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5/2/2006 11:18:57 PM EDT
I was trained to use a "DON'T MOVE!" command and shoot if the guy moved. Or to not verbalize at all, if a lethal threat clearly exists. I note a lot of people say that they have or would vocalize under most or all circumstances.

Your thoughts?
5/2/2006 11:31:29 PM EDT
[#1]
Context please?
5/2/2006 11:33:55 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Context please?



I don't want to give context, because then the answer only fits in that context. I was looking more for criteria.
5/2/2006 11:36:39 PM EDT
[#3]
Well, if I was gonna take somebody hostage...

I'd probably say...

"DON'T MOVE OR I'LL SMOKE YOUR F*cKING ASS!!!"

5/2/2006 11:50:30 PM EDT
[#4]
5/3/2006 8:07:09 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
I was trained to use a "DON'T MOVE!" command and shoot if the guy moved. Or to not verbalize at all, if a lethal threat clearly exists. I note a lot of people say that they have or would vocalize under most or all circumstances.

Your thoughts?



+1. John Farnam teaches this as "tape loops", i.e. your vocal behavior is as pre-programmed and reflexive as your physical behavior. You must train with this to become proficient. One typical progression of commands is "DON'T MOVE...DROP YOUR WEAPON...SHOW ME YOUR HANDS!"

Training with this is difficult without good range staff to play act against. All it does is slow you down and make people giggle at you when you are at an IDPA match. But if you can set up a range with targets equipped with painted or plastic weapons and a good RO then you can really do something. You must have some no-shoot scenarios. Shoot targets that are immediately threatening. Challenge targets that are not (no obvious or visible weapons, or weapons pointed in a non-threatening manner). Your RO must answer the challenges ("He's pointing the gun!" or "OK, man, I give up!", etc.)

This is also where procedural/decision making training systems like FATS or CAPS really come into play. FoF training can be good for this, too, but your opposing force can't just start blasting away all the time.

You know your vocal behavior is as reflexive as your shooting when you shoot and yell simultaneously sometimes (DON'T!--BLAM!--MOVE!), which is always good for a giggle, but it is indicative of good training (assuming it was the right choice!)

aa
5/3/2006 8:10:02 AM EDT
[#6]
I was under the impression that negative commands (Don't move!) were to be avoided in super-high stress situations.

Also, multiple word commands are just as bad.
5/3/2006 8:10:41 AM EDT
[#7]
It is very important to vocalize your commands. Especially when court time comes around.
5/3/2006 8:12:10 AM EDT
[#8]
I just scream "Tango Down!" a lot.
5/3/2006 8:13:15 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
It is very important to vocalize your commands. Especially when court time comes around.


"I'M GONNA WAX YOU, YOU FUCKING FAGGOT!"

Yup, I can see how the court would be interested in that.

5/3/2006 8:16:14 AM EDT
[#10]
AVAST ME HEARTY! finished with a loud  YARRR!
5/3/2006 8:17:26 AM EDT
[#11]
If the situation is bad enough to pull my weapon, I'm going to let my 1911 do the talking.
5/3/2006 8:19:03 AM EDT
[#12]
Does "You fucked up now" count?
5/3/2006 8:19:11 AM EDT
[#13]
"Please Sir! Put down the knife"

Wether he has a knife or not, you will be surprised how many people will say he did.  They will also say the shooter was polite.  In my CCW training this was covered and proved very effective when it came to legal defense time.  
5/3/2006 8:19:27 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I was trained to use a "DON'T MOVE!" command and shoot if the guy moved. Or to not verbalize at all, if a lethal threat clearly exists. I note a lot of people say that they have or would vocalize under most or all circumstances.

Your thoughts?



+1. John Farnam teaches this as "tape loops", i.e. your vocal behavior is as pre-programmed and reflexive as your physical behavior. You must train with this to become proficient. One typical progression of commands is "DON'T MOVE...DROP YOUR WEAPON...SHOW ME YOUR HANDS!"

Training with this is difficult without good range staff to play act against. All it does is slow you down and make people giggle at you when you are at an IDPA match. But if you can set up a range with targets equipped with painted or plastic weapons and a good RO then you can really do something. You must have some no-shoot scenarios. Shoot targets that are immediately threatening. Challenge targets that are not (no obvious or visible weapons, or weapons pointed in a non-threatening manner). Your RO must answer the challenges ("He's pointing the gun!" or "OK, man, I give up!", etc.)

This is also where procedural/decision making training systems like FATS or CAPS really come into play. FoF training can be good for this, too, but your opposing force can't just start blasting away all the time.

You know your vocal behavior is as reflexive as your shooting when you shoot and yell simultaneously sometimes (DON'T!--BLAM!--MOVE!), which is always good for a giggle, but it is indicative of good training (assuming it was the right choice!)

aa



+1...

Learned the same stuff at Oregon Firearms Academy. "Train hard, fight easy"
5/3/2006 8:24:11 AM EDT
[#15]
Just scream at the top of your lungs:

He's coming right for us!!

And then blow him away.
5/3/2006 8:28:38 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Just scream at the top of your lungs:

He's coming right for us!!

And then blow him away.