordant fantasies and the ideal weapon to carry them out," Diaz said. "It may be a mere diversion for some, but remember that the perpetrators of such atrocities as the Columbine High School massacre and the Oklahoma City bombing were deeply immersed in the netherworld of the gun culture." The report offers a range of responses for policymakers who want to neutralize the threat of sniper rifles. Among the proposals are stricter regulations of the rifles and a ban on armor-piercing ammunition�now legal�which gives the guns even greater penetrating power. Diaz first came across marketing of the sniper rifle while researching his book on the gun industry, Making A Killing: The Business of Guns in America. After some further probing last fall, the Violence Policy Center brought these alarming findings to the staff of Congressmen Waxman and Blagojevich, who immediately followed up by commissioning a study by the General Accounting Office. "We at the VPC want to thank Congressman Waxman and Congressman Blagojevich for their swift and aggressive response," Diaz said. "They and their staff were as shocked as we were when we learned of this craven effort to sell such lethal guns. I think average Americans will share our fears." From a Brady group MySpace blog that couldn't stand the heat - it now reads "Invalid Friend ID. This user has either cancelled their membership, or their account has been deleted. " Found here: Newburg Rifle & Pistol Club (I'm sure they won't mind the hotlink) I would like to take a moment to comment on the proliferation of Sniper Rifles. Sniper Rifles are typically equipped with a high-powered scope, and every single one of them can blow through the body armor cops wear. They can even penetrate multiple police cars. Does the Second Amendment protect cop-killer Sniper Rifles? The NRA certainly thinks so, along with the powerful gun lobby that wants your children and your law enforcement officers to be at risk from these weapons of mass destruction. Some of these Sniper Rifles can even penetrate ballistic or armored glass, lightly armored vehicles, and armored limousines. Senator Ted Kennedy attempted to solve this with an important bill that would have banned armor piercing ammunition and protected lawful firearm commerce: "Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating..... ..It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America.." Should our elected officials live under the threat of reprisal on their lives from disgruntled constituents? The Gun Lobby seems to think so. We disagree. Sniper Rifles can be equipped with precision optics above even what the Military uses, allowing a sniper to deliver rounds within millimeters of accuracy - enabling them to engage targets at distances of well over one hundred meters. Is there a pressing need to be able to kill with accuracy at that distance? It is too far to justify as self defense. It is too far for hunting. It is only useful for those who wish to murder from afar. Large caliber Sniper Rifles such as the .50 Browning Machine Gun can derail freight cars, shoot down aircraft and helicopters, damage vital ground equipment such as power substations, fuel tanks, and air traffic control, and cause complete chaos. For more information on why large caliber machine-gun rounds must be banned, visit http://www.50caliberterror.com. A shipment of large caliber machine-gun round sniper rifles made by Steyr turned up in Iran, and are being used on our own soldiers, as the .50 bullets easily defeat their body armor, their up-armored humvees, and even APCs. Many forward thinking, progressive politicians such as Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama have voted against Center-Fire Rifle Ammunition of types for Sniper Rifles, but due to the pressure and massive financial resources of the gun industry, the necessary steps to protect our homes and lives have not been attained. Sniper Rifles have been used by murderers and spree killers for years, with notable incidents such as the Beltway Snipers, the Clocktower Sniper, and more. ANY rifle configured and equipped as a sniper rifle has no sporting purpose especially as a hunting rifle. They are too big and heavy to take to the field. Designed for distance shooting, they are useless for the ranges at which game animals are normally shot, and when used on sporting sized game at range they often just wound the animal, inhumanely forcing it to die slowly while the would-be hunter tracks it to finish it off. Most Sniper Rifles fire atypically large cartridges and ultra high velocity ammunition that can travel much greater distances that standard ammunition. The danger imposed from missed shots and ricochetes from these specialty rounds is unreasonable. Most of these rifles carry multiple rounds, with either an automatic mechanism, or a quick toggle action to rapidly move another bullet into the breech, ready to fire into another victim. In most states, they are nearly unrestricted. Anyone over the age of 18 can buy one. If they can't pass a background check, they skirt the NCIS system by going to a gunshow, or finding a private sale in the newspaper. A murderer camped at a distance from a public gathering could quickly turn it into a massacre dwarfing anything we have seen before in the United States, if they had a Sniper Rifle. If they adopted hit and run tactics, entire portions of our country could be shut down. Sniper Rifles shoot a high powered bullet that is almost always fatal. They are designed for one thing- delivering powerful overkill with deadly precision. You don't need the kind of power and accuracy that can kill a man at five hundred yards for hunting rabbits or defending your house. We should also give commendations to France because many years ago they designated any firearm capable of shooting military ammunition as a military arm, illegal to posess without a special permit and unlawful to use for hunting. The 223, 308, 7mm mauser, 30-06, and 6.5x55 have no place in the hunting fields of France. Firearms shooting these calibers are military weapons only designed for killing PEOPLE and should be kept out of the hands of the general population. Because they have no hunting purpose, there is no reason for civilians to own them. Every state in the USA has hunting equipment rules that limit the caliber of firearm used to take game. They also limit the types of rifles, length, magazine capacity, etc. States should amend these hunting regulations to restrict the use of "sniper" rifles, specialty "sniper" cartridges, and "sniper" ammunition. Limits on weight, barrel length, bipods and tripods, thumbhole stocks and pistol grips, night vision type scopes, scopes of excessive magnification, super magnum and high velocity ammunition, and military slings should be imposed. They have no place in the hunting fields of America and hunting usage should not be used as an argument for civilians to own such firearms and weapons. There are more than ample hunting rifles, cartridges, and rounds of ammunition to choose from without them. Let us hope that in a safer, saner America, we will succeed in our efforts to restrict the deadly spread of long distance murder rifles. |
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From past polls about 40% of ARFCOM care more for animals than humans. There are a lot of anti-hunters here. Past polls about what? How much people love animals? He's crying about a poll that proposed the question: Which would you rescue from a burning building, your own pet or a complete stranger? Or something to that effect. No it was "what do you have more compassion for, a lobster, turkey, duck or homeless person". We had threads running on a turkey shoot, a duck that got shot and something about lobsters feeling pain. So I posed the question and as I recall about 60% picked human. Sad really. |
